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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 14 14:30:22
dickless dickbag McConnell just announced Trump will sign the spending bill thus the worthless powerless subservient Senate will now vote on it as they have permission from their dear leader / idiot child

and Mitch announced Trump will declare a national emergency for his big beautiful wall
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 14 14:31:27
not related at all... Michael Avenatti found a pee tape
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 14 14:43:21
also not related at all to either thing...

fuck you Trump & your administration's new tax forms... it's a whole new form (Schedule 5) just to list your estimated tax payments??? it used to be one line on the 1040

i think i need more schedules now than before
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Thu Feb 14 14:56:11
civil war?
NeverWoods
Member
Thu Feb 14 14:59:23
so fucking childish.
NeverWoods
Member
Thu Feb 14 15:02:17
Who does the wall even stop?
Most of all illegal immigrants are people that overstayed VISA's.

So what does a will even do but the eat up resources for no good?
hood
Member
Thu Feb 14 15:11:07
Yet the same people will bitch about the $500,000 for "shrimp on treadmills." Don't you ask about the more pointless and 40+x more expensive wall.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 14 15:11:10
it gives Trump something else to put his name on


(also confirmed my 1040 is now 5 pages instead of 2, as they just shoves shit onto new schedules)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 14 15:39:31
"Repubs must not allow Pres Obama to subvert the Constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ Congress."
~Trump
http://www...rump/status/535441553079431168


you could really make a book out of all his hypocrisy
Rugian
Member
Thu Feb 14 15:45:17
For the people who haven't started their taxes yet and may not be familiar with Schedule 5, this is the "monstrosity" that tw is making a fuss about:

http://www...g=AOvVaw3MTaE02DYqrcUid7GNzVJG

My God, its positively byzantine.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 14 15:50:28
yes, it's retarded

they took sections and just moved them to new pages

there is no simplification
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 14 15:51:16
i need schedules 1, 4 & 5 now to reassemble the original 1040

plus still need the same additional schedules as before
Rugian
Member
Thu Feb 14 15:59:21
There's just no pleasing some people
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 14 16:01:11
the base 1040 was 2 pages, it's still 2 pages just w/ less lines on them... they've gained nothing

take it to the extreme, one line per page... is that better or worse?
Rugian
Member
Thu Feb 14 16:01:44
Anyway, good on Trump for moving forward with the wall, although really his focus right now should be on purging the Justice Department wholesale (McCabe just flat out admitted that they wanted to overthrow the president in response to Comey's firing).
NeverWoods
Member
Thu Feb 14 16:02:30
US tax forms are ridiculously complicated.
NeverWoods
Member
Thu Feb 14 16:05:38
Rugian: Anyway, good on Trump for moving forward with the wall

Is this your feels again?
Why is the wall beneficial to the US?

There are more benefits to let people in economically than to keep them out. This is something you want as a growing economic country more immigration.

Most illegal immigrants are those that overstay visas, it would not lower the number of illegals either.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 14 16:09:00
they wanted to remove Trump from office as he was & remains unfit for office

wearing a wire to tape him suggests they expected him to incriminate himself not that they were in some way framing him
Rugian
Member
Thu Feb 14 16:09:20
Neverwoods,

Regardless of the merits of migration, illegal immigrants have no business being in this country whatsoever.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 14 16:10:51
also... should be 'fewer' in that 16:01:11 post

my apologies to Stannis
Rugian
Member
Thu Feb 14 16:13:53
Tw,

They went around soliciting Cabinet officials about possibly invoking the 25th Amendment.

Also wearing a wire to tape the president because he fired that guy you liked is extraordinarily inappropriate.

This is ISI-style shit. People in the FBI need to lose their jobs over this.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 14 16:17:00
they had grave concern about him... as they should have had & should continue to have... no indication of corrupt intent

he admitted on TV he fired Comey over the Russia investigation, he bragged right to Russians about it in his office, Comey had contemporaneous notes of inappropriate behavior of Trump, plus they had been investigating Russian tentacles into his campaign for quite some time (for which he was pro-Russia 100% of the time & remains so)
Paramount
Member
Thu Feb 14 16:19:01
”(McCabe just flat out admitted that they wanted to overthrow the president in response to Comey's firing).”

Free speech. You can’t punish people for it.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 14 16:26:17
"
NATIONAL EMERGENCY WON'T HELP. IT'S OVER IF HE SIGNS THIS BILL!

This spending bill will ensure that not a single mile of fence will be built. (Any sort of "wall" is directly prohibited.)

There's no coming back from this. No "emergency" or presidential powers will allow him to build the wall, ever, after he signs this bill. Trump has just agreed to fully open borders.

Trump is the American Merkel. But who cares about Germany? Trump just destroyed the U.S.A.
"
~ Ann Coulter


they better get that giant marker into Trump's tiny fingers quick before he sees
NeverWoods
Member
Thu Feb 14 16:27:53
"Regardless of the merits of migration, illegal immigrants have no business being in this country whatsoever."

Ok, fine fuck them and all. but how is wasting tons of resources on a wall going to solve that?
That is not good for anyone.
Paramount
Member
Thu Feb 14 16:30:45
It may be good for Israel if Trump lets Israeli companies supply the material and things.
kargen
Member
Thu Feb 14 17:39:00
We already have over thirty active national emergencies. One more isn't going to hurt.

That said I was hoping he wouldn't do it. I want to see the wall built but my dislike for executive orders wants to see it done in a different way.

I like the Ted Cruz idea of having El Chapo pay for the wall. Congress should run with that.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 14 21:22:17
and the Trumps can pay for climate change initiatives when they are put away
kargen
Member
Thu Feb 14 22:11:20
Hold on to that dream. We all know the Trumps aren't going anywhere but back to their tower or maybe a home on a golf course. Only question is will it be in 2021 or 2025.

And the Trump empire isn't near vast enough to pay for the initiatives the left is currently asking for. Need to add one or two digits to get close.
Paramount
Member
Fri Feb 15 00:52:05
I’m looking forward to when a Democratic president declares Global Warming a National Emergency.

Or the next time there is a mass shooting, the president can declare it a National Emergency and then change the gun laws.

This is going to be great :)
kargen
Member
Fri Feb 15 01:35:31
Can't change the gun laws. That takes a constitutional amendment. Supreme Court said so many times.

And President Obama already wasted more on green energy than what President Trump wants for the wall.

I'm hoping sometime soon people wake up and we get back to states rights mattering.
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 15 07:05:19
Tw,

There you go again, confusing treating Russia fairly with collusion.

On this premise, are we to assume that Obama was installed in office by Angela Merkel?

We're two years into the Russia investigation and still nothing has been found. Trump was entirely right to want to put the kibosh on it. And in any case, members of the bureaucracy trying to overthrow the newly-elected president because he made a decision they disagreed with is completely and unambiguously unacceptably behavior.
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 15 09:49:04
Ruggy
What does unacceptable even mean? Its behaviour. Either there is a price or there is no price to be paid.

Don't you follow your president at all?
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Feb 15 10:19:31
"Anyway, good on Trump for moving forward with the wall,"

"Regardless of the merits of migration, illegal immigrants have no business being in this country whatsoever."

And that's why we know you're full of shit. No version of that wall will do a thing for reducing illegal immigration or handle those illegal immigrants currently in the country. But yeah, facts and logic have never really been your strong suit.
CrownRoyal
Member
Fri Feb 15 10:30:16
Strict constitutionalists celebrate president appropriating money after Congress expressly refused. Something in the Article 1, blah blah.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 15 11:11:56
"Can't change the gun laws. That takes a constitutional amendment. Supreme Court said so many times. "

really? then why is 'they're gonna take your guns away!!!!!' used so often by R's?

==============

@Rugian

25th Amendment is a legal process to undertake, so nothing wrong w/ using it.

And this isn't just collusion, they suspected him of being a Russian agent (& we don't know what all evidence they had at the time or now for that matter). And the investigation has absolutely yielded plenty of reason to be suspicious of collusion... w/ Manafort's actions, the Trump Tower meeting, plus now we know all election long he was working on a Tower deal in Moscow.

Does anyone think Trump wouldn't put his own interests ahead of the country when he was doing all his Russia praise, & dismissing all their bad acts? (Cause it's been =proven- he does that when he publicly & privately went against our unanimous intel community conclusions to push Putin propaganda)

No one but Trump could've fucked up that Helsinki meeting so badly. He's never once supported any action against Russia. He's never once shown concern over the election interference even now that his efforts to convince Americans that Russia was innocent have been fairly well squelched. He doesn't care one bit about all the info Mueller uncovered on their activities, only smearing Mueller.

And sadly, his behavior toward Russia is only a minor part of why he is wholly unfit for office.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 15 11:29:39
...also he doesn't come off as a hard person to blackmail given minimally a playmate, a porn star, & a tabloid owner all had blackmail material on him, so still not ruling out a pee tape or other things given Russia actually TRIES to get blackmail material
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri Feb 15 11:29:51
#norussiancollusionbutwillstillkeepchannelingrachelmaddow
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 15 12:04:53
-i don't watch rachel maddow
-i'm not saying there was no russian collusion, but it's hardly the only issue at play here... as any sane person would recognize (see Helsinki alone... NO ONE supported Trump's behavior... and his lying about saying one word wrong doesn't change all the other words)

Trump (the American President) sided with Putin over the unanimous conclusions of our intel community... w/ ONLY Putin's word as his evidence... and tried to push it not only publicly himself, but to plant stories anonymously in news outlets to defend Russia... say that 1000 times or however many times it takes until it seems unbelievably inappropriate (just once should do it, but apparently doesn't)

...& it was not just in Helsinki he did it... & this was not over collusion, merely about them interfering at all... which involved hacking election systems & voter rolls, not just DNC & Podesta... something the American President should care about... & have a problem with... unlike the current wholly unfit one
Paramount
Member
Fri Feb 15 13:52:29
”"Can't change the gun laws. That takes a constitutional amendment. Supreme Court said so many times. "

really? then why is 'they're gonna take your guns away!!!!!' used so often by R's?”


Yeah, and does it really take a constitutional amendment to implement stricter gun laws?

If it is a national emergency, I’m sure a president can make stricter gun laws.
Paramount
Member
Fri Feb 15 13:59:31
A democratic president can just ban ammo but let you keep your guns. Lol.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 15 14:10:18
delusional unfit Trump inventing a lie in real time:

"When I came into office, I met right there in the Oval Office with President Obama. And I sat in those beautiful chairs, and we talked, it was supposed to be 15 minutes, as you know, it ended up being many times longer than that. And I said what's the biggest problem? He said by far, North Korea. I don't want to speak for him, but I believe he would've gone to war with North Korea. I think he was ready to go to war. In fact he told me he was so close to starting a big war with North Korea."

on video (0:20 - 1:00)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwBn_tfRQxY

-'Obama said North Korea biggest problem' (possibly true)
-'i think Obama would've gone to war' (made-up shit opinion)
-'in fact he said so' (totally unacceptable made-up shit declared as fact)

why would you say 'i think' then say 'in fact he said so'... an OBVIOUS lie... even if you didn't know that he lies about EVERY GODDAMN THING

#25thAmendmentNow
McKobb
Member
Fri Feb 15 15:41:13
Putin must be laughing his ass off.
TJ
Member
Fri Feb 15 15:54:46
The planet is in the process of government overthrows in order to establish the final one.

Social revolutions. People are either generally dense, no knowledge of history, willing participants with knowledge, or those with knowledge that have no defense. Take your pick. The four divided aren't equal.

The organization of most importance is the least important because it is unseen, but easily recognizable. The blind that will never see, yet has the ability of sight.

Unbound freedom is its own defeat. Ignorance isn't bliss and neither is knowledge, because the human race is easily distracted at all levels aside from a small minority in the 7.5 billion who will enslave all of you with patience. Power thrives to gain additional power.

I consider myself very fortunate to have been born in a time that will most likely not experience the total loss of reasonable freedom. The devil is in the details.

The foundation is crumbling and there is no fix for future generations.

When the seven stages are completed one government will prevail and it won't be Utopian. Power to the people will be totally relinquished due to a lack of due diligence by the masses. Societies are in chaos all thanks to blinded idiocy.

Full steam ahead with drama music! This is your utopia. A media of unleashed freedom.

The crisis is a world emergency and amendments powerless. Life is good until it's not...

The world is buried in delusions of grandeur and no bag of essentials will save you when shtf. Time is expiring.

Maybe I should be laughing. Careful with what you wish for..., this is a repeat on a worldwide stage.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 15 17:21:03
that seems very general... Trump is uniquely awful
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 15 17:28:19
Trump also said (about diverting military funds to build wall):

"We have certain funds being used at the discretion of generals, at the discretion of the military," Trump said. "Some of them haven't been allocated yet, and some of the generals think this is more important. I was speaking to a couple of them — they think this is far more important than what they were going to use it for. I said, 'What were you going to use it for?' I won't go into details, but it didn't sound too important to me."


now it's -possible- that conversation happened... but i know there's absolutely no requirement for it to have happened for him to -say- it happened (which is a big fucking problem)... personally, i would bet it didn't happen
kargen
Member
Fri Feb 15 18:36:58
"really? then why is 'they're gonna take your guns away!!!!!' used so often by R's?"

Both sides use the issue to distract us from the fact that they are not doing their jobs. They don't want to run on real issues so they constantly bring up the same few issues that have been for the most part settled for a long time now.
Abortion is used the same way. It keeps getting dragged back to the top as a distraction.
TJ
Member
Fri Feb 15 18:54:20
If you want to change government it is expedient to allow unbridled migration/immigration.
kargen
Member
Fri Feb 15 20:47:59
I've often advocated here and other places for a streamlined process for entering and staying in the US legally.
obaminated
Member
Fri Feb 15 21:25:44
the meltdown of TW when Trump flexes his muscle to the get the wall everyone wants, appeases me.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 15 21:33:34
I've barely been talking about the wall

Rugian brought up the McCabe revelations and then there's Trumps continual lying

do you believe Obama told Trump he was about to go to war with NK? (cause there's no way that happened)

do you believe past presidents told Trump they wished they built the wall? (cause they've all denied it)

do you believe generals told Trump the wall is a better use for their funds?

Why? Why should anyone ever believe a word he says on any topic?
obaminated
Member
Fri Feb 15 22:53:58
losing has consequences, tw :)
hood
Member
Fri Feb 15 23:34:11
"the wall everyone wants"

If by everyone you mean a minority of americans.


"appeases me"

If by appeases you mean pleases.




epic fail.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 15 23:45:07
losing the midterms?

...by 9 million
obaminated
Member
Sat Feb 16 09:26:49
Most americans want the wall, they just dont want the government to be shut down over it. Similar to how most americans are against abortion, they just dont want to tell anyone else they cant have one.
hood
Member
Sat Feb 16 10:12:54
"Most americans want the wall"

Again, if you define "most" as "a minority". Please feel free to look at the many polls done.


"Similar to how most americans are against abortion"

See above response. For any real definition of "most," you are flat out wrong.
Paramount
Member
Sat Feb 16 10:14:40
”Most americans want the wall”

What is your source, Pedro?
patom
Member
Sat Feb 16 10:40:32
Most Americans want:
The infrastructure repaired and upgraded.
Better health care that everyone can afford.
Decent wages that they can live on
People who have suffered from natural disasters helped.
Better schools for their children.
More affordable prescription medications for all.

A minority of Americans want a Wall that will do diddly to stop the flow of illegal drugs and aliens from entering this country before any of those things listed above.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 16 11:26:42
hopefully most also want:
- a president who learns & uses factual information rather than making shit up & lying constantly


some Trump fundraising texts:
-----
We have an INVASION! So we are BUILDING THE WALL to STOP IT. Dems will sue us. But we want a SAFE COUNTRY! Join me. DONATE NOW [link]

It's CRITICAL that we STOP THE INVASION. I'm allowing a QUADRUPLE-MATCH for ONE HOUR. 4X to Fight for the WALL! DONATE NOW [link]
-----

give him your money, idiots! it will help build the wall! (& fight lawsuits?... is that the lie he's implying?) also i'd like to investigate that quadruple match... who/what is matching...
Paramount
Member
Sat Feb 16 11:49:54
”the only national emergency is that our president is an idiot"
– Ann Coulter, in a radio interview on Friday afternoon.

http://the...gency-is-that-our-president-is



Trump replies:

”Ann Coulter, I don’t know her. I hardly know her. I haven’t spoken to her in way over a year,”

"Probably if I did speak to her, she’d be very nice. I just don’t have the time to speak to her. I would speak to her. I have nothing against her," he continued.

"In fact, I like her for one reason. When they asked her right at the beginning, ‘Who’s going to win the election?’ She said, ‘Donald Trump.’



I can't believe that he is for real.
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