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adelaide
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Sun Mar 10 06:20:39
Boeing SNAFU


http://www...re-than-150-aboard-reports-say

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Ethiopian Airlines passenger jet crashes, killing all 157 aboard, state broadcaster says


Ethiopia's state broadcaster said Sunday that all 157 people aboard an Ethiopian Airlines jet that crashed soon after take-off from an airport near Addis Ababa had perished.

Of those aboard Flight 302 to Nairobi, Kenya, 149 were passengers and eight were crew members, according to reports.

The plane was a newly deployed Boeing 737, having been delivered to the airline in November, according to information on the Planespotters civil aviation database.

The flight left Harar Meda Airport, outside Addis Ababa, the Ethiopian capital at 8:38 a.m. and crashed just six minutes after take-off in Bishoftu, reports said.


The ascending flight "had unstable vertical speed,'' Swedish flight-tracking website flightradar24 told Reuters.

"Data from Flightradar24 ADS-B network show that vertical speed was unstable after take off,'' the Swedish-based flight tracking organization said on its Twitter feed


The airline issued a statement earlier regarding the crash.

"At this time search and rescue operations are in progress and we have no confirmed information about survivors or any possible casualties," the statement read in part.




The office of Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed tweeted a message offering condolences, suggesting there were few, if any, survivors.

“The office of the PM, on behalf of government and people of Ethiopia, would like to express its deepest condolences to the families that have lost their loved ones on Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 on regular scheduled flight to Nairobi, Kenya this morning,” the message said.


Paramount
Member
Sun Mar 10 10:52:02
second new Boeing 737 to crash in four months

The Boeing 737 MAX 8, a brand new plane only registered in November, disappeared from the radar six minutes into the flight. Immediate comparisons have been drawn with Lion Air flight 610, which crashed just over four months ago, killing 189 people. Flight data showed erratic climbs and descents before the plane, also a MAX 8, came down 12 minutes after takeoff from Jakarta.


http://www...-max-8-to-crash-in-four-months


I would avoid Boeing.
jergul
large member
Sun Mar 10 13:15:12
Huawei prolly hacked the aircraft.
Hrothgar
Member
Sun Mar 10 16:46:00
^^ sad part is that's not completely unreasonable conspiracy theorization in today's network connected world.
smart dude
Member
Sun Mar 10 19:32:12
Another shithole country crashes another airplane.
Paramount
Member
Mon Mar 11 03:40:29
China bans Boeing.
Paramount
Member
Mon Mar 11 03:43:46
Ethiopia too.

Europe should follow. No one wanna fly the Boing 737 now.
smart dude
Member
Mon Mar 11 10:18:47
They should probably ban all airplanes because airplanes were invented in America. Or am I wrong?
smart dude
Member
Mon Mar 11 10:26:20
"America: In invents the safest for of travel in the history of the planet. Third world countries get their hands on this technology and crash it. America is the bad guy."

-shithole countries
smart dude
Member
Mon Mar 11 10:30:08
"America: invents the safest form of travel in the history of the planet. Third world countries get their hands on this technology and crash it. America is the bad guy." 

-shithole countries

*sorry, made some typos on my smartphone, another US technology·
jergul
large member
Mon Mar 11 10:43:57
Typos are not exclusive to Americans using technology, but close enough.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Mon Mar 11 10:47:54
I was homeschooled and never make typos.
smart dude
Member
Mon Mar 11 10:53:15
"All of our people are dedicated to figuring out how to create heavier-than-air craft. We cant do it."

-Europe

"Here is an airplane."

-American bicycle repairmen.

"What is air?"

-Asians

smart dude
Member
Mon Mar 11 11:01:29
"Only Americans make typos."

-jergul, 2019
jergul
large member
Mon Mar 11 11:32:20
SD
Work on your reading skillz too!
Paramount
Member
Mon Mar 11 12:33:57
Boeing in Crisis After Second 737 Max Crash in Months

Boeing Co. Chief Executive Officer Dennis Muilenburg faces his biggest crisis yet following the second deadly crash of a 737 Max jetliner, as some airlines grounded the best-selling plane and the shares logged their biggest loss since the 9/11 attacks.

http://www...nd-boeing-737-max-caijing-says

Yeah. Who is gonna get on a Boeing 737 now? Ain’t no one gonna do that. They might as well retire the plane.
smart dude
Member
Tue Mar 12 02:29:20
The 737 has been around since the 1960s. Over 10,000 of them have sold. Let's take Volvos and Toyotas off the road because they crash sometimes due to incompetent driving (i.e. third world incompetence in this particular analogy).
Nekran
Member
Tue Mar 12 10:40:37
The 737 max has been flying commercially for less than 2 years and has had 2 big similar crashes in a short time. It's a logical reaction to want to investigate that.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Mar 12 11:32:00
"
Airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly. Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT. I see it all the time in many products. Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler is far better. Split second decisions are....
....needed, and the complexity creates danger. All of this for great cost yet very little gain. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want Albert Einstein to be my pilot. I want great flying professionals that are allowed to easily and quickly take control of a plane!
"
~guy who knows more about airplanes than anybody
Rugian
Member
Tue Mar 12 11:41:41
You. Are. Obesessed.
Paramount
Member
Tue Mar 12 13:34:15
The entire EU has banned the Boeing 737 Max 8 now!!

Boeing is not safe.

Ur banned!
Paramount
Member
Tue Mar 12 13:38:39
I wonder what Trump’s got to say about that. The world is treating american companies unfairly. BMW’s and Volvo’s crashes every but they are not banned. Only american companies are being banned. It almost like racism.
Paramount
Member
Tue Mar 12 13:41:11
*crashed every day
Paramount
Member
Tue Mar 12 13:41:24
*crashes
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 12 13:51:02
Aircraft that fall out of the sky seem to be a relevant national security concern.
Paramount
Member
Tue Mar 12 14:05:33
Oh... EU banned both Boeing 737 Max 8 and 9.
Paramount
Member
Tue Mar 12 14:08:14
EASA suspends all Boeing 737 Max operations in Europe

Following the tragic accident of Ethiopian Airlines flight ET302 involving a Boeing 737 MAX 8, the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) is taking every step necessary to ensure the safety of passengers.

As a precautionary measure, EASA has published today an Airworthiness Directive, effective as of 19:00 UTC, suspending all flight operations of all Boeing Model 737-8 MAX and 737-9 MAX aeroplanes in Europe. In addition EASA has published a Safety Directive, effective as of 19:00 UTC, suspending all commercial flights performed by third-country operators into, within or out of the EU of the above mentioned models.

http://www...eing-737-max-operations-europe
adelaide
Member
Wed Mar 13 04:38:47
SNAFU

http://www...with-new-boeing-jet/ar-BBUGJmB

Pilots have reported issues in US with new Boeing jet

Associated Press
6 hrs ago


Airline pilots on at least two U.S. flights have reported that an automated system seemed to cause their Boeing 737 Max planes to tilt down suddenly.

The pilots said that soon after engaging the autopilot on Boeing 737 Max 8 planes, the nose tilted down sharply. In both cases, they recovered quickly after disconnecting the autopilot.

As described by the pilots, however, the problem did not appear related to a new automated anti-stall system that is suspected of contributing to a deadly October crash in Indonesia.

The Max 8 is at the center of a growing global ban by more than 40 countries following a second fatal crash, this time in Ethiopia, in less than five months. In the U.S., however, the Federal Aviation Administration and airlines continued to permit the planes to fly.




In one report, an airline captain said that immediately after putting the plane on autopilot, the co-pilot called out "Descending," followed by an audio cockpit warning, "Don't sink, don't sink!"

The captain immediately disconnected the autopilot and resumed climbing.

"With the concerns with the MAX 8 nose down stuff, we both thought it appropriate to bring it to your attention," the captain wrote. "Best guess from me is airspeed fluctuation" due to a brief weather system overwhelming the plane's automation.

On another flight, the co-pilot said that seconds after engaging the autopilot, the nose pitched downward and the plane began descending at 1,200 to 1,500 feet (365 to 460 meters) per minute. As in the other flight, the plane's low-altitude-warning system issued an audio warning. The captain disconnected autopilot, and the plane began to climb.

The pilots talked it over later, "but can't think of any reason the aircraft would pitch nose down so aggressively," the co-pilot recounted.


CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Mar 13 08:23:06
Im flying to mexico in two weeks, waiting for westjet to ground their 737 max, I see other canadian airline users doing it. Not that I worry much, at this point the airlines would undoubtedly use their most experienced pilots to fly them, and the pilots would be super alert to any system alarms. But it looks like every airline is gonna ground, just a matter of time
The Children
Member
Wed Mar 13 13:34:00
now is da time 2 crush this yankee company. how dare they send us into a flyin coffin.

not only r we overcharged 4 very little but they also treat us like shit. remember how the guy was dragged outta delta with his nose broken and his face bloodied. that how they see us. not human. but rather just annoying cattle.

we need 2 shut our mouths and pay them our hard earned slave moniez.

Paramount
Member
Wed Mar 13 13:48:39
Well, Trump has now banned Boeing 737 - 8 from flying in the US. That was unexpected. I thought he was going to attack BMW and Volvo.
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Mar 13 13:57:10
Leading from behind
Paramount
Member
Wed Mar 13 14:16:25
JUST IN: Norwegian Air says it expects Boeing to compensate it for lost revenue from the grounding of its fleet of 737 MAX aircraft

http://mobile.twitter.com/Reuters/status/1105720510011400192

This might get expensive for Boeing if every airliner demands compensation, which I guess they have the right to.
Rugian
Member
Wed Mar 13 14:24:20
Being the first to make an uninformed reactionary decision isn't "leadership."
Pillz
Member
Wed Mar 13 16:04:31
Supposedly pilots have been properly informed of and trained to use the new flight control system. It may also be prone to malfunction.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Mar 13 16:15:02
The great Satan strikes at the world with it's shitty engineering.

Death to America!
adelaide
Member
Mon Mar 25 17:28:59
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1R61Y0


PARIS (Reuters) - Airbus signed a deal worth tens of billions of dollars on Monday to sell 300 aircraft to China as part of a trade package coinciding with a visit to Europe by Chinese President Xi Jinping and matching a China record held by rival Boeing.
adelaide
Member
Wed Apr 03 05:26:08
http://edi...ncy-procedures-intl/index.html

Pilots flying Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 initially followed emergency procedures that were laid out by Boeing before the plane nose-dived into the ground, according to preliminary findings reported in the Wall Street Journal.
Citing unnamed sources familiar with the investigation, the WSJ reported that despite following the steps, which included turning off an automated flight-control system, pilots could not regain control of the Boeing 737 MAX 8.
The Children
Member
Wed Apr 03 12:14:36
it a shitty plane. period.

get on board of one at ur own risk.

rememba this is 100% fatality rate. if it fails, ur as good as dead.

jergul
large member
Wed Apr 03 12:22:04
Adelaide
I saw. That must have hurt Boeing stocks. 3rd world pilot myth debunked.
Paramount
Member
Fri Apr 05 06:20:15
People are starting to sue Boeing now, and demands that Boeing recalls their shitty plane:


the parents of an American victim sued the company, and her grand-uncle, consumer advocate Ralph Nader, called for a boycott and recall of the plane.


Boing is sorry:

“We at Boeing are sorry for the lives lost in the recent 737 Max accidents,”


That wasn’t enough for the parents of Samya Stumo, 24. They sued Boeing, Ethiopian Airlines and aircraft-sensor maker Rosemount Aerospace Inc. for negligence in connection with the death of their daughter in the March 10 Ethiopia crash.


Boing was blinded by greed:

Boeing was “blinded by its greed” and rushed the 737 Max 8 to market with the “knowledge and tacit approval” of the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, while hiding defects in its automated flight-control system, Stumo’s parents alleged in their lawsuit, filed in federal court in Chicago. They cited a similar flaw in the Lion Air flight of a 737 Max 8 jet that crashed into the Java Sea on Oct. 29, killing 189.


Separately, the family made a wrongful-death claim with the FAA’s regional office in Des Plaines, Illinois, accusing the regulator of failing to prevent last month’s disaster. It is the first formal complaint the agency faces over its role in certifying Boeing 737 Max planes as airworthy.


The lawsuit alleges that decisions by Boeing leaders contributed to the crash and “demonstrate Boeing’s conscious disregard for the lives of others,” including designing an aircraft with a flight-control system that is “susceptible to catastrophic failure” in the event of a single defective sensor made by Rosemount Aerospace.



Boeing's planes should never fly again:


“Those planes should never fly again” and consumers should boycott the jets, Nader said, speaking remotely by telephone during a press conference at the Clifford Law Offices in Chicago, where Stumo’s parents also spoke. “Those planes -- the 737 Max 8 -- must be recalled.”


w00t!



Boeing and the FAA have come under intense scrutiny in recent weeks over claims their relationship is too cozy. The FAA is responsible for regulating aviation in the U.S. and operating the nation’s air traffic control system.

“Sadly, these two entirely preventable airline crashes demonstrate that the FAA is ill-equipped to oversee the aerospace industry and will downplay serious hazards and safety risks to the public rather than sound the alarm about safety concerns, problems, issues and hazards that pose substantial, probable, and/or foreseeable risks to human life,” attorneys for Stumo said in the lawsuit.

“Boeing, and the regulators that enabled it, must be held accountable for their reckless actions.”




In the claim filed with the FAA, the Stumo family said the agency is “equally culpable” with Boeing.

“The FAA approved and/or certified Boeing’s design for its new aircraft despite its substantial flaws because the FAA had negligently hired and/or trained its employees," the family alleged.

The chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee said this week that whistleblowers have come forward to report that FAA safety inspectors, including those involved with approvals for the 737 Max, lacked proper training and certifications. Senator Roger Wicker, a Mississippi Republican, said those claims prompted him to investigate potential connections between training and certification shortcomings and the FAA’s evaluation of the airliner.

The Senate panel’s probe is the latest in a string of investigations by U.S. officials and lawmakers into how the FAA cleared the 737 Max as safe to fly. The Transportation Department’s inspector general is reviewing the FAA’s process for approving the airworthiness of new jets and aiding a Justice Department criminal probe.



Criminal Probe

A grand jury convened by U.S. prosecutors last month subpoenaed a former Boeing engineer demanding he provide testimony and documents related to the 737 Max.

FAA Acting Administrator Dan Elwell has said the agency “welcomes external review of our systems, processes and recommendations.”

Boeing faces the prospect of substantial payouts to the families of passengers if it’s found responsible for both the Ethiopian Air and Lion Air crashes. But legal experts have said the second disaster could prove even more damaging for the company. That’s because plaintiffs will argue the manufacturer was put on notice by the earlier tragedy that there was something dangerously wrong with its planes that should have been fixed.


http://blo...ount-over-two-crashes/a/awJoe2
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