Utopia Talk / Politics / Trump interferes in Israeli election

tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 21 13:16:50 "After 52 years it is time for the United States to fully recognize Israel’s Sovereignty over the Golan Heights, which is of critical strategic and security importance to the State of Israel and Regional Stability!" ~unfit mentally-ill Individual-1 (remember when kargen says he doesn't do policy by tweet... even though he does...) a gift for Netanyahu to help him win re-election, no benefit to us, will annoy UN ...plus paves the way for Trump to recognize Putin's annexation of Crimea
jergul large member	Thu Mar 21 15:49:43 It paves the way for recognizing Texas as sovereign Mexican territory. Great fun.
kargen Member	Thu Mar 21 15:51:11 ya know words matter right? "it is time" is not the same as "the United States will now". ya gave it a shot though. but yeah President Trump is trying to give Netanyahu a boost and there is nothing wrong with that so long as it is all out in the open.
Rugian Member	Thu Mar 21 16:07:37 "jergul large member Thu Mar 21 15:49:43 It paves the way for recognizing Texas as sovereign Mexican territory." It really doesnt. Although as long as we're recognizing facts that already exist on the ground, we're way beyond the point where EU countries should have been de-listed as sovereign states.
yankeessuck123 Member	Thu Mar 21 16:17:27 Suppose this'll play right into Trump recognizing Crimea as sovereign Russian territory in a year or two.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Thu Mar 21 16:51:10 lol
kargen Member	Thu Mar 21 17:07:46 To be fair Pompeo and President Trump after the tweet did make it more official with a couple of statements. So while the tweet means nothing the announcements afterwards do carry some weight.
jergul large member	Thu Mar 21 17:10:45 Rugian Sure, why not? If Sovereign integrity is fluid, then anything goes. ST My response to Ruggy indicates that Trump has in fact already done so.
McKobb Member	Thu Mar 21 23:11:20 The end is nigh!
Forwyn Member	Fri Mar 22 00:47:51 "If Sovereign integrity is fluid, then anything goes." Lulz. Nah. You might want to try actually controlling the territory first. Even if the rest of the US vanished with a Thanos snap, Mexico couldn't hold Texas.
jergul large member	Fri Mar 22 04:10:23 Forwyn It could break Texas after the Thanos snap. Which is the normal way of doing such things. "anything" is not exclusive to physical control.
Paramount Member	Fri Mar 22 07:07:22 #thuglife http://gfx...3e-0176-4c6a-b4ce-aa78fa71d771
Average Ameriacn Member	Fri Mar 22 11:48:38 http://www...ble-queen-esther-poised-defend Pompeo told CBN News he believes it is "certainly" possible that Trump may be the modern-day Queen Esther set in place to defend Israel from Iran.
murder Member	Fri Mar 22 12:22:55 "but yeah President Trump is trying to give Netanyahu a boost and there is nothing wrong with that so long as it is all out in the open." Same theory behind Trump openly asking Russia to hack Hillary's emails. It can't possibly be collusion if it's all out in the open, right?
Forwyn Member	Fri Mar 22 13:41:51 "It could break Texas after the Thanos snap. Which is the normal way of doing such things. "anything" is not exclusive to physical control." a) Thanos snap vanishes every US person not in Texas. Texas has access to vast resources outside of its own and Mexico has no chance. b) Texas secedes, US for some reason allows it, still doesn't allow Texas to be conquered. Mexico has no chance. c) US disappears in nuclear fire that ends right on Texas' doorstep. This is Mexico's best scenario, but still, good luck, lulz. F-16, F-22, F-35, V-22, H-1, all produced in Texas. Virtually every mega-contractor (Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed, L3, Bell), etc etc etc has plants there. Lots of bases there. Territorial claims are rooted in territorial control. Russia and Israel both control their respective claimed territories. Argentina claims the Falklands but can't hold them, so who gives a fuck?
Paramount Member	Fri Mar 22 13:54:21 Religious fanatics. “Could it be that President Trump right now has been sort of raised for such a time as this, just like Queen Esther, to help save the Jewish people from the Iranian menace?” Mitchell asked Pompeo. “As a Christian, I certainly believe that’s possible,” he replied. “It was remarkable – so we were down in the tunnels where we could see 3,000 years ago, and 2,000 years ago – if I have the history just right – to see the remarkable history of the faith in this place and the work that our administration’s done to make sure that this democracy in the Middle East, that this Jewish state remains. I am confident that the Lord is at work here.” http://www...like-he-raised-up-queen-esther The Lord is at work. Rofl. So, the Foreign Minister of the US believes that God is somehow in connection with the clown Trump to save the Jews from Iran. Unbelievable.
Paramount Member	Fri Mar 22 14:49:35 *the Secretary of State of the US
Paramount Member	Fri Mar 22 14:54:01 So if you grab land and can hold it, it is yours by right?
kargen Member	Fri Mar 22 14:57:54 "Same theory behind Trump openly asking Russia to hack Hillary's emails" Great point...except he didn't ask. It was more along the lines since you already have them and they appear to be lost hey why not share. Forwyn you left out 1.2 million active hunters plus how many other private gun owners that do not hunt.
Paramount Member	Fri Mar 22 15:08:01 ”Same theory behind Trump openly asking Russia to hack Hillary's emails" Great point...except he didn't ask.” Correct, he didn’t ask. He told them to hack Hillary’s emails.
murder Member	Fri Mar 22 15:30:55 "So, the Foreign Minister of the US believes that God is somehow in connection with the clown Trump to save the Jews from Iran." This is proof that either ... a) There is no god. b) God has no sense of humor. Because a large asteroid should be headed straight for Israel right now.
Greedy Jew Member	Fri Mar 22 17:01:35 "An actual, real, election video from The New Right party in Israel." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLlnZGj83vM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Right_(Israel) The New Right (Hebrew: הימין החדש HaYamin HeHadash) is a right-wing political party in Israel, established in December 2018 by justice minister Ayelet Shaked and education minister Naftali Bennett. The party aims to be open to both religious and secular people.
jergul large member	Fri Mar 22 17:30:28 Kargen Armed militias are in fact key to comprehensively breaking a country. Iraq would never have become what it did if Saddam did not suddenly become such a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment and opened up the military arsenals.
Forwyn Member	Fri Mar 22 20:55:11 If only Obama had been as supportive of the 2A rights of jihadi rebels in Syria as domestic citizens. I want a TOW
kargen Member	Fri Mar 22 21:33:09 "He told them to hack Hillary’s emails." Wrong. “I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” meaning he assumes they (Russia) already have the E-mails. jergul opposite can also true. A well armed population can be a deterrent when rallied against an outside and and unwelcome force.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 22 21:57:48 "meaning he assumes they (Russia) already have the E-mails." how do you figure? if you hope police can find your missing daughter do you assume they already have her? ...and don't give some nonsense about her server being offline or something as Trump wouldn't understand anything at all about computers. (Plus you can 'find' emails from the other end of the conversation or from forwards to other accounts, etc)
kargen Member	Sat Mar 23 03:30:50 "how do you figure?" wasn't hard. Emails were deleted from the server. Asking Russia to hack into the system and steal E-mails that were no longer there doesn't make any sense at all. And with the President Trump wouldn't understand that is another prime example of you wishing it were true so you decide it is true. Get help and get it soon.
Paramount Member	Sat Mar 23 04:16:06 ”An actual, real, election video from The New Right party in Israel." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLlnZGj83vM ” Well, the current fascist trend that we see everywhere, the alt-right, the hate, the fake news, originates from Zionist Israel. So its not strange to see pro-fascist election videos coming from there.
Rugian Member	Sat Mar 23 09:22:53 ^the woman from that video, Ayelet Shaked -Views on Jewish identity and democracy "Shaked argues that the key of concepts of property rights, the rejection of the divine right of kings, the importance of the separation of powers, and civil liberty are a byproduct of the Jewish philosophical tradition." -Judicial views "Shaked seeks to limit the power of the Israeli judiciary. She argues that role of the judiciary needs to be delineated and restricted." "she supports the death penalty for individuals who have committed terrorist acts," -Economic views "Shaked argues that the Israeli economy is insufficiently capitalistic" -Kurdish Independence "Shaked has repeatedly stressed her support for Kurdish independence" -Cannabis decriminalization "Shaked supports and has legislated for the decriminalization of cannabis consumption." --- I think I'm in love with her.
Rugian Member	Sat Mar 23 09:24:25 "She was influenced by Ayn Rand, in particular The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged." Ahahahahaha no wonder leftists hate her.
Rugian Member	Sat Mar 23 09:26:58 "Shaked dismisses the whole thing as confirmation of the humourlessness of the left. Timed to coincide with the Jewish holiday of Purim, on which it is customary to get all silly (as Jews celebrate their triumph over the ancient Persian attempt to destroy them), Shaked presented the ad spot as a wickedly funny and ironic jab at her critics. Problem was that people outside Israel who do not understand Hebrew or Jewish culture used it as proof of the wicked ways of the right and Israel, in general." http://www...et-shaked-smells-like-victory/ Paramount, comment?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Mar 23 11:16:50 "And with the President Trump wouldn't understand that is another prime example of you wishing it were true so you decide it is true." why would i wish it to be true? he doesn't email, he doesn't text (ever in his life), he handwrites on paper/faxes/printouts & has his assistant fax or snail mail them back to people he has websites printed out for him to read he refers to his kid's iPad as a computer (i don't care if it meets a dictionary definition) there is no evidence whatsoever that he remotely understands computers or how to even turn one on
Paramount Member	Sat Mar 23 13:56:38 Rugian, ”humourlessness of the left” Well, time and time again people of the far right has said shameless things, racist things, made direct or indirect threats to kill someone, etc and so on, and when they are being confronted they always dismiss it with: ”it was just a joke”, or ”it was an attempt to be humorous” or ”the left has no humor”. She is a genocidal fascist and her election video is not humor.
Paramount Member	Mon Mar 25 16:03:32 Assad and Putin should sign a document in Kreml where they recognize the absolut world. http://goo.gl/images/cCXQeg
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