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Paramount
Member
Wed Mar 27 05:17:37
lol

New York Suburb Declares Measles Emergency, Barring Unvaccinated Children From Public

An executive order pulled close to 6,000 unvaccinated children out of schools. Nearly 17,000 doses of the measles-mumps-rubella (M.M.R.) vaccine were given in 26 weeks. There was a public health campaign in which community officials, doctors and rabbis testified to the importance of immunizations.

None of those efforts stemmed the severe measles outbreak that has been plaguing Rockland County in New York since October.

So on Tuesday, in an extraordinary step, the county executive, Ed Day, declared a state of emergency, effective at midnight, that would bar children and teenagers who are not vaccinated against measles from public places.

The outbreak has been largely concentrated in ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities in Rockland, many of which have close ties to Brooklyn areas where there have also been infections. In both communities, vaccination rates tend to be lower and anti-vaccination literature has spread, public officials have said.


“We must not allow this outbreak to continue indefinitely or worsen again,” Mr. Day said. “We will not sit idly by while children in our community are at risk.”

[...]

Rockland County, with a population of more than 300,000, has had 153 confirmed cases of measles since October. Of those, 48 have occurred in 2019.

Because of the scope of the outbreak and its persistence, some public health experts said they thought the county’s action made sense.


[...]


Mr. Schwartz said it has been common for decades to exclude unvaccinated children from schools during outbreaks.

He said policies like Rockland County’s are a “logical extension” of that practice.

“When you’re thinking about ways to limit the ability of measles to circulate among the unvaccinated, it makes sense,” Mr. Schwartz said.

Dr. William Schaffner, a preventive disease specialist at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, said orders like Rockland County’s were a form of “social distancing.”

“They’re taking all these susceptible kids and taking them out of circulation, in effect,” he said.

Officials are particularly worried because measles is among the most contagious of the infectious diseases. The virus can live for up to two hours in the airspace where an infected person has breathed, coughed or sneezed, and up to 90 percent of nonimmunized people who are exposed to the virus will also become infected, according to the C.D.C.

The M.M.R. vaccine, when given in two doses, is about 97 percent effective against measles.

Daniel Salmon, a professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, said the risk that the unvaccinated children would spread the disease to people who could not, for medical reasons or age, be vaccinated made Rockland County’s order reasonable.

“One could even argue they’re compelled to take action because they’re responsible for protecting the public,” he said.

Rockland County officials, Mr. Day said, do not plan on “chasing people down” and asking for proof that they are vaccinated. The prohibition will be enforced retroactively, with parents facing up to six months in jail or a fine of up to $500, or both, if they are found to have allowed unvaccinated children in public spaces.

Rabbi Yakov Horowitz, the founding dean of Yeshiva Darchei Noam in Monsey, N.Y., a community at the center of Rockland County’s measles outbreak, said he strongly supports vaccinations, but he is worried that the county’s declaration might lead to potential harassment, attacks and discrimination against ultra-Orthodox Jews.

http://www...-outbreak-rockland-county.html
Allahuakbar
Member
Wed Mar 27 07:02:18
You may be surprised but I side with the jews in this case.

For I have not forgotten this:
http://www...cinations-osama-bin-ladens-dna

CIA organised fake vaccination drive to get Osama bin Laden's family DNA

hood
Member
Wed Mar 27 07:25:07
The swedish Nazi would come to the conclusion in the title...
murder
Member
Wed Mar 27 09:32:53

“We must not allow this outbreak to continue indefinitely or worsen again,” Mr. Day said. “We will not sit idly by while children in our community are at risk.”

Why would children be at risk if they are vaccinated?

Vaccinate your own kids and then you don't have to worry about it.

murder
Member
Wed Mar 27 09:34:31

btw wouldn't it be easier just to quarantine people with measles?

hood
Member
Wed Mar 27 09:49:54
"Why would children be at risk if they are vaccinated?

Vaccinate your own kids and then you don't have to worry about it."

That's not how it works. Vaccinations are not permanent immunity. They are a crash course for your immune system on how to fight a disease. Your immune system can still be overwhelmed if presented with enough contagion. That's what herd immunity is. It's a collective tolerance to a disease to the point that there's never enough of it to overcome the immune system reaction for a given person.

But once that herd immunity disappears, everyone is at risk. That's why anti-vaxxers are so insidiously retarded. They don't just gamble with their own child's life, they gamble with the lives of other children too (and even adults).
Nekran
Member
Wed Mar 27 11:12:51
Also people with immunodeficiency issues rea
Nekran
Member
Wed Mar 27 11:13:08
lly rely on herd immunity.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Wed Mar 27 11:19:51
"herd immunity"

First step to communism.
kargen
Member
Wed Mar 27 16:55:03
People with measles are contagious four days before their symptoms show so quarantine doesn't work.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Mar 27 17:23:23
"Also people with immunodeficiency issues really rely on herd immunity."

tfw we as a society mandate the protection of those with congenital defects so that they can pass on congenital defects and increase the size of the immunodeficient population

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Nekran
Member
Wed Mar 27 17:31:30
Well yes, them. But also infants and people undergoing radio- or chemotherapy and people with several forms of cancer, people with HIV and so on...

Not that I think your argument had any merit to begin with, but considering it was demonstrably ignorant and wrong, I luckily feel no need to debate you on it.
hood
Member
Wed Mar 27 18:06:29
Clearly forwyn is pulling the classic "HAHAHA LOOK HOW RETARDED I AM ITS JUST A TROLL" maneuver. No reason to bother responding at all, Nekran.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Mar 27 18:13:35
"demonstrably ignorant and wrong"

lulz. Because I didn't include a bullet point list of all conditions leading to immunodeficiency?

Demonstrate more then, please

@hood: just kys, it's not even fun joking with your whiny ass.
hood
Member
Wed Mar 27 19:35:36
You might need to update your definition of humor. You just aren't very funny.

But protip, since you're unlikely to give up: retarded things happening by pure happenstance? funny. Purposefully being retarded? not funny.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Mar 27 21:13:15
It's only half a joke anyway; but I have no interest getting in this dead horse discussion, so get butthurt about an offhand observation if you wish. Anti-vaxxers are a small population, overblown, and retarded. I get enough of rabid pro-vaxxers - that typically have no problem with unvaccinated Somalis shipping in and having measles outbreaks for them to blame on uneducated rednecks - on my traditional social media without it here.
hood
Member
Wed Mar 27 22:19:45
You realize that those unvaccinated somalis were the subject of heavy campaigning by the retarded anti vaxxers, right? It is, however, inappropriate to call anti vaxxers a small population. When herd immunity percents need to sometimes reach as high as 95% of the population, even a small minority is critical. A particularly disheartening example:
http://www...xx_rates_by_stateFC_CE2-01.png (don't worry, source is CDC)

So with herd immunity sometimes requiring 95% vaccination, seeing only 14 out of 50 states with 96% or more indicates that it is not overblown. It's a real fucking problem. And yes, that's California in red with Texas a deep blue. Doesn't really matter though. Everyone should be against the dipshits who don't vaccinate.

And I think you've again confused casual dismissal with butthurt. Butthurt would be telling someone to kill themselves because they called your faux retardation out.
kargen
Member
Wed Mar 27 22:59:20
I think your map is misleading and things might be worse. I looked at Colorado because I live here and the 80% is the percentage that is compliant. Compliant means they either are up to date on the vaccinations or have applied for exemption. The actual percentage of students entering kindergarten in Colorado for 2015-16 was 74.9% not quite two percentage points better than 2013-14.

If other states also report compliant instead of actually vaccinated those numbers may be way off.
murder
Member
Thu Mar 28 00:11:33

"But once that herd immunity disappears, everyone is at risk. That's why anti-vaxxers are so insidiously retarded. They don't just gamble with their own child's life, they gamble with the lives of other children too (and even adults)."

Aside from individual liberty issues ... you must realize that the immunodeficient remain immunodeficient even if everyone else subjects themselves to every vaccine known to man, right?

Sam Adams
Member
Thu Mar 28 00:23:18
Only bang antivaxx moms. If they get preggers, you only have to pay child support for a few years.
smart dude
Member
Thu Mar 28 01:33:07
^ lol
Nekran
Member
Thu Mar 28 01:41:04
"Because I didn't include a bullet point list of all conditions leading to immunodeficiency?"

Because none of them is a congenital defect (apart from infancy, I suppose). That that needed to be pointed out to you is kind of worrying.
kargen
Member
Thu Mar 28 02:06:40
"Aside from individual liberty issues"

Your individual liberties are only guaranteed to the point they do not infringe on others liberties.

and while your other point is true it really doesn't matter in the context of the conversation. They still have less chance of catching something if everybody around them is protected from that something.
hood
Member
Thu Mar 28 06:39:40
See, Sam made a good joke.


"you must realize that the immunodeficient remain immunodeficient even if everyone else subjects themselves to every vaccine known to man, right?"

You really don't understand how vaccines work in populations. It's ok. Just understand that the immunodeficienct stay safe from these diseases.
Forwyn
Member
Thu Mar 28 12:58:07
"Because none of them is a congenital defect (apart from infancy, I suppose). That that needed to be pointed out to you is kind of worrying."

Wait, wait, wait. Are you taking the position that no immunodeficiencies are congenital?

lulz
Nekran
Member
Thu Mar 28 16:49:10
The ones I listed, you dolt.
Forwyn
Member
Thu Mar 28 20:57:54
So again, you made a non-point, because I never suggested that congenital defects are the only underlying cause of immunodeficiency.

But thanks anyway
murder
Member
Fri Mar 29 09:01:58

"Your individual liberties are only guaranteed to the point they do not infringe on others liberties."

WTF is that supposed to mean? You do not have the individual liberty to force vaccination on others.



"and while your other point is true it really doesn't matter in the context of the conversation. They still have less chance of catching something if everybody around them is protected from that something."

Let me translate that for you ... "They still have less chance of catching something if everybody around them is forced to inject themselves with something that they believe is potentially harmful."

Plenty of lives would be saved, including the lives of many children, if we adopted a universal speed limit of 10 mph.

Plenty of lives would be saved by a ban on the sale/consumption of alcohol.

Plenty of lives would be saved by increasing taxes.

People aren't even willing to be inconvenienced to save lives, and you want to force people to inject themselves and their children with something that they believe is potentially harmful?

murder
Member
Fri Mar 29 09:08:05

"You really don't understand how vaccines work in populations. It's ok. Just understand that the immunodeficienct stay safe from these diseases."

Relatively safe ... from these particular diseases ... but not from others.

People who are vaccinated are not completely safe, even with the effect of herd immunity. Clearly the immunodeficient would be even less so.

And the world is full of shit that could kill them aside from these few diseases.

If they want to remain safe, the solution is to not expose themselves to things that may kill them.

hood
Member
Fri Mar 29 09:14:45
"WTF is that supposed to mean?"

You don't have the freedom to act recklessly and endanger others. Refusing vaccinations is reckless at best.


"You do not have the individual liberty to force vaccination on others."

If you refuse to accept the requirements of participating in society, remove yourself from society. No more entering public spaces, no outside contact with anyone. That's your trade off for deciding to recklessly endanger others.

Driving faster than 10 mph isn't reckless. Taxes aren't reckless. Consumption of alcohol that isn't reckless is perfectly legal; reckless consumption of alcohol comes with penalties (public intoxication laws).

Tldr: you're retarded. Get vaccinated or GTFO. And especially GTFO if you are going to spout nonsense about not vaccinating or "dangers" of vaccinating.
hood
Member
Fri Mar 29 09:16:45
"Relatively safe"

Ok, you're just blatantly retarded. See above comment about getting the fuck out.
murder
Member
Fri Mar 29 10:50:48

"you're retarded."

You think you have a right to tell other how to live, and you think I'm retarded?


"Driving faster than 10 mph isn't reckless."

Speed increases the number and severity of accidents.


"Taxes aren't reckless."

Failing to adequately fund things such as healthcare for the uninsured and the CDC is extremely reckless. As is failure to fund all manner of other things.


"Consumption of alcohol that isn't reckless"

Right. Because impaired judgement isn't reckless at all.


"Get vaccinated or GTFO."

I'll do as I damn well please, and you will learn to deal with it.


hood
Member
Fri Mar 29 10:54:15
Think? I'm quite positive. You're unabashedly retarded. I'd almost go so far as to say that you're clinically retarded.

Please die, quickly, and don't pass along any of your retarded ideas to the rest of the population. Fucknuts like you actually get people dead.
kargen
Member
Fri Mar 29 14:11:34
murder you know you've gone way off the deep end when you have me getting on board with hood.

Your solution is basically everybody get in a bubble and wait for death and the end of humankind. Trying to have children can cause death so we can't have any of that procreating nonsense going on.
cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist
Fri Mar 29 15:23:07
Consumption of alcohol that isn't reckless"

Right. Because impaired judgement isn't reckless at all.'


Drinking one or two beer doesn't really impair your judgement. You do know there are people that can have a drink and not get drunk, right?
murder
Member
Fri Mar 29 17:04:49

"Your solution is basically everybody get in a bubble and wait for death and the end of humankind. Trying to have children can cause death so we can't have any of that procreating nonsense going on."

Well you sure as hell can't have the government mandating it, can you?

I'm not telling anyone to get in a bubble. I'm saying that people are responsible for their decision to leave the bubble ... and they have to deal with what they have chosen to expose themselves to.

The idea of mandatory vaccinations is even more outrageous than outlawing peanuts and peanut products because some people are extremely allergic to them.

This is a classic division between those who believe in individual liberty and those who believe that you are property of the state.
murder
Member
Fri Mar 29 17:10:14

"Drinking one or two beer doesn't really impair your judgement. You do know there are people that can have a drink and not get drunk, right?"

Drunk isn't where impairment and diminished judgement begin.

That's why some people like/need to have a drink or two to "loosen up" in social situations ... or to dance.

hood
Member
Fri Mar 29 17:24:11
"murder
Member Fri Mar 29 17:04:49

I'm a blithering idiot"

I agree. You are indeed an idiot.
kargen
Member
Fri Mar 29 21:14:45
No what you are saying is it is okay for others to come up and pop your bubble.

I'm among the biggest advocates in these forums for less intrusion by the government but I also understand when government is needed.

If you have the right to not vaccinate shouldn't the rest have the right to shun you for your decision?
murder
Member
Fri Mar 29 22:27:15

You can, but government can't.

hood
Member
Fri Mar 29 22:50:58
Certainly it can.
Paramount
Member
Tue Apr 09 12:54:24
New York mandates vaccine to contain Brooklyn measles outbreak

New York Mayor Bill de Blasio declared a public health emergency across part of Brooklyn on Tuesday, ordering all residents receive the measles vaccine in a bid to contain an outbreak of the disease.

The order concerns all people residing or working in four zipcodes of Williamsburg, northwest Brooklyn, an area with a high ultra-Orthodox Jewish population where many oppose vaccines on religious grounds.

"Those who have not received the MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) vaccine or do not have evidence of immunity may be given a violation and could be fined $1,000," said a statement from the mayor's office.

http://afp...klyn-measles-outbreak/a/JoOm0P

It looks like the Mayor of New York is now prepared to punish the jews if they refuse vaccination.
murder
Member
Tue Apr 09 17:35:58

I love the hysteria driving this. Before the measles vaccine was developed we had < 500 measles related deaths per year in the US.

More people die while masturbating.

There's no data to support that, but I'm sure that it's true.

Forwyn
Member
Tue Apr 09 17:56:17
Rifles kill 400 people a year, but women still support bans, buybacks, and confiscations.
kargen
Member
Tue Apr 09 18:52:18
Yeah but masturbating is something you do to yourself. Measles you tend to share.
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