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Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Jan 24 01:51:53
This paper examines the joint evolution of emigration and individualism in Scan- dinavia during the Age of Mass Migration (1850-1920). A long-standing hypothesis holds that people of a stronger individualistic mindset are more likely to migrate as they suffer lower costs of abandoning existing social networks. Building on this hypothesis, I propose a theory of cultural change where migrant self-selection gener- ates a relative push away from individualism, and towards collectivism, in migrant- sending locations through a combination of initial distributional effects and channels of intergenerational cultural transmission. Due to the interdependent relationship between emigration and individualism, emigration is furthermore associated with cultural convergence across subnational locations. I combine various sources of em- pirical data, including historical population census records and passenger lists of emigrants, and test the relevant elements of the proposed theory at the individual and subnational district level, and in the short and long run. Together, the empirical results suggest that individualists were more likely to migrate than collectivists, and that the Scandinavian countries would have been considerably more individualistic and culturally diverse, had emigration not taken place.

http://ann...ads/2019/01/thosewhostayed.pdf

Empirical data for why people like me are Swedens best hope :-)
jergul
large member
Thu Jan 24 05:45:31
The rugged individualists the migrated to relatives in self-supporting Scandinavian communities that thrived in relative isolation for decades before finally assimilating somewhat?

You still live in the same town as your parents and uncles, right?

"I measure individualism by the degree of uncommonness of first names among children"

That is the metric. Lulz.
jergul
large member
Thu Jan 24 05:46:11
You really should read more than the first paragraph of papers you find.

jergul
large member
Thu Jan 24 06:01:54
Rugged individualist names:

BRAYLON, DEANDRE, DESHAUN, KALISHA, LAKEISHA.

Lets play guess the race.

What race is most individualistic by the metric used?
Dukhat
Member
Thu Jan 24 10:05:58
Nimazto is a typoical drug-abusing cuckservative. He has no attention span, no ability to juggle multiple variables at once, and no empathy. Most of all; he has this incredibly shallow world-view that he constantly seeks to validate by scouring incredibly low quality internet websites.

A sad, pathetic, and obliging peasant in the hierarchy of the far right.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Jan 24 12:20:00
The paper writes extensively about the metric, reviewing other psychology literature and validating naming patterns as good measure. Sucks to be dumb goat herder.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Jan 24 12:21:46
”He has no attention span, no ability to juggle multiple variables”

This one didn’t even read the absract jergul he read your post, atleast your read a few pages. So there is that going for you, you are not as dumb as dickhat.
jergul
large member
Thu Jan 24 12:26:32
Mahmoud
Its a terrible, terrible metric.
jergul
large member
Thu Jan 24 12:28:33
Zurvan
I would not use "reading documents" as a placeholder for intelligence if I were you. You are not very good at making is past the summary of links you post.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Jan 24 12:34:31
Research is subject to change, cautions reading in to much bla bla bla and so on.

Nothing earth shattering about people willing to cut ties and start new lives being more individualistic, self-selection applies across all human domains, freedom, ability and ease of movement facilitates this pattern. My own name is popular among Iranian immigrants, a name that became popular in the wake of the revolution, being an Iranian name when other were naming their kids, Ali, Hussein and Muhammad that are of Arab/Islamic origin. My sisters name is very uncommon in Iran and Turkish in origin. Liberal arts American schooled father etc. very strong willed mother. My own resistance towards Swedish conformist social democracy. Anecdotally I confirm and concure :-)
jergul
large member
Thu Jan 24 12:34:37
Ramin
The "guess the race" point is serious. It is well-known that African-American has extremely creative given name traditions.

Is that ethnic group the most individualistic in your opinion?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Jan 24 12:36:50
And it isn’t like I don’t have family and relatives in Japan, Brazil, America, Spain, UK, Canada. More anecdotal evidence :-)
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Jan 24 12:39:59
Bla bla bla. You are welcome to have your hypothesis put on paper support it with data and have it peer reviewed and published. I am not interested in the rantings of a goat herder.
jergul
large member
Thu Jan 24 12:44:24
So your theory on refugees is that they have trouble assimilating because they are highly individualistic and resist conforming to majority culture.

An equally valid theory would be that any diaspora will conform as closely as possible to an imagined idea of what their original culture is. For example by digging around and finding real Persian or Swedish names.

A Swedish individualist would call his son Olof for example, because it is a historical Swedish name untainted by foreign cultures (Olof of course being an extremely common name).
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Jan 24 12:44:56
To think of it my half sisters name, is also very is common. I have not even heard anyone else with that name. Obviously I picked a name for my son, that while 100% persian in origin not a first name at all and very uncommon even as a sir name.

Bask in the glory of my rugged individualism jergul.
jergul
large member
Thu Jan 24 12:47:15
Nimi
Its almost like there was a revolution in Iran and your family belong to a social-economic class that had the opportunity to flee the country to avoid having to change.

The metric and your anecdotes are horrible.

Even your fixation on goats show how bound you are to an idea of Persia.

Conformist much?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Jan 24 12:49:58
Jergul
There are more Iranians in Sweden, that there are sami people in the world. How does that make you feel?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Jan 24 12:52:14
That would be wrong my dear jergul, my father was studying in the USA in the early 70’s came back to tale vare of some business and was intending to go back, he was leaving already under the Shah. The revolution and that whole embassy thing, changed the destination.
jergul
large member
Thu Jan 24 13:29:13
It makes me feel good. Because I am not a virus.

Immigrating to America? How stunningly original and non-conformist.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Jan 24 13:37:05
That is the first scientifically accurate thing you have said! Good job jergul, you are NOT a virus. *clap clap*.

I further applaud you and your people volunteering to reduce the carbon footprint and reduce the world population by going extinct. You are the wokest people of them all. You can die as a happy non virus lifeform. Grats.
jergul
large member
Thu Jan 24 14:27:13
Nimi
Voluntary extinction is caused almost exclusively by inbreeding. This is well-established.

Your viral adoration has a solid cultural component. Islam must profligate. Inshallah.

100 thousand is a good natural state population that is indefinitely sustainable. In Norway the path towards sustainability began with the Spanish influenza wreaking havoc in a cohort of would be mothers. So we are on our 5th of 12 generations towards sustainable numbers (babyboomers being the exception to this rule. I have accounted for it).

In Iran? You will begin on that path any day now.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Jan 24 15:55:34
I really don't care what method you have chosen for your own undoing. Just do it with dignity.
jergul
large member
Thu Jan 24 16:21:10
Nimi
The only human future is one with 200 million people on the planet in 400 years.

Or much, much less than that if we follow your mindset instead of natural birthrates that we see today in civilized countries.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Jan 24 16:28:01
My mindset is that my lineage have shown more resiliance and adaptibility to changing circumstances and insurmountable odds over millenias than really any other tribe (matched only by Greeks). That whatever the future has in store, we are better equipped to deal with it than you are. You are going extinct in one of the most peaceful and quiet areas in the world. That is all.
jergul
large member
Thu Jan 24 16:48:05
A lineage that with absolute certainly leads back to Gjengis Khan.

200-300 thousand is not extinction. It is the evolutionary norm. For Iran that number would be around 5 million (or a bit less if we discount sponging off the silk road).

You really should try to break away with that viral mindset. Most population is not best. Thinking so is very a 19th century mindset.
Nekran
Member
Thu Jan 24 17:02:20
Hooray for inane tribalism!
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Jan 24 17:24:09
Jergul
No.

Nekran
In my defence, he started it when he denegrated my Aryan ancestors, and then questioned my loyalty to my Swedish cousins, and then threatned to report me to SÄPO and have me deported. Quite insane, so I just went with it. We are a proud and noble people, I will be damned if a let some arctic goat herder sully our legacy.
jergul
large member
Fri Jan 25 00:44:39
Nimi
Yes.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Jan 28 04:19:12
No, as in the Mongol’s genetic influence is insignificant beyond the central plains east of the Iranian plateau.

No, as in no reliable spource puts sami population above 100k. Language being the primary vessel for a culture, all your languages are slowly going extinct.

Yes, a large population is good for maintaining and innovating a culture to make sure it survives. First rule of success, survive.
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