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Sam Adams
Tue Mar 05 14:08:35

The Israeli spacecraft Beresheet, which was launched off the coast of Cape Canaveral, Florida, two weeks ago on its way to a planned Moon landing next month, took its first selfie in space. The selfie - which was taken some 37,600 km (20,000 miles) away from Earth - shows the Southern Hemisphere, and Australia can clearly be seen in the background.
the wanderer
Tue Mar 05 14:51:58
Omar is being unfairly criticized for saying politicians pledge support to Israel... but they do... quite regularly

R's jumped on D's for not having a Jerusalem thing in their platform, then embarrassed D's held a voice vote about it that didn't clearly pass yet the leaders pretended it did

also, how did moving the embassy benefit us at all
Tue Mar 05 15:18:34
Better question who the fuck are we to tell another country where their capital is? Before the move the diplomats were staying in hotels and renting offices in Jerusalem anyway. Might as well have the building where the people are. Moving the embassy saves us money as we don't have to rent so much space now.

That aside I think the reaction to Omar's comment is way over the top.
Tue Mar 05 16:19:20
Because Jerusalem is under military occupation and Israel has always said that taking unilateral actions undermines peace. Well, at least if the Palestinians would take a unilateral action.
Sam Adams
Tue Mar 05 16:28:32
"Omar is being unfairly criticized"

Well she dresses like a terrorist and defends isis, so really, she is asking for it.
Tue Mar 05 16:29:11
mountme, what drove you to becoming a nazi?
Tue Mar 05 18:01:00
The Democrats are being hypocrites here. They have been for close to two years claiming President Trump has pledged allegiance to Russia. They just used a few different words.
Tue Mar 05 20:56:26
Omar's AIPAC comments are probably her least-retarded overall.

Aren't 80+ Reps/Senators holders of Israeli dual-citizenship, the majority of them Dems? Makes sense why they would push back on her.
Tue Mar 05 21:37:07
Nope, that was a hoax sent around social media trying to divide we the people. The list of names was basically a list of Jewish people that were in congress at some time. One person on the list has been dead for a while now.
Sam Adams
Tue Mar 05 21:37:51
Ya, agreed, they really weren't bad but she is a retard in general so no worries.
Tue Mar 05 23:53:42
Forgive me for being Hot Rodded, good thing I asked.
Wed Mar 06 00:11:56
jewish take on the apparent divergence from the kickass accomplishment that is underway:

There are better ways to criticize US politicians' support of Israel than sarcastic tweets. Ms. Omar can go fuck herself if all she's got are sound bytes.
Thu Mar 07 20:09:05
"Omar is being unfairly criticized for saying politicians pledge support to Israel..."

no, she is pillored because she says jews aren't loyal to the united states. she is a racist isis supporter and should be executed.
the wanderer
Thu Mar 07 22:07:46
please give a correct quote and then explain why it is anti-semitic (or even false)
Fri Mar 08 11:34:50
In what is surely the most shameful decision of her current term as speaker, Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has decided that the time has come for the House to rebuke Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) for things she didn’t actually say, and ideas she didn’t actually express. In the process, Pelosi and other Democrats are helping propagate a series of misconceptions about anti-Semitism, Israel, and U.S. political debate.

I’m going to try to bring some clarity to this issue, understanding how difficult it can be whenever we discuss anything that touches on Israel.

To be clear, I do this as someone who was raised in an intensely Zionist family with a long history of devotion and sacrifice for Israel, but who also — like many American Jews — has become increasingly dismayed not only by developments in Israel but by how we talk about it here in the United States.

In the latest round of controversy, Omar said during a town hall, regarding U.S. policy toward Israel, “I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country.” This comment was roundly condemned by members of Congress and many others for being anti-Semitic. Rep. Eliot L. Engel (D-N.Y.) called her statement “a vile anti-Semitic slur” and accused her of questioning "the loyalty of fellow American citizens.”

Pelosi then announced that the House would vote on a resolution which, while not mentioning Omar by name, is clearly meant as a condemnation of her. It contains multiple “whereas” statements about the danger of accusing Jews of “dual loyalty.”

So let’s talk about this idea of “dual loyalty,” and how it does and doesn’t relate to Omar’s comments. For many years, Jews were routinely accused of having dual loyalty, to both the United States and Israel, as a way of questioning whether they were truly American and could be trusted to do things such as serve in sensitive national security positions.

That charge was anti-Semitic, because it was used to allege that every Jew was suspect, no matter what they thought about Israel, and that they could not be fully American because they were assumed to have too much affection for another country. It wasn’t about the particulars of U.S. policy or what Jews at the time were advocating; it was about who they (allegedly) were, their identity.

Now, back to Omar. Here’s the truth: The whole purpose of the Democrats’ resolution is to enforce dual loyalty not among Jews, but among members of Congress, to make sure that criticism of Israel is punished in the most visible way possible. This, of course, includes Omar. As it happens, this punishment of criticism of Israel is exactly what the freshman congresswoman was complaining about, and has on multiple occasions. The fact that no one seems to acknowledge that this is her complaint shows how spectacularly disingenuous Omar’s critics are being.

You may have noticed that almost no one uses “dual loyalty” as a way of questioning whether Jews are loyal to the United States anymore. Why has it almost disappeared as an anti-Semitic slur? Because, over the last three decades, support for Israel has become increasingly associated with conservative evangelicals and the Republican Party.

Not coincidentally, this happened at the same time as the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, the most prominent and influential pro-Israel lobby, went from supporting Israel generally to being the lobby in the United States for the Likud, Israel’s main right-wing party. While AIPAC works hard to keep Democrats in line, its greatest allies are in the GOP, where support for Israel and a rejection of any meaningful rights for Palestinians have become a central component of party ideology. When the most prominent advocates for Israel are people such as Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin, “dual loyalty” loses any meaning as a slur against Jews.

The idea that taking issue with support of Israel means one is necessarily criticizing Jews as Jews ignores the last few decades of political developments around the United States’ relationship with Israel. “Supporters of Israel” hasn’t been a synonym for “Jews” since the 1980s. I have to repeat this: In the United States today, a “supporter of Israel” is much more likely to be an evangelical Christian Republican than a Jew.

Ilhan Omar certainly didn’t say that Jews have dual loyalty. For instance, in one of the tweets that got people so worked up, Omar said, “I should not be expected to have allegiance/pledge support to a foreign country in order to serve my country in Congress or serve on committee.” You’ll notice she didn’t say or even imply anything at all about Jews. She said that she was being asked to support Israel in order to have the privilege of serving on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, which was true. Many on the right have called for her to be removed from that committee (see here, or here, or here, or here). Her argument, to repeat, isn’t about how Jews feel about Israel, it’s about what is being demanded of her.

And here’s the ultimate irony: Dual loyalty is precisely what AIPAC demands, and what it gets. Again, it makes this demand not of Jews, but of every member of Congress, and even of politicians at the state level whom you wouldn’t think would be conducting foreign policy. And it is working.

Take, for instance, the wave of state laws passed in recent years in opposition to the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement, in which a state would refuse to do business with anyone who supports BDS. In some cases, those laws require that contractors sign a document promising not to support any boycott of Israel. It’s illustrated by the case of a speech pathologist in Texas who sued over a requirement that she sign such a pledge to work in a public school district. That is literally a demand that she pledge her loyalty to Israel. She’s not Jewish, and the officials who demanded that she do so aren’t either; the Texas Republican Party is not exactly an organization dominated by Jews. When Gov. Greg Abbott (R) — also not a Jew — proclaims that “Anti-Israel policies are anti-Texas policies,” he’s expressing his dual loyalty.

Yet, when Omar says she shouldn’t have to do the same, everyone jumps up to accuse her of anti-Semitism, on the bogus grounds that 1) //she is secretly referring to Jews and not to what she is being asked to do; and 2) it’s some kind of anti-Semitic smear to even raise the issue of people being asked to promise their allegiance to Israel, when the truth is that members of Congress are asked to do just that.

When this episode is over, Omar and everyone else will have learned a lesson. You’d better not step out of line on Israel. You’d better not question AIPAC. You’d better not criticize members of Congress for the craven way they deal with this issue. You’d better not talk about how policy toward Israel is made and maintained. Because if you do, this is what you’re going to get.
the wanderer
Fri Mar 08 13:43:55

"The Democrats have become an anti-Israel party. They've become an anti-Jewish party and that's too bad"
~the President
Fri Mar 08 14:40:20
”In some cases, those laws require that contractors sign a document promising not to support any boycott of Israel. It’s illustrated by the case of a speech pathologist in Texas who sued over a requirement that she sign such a pledge to work in a public school district. That is literally a demand that she pledge her loyalty to Israel. She’s not Jewish, and the officials who demanded that she do so aren’t either”

That is pretty fucked up.
Anarchist Prime
Sat Mar 09 09:49:17
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