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yankeessuck123
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Sun Jan 20 21:20:27
What an amazing game.

And now, at 4:22am, I can go to bed :P
hood
Member
Sun Jan 20 22:55:53
Cheating buys a lot
Dukhat
Member
Sun Jan 20 22:59:44
Good game but what a horrible horse-shit call. And I wanted the Saints to lose too because I hate Payton and I want the Packers to have a higher draft pick.

This shit makes me think the NFL is corrupt as fuck.

It's almost enough for me to root for the Patriots in the Super Bowl but I'll probably just play video games instead of watching.
hood
Member
Sun Jan 20 23:43:48
^ retard didn't even realize this was a Patriots thread.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Jan 21 00:02:19
Who cares, they were both important games played one after another.

You also referenced cheating. The closest thing to that was the no-call PI in the Saints game. Nothing came close in the patriots game.
hood
Member
Mon Jan 21 00:26:30
You're depressingly stupid.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Jan 21 01:02:18
You're depressingly helpless. How's trying to get the cuckservatives on this board to accept reality? You've accomplished just as much as I have ruthlessly insulting them.

So congrats on being the liberal Hot Rod in terms of being useless.
yankeessuck123
Member
Mon Jan 21 03:22:14
Dukhat, go be an asshole somewhere else.

It'll be great seeing another Patriots-Rams Super Bowl. Kind of bringing Brady's career full circle, since the Patriots dynasty began with beating the Rams.

And the Boston-LA aspect is just another added bonus.
murder
Member
Mon Jan 21 06:56:31

Congratulations to the Patriot fans on this board ... again.

Come next season, the Patriots dynasty will be old enough to vote.

hood
Member
Mon Jan 21 07:28:52
"Kind of bringing Brady's career full circle"

I'm willing to tolerate a Patriots win if Brady pulls an Elway/Manning and retires on a high note. The constant media bj he gets is tiresome.
yankeessuck123
Member
Mon Jan 21 07:47:31
Need one more year at least, because he has no heir apparent. Need a newbie to carry the clipboard and learn all there is to learn from the GOAT.
patom
Member
Mon Jan 21 08:34:27
Nick Foles?

Wouldn't surprise me if Bill, Tom and Gronk don't all retire.

They have had an amazing run. One that will be legendary.
yankeessuck123
Member
Mon Jan 21 08:42:59
It's Gronk I'm really worried about. He's still good, but he's lost a step and a half.

Belichick is so good about trading away great players a year before they shit the bed, and he tried to dump Gronk last offseason. He might be about cooked.
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Jan 21 09:52:27
Brady and Belichick are stone cold slayers. Its reached the point where they dont just have the best individual playoff stats... they now have better stats than any other franchise over its entire history.
Rugian
Member
Mon Jan 21 10:09:49
"Need a newbie to carry the clipboard and learn all there is to learn from the GOAT."

Wasn't that what Garoppolo was for?
hood
Member
Mon Jan 21 10:15:42
The woman you call Tom Brady threw a hissy fit to ownership and got Garoppolo exiled to San Fran.
Rugian
Member
Mon Jan 21 10:19:16
Hard to argue that. Which is why I'm rather pessimistic that we'll be able to cultivate next generation talent while Tom "I can do this for at least five more years" Brady continues to have Kraft's ear.
Rugian
Member
Mon Jan 21 10:20:40
Although in Garoppolo's case, we rather dodged a bullet there. Nice torn ACL, stupid.
yankeessuck123
Member
Mon Jan 21 10:25:24
Well yeah, but then Brady decided he wasn't done. SO they need a new newbie to carry the clipboard.
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Jan 21 10:35:39
Brady lasted too long and jimmy g was getting too ready to wait.

Whatever. In hindsight... with brady slaying his way to another SB chance and jimmy g at home, it wasnt a bad outcome
Wrath of Orion
Member
Mon Jan 21 10:57:58
Really wanted KC to win, but at least both games were good and fun to watch. Superbowl should be just as enjoyable.
patom
Member
Mon Jan 21 13:27:16
""I can do this for at least five more years" Brady continues to have Kraft's ear."

So how many QB's of any age are out performing Brady at this time?
Forwyn
Member
Mon Jan 21 13:31:32
Not that I care between KC/NE, but it's nice to see NFL's OT rules getting universally shit on again.
hood
Member
Mon Jan 21 13:53:05
"So how many QB's of any age are out performing Brady at this time?"

This year? Like 5-10.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Mon Jan 21 14:24:32
"it's nice to see NFL's OT rules getting universally shit on again."

One of the few times we'll ever agree on anything. The NFL OT rules are just about the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in sports. I was baffled when they implemented them.
hood
Member
Mon Jan 21 14:47:17
They were at least an improvement over the first points at all rules. Incrementally less shitty doesn't mean not shitty, though.
kargen
Member
Mon Jan 21 15:45:00
I've played a variety of sports at different levels and every coach in every sport at every level has at some point and time said do not put yourself in a position where the officials can determine the outcome of the game.
It sucks that a bad call could have an influence on the game but it wasn't the only bad call. Most are also assuming the Saints automatically win the game if the call had been made. Extremely good chance they would have won but no 100% guarantee, blocked field goals do happen.

I think the bad officiating in the KC/NE game influenced the outcome at least as much as the one call in the LA/NO game and maybe more so. Bad calls kept NE drives alive a couple of times.
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Jan 21 15:49:20
Lol what are you smoking kargen. The uncalled pick play and the uncalled kelce push off gave the chiefs 2 free touchdowns.
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Jan 21 15:50:55
The bs roughing the passer call made up for part of, but not all of, the refs pro-kc mistakes.
patom
Member
Mon Jan 21 16:00:54
Hood, 5-10 QB's better than Brady this year. And yet where are they or their teams?
Forwyn
Member
Mon Jan 21 16:05:26
"They were at least an improvement over the first points at all rules. Incrementally less shitty doesn't mean not shitty, though."

100%. Trotting down to FG range and tucking away the win is abysmal.

It's definitely better, but still sports a 60% win rate for whoever wins the flip.
obaminated
Member
Mon Jan 21 16:18:16
No idea why they refuse to adopt NCAA football OT rules which are infinitely more exciting to watch and are also fair.
hood
Member
Mon Jan 21 16:33:13
"No idea why they refuse to adopt NCAA football OT rules which are infinitely more exciting to watch and are also fair."

This.


"Hood, 5-10 QB's better than Brady this year. And yet where are they or their teams?"

I didn't realize Brady blocked for the QB, ran routes, caught passes, ran the ball, or played any sort of defense whatsoever. It's almost like football is a team sport wherein a better team might beat a team with a better player.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Mon Jan 21 16:40:23
Yeah, the ones they replaced were worse. But in a way, that's even more baffling. They went to the effort to alter the rules (and let's face it, at that level a lot of people were involved, tons of meetings and time, etc.) and came up with a system that's only a little less flawed. Even worse is that, as you say, those rules are *still* there.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Mon Jan 21 16:46:56
The NE-KC game is probably the ultimate example of the faulty rules.

NE wins the flip and you have a good shot of one of the most dynamic, exciting young QB's in history never getting to touch the ball in OT.

KC wins the flip and you have a good shot of the ultimate end-of-the-game-drive QB never getting to touch the ball in OT.

It's just lose-lose for the NFL no matter how you slice it.
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Jan 21 17:43:52
"Hood, 5-10 QB's better than Brady this year. And yet where are they or their teams? "

Its possible brady was doing the veteran/arrogant/smart save-your-effort-for-the-playoffs thing. At least i hope so!
murder
Member
Mon Jan 21 22:03:45

"I didn't realize Brady blocked for the QB, ran routes, caught passes, ran the ball, or played any sort of defense whatsoever."

How many of the runners, receivers, blockers, and defenders in New England are top players at their positions?

The Patriots had 2 players voted to the Pro Bowl on their roster.

In fact the most impressive thing about the Belichick/Brady dynasty is how often they've gotten to and won the Super Bowl with a roster full of average talent.

murder
Member
Mon Jan 21 22:11:17

"Its possible brady was doing the veteran/arrogant/smart save-your-effort-for-the-playoffs thing. At least i hope so!"

His receivers are trash. Even Gronk is a broken down nag. That's the thing about great QBs, they make average receivers good, and marginal receivers average.

hood
Member
Tue Jan 22 07:30:08
"How many of the runners, receivers, blockers, and defenders in New England are top players at their positions?"

That's my point. NE's sum talent makes up for not having superstars.


"In fact the most impressive thing about the Belichick/Brady dynasty is how often they've gotten to and won the Super Bowl with a roster full of average talent."

The most impressive thing is that they've had the best coach ever (if we look purely at winning games; coaching tree leaves Billy B a little lacking) and arguably the best general manager ever. The Patriots win because they evaluate talent so well and are able to find uses for what other teams considers cast offs. Once they identify that talent, their unrivaled coaching builds up that player's effectiveness.

Their team talent is unrivaled. Their individual talent becomes fairly irrelevant. There's a reason they still went 11-5 the year Brady was out. Brady is great, but he has the benefit of Belichick behind him. And Brady did not play like a top 5 QB this year.
murder
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Tue Jan 22 08:52:53

"That's my point. NE's sum talent makes up for not having superstars."

If that was your point, your point is wrong. The Patriots aren't a bunch of above average types making up for the lack of stars ... they are mediocre talent coached to winning mostly through smoke and mirrors and Brady's brilliance.

I used to be a Steelers fan, and when we won, our team was loaded with talent. LOADED!

The same goes for the Cowboys eras, and the 49ers dynasty. Even most of the teams that only won once or twice were stacked with talent.

What Belichick/Brady are doing year after year is not normal.
murder
Member
Tue Jan 22 09:04:48

We agree on the brilliance of Belichick, but you seriously underestimate Brady. Yeah he's nearing the end, but all those guy putting up huge numbers still can't beat him in the playoffs.
murder
Member
Tue Jan 22 09:07:51

Let me put it this way, if Brady and Mahomes had switched receiving corps, things would have gotten ugly.

hood
Member
Tue Jan 22 09:17:28
You may have your opinion, but it's going to be wrong. Blinding yourself to it is your choice.

Yeah, they didn't have any talent. That's why Dion Lewis signed a contract for $20 mil at rb. That's why Malcolm Butler is one of the highest paid CBs in the league. That's why Chandler Jones is a consistent name at the top of the sack leaderboard. Why Jamie Collins garnered a trade despite being in his way out anyway.

Oh, this year? Brown on the d line. McCourty in the secondary. Stephon Gilmore, one of the highest paid CBs in the league (and one of the best performing). Donta Hightower as a great run stuffer. Patrick Chung on the back end. The best slot in football in Edelman. A great rookie rb in Michel. And even hobbled Gronk is a top 5 tight end. And we shouldn't underestimate James White as a receiving threat from the backfield.

Patriots have plenty of talent. They just don't have the name recognition of a Julio Jones or Leveon Bell or Khalil Mack to go next to Tom Brady. Don't mistake the lack of name recognition for a lack of talent.

And yes, it's actually painful for me to talk about the Patriots roster. Fuck you, Bostards.
hood
Member
Tue Jan 22 09:23:22
"you seriously underestimate Brady."

By saying he's not played as well this year compared to previous years? No, that is simple fact. It is apparent to anyone who watches football. If you somehow interpret this to mean that Brady isn't capable of putting up elite games at all, well I can't fix retarded. I can only correct your stupid statements.


"Let me put it this way, if Brady and Mahomes had switched receiving corps, things would have gotten ugly."

Wat. The Chiefs were 1 Sammy Watkins above the Patriots in pure receivers. Kelce ~ Gronk. Cheetah ~ Edelman. Everyone else is fungable. The Patriots, however, clearly have the superior running backs in the pass game, with both White and Michel better than anything the Chiefs have.
murder
Member
Tue Jan 22 10:53:17

"Wat. The Chiefs were 1 Sammy Watkins above the Patriots in pure receivers. Kelce ~ Gronk. Cheetah ~ Edelman."

What year is this???

Canadian
Member
Mon Jan 28 22:38:29
As a regular Patricheats hater, the above assessments by hood are not, in an overall sense, incorrect. New England has gotten some hilariously BS reffing calls over the years in their favour, and aided by some equally hilariously boneheaded decisions by opposing coaches (an example being Carroll not running Lynch from the 1 in Superbowl 49), but you need something other than reffing and luck to keep a dynasty going for as long as they have.
smart dude
Member
Tue Jan 29 00:07:24
"you need something other than reffing and luck to keep a dynasty going for as long as they have"

Yeah, it's called cheating.
Sam Adams
Member
Tue Jan 29 13:06:42
Being smarter and more disciplined than your coach isnt cheating.
Dukhat
Member
Tue Jan 29 14:43:25
We all like to live in an idyllic world where every successful person is a Bill Gates that earned their way to the top (with a little help from white privelege) and every evil successful person basically stole it (like Trump).

But there are plenty of people in between that also had a good work ethic and vision and were also personally reprehensible and evil. Like all the medical students who cheat just enough to get their specialty but know when to stop cheating when the risk gets too high. Or like Steve Jobs who basically stole from his friends and colleagues while also actually pushing forward technology as well.

The Patriots belong in the Steve Jobs category. Universally admired and hated for mostly the same reasons.

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