Utopia Talk / Politics / Snowflake meltdown begins?

Sam Adams Member	Fri Jan 25 09:35:20 New york, the worlds most important airspace, is starting delays because whiny air traffic controllers are mad because the shutdown has delayed their paychecks? https://www.fly.faa.gov/ois/
murder Member	Fri Jan 25 09:38:13 Are you volunteering to work without pay? :o)
murder Member	Fri Jan 25 09:38:37 http://www.fly.faa.gov/ois/
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jan 25 09:44:11 Without pay? They have delayed and still guranteed pay. Huge difference.
hood Member	Fri Jan 25 10:03:50 Undelivered future paychecks don't pay today's bills.
Paramount Member	Fri Jan 25 10:24:46 How many months can u survive without getting paid?
murder Member	Fri Jan 25 11:02:15 They can take out loans! And next month they can take out another loan to repay this month's loan. ;o)
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jan 25 11:02:56 About 30. My salary is similar to mid career atc. Like really... middle or upper middle class has no excuse at all for all this whining... their first delayed paycheck was 2 weeks ago! If you are that bad at math that you cant go a few weeks without a paycheck on a 150k per year salary should you be controlling planes at all?
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 25 11:05:52 murder Member Fri Jan 25 11:02:15 "They can take out loans! And next month they can take out another loan to repay this month's loan. ;o)" Well if the Fed would quit it with their irresponsible rate hikes, the interest on those loans would be much more reasonable.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jan 25 11:47:19 Atlanta - worlds busiest airport - now too. The whining from these fuckers is off the chart!
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jan 25 12:10:58 And the really retarded thing is that if atc wasnt a bunch of dweebs, they would hit DC airports and only DC airports, not fucking with ordinary citizens.
hood Member	Fri Jan 25 12:20:46 Because only people in DC aren't getting paid?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 25 13:17:20 Trump caving at the moment
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 25 13:19:42 This is 100% on Pelosi and Schumer at this point. Fuck those traitors so much
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 25 13:22:40 Senate passed spending bill December, House passed it in January... it was entirely on Trump Trump was the ONLY person requiring wall funding in bill & the pathetic R's bowed down to their supreme leader idiot child
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 25 13:26:09 Trump doing his best to pretend he didn't fail completely in his speech at the moment you can really see how tiny his fingers are when he puts his hand up...
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 25 13:27:04 The president has the right to veto budgets, tw. It's the Democrats who have been practicing scorched earth tactics since Decemeber.
obaminated Member	Fri Jan 25 13:30:38 pelosi and schumer were willing to put millions of people into bankruptcy out of political spite. fucking atrocious.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 25 13:33:46 they could override his veto, Senate vote was unanimous (or near unanimous) & that's R majority how is it on Dems when it was Trump with the requirement? Plus it was after being devastated in the midterms... why should Dems give in to the LOSER (historically huge margin of victory of D over R)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 25 13:36:59 Trump says if they don't give him his wall in 3 weeks, he'll shut down again or do his national emergency nonsense so total failure on Trump... a meaningless dictatorial terrorist shut down for nothing
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 25 13:38:21 "how is it on Dems when it was Trump with the requirement?" Politics is about give and take. To absolutely refuse to negotiate over a 0.1% budget item is the height of irresponsibility and proof that Democrats are totally incapable of governing. "Plus it was after being devastated in the midterms... why should Dems give in to the LOSER" So Trump lost the right to ever demand anything ever again, because the opposition party took the House? Someone really should have told Obama that right years ago then.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 25 13:40:44 And now we have Trump clearly being the adult in the room...which tw immediately mocks him for. Too predictable.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 25 13:41:09 he lost the right (or never had the right) to shut down the government over a demand plus Trump had no give and take, it was 5.7 billion or bust
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 25 13:41:42 Trump caving on something he never should have done is not 'being the adult'
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 25 13:45:36 and he likely caved as he was losing... in public polling, plus the R Senate just voted yesterday w/ more votes for the D bill than the R bill so more failure and i imagine the actual adults still had to put in a lot of effort to twist his petty child arm to finally do the right thing
obaminated Member	Fri Jan 25 13:46:27 "he lost the right (or never had the right) to shut down the government over a demand " What? Do you understand how the government works? The shutdown was entirely due to the democrats not willing to concede anything to trump because their base are fanatics and to do so would destroy them in their next primaries. that is all this was, TW. It was professional politicians on the democrats side protecting themselves and ignoring the fact that an entire branch of the US military went without pay.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 25 13:46:27 "he lost the right (or never had the right) to shut down the government over a demand" Says who? "plus Trump had no give and take, it was 5.7 billion or bust" Blatantly false. Unfortunately the majority of people are stupid and will eat up the garbage that CNN/WaPo/HuffPo tell them...but those 800,000 workers who are now going to get a paycheck should be thanking Trump right about now.
hood Member	Fri Jan 25 13:49:19 "This is 100% on Pelosi and Schumer" No. You are delusional. "pelosi and schumer" Again, no. You are also delusional. Please note, Rs were not pushing back on the lack of wall funding, just Trump was. Bu bu bu but... "The president has the right to veto budgets" Yes he does. It seems you recognize that he is the issue, but cannot wrap your mind around it so you some blame elsewhere. This was, is, and always will be Trump's shutdown. It's not like the entire or majority of Congressional Rs were pushing this. Trump created the road block. It is Trump's shutdown. Quit twisting your flakey vaginas in a knot over this and girl the fuck up.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 25 13:53:35 I see. So when a Democrat is President and the Republicans are in control of the House, it's the Republicans who are to blame for a shutdown. If Democrats control the House and Trump is president, its the president's fault. Thanks for enlightening me.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 25 13:53:35 I see. So when a Democrat is President and the Republicans are in control of the House, it's the Republicans who are to blame for a shutdown. If Democrats control the House and Trump is president, its the president's fault. Thanks for enlightening me.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 25 13:55:01 “I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck. … I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it.” ~Trump
hood Member	Fri Jan 25 13:56:29 Again, retarded.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 25 13:57:23 ^not a cover for the Democrats to completely abdicate their responsibility to govern. I guess even Trump underestimated how willing Pelosi and Schumer would be to screw over 800,000 Americans just to stick it to Trump.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 25 13:58:13 I'll take no lectures from a fucking Christ-killer over how this country should be run.
Forwyn Member	Fri Jan 25 14:02:00 The same people shedding crocodile tears over gubmint workers are the ones who called Repubs obstructionist for not immediately caving to Obama
hood Member	Fri Jan 25 14:09:30 "I'll take no lectures from a fucking Christ-killer over how this country should be run." It's ok, we weren't asking for your input anyway. We got this.
obaminated Member	Fri Jan 25 14:09:39 this really isn't a conversation worth having. as i said, i have a family member hurt by this. they aren't an idiot. they graduated from a prominent college. and they are well aware that this is the first time the government has shut down without them getting a paycheck to cover it prior to it happening. this is on the democrats. it isnt up for debate.
TJ Member	Fri Jan 25 14:12:17 Trump admitted he'd take blame with pride. It was one of the most irresponsible statements he could have made concerning a partial shutdown. A national emergency in on the Hill downside.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 25 14:32:08 a) the Senate & House passed the same spending bill (one Trump said he'd sign then changed mind after team Ann Coulter chimed in) b) Trump claimed ownership of shut down there is no way this wasn't entirely on Trump
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 25 14:33:37 "Good news for George Herbert Walker Bush: As of today, he is no longer the biggest wimp ever to serve as President of the United States." ~Ann Coulter poor lil baby Trump
murder Member	Fri Jan 25 15:01:58 Trump is going to lose his fucking mind. He can't take this kind of ridicule, and MAGAts are jumping ship all over the place. He's going to declare a national emergency, misappropriate federal funds, and get himself impeached. :o)
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Jan 26 10:38:09 “I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck. … I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it.” This was amazing, considering how the whole strategy to win a govt shudown has always been to pin the ownesrship of it to your opponents, since the first Gingrich Clinton shutdowns. Whoever the public blamed for the shutdown more, that party lost. Enter Donald, with this new bold strategy of claiming owneship. Gets punched in the face and caves. So, until the next crisis, which should arrive shortly, just as founders intended
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