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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 22 11:17:16
Robert Kraft (patriots owner) arrested for soliciting a prostitute

arrested at a spa along with many others
Paramount
Member
Fri Feb 22 11:27:42
Maybe he wanted to make his own pee video.
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 22 11:27:59
No fucking way.

*googles*

Oh holy shit
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri Feb 22 11:42:58
Police said the suspects paid between $59 and $79 for services.

Paramount
Member
Fri Feb 22 11:47:52
Is it illegal in the US to give money to a woman in exchange for sex?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 22 11:47:53
and they were basically sex slaves from Asia... perhaps duct-taped and brought over the border at the 'turn left' spot that only Trump knows about
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 22 11:48:28
Fuck, it took place in Florida. So much for a Massachusetts jury.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 22 11:52:27
-a billionaire being cheap
-paying chinese for services instead of americans
-cheating on his wife

just like Trump
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 22 11:53:11
At least he can always flee to Russia. Putin still owes him a solid for that ring.
hood
Member
Fri Feb 22 12:18:12
Hopefully Kraft took a page from Belickick's book and filmed everything. Then he was just filming a home porn movie and paying the actress.
CrownRoyal
Member
Fri Feb 22 12:23:07
http://twitter.com/TheCousinSal/status/1099009118407249926
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 22 12:25:10
^in the replies to that

"Thiago
@BCNThiago 9m
Replying to @TheCousinSal
Do you think you can be a little bit more mature? Young women were being trafficked. This is just pathetic, grow up."

People are lame.
hood
Member
Fri Feb 22 12:46:10
Forced sale of the Patriots in 3... 2...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 22 12:56:51
I guess he should have to vacate his wins too...


and he gets to share the sex crimes headlines with R Kelly:

"R&B star R. Kelly was indicted Friday in Chicago on 10 counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse. The charges stem from a newly discovered video found by attorney Michael Avenatti that allegedly shows him having sex with a 14-year-old girl"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 22 13:08:30
two Robert K's abusing underage girls and trafficked women
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri Feb 22 13:10:50
http://twi...nte/status/1098994711522668544
obaminated
Member
Fri Feb 22 13:11:44
man, i dont get it.

i guess some people view paying for sex as a mutually beneficial transaction. so while some people desperately want to shame having sex, some people don't and those people belong in jail for daring to directly pay for the same thing we all pay for, just in not direct ways.
hood
Member
Fri Feb 22 13:17:06
The oddity here is that he didn't just employ a hot young girl (or whatever his fancy is) as a maid or something to be his fuck toy. Hell, he's almost 80, he could have gotten a nurse.
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 22 13:22:01
^to add to that, MeToo's inability to distinguish between levels of severity means that not only will Kraft be viewed as a bad guy, he'll be viewed as a bad guy on par with Harvey Weinstein.

Women being allowed to speak in public was a mistake
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 22 13:22:17
correction to earlier comment... apparently he has no (living) wife... but does have a 39 yr old actress/model 'girlfriend'... so still Trumpian
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 22 13:22:24
Was in response to MT.
hood
Member
Fri Feb 22 13:27:32
Has anyone actually #metooed this?

However, the fact that this is in relation to sex trafficking makes it more serious than visiting the bunny ranch or something. Kraft's level of knowledge becomes very important. If he had any idea, he's scum. If he was clueless, then he's just a lawbreaker and collateral in sex trafficking.
TJ
Member
Fri Feb 22 13:42:09
"A first offense in Florida may be charged as a second degree misdemeanor, which can result in a term of imprisonment for up to 60 days, a fine in an amount up to $500, or both."

"If the offense involves the procurement of a person who is under 18 years of age, the charge increases to a second degree felony, which can result in up to 15 years of imprisonment, a fine of up to $10,000, or both."

From what I understand it doesn't matter if you thought the one you were soliciting was older than 18.

It is too early in the story to know particulars.

http://sta...florida-prostitution-laws.html

That being posted: Hood summarized accurately with the current information available.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Feb 22 13:59:35
There's zero reason to assume a dude getting a happy ending in a spa is involved in trafficking.
hood
Member
Fri Feb 22 14:08:04
Who is assuming? I just acknowledged the possibility.
chuck
Member
Fri Feb 22 15:20:06
Probably shouldn't be a crime to exchange money for sexual favors.

Still, I think everybody can agree, fuck Boston.
chuck
Member
Fri Feb 22 15:22:24
Same sting also got John Childs apparently, another old dirty bostard.
chuck
Member
Fri Feb 22 15:30:07
Also apparently John Havens, former president of Citigroup.
patom
Member
Fri Feb 22 15:45:48
So who thinks that these collective billionaires will suffer anything more than their names in the paper?
They can afford the best lawyers money can buy who can spin any thing any way they want.
I delivered inmates to prison for Dr. shopping just like Rush Limbaugh did. None of them had the money Limbaugh had.
In this case money walks.
FREAK NATION
Member
Fri Feb 22 15:59:16
Will they release the videos?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 22 16:05:54
money is likely the only penalty he's facing anyway (+ suspension from 6 games... as if the owner matters :p) so lots of money to lawyers then possibly lots of money for fines (for crime & to NFL)

supposedly the tape does exist, get the replay refs on the job
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 22 16:35:12
Y'alls hatred of a wildly successful man and his awe-inspiring team is amusing.
kargen
Member
Fri Feb 22 19:20:42
The thing I really dislike about Robert Kraft is he is a big reason why I can't play online poker for real money. Him, a few other NFL owners and other multi millionaires lobbied congress to make online poker for real money illegal. It was a part of the law that allows for sites like DraftKings to let people bet real money on fantasy football online. His money convinced politicians that poker is strictly a game of chance while betting on sports is a game of skill.

Basically the right people were not getting rich with online poker so he helped put a stop to it.

Back to the prostitute thing though. He is 77 and still feels the need to require the services of a prostitute. So I guess good for him so long as he faces the same consequences as any other person who solicits sex.

As long as everybody is of age and is a willing participant I see no reason for prostitution to be illegal.
obaminated
Member
Fri Feb 22 21:01:38
the sex trafficking connection is definitely something that needs to be addressed, but i don't think any of us think Robert Kraft was involved in some form of organized sex slavery. Pretty often the police want to show dope on the table to get positive headlines and distract from their otherwise losing war on criminal activities. WIthout a doubt Commissioner Ervin Burrell is hoping to jam up any potential stories about the rising murder rates in Baltimore.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 22 23:18:00
maybe sex trafficking is how he really made his money
obaminated
Member
Fri Feb 22 23:43:08
yeah, tw, that is probably how he made his money.
hood
Member
Fri Feb 22 23:51:55
You're really bad with the sarcasm lately, mt.
patom
Member
Sat Feb 23 05:57:41
tumbleweed "maybe sex trafficking is how he really made his money"

Maybe he was trying to emulate his good buddy Trumps grandfather. That's how he got his start in this country.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 23 11:25:24
maybe rich guys Donald John Trump, John Childs, & John Havens are all still in on it together along w/ Kraft (charged as a john)... a bunch of johns running a prostitution ring, very apt

and Trump knows all about abusing the visa system to bring in foreign girls & would explain that out-of-left-field Hillary sex-trafficking pizza joint claim as Trump always projects his faults on others

begin the 2-year investigation

...Trump may also be the founder of ISIS given he knew more about ISIS than the generals before even taking office & claimed Obama founded it
jergul
large member
Sat Feb 23 13:22:49
The sex traffic minors issue is a plea-bargain technique. Mobilize the absolutely worst possible charge to influence the outcome of a plea bargain.
patom
Member
Sat Feb 23 20:47:14
IMO he is no more innocent than those who buy child porn.
Sam Adams
Member
Sun Feb 24 09:51:43
LOL.

I find this whole thing hilarious. An old dude who lost his wife a few years back gets a whore? And? Good for him.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Feb 24 11:08:27
it seems they only started taping in mid-January & he was caught there twice (probably not his first two visits)... so minimally, if he was not aware they were trafficked women & is not a monster, this will have ruined the experience for him & sickened him... so... ha!

if he doesn't suicide, he's probably a monster
patom
Member
Sun Feb 24 11:54:41
If nothing else it shows that he's a cheap bastard. $59-$79 was the price he was paying.
Rugian
Member
Sun Feb 24 11:57:07
That's called being a good businessman. He must have read Art of the Deal.
Sam Adams
Member
Sun Feb 24 14:18:09
60 dollars an hour is a great wage for a low skill immigrant. Dudes a job creator.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Feb 24 16:51:37
the women lived at the 'spa', sleeping on the massage tables
Rugian
Member
Sun Feb 24 16:59:14
So rent-free then?

$60 an hour, with no housing costs. He's a hero.
TJ
Member
Sun Feb 24 17:22:43
Billions evidently doesn't prevent stupidity. He has humiliated himself with an unworthy value.
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Feb 25 18:16:01
Kraft got a 3some the night before, went back the next morning for a quickie then flew his private jet to the afc champ game where the pats won.

Rofl.
Rugian
Member
Mon Feb 25 19:00:27
He's a goddamn legend.
murder
Member
Mon Feb 25 19:02:07

"Fuck, it took place in Florida. So much for a Massachusetts jury."

South Florida ... that means Dolphins fans. :o)

Sam Adams
Member
Mon Feb 25 19:45:41
Ya like a first offense misdemeanor is going to trial.
murder
Member
Mon Feb 25 22:14:12

What do you mean first offense? He's been murdering AFC teams for years.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Feb 25 23:02:24
Mark O'Mara (Zimmerman's lawyer) was saying Kraft better make a deal quick or the video tape(s) could become part of the public record through discovery (or something)
hood
Member
Mon Feb 25 23:14:35
"Ya like a first offense misdemeanor is going to trial."

Er, multiple offences.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Feb 26 00:01:30
2 counts, but still a first offense

community service is best to hope for as the fines will be meaningless

i think he'll also have to take a class on sex trafficking (why it's bad, not how to do it)
Sam Adams
Member
Tue Feb 26 12:16:39
why it's bad, not how to do it

Lol!
murder
Member
Tue Feb 26 14:47:18

"community service is best to hope for as the fines will be meaningless"

He'll probably get off with a donation to some anti-human trafficking organization. He probably won't even have to plead guilty.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri Mar 08 08:52:30
Trump cheered Kraft’s team to Super Bowl victory with founder of spa where he was busted


http://www...vernment/article227186429.html
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Mar 08 11:13:33
so the plot thickens... that's also her with Rick Scott (Trump friend, former governor, now senator & possible alien) & Ron DeSantis (Trump friend & current governor... who read Trump books to his children in campaign ads...)

they are probably running a whole Florida state-wide crime-ring

Trump also was chummy w/ the Florida AG Pam Bondi... a nice friend for a criminal to have (she even appeared on Fox News shilling for him completely inappropriately)



or maybe it's nothing... except the Pam Bondi stuff still wholly inappropriate
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Mar 19 13:51:57
deal offered to Kraft:

the charges dropped if he admits he would've been found guilty (so not a guilty plea as there's no charges/conviction)... plus completion of an education course about prostitution, 100 hours of community service, screening for sexually transmitted diseases and payment of some court costs

i assume he'll take it if they indeed have video
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Mar 21 00:29:18
supposedly Kraft NOT accepting the deal... yet also joining a motion to stop public release of the videos

so he's guilty

must be hoping for a pardon via the corrupt child prez & his loyal follower/governor of Florida
kargen
Member
Thu Mar 21 02:20:47
Kraft only cares about what the NFL might do. Supposedly the owners are held to a really high standard. Taking the deal could cause problems with his owning a team? A pardon isn't going to help him with that.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Mar 21 11:43:27
perhaps he'll argue that he only paid for a massage & didn't expect the woman to go after his dick

a billionaire going to a strip mall massage parlor for a standard massage
hood
Member
Sat Mar 23 21:28:17
Kraft admits to it without actually saying it:

http://dea...bert-krafts-apology-1833517602

How long before the NFL investigation is over and Kraft is ousted from ownership?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Mar 23 21:31:14
it must clearly be his penis on the tape... his defense strategies are getting limited
obaminated
Member
Sat Mar 23 22:38:40
i dont know why he would be ousted from ownership. i don't think the average nfl fan gives a shit. the average american doesn't give a shit. we all know rich old men who are not married are likely paying women for sex. the fact that he wasn't with 18 year olds actually speaks to his integrity.
hood
Member
Sat Mar 23 22:44:16
"i dont know why he would be ousted from ownership."

Richardson left the Panthers over workplace misconduct. It's likely the same end result would have occurred if he didn't leave voluntarily. The Clippers' Sterling was ousted over racist remarks. You think Kraft is gonna just walk clean over being involved with a prostitution joint involved in trafficking?


Also, you seem to be new here. We often engage in taunting hyperbole to troll each other. If you can't keep up, there's a corner you can sit in. Be sure to put the cap on.
Sam Adams
Member
Sun Mar 24 13:17:04
There was no human trafficking. This is pretty garden variety shit.
murder
Member
Sun Mar 24 14:37:47

Human trafficking has a broad definition. If the prostitutes were brought here for the purpose of profiting from that prostitution, that is technically human trafficking.

Of course I have no idea if the prostitutes were trafficked or born in Jersey so ...


jergul
large member
Sun Mar 24 15:56:13
Murder
Is trafficing across state lines a thing?
murder
Member
Sun Mar 24 22:32:26

For sure if the women were kidnapped or coerced or underage.

hood
Member
Mon Mar 25 07:37:14
First this, then the second best tight end retires? Tough month for Boston.
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Mar 25 11:13:36
I know, its been an entire month since we won our last superbowl.

The struggle is real.
murder
Member
Mon Mar 25 11:14:42
lol :o)
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