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Sam Adams
Member
Thu Apr 25 14:36:27
Dems gotta pump up the african vote.
Rugian
Member
Thu Apr 25 14:38:29
You can tell that Dems think they have this election in the bag when they're literally clamboring for letting death row inmates vote for them. That party is completely lost to sanity.
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Apr 25 15:48:51
Ya trump could actually win again if those retards keep this up and nominate some criminal loving freedom hating communist like booker, bernie, kamala, warren etc.
hood
Member
Thu Apr 25 16:31:48
Some of Warren's proposals have actually been pretty good ideas. They would need to be worked on to be feasible, quality legislation, but being roughly in the ballpark is a pretty good step for a candidate.
Rugian
Member
Thu Apr 25 16:39:19
"Some of Warren's proposals"

Like jailing execs for civil offenses? Or mandating that corporations carry our government directives via stakeholder mandates?

I can only assume you're not referencing more of her overtly desperate "please please get me through primaries" maneuvers, like calling for packing the Supreme Court, supporting GND, or calling for Trump's impeachment over...whatever.

God she's hateable.
hood
Member
Thu Apr 25 16:54:17
"Like jailing execs for civil offenses?"

Yes, like jailing execs for gross negligence when handling sensitive information of millions of people. Of course, I'd expect that stance to be negotiated down from there into the "heavy fines" range, which is a significant and necessary step up from "pretend to slap their wrist."

You seemed to defend extreme stances when Trump was making them, citing it as a negotiating tactic. Now you're suddenly against it?
Rugian
Member
Thu Apr 25 16:59:16
I see. So you have just explicitly come out in favor of jailing people for non-criminal offenses.

I know the charge "anti-American" gets thrown around quite a lot, but frankly I dont know what else to call someone who supports such a fundamental upending of our country's legal system.
Nekran
Member
Thu Apr 25 17:05:31
"Ya trump could actually win again"

I fully expect him to.
hood
Member
Thu Apr 25 18:50:46
It's almost like the law would make it a criminal offense.
patom
Member
Fri Apr 26 06:54:34
There are roughly 2500 inmates on death row. Of that number, how many of them do you think are really focused on the next election?

In Maine. All inmates have the right to vote. In the 8 years I worked in a county jail there were, to my knowledge only 2 inmates that asked for absentee ballots.

For one thing, I learned that most people who end up behind bars don't give a shit about politics while they are behind bars. They have many other concerns to worry about. Most centered around themselves and their immediate wants.

Does anyone really feel that the Boston Marathon bomber, if he actually votes, will effect the outcome of any election?

If you commit a felony in Mississippi, even of the lowest level, say perjury, you will be banned from voting for life. I wonder why that is?
McKobb
Member
Fri Apr 26 14:21:31
If inmates have their right to go get a cheeseburger truncated it seems having their right to vote be truncated to cheeseburger time.
obaminated
Member
Fri Apr 26 15:26:05
they are handing trump his reelection. who the fuck is dumb enough to stand on stage and say mass murderers in jail deserve the right to vote? dem front runner Sanders, that's who.
hood
Member
Fri Apr 26 16:17:28
If only people weren't retarded enough to just assume everyone in jail, or even a significant portion of the jailed population, are mass murderers (or even murderers at all).

It's a lot more reasonable to give weed smokers the right to vote.

see:
http://upl..._Sentences_in_State_Courts.pdf

A full half of felons (per 2006 data) were in jail for drug, weapons, or unspecified reasons. Violent criminals were under 20%. I'm fine with 80% of felons (based on this 2006 data) being given the right to vote.

It should also be noted that murderers were under 1%.
kargen
Member
Fri Apr 26 19:23:42
You commit the crime knowing if caught losing your right to vote is part of the punishment. I don't mind some kind of process to get the right to vote back but part of that process is finish serving your jail and subsequent parole time.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Apr 26 20:06:05
"weapons"

And this includes shithole states like California where people have spent years catching felonies just for owning a 30rd magazine.
hood
Member
Fri Apr 26 20:27:13
"if caught losing your right to vote is part of the punishment."

Unless, you know, we change that. Laws as they exist today doesn't mean they need to keep existing that way. If one is proposing a law to allow felons to vote, they believe that the aforementioned punishment should not be a punishment.
McKobb
Member
Fri Apr 26 20:39:17
If the cheeseburger can't be obtained, you must abstain!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Apr 26 21:20:22
Israel lets prisoners vote and they can't be criticized
kargen
Member
Fri Apr 26 21:20:52
Sure we can change that. I don't see it as a good idea to allow felons to vote until they have served the rest of their sentence though. And if we decide they should be able to vote from jail it shouldn't be retroactive because again they knew the consequences.
hood
Member
Fri Apr 26 21:57:37
"it shouldn't be retroactive"

Ah yes, those unequal rights. Fuck off, tard.
McKobb
Member
Fri Apr 26 23:58:25
"Vote Trump or get Thumped!"
-skinhead jailhouse campaign slogan
kargen
Member
Sat Apr 27 04:32:19
Unequal how? Did they not know the consequences of their actions?

And either way I think if you are still serving your sentence no vote for you.

The insult means you have no valid point.

Thanks for conceding the argument.
patom
Member
Sat Apr 27 05:36:34
Good Lord you guy's act like there are millions of incarcerated felons that are so civic minded that they can't wait to vote. Hell most of the country can't get 50% of legal voters out to vote in a national election 35% on local elections.

All this furor is much ado about nothing.
hood
Member
Sat Apr 27 10:05:58
You weren't making a point worth discussing to begin with, kargen.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Apr 27 12:10:48
a better issue is that election day should be moved to Saturday... i think it's safe to say the number of religious people needing horse & buggy travel time has dwindled
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Apr 27 12:15:54
or a holiday might be even better as people might feel more of an obligation to vote... too bad so many people are idiots though
obaminated
Member
Sat Apr 27 12:24:24
Haha, it is pretty hilarious that hood and tw are actually attempting to justify this stupid argument. You are straight up giving trump his second term when you start saying the Boston bomber deserves to vote.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Apr 27 13:36:06
it's only Bernie's argument that i'm aware of, & i certainly don't consider it a good issue to fight for

Klobuchar is my top choice at the moment
hood
Member
Sat Apr 27 14:15:57
Mt: waaaaah, murderers voting!
Sanity: actually most felons are convicted on mostly bullshit charges - certainly nothing severe enough to revoke a basic right.
Mt: ahahahahahaha my argument was voided but I'm gonna proclaim victory anyway!

Do you tire of being the mental equivalent of a potted plant?
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Apr 27 14:22:36
One could argue that it's one step up from Retard Rod, who was just the pot.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Apr 27 14:35:19
Do felons actually give a shit about voting as an aggregate? I'd think they care about more immediate concerns, like having their 2A rights restored, being able to get a decent job, and maybe getting some compensation for the time they spent in a cage for a victimless crime.

But I understand it's more expedient for D politicians call for increasing their own tallies.
hood
Member
Sat Apr 27 14:52:22
"Do felons actually give a shit about voting as an aggregate?"

Then the harm is...?
Forwyn
Member
Sat Apr 27 15:16:09
Oh, I don't care. Just seems secondary.
hood
Member
Sat Apr 27 15:19:03
Also, the right to vote >>>> 2A rights. Cause, ya know, without the right to vote, people can take away 2A rights and you're powerless.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Apr 27 15:23:49
Works the other way. Without the right to defend your other rights, all rights are at the whim of the voting masses.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Apr 27 15:24:04
Works the other way, too*
hood
Member
Sat Apr 27 15:29:30
A few people with guns just = more criminals. You're in fantasy land if you think an insurrection would ever be successful.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Apr 27 16:35:46
There are just as many successful revolutions throughout history as unsuccessful ones. This current iteration of government and society will not be perpetual.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Apr 27 17:13:34
Wait, wait...let me try this. How to those two fuckheads do it?

"Muh guns"
Forwyn
Member
Sat Apr 27 17:26:28
"being able to get a decent job, and maybe getting some compensation for the time they spent in a cage for a victimless crime."

But sure, you wanna get hone in and get triggered by people being able to exercise their 2A rights. That's your prerogative, retard.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Apr 27 17:32:36
Wait, wait, I got this.

But sure, you wanna get hone in and get triggered by people putting absolutely anything above their 2A rights. That's your prerogative, retard.
obaminated
Member
Sat Apr 27 17:46:51
Haha hood genuinely thinks people in jail should be able to vote. Prime example of how out of touch the left has become with common sense.
patom
Member
Sat Apr 27 18:19:06
Inmates in Maine have the right to vote. It hasn't stopped Republicans from being elected.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Apr 27 18:30:29
"people putting absolutely anything above their 2A rights."

Yeah, I'm reasonably certain in my belief that if you took a survey of ex-cons, they would rank employers not being able to immediately blacklist them with a background check, being able to defend themselves with better than a black powder pistol, or being compensated for their zero-income months/years in a cage, far higher than being able to vote for their next school board member.

You want to make that about "muh guns", that's still on you, retard.
hood
Member
Sat Apr 27 18:59:58
Do you have anything productive to say, Audrey II, or are you just going to laugh and continue parasiting off of society?
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Apr 27 20:13:39
Sorry, I assumed you were playing the game where you post retarded strawman positions. It certainly appeared to be what you were doing. But you're definitely contending for one step above the "potted plant" category right now. Congrats on that!
Rugian
Member
Sun Apr 28 09:12:19
hood
Member Sat Apr 27 15:19:03
"Also, the right to vote >>>> 2A rights."

And yet, outside of House elections, only one of those rights is explicitly enshrined in either the original Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
Rugian
Member
Sun Apr 28 09:13:09
Also, the Founders were pretty clear on their intent that it be the educated classes that vote, not the population generally.
patom
Member
Sun Apr 28 09:54:29
Plus they didn't allow women to vote or anyone who wasn't a property owner and white.
Tea Party wants/wanted to return to the original Constitution just like the John Birch Society. Both sponsored by the Kochs.
hood
Member
Sun Apr 28 11:27:01
"And yet, outside of House elections, only one of those rights is explicitly enshrined in either the original Constitution or the Bill of Rights."

I never claimed that the Constitution or its authors were infallible. Clearly they made an error when it comes to voting rights.
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