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tumbleweed
the wanderer Tue Mar 12 11:14:35
Actresses Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin are among dozens of parents, sports coaches and college prep executives accused of carrying out a national conspiracy to get students into prestigious colleges, according to a massive federal indictment.

The purpose of the alleged scam was to help student athletes get into college as recruited athletes, regardless of their athletic ability, according to the indictment. It alleges that a third party took the ACT and SAT college entrance exams in place of students. The documents also allege that some defendants created fake athletic profiles for students to make them appear to be successful athletes and get them into college.

Athletic coaches from Yale, Stanford, USC, Wake Forest and Georgetown, among others, are implicated as well as parents and exam administrators, federal prosecutors said.

Huffman, an Academy Award nominee, has been charged with felony conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud, according to court paperwork filed Monday in federal court in Massachusetts. A law enforcement source confirms to CNN that the actress has been arrested in Los Angeles.

Loughlin, star of "Full House" and "Fuller House," also is facing the same felony charge -- conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud.

CNN is working to get comment from the actresses' representatives.

Huffman, best known for her role on TV's "Desperate Housewives," is accused of paying $15,000 to an organization that then facilitated cheating for her daughter on the SATs, the indictment said. Huffman also discussed the scheme in a recorded phone call with a cooperating witness, the indictment said.

Of the other defendants, several are sports coaches or administrators at the University of Southern California, UCLA and Yale and Wake Forest universities. The indictment accuses defendants of committing crimes between 2011 and 2019.

Much of the indictment revolves around William Rick Singer, the founder of a for-profit college counseling and preparation business known as "The Key."

As laid out in the indictment, Singer allegedly paid college coaches to claim that a prospective student should be accepted to college because the student was a recruit for their sports team. However, Singer and the coaches knew that the student was not a competitive player and that his or her athletic profile was fake, the indictment said.

This is a developing story.

http://www...ion-cheating-scheme/index.html

Forwyn
Member Tue Mar 12 13:14:04
Kids are paying $1k a semester for temporary access to books and homework platforms, but this is the element of college that our government focuses on. lulz

tumbleweed
the wanderer Tue Mar 12 13:22:59
unless that is violating a federal law, that would not involve our "Justice" Department

write your congressperson

Forwyn
Member Tue Mar 12 13:31:33
Neither is cheating on the SAT to my knowledge, but "muh mail fraud"

swordtail
Anarchist Prime Tue Mar 12 14:16:20
http://twitter.com/FelicityHuffman/status/768888270772064256

Paramount
Member Tue Mar 12 14:21:17
Lock them up and throw away the key.

Paramount
Member Tue Mar 12 14:24:33
I bet Felicity Huffman voted Trump. She might be jewish also,

kargen
Member Tue Mar 12 15:33:41
I'll take that bet.

Paramount
Member Tue Mar 12 16:17:45
Actually, I don’t wanna bet anymore. She is probably a Liberal because I read that she is pro-choice.

Y2A
Member Tue Mar 12 17:12:50
Who wants to bet that Forwyn is a brat who cries a about "not muh affirmative action"?

Y2A
Member Tue Mar 12 17:14:21
It just goes to show that the fittest of the fittest is for the proles not rules that so called conservatives live by.

Sam Adams
Member Tue Mar 12 17:20:55
Wait arnt these hollywood liberals?

Forwyn
Member Tue Mar 12 17:29:48
"fittest of the fittest"

Includes parents, not muh fed gov

Rugian
Member Tue Mar 12 17:39:25
Y2A is the most uppity person that I've ever met.

Show some gratitude for the system that has benefited you so much already, cabron.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Mar 13 07:40:32
http://www...uption-rigged?CMP=share_btn_tw

the whole system is one giant affirmative action excersice for wealthy teenagers who are not that bright or especially hard working, and who should not be anywhere near these elite colleges, if graduating the best and the brightest is the task. Donations, gifts, legacy points, paid tutors, "visits". These parents in the news just did the kind of bribery that happens to be illegal, instead of legal.

jergul
large member Wed Mar 13 07:48:13
Imagine a world where Trump got into the school he deserved based on his merits.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Mar 13 07:54:40
and god forbid a poor brown kid gets any help at all, utterly unacceptable in this "meritocracy"

Forwyn
Member Wed Mar 13 10:38:12
They do get help.

We even execute armed raids on rich white people who cheat on tests, apparently.

Muh equality

Rugian
Member Wed Mar 13 10:55:56
rownRoyal
Member Wed Mar 13 07:54:40
and god forbid a poor brown kid gets any help at all, utterly unacceptable in this "meritocracy"

Are you saying that brown kids cant be members of wealthy families?

I have long been in favor of affluence-based affirmative action programs, for the record. Economic status is far and away the greatest determinant of access to education, and it should be acceptable to make adjustments to admissions standards on those grounds. Race-based AA, on the other hand, is, well, just fucking racist and needs to be abolished.

Rugian
Member Wed Mar 13 10:58:53
And yeah, the FBI conducting a guns-drawn early dawn raid over this was blatantly excessive.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Mar 13 11:03:10
Kushner's daddy paid $2.5 million for him to get into Harvard... he must be borderline retarded

& it was legal

and now he has a security clearance against the advice of everyone & is in charge of middle east peace, various trade deals, & more... w/ no qualifications for any of it

the American dream

Rugian
Member Wed Mar 13 11:15:42
Tw,

Nice to see that ProPublics is investigating the truly important stories of our time. They suffer from TDS almost much as you.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Mar 13 11:22:42

"Are you saying that brown kids cant be members of wealthy families"
I am saying that retards who support affirmative action based on wealth look funny when they start complaining about any form of AA

Rugian
Member Wed Mar 13 11:28:29
Well...you're wrong. End of story.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Mar 13 11:36:33
Not if my goal is to promote the upward mobility, to promote the deserving, who might lack the means, to live in meritocracy. I'm wrong if my goal is to be ruled by Jared Kushners and other moneyed interests which pass wealth from generation to generation, amassing more and more power. Might as well go back to aristocracy

Rugian
Member Wed Mar 13 12:10:00
Yes, you've made your disdain for poor whites quite clear.

Anyway, I see where this convoy is already headed, and have no interest in defending points that I'm not making. Have a great day, mi amigi

Forwyn
Member Wed Mar 13 12:10:53
"the deserving"

As determined by race?

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Mar 13 12:22:01
"Yes, you've made your disdain for poor whites quite clear. "

This is from the guy who just whined about not wanting to defend points he is not taking.

"As determined by race?"

By grades is ok with me. Or whatever other criteria, as long as you earn it, and can't buy it

The Children
Member Wed Mar 13 13:35:27
this is what tc been sayin all these years.

we r slaves man. wage fuckin slaves.

we r born slaves, treated as slaves and we will never end up ahead in life. why its coz da system is RIGGED. RIGGED YO.

these elites pay there way and ensure there children will always be ahead of us.

the social caste is real

The Children
Member Wed Mar 13 13:40:12
remember how a hardworkin asian with superior score by far superior score, doesnot get allowed entrance on the basis that they need "more" than just scores.

bullshit.

horse fuckin bullshittery.

a white person with a rich daddy can get in if daddy pays.

its as simple as that.

hood
Member Wed Mar 13 14:18:49
Money is more than scores. You weren't lied to.

patom
Member Wed Mar 13 16:51:58
This makes national news with the justice dept. and outside law enforcement agencies. Yet if your daughter gets raped in a College by another College student, let's make sure we don't ruin the young mans future. Plus protect the college at all cost.

kargen
Member Wed Mar 13 17:00:42
The implications of this go beyond the fifty charged so far. This could eventually rip apart Title IX in college sports. Colleges have to offer the same number of scholarships to women as men. Often though they don't have enough apply. Offering bogus scholarships keeps these schools getting their Title IX funding.

And TC you don't need an elite school to move on up. The elite schools are more a status symbol for parents now than a superior education and even though that has been known for while this story really highlights it.

kargen
Member Wed Mar 13 18:26:47
Oh and I forgot the tax fraud. Cheating on the SAT's has been going on for a long long time though. This might finally be the story that kills the SAT being used as part of the entry process.

murder
Member Wed Mar 13 21:41:11

The lesson here is don't try to bribe your kid's way into a school ... unless you have enough money to pay for a new building at the university.

murder
Member Wed Mar 13 21:43:39

btw the big scandal here is 300 FBI & IRS agents investigating this nonsense. And then they hold a press conference like they captured John Dillinger.

kargen
Member Wed Mar 13 22:11:27
I think it is a fine use of FBI resources so long as the courts follow up with real penalties should they be found guilty.
The crimes took place across many states involving people and universities all across the nation. Kind of right in the FBI's wheel house. The main bad guy pled guilty to racketeering charges and bragged that he helped over 800 students get into college.

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tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 12 11:14:35 Actresses Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin are among dozens of parents, sports coaches and college prep executives accused of carrying out a national conspiracy to get students into prestigious colleges, according to a massive federal indictment. The purpose of the alleged scam was to help student athletes get into college as recruited athletes, regardless of their athletic ability, according to the indictment. It alleges that a third party took the ACT and SAT college entrance exams in place of students. The documents also allege that some defendants created fake athletic profiles for students to make them appear to be successful athletes and get them into college. Athletic coaches from Yale, Stanford, USC, Wake Forest and Georgetown, among others, are implicated as well as parents and exam administrators, federal prosecutors said. Huffman, an Academy Award nominee, has been charged with felony conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud, according to court paperwork filed Monday in federal court in Massachusetts. A law enforcement source confirms to CNN that the actress has been arrested in Los Angeles. Loughlin, star of "Full House" and "Fuller House," also is facing the same felony charge -- conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud. CNN is working to get comment from the actresses' representatives. Huffman, best known for her role on TV's "Desperate Housewives," is accused of paying $15,000 to an organization that then facilitated cheating for her daughter on the SATs, the indictment said. Huffman also discussed the scheme in a recorded phone call with a cooperating witness, the indictment said. Of the other defendants, several are sports coaches or administrators at the University of Southern California, UCLA and Yale and Wake Forest universities. The indictment accuses defendants of committing crimes between 2011 and 2019. Much of the indictment revolves around William Rick Singer, the founder of a for-profit college counseling and preparation business known as "The Key." As laid out in the indictment, Singer allegedly paid college coaches to claim that a prospective student should be accepted to college because the student was a recruit for their sports team. However, Singer and the coaches knew that the student was not a competitive player and that his or her athletic profile was fake, the indictment said. This is a developing story. http://www...ion-cheating-scheme/index.html
Forwyn Member	Tue Mar 12 13:14:04 Kids are paying $1k a semester for temporary access to books and homework platforms, but this is the element of college that our government focuses on. lulz
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 12 13:22:59 unless that is violating a federal law, that would not involve our "Justice" Department write your congressperson
Forwyn Member	Tue Mar 12 13:31:33 Neither is cheating on the SAT to my knowledge, but "muh mail fraud"
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Tue Mar 12 14:16:20 http://twitter.com/FelicityHuffman/status/768888270772064256
Paramount Member	Tue Mar 12 14:21:17 Lock them up and throw away the key.
Paramount Member	Tue Mar 12 14:24:33 I bet Felicity Huffman voted Trump. She might be jewish also,
kargen Member	Tue Mar 12 15:33:41 I'll take that bet.
Paramount Member	Tue Mar 12 16:17:45 Actually, I don’t wanna bet anymore. She is probably a Liberal because I read that she is pro-choice.
Y2A Member	Tue Mar 12 17:12:50 Who wants to bet that Forwyn is a brat who cries a about "not muh affirmative action"?
Y2A Member	Tue Mar 12 17:14:21 It just goes to show that the fittest of the fittest is for the proles not rules that so called conservatives live by.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Mar 12 17:20:55 Wait arnt these hollywood liberals?
Forwyn Member	Tue Mar 12 17:29:48 "fittest of the fittest" Includes parents, not muh fed gov
Rugian Member	Tue Mar 12 17:39:25 Y2A is the most uppity person that I've ever met. Show some gratitude for the system that has benefited you so much already, cabron.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Mar 13 07:40:32 http://www...uption-rigged?CMP=share_btn_tw the whole system is one giant affirmative action excersice for wealthy teenagers who are not that bright or especially hard working, and who should not be anywhere near these elite colleges, if graduating the best and the brightest is the task. Donations, gifts, legacy points, paid tutors, "visits". These parents in the news just did the kind of bribery that happens to be illegal, instead of legal.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 13 07:48:13 Imagine a world where Trump got into the school he deserved based on his merits.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Mar 13 07:54:40 and god forbid a poor brown kid gets any help at all, utterly unacceptable in this "meritocracy"
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 13 10:38:12 They do get help. We even execute armed raids on rich white people who cheat on tests, apparently. Muh equality
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 13 10:55:56 rownRoyal Member Wed Mar 13 07:54:40 and god forbid a poor brown kid gets any help at all, utterly unacceptable in this "meritocracy" Are you saying that brown kids cant be members of wealthy families? I have long been in favor of affluence-based affirmative action programs, for the record. Economic status is far and away the greatest determinant of access to education, and it should be acceptable to make adjustments to admissions standards on those grounds. Race-based AA, on the other hand, is, well, just fucking racist and needs to be abolished.
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 13 10:58:53 And yeah, the FBI conducting a guns-drawn early dawn raid over this was blatantly excessive.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Mar 13 11:03:10 Kushner's daddy paid $2.5 million for him to get into Harvard... he must be borderline retarded & it was legal and now he has a security clearance against the advice of everyone & is in charge of middle east peace, various trade deals, & more... w/ no qualifications for any of it the American dream
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 13 11:15:42 Tw, Nice to see that ProPublics is investigating the truly important stories of our time. They suffer from TDS almost much as you.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Mar 13 11:22:42 "Are you saying that brown kids cant be members of wealthy families" I am saying that retards who support affirmative action based on wealth look funny when they start complaining about any form of AA
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 13 11:28:29 Well...you're wrong. End of story.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Mar 13 11:36:33 Not if my goal is to promote the upward mobility, to promote the deserving, who might lack the means, to live in meritocracy. I'm wrong if my goal is to be ruled by Jared Kushners and other moneyed interests which pass wealth from generation to generation, amassing more and more power. Might as well go back to aristocracy
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 13 12:10:00 Yes, you've made your disdain for poor whites quite clear. Anyway, I see where this convoy is already headed, and have no interest in defending points that I'm not making. Have a great day, mi amigi
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 13 12:10:53 "the deserving" As determined by race?
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Mar 13 12:22:01 "Yes, you've made your disdain for poor whites quite clear. " This is from the guy who just whined about not wanting to defend points he is not taking. "As determined by race?" By grades is ok with me. Or whatever other criteria, as long as you earn it, and can't buy it
The Children Member	Wed Mar 13 13:35:27 this is what tc been sayin all these years. we r slaves man. wage fuckin slaves. we r born slaves, treated as slaves and we will never end up ahead in life. why its coz da system is RIGGED. RIGGED YO. these elites pay there way and ensure there children will always be ahead of us. the social caste is real
The Children Member	Wed Mar 13 13:40:12 remember how a hardworkin asian with superior score by far superior score, doesnot get allowed entrance on the basis that they need "more" than just scores. bullshit. horse fuckin bullshittery. a white person with a rich daddy can get in if daddy pays. its as simple as that.
hood Member	Wed Mar 13 14:18:49 Money is more than scores. You weren't lied to.
patom Member	Wed Mar 13 16:51:58 This makes national news with the justice dept. and outside law enforcement agencies. Yet if your daughter gets raped in a College by another College student, let's make sure we don't ruin the young mans future. Plus protect the college at all cost.
kargen Member	Wed Mar 13 17:00:42 The implications of this go beyond the fifty charged so far. This could eventually rip apart Title IX in college sports. Colleges have to offer the same number of scholarships to women as men. Often though they don't have enough apply. Offering bogus scholarships keeps these schools getting their Title IX funding. And TC you don't need an elite school to move on up. The elite schools are more a status symbol for parents now than a superior education and even though that has been known for while this story really highlights it.
kargen Member	Wed Mar 13 18:26:47 Oh and I forgot the tax fraud. Cheating on the SAT's has been going on for a long long time though. This might finally be the story that kills the SAT being used as part of the entry process.
murder Member	Wed Mar 13 21:41:11 The lesson here is don't try to bribe your kid's way into a school ... unless you have enough money to pay for a new building at the university.
murder Member	Wed Mar 13 21:43:39 btw the big scandal here is 300 FBI & IRS agents investigating this nonsense. And then they hold a press conference like they captured John Dillinger.
kargen Member	Wed Mar 13 22:11:27 I think it is a fine use of FBI resources so long as the courts follow up with real penalties should they be found guilty. The crimes took place across many states involving people and universities all across the nation. Kind of right in the FBI's wheel house. The main bad guy pled guilty to racketeering charges and bragged that he helped over 800 students get into college.
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