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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Feb 27 18:23:15
in non-Cohen news, our mentally-ill criminal child is meeting with his lover Kim

there was some speculation Trump would formally end the war in his quest for the Nobel peace prize

Is anyone knowledgeable on this issue? from a skimming of Wikipedia seems NK had long ago wanted peace instead of the armistice but it was us who held out, so this seems like it would be a gift to them that Trump will take full credit for

agree or no?

Or discuss anything else about what's happening there...
obaminated
Member
Wed Feb 27 18:48:57
remember when you thought trump was going to start a war with north korea?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Feb 27 18:52:46
Not specifically... but I recall he wanted to but was talked out of it
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Feb 27 18:53:05
U.S. drops demand for full accounting of N. Korea nuclear program ahead of talks

The country's refusal to disclose all of its nuclear materials is the issue over which talks fell apart a decade ago.

http://www...77251__twitter_impression=true

Donald really wants some kind of victory, fast. But this is actually good, Kim is not giving up nukes, so just concentrate on arms control and forget about denuclearization bullshit

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Feb 27 21:40:38
I wrote that last tweet hastily as about to watch a show...

I recall Trump saying diplomacy wouldn't work, only one option would work, plus plenty of other saber rattling and personal insults to his madman counterpart (so possible I was concerned he could start a war as everyone should be still)

I recall numerous accounts of Trump wanting to order military families or some other group to withdraw from the country or something which panicked people in the know who strongly urged him not to as NK would see it as a prelude to war.

I recall reporting of military leaders not wanting to provide Trump with very many military options after he requested them for fear he would pick one (and you can call that 'fake news' based on nothing, but imagine you were in their shoes, would you be comfortable giving the idiot child dangerous options?)

And I recall the proclamation after the first meeting had NK only saying they 'restate' something they had already said so seems like it didn't produce anything on the route to denuclearization

And I've seen the above reporting by CR, and Trump seeming to lower the bar on this meeting, so am anticipating very little on NKs part, and anticipating Trump will declare it the greatest achievement in history.
CrownRoyal
Member
Thu Feb 28 06:56:33
Well, I guess it is over


Trump’s Talks With Kim Jong-Un Collapse
February 28, 2019 at 6:35 am EST


“President Trump and Kim Jong-un, North Korea’s leader, abruptly ended their second summit meeting on Thursday when negotiations collapsed after the two sides failed to agree on even the first steps on nuclear disarmament, a peace declaration or reducing sanctions on the North,” the New York Times reports.
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 28 07:23:59
CR
No worries. They will set a new play-date.
CrownRoyal
Member
Thu Feb 28 08:17:11
I know Rod would have found a way to applaud Donald for this, but I am glad he doesn't have to, this is kinda embarassing for the US president. Totally worth it though
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Trump Defends Kim Over Otto Warmbier’s Death
February 28, 2019 at 7:11 am EST

President Trump defended North Korean leader Kim Jong Un over the death of American college student Otto Warmbier, whose family says he was “brutally tortured” while imprisoned in North Korea and died in 2017 after being flown back to United States in a coma, the Washington Post reports.

Said Trump: “I don’t believe he would have allowed that to happen. It just wasn’t to his advantage to allow that to happen.”

He added that Kim “feels badly about it… He tells me he didn’t know about it, and I take him at his word.”
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Thu Feb 28 09:51:05
http://www.nocutnews.co.kr/news/5111872
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 28 11:03:40
Trump loves & trusts lying murderers at their words

totally what you want in a fit President
McKobb
Member
Thu Feb 28 11:16:37
I don't understand why responsible conservatives are standing behind Trump.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Thu Feb 28 11:20:43
The Untold Story of Otto Warmbier, American Hostage

http://www...ea-american-hostage-true-story
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 28 12:51:22
brave Trump didn't want to answer if it was his decision to walk away from the talks

so if the fallout is bad... probably Pompeo's getting smeared

if the TV people conclude it's good, Trump will take credit

i'll guess it was not Trump's idea... i'll guess Trump would've given Kim anything he wanted if Trump could announce the peace treaty
(after all, they're in love... & Trump proudly shares the incredible love letters)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Mar 01 11:22:30
"We have been respectful during this summit process. Now we must speak out. Kim and his evil regime are responsible for the death of our son Otto. Kim and his evil regime are responsible for unimaginable cruelty and inhumanity. No excuses or lavish praise can change that. Thank you."
~Fred and Cindy Warmbier


they had been tolerant of Trump's ass-licking of Kim in the past when it wasn't about Otto, but i guess this was a bit too much
TJ
Member
Fri Mar 01 13:06:57
Trump the labeled pathological liar is now telling the truth to Kim? It would have been irresponsible to insult Kim when trying to negotiate nuke elimination and a peace treaty between the Korea's. The lie of believing Kim was goal-oriented, as well as, the love between them.

Telling Kim the truth would have ended the process for decades into the future. The pissing match has subsided and that is a good thing from my perspective.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Mar 01 13:29:49
have you carefully studied Trump's personality?

Trump gets love letters from Kim, so he returns it

he didn't have to smear Kim into the dirt on the question, there's a middle ground
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Mar 01 13:33:49
was Trump's trying to convince the public that Russia was innocent of election interference for literally a whole year after unanimous conclusion of our intel agencies a noble effort to get better relations?

are we doormats?
TJ
Member
Fri Mar 01 15:20:38
Without answering your questions in a bickering manner, I've carefully assessed Trump and his 1st term thus far as President, considering the calamity surrounding in resistance of it, I'll make two future predictions that you'll abhor considering the opposition history over the past three years.

1) The wall will be built.
2) He'll be reelected in 2020.

I see no need to defend those predictions, but what I will do is admit my judgement was in error, if they don't come to fruition.

What will you do if, by chance, those predictions become factual?
hood
Member
Fri Mar 01 15:28:52
Quick! Evade!
TJ
Member
Fri Mar 01 15:30:29
hahaha
kargen
Member
Fri Mar 01 15:50:39
"I don't understand why responsible conservatives are standing behind Trump."

They are thinking lesser of two evils. They should be thinking third party.
Paramount
Member
Fri Mar 01 16:45:32
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

I love Otto and think of him often!

http://twi...ump/status/1101588728500363265


Can he love both Kim and Otto at the same time?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Mar 01 18:11:50
Trump should've left that last sentence off... the disingenuousness is vomit-inducing... a fraud to the core


if Trump wins again i will leave the country... and/or keep complaining
TJ
Member
Fri Mar 01 19:21:49
I'll make another prediction. You'll pick the latter if Trump is reelected.

Locked and loaded...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Mar 01 21:27:42
I would happily leave if this country is so lost... I move frequently, the only problem is a lot more hassle changing countries... Canada probably isn't too hard for most but not sure they'd let me in...we've had a misunderstanding...
Paramount
Member
Sat Mar 02 02:21:20
Every country is more or less a shithole today, so there's really no place to move to. Name one good country.
jergul
large member
Sat Mar 02 03:09:42
Para
Ahem. Modesty forbids.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Mar 02 11:06:20
now about the "The wall will be built" prediction... (i've never bet it wouldn't be... i've made no prediction, just that he lies literally every time he talks about it)... but if you want credit for your prediction you'll have to establish what success/fail means

his initial promise was an ~40 ft concrete wall the entirety of the border... now after actually getting at least a small amount of info (impressive for him) he knows border patrol wants the fencing & he has accepted natural barriers exist

i haven't studied the issue but i've heard Congress had approved ~750 miles of fencing before the total obvious fraud ever took office, and ~700 miles got built... and i believe i heard that the first money he finally got for fencing was related to that ~50 miles but not sure

he (the continuous liar) claims he's built a lot of his wall already (and changed the slogan to 'finish the wall') when factually it seems to be 0.0 miles & since he never got funding before now & he's a continuous liar, that seems likely
(renovation has happened, but that also was going on under Obama)

so you'll have to define your goal posts if you want credit
TJ
Member
Sat Mar 02 12:13:55
I don't care about receiving any credit for something that seems so obvious. What if I'm incorrect? The answer to that seems equally as obvious. lulz

The media will let us know if he gets done what he wanted accomplished with the so called wall.
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