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Sam Adams
rank Mon May 13 21:02:10 2019
http://mob...Park/status/974645778558980096

tumbleweed
rank Mon May 13 21:13:08 2019
maybe Mackworth House is where criminally insane toolmen are confined

smart dude
rank Tue May 14 07:47:28 2019
Weapons of mass construction.

Nice job, Seb. Hey, as long as there's no guns it's totally worth it to devolve into a nation of mindless zombies who can't be trusted to assemble their own furniture.

Seb
rank Tue May 14 09:44:42 2019
Police are able to confiscate these things if they have good reason to think they are to be used as weapons. This does not mean they will confiscate tools from anyone and everyone.

Given these were likely confiscated from kids, despite the ridiculous tweet, I do not doubt they were being carried as weapons.

Sam Adams
rank Tue May 14 16:22:53 2019
Seb actually defends this?

Cuck level = supreme

Seb
rank Tue May 14 16:59:18 2019
Sam wants gang members to not be stopped by police?

Normally be wants them shot.

Nimatzo
rank Tue May 14 21:06:03 2019
_-Sebsession-_

Fragrance by Sam Adams

Sam Adams
rank Tue May 14 21:44:35 2019
"Sam wants gang members to not be stopped by police?"

Sure. Stop suspicious people. But arrest them for carrying pliers?

Seb
rank Tue May 14 23:22:17 2019
Who said anything about arrest?

Sam Adams
rank Tue May 14 23:31:11 2019
Ok confiscate. Confiscate a pair of pliers and then brag on twitter about how pliers are dangerous weapons. You realize how retarded that is.

Seb
rank Wed May 15 00:03:01 2019
Sam:

You've been going on about all the stabbings. What do you think the 13-17 year olds involved in these are using? K-bars? Cavalry swords?

Predominantly improvised shivs. Half a set of scissors, screwdrivers etc. Pliers looks like someone trying a bit hard and cant lay his hands on anything decent.

The areas referred to in the tweet are inner city housing estates.

If the police find a bunch of loitering kids who should be in school, they stop and search them on reasonable grounds and confiscate this stuff because they aren't skipping school to rewire the bushes in the park. Mostly they carry this stuff for fear that every other youth is carrying something - and most are defacto members of gangs in some form or another - "from another block".

So the police, given the circumstances, make a big show of having disarmed people as both a deterrent and attempt to remove the main reason people are carrying improvised weapons.

In the States you'd probably just not bother with the confiscation, just zap them with a teaser, sit on them until they suffocate, and claim you were in reasonable fear of your lives.

Sam Adams
rank Wed May 15 01:05:20 2019
Shooting scum is a much better deterrent than confiscating a pair of pliers and then making a weakass twitter post about it.

Seb
rank Wed May 15 08:27:39 2019
Zeig Heil mein fuhrer, ve will shoot ze children loitering in ze park. Ze victory vil be magnificent!

Sam Adams
rank Wed May 15 17:43:45 2019
Says the guy who wants police to ban speech he disagrees with.

Dumbass.

Seb
rank Wed May 15 17:55:56 2019
Sam:

Not speech I disagree with. In any case, you are advocating murdering kids now, on the basis of class and race.

And yet you deny you are a Nazi.

Sam Adams
rank Wed May 15 19:25:14 2019
No, on the basis of being violent criminals.

Dumbass.

Seb
rank Wed May 15 21:25:49 2019
Well no, because there is no evidence that these individuals committed any crime and the biggest reason for kids carrying improvised shivs is self defense.

So you really are just for murdering them for being poor and black. Scum, as you put it.

I don't know why you bother.

Forwyn
rank Wed May 15 22:03:09 2019
But robbing them for being poor and black is acceptable, apparently

Seb
rank Wed May 15 22:59:59 2019
Forwyn:

Confiscating improvised weapons on reasonable grounds isn't robing, Forwyn.

Sam Adams
rank Wed May 15 23:32:57 2019
"A pair of pliers is a weapon"

-cucks

Seb
rank Wed May 15 23:41:43 2019
Sam couldn't kill an unarmed child with a pair of pliers. Must be a quadraplegic

Sam Adams
rank Thu May 16 00:23:48 2019
Like i said. Uk is forever cucked.

Forwyn
rank Thu May 16 04:09:34 2019
"Confiscating"

A nice word to use from a position of power. From the position of a poor, unprivileged youth in a society that levers systemic racism against them, they owned the tools and had them stolen with the underlying threat of force. <3

"improvised"

I don't see an ounce of improv there. Nothing to distinguish them from regular tools.

"Sam couldn't kill an unarmed child with a pair of pliers."

What grown man would use a pair of pliers to kill a child? That would slow you down.

Seb
rank Thu May 16 08:30:01 2019
Forwyn:

I guess it's common in the US for a groups of 15 year olds to hang around in the central park of an inner city estate notorious for gang fights each carrying one tool.

Flash mob to, er, rewire the trees? Gosh you are trusting chap. One might say naive and gullible.

"What grown man"

They aren't grown men.

Seb
rank Thu May 16 08:30:11 2019
Forwyn:

I guess it's common in the US for a groups of 15 year olds to hang around in the central park of an inner city estate notorious for gang fights each carrying one tool.

Flash mob to, er, rewire the trees? Gosh you are trusting chap. One might say naive and gullible.

"What grown man"

They aren't grown men.

Forwyn
rank Thu May 16 19:54:56 2019
Well, it's certainly not common in the US to stop and frisk some kid walking down the sidewalk and steal his pliers.

"They aren't grown men."

You made a snide comment about a grown man using pliers to kill a child. I'm just curious as to how the pliers pictured in the OP would expedite the process.

Seb
rank Thu May 16 23:13:02 2019
"Well, it's certainly not common in the US to stop and frisk some kid walking down the sidewalk and steal his pliers. "

https://ww...widened-americas-racial-divide

https://en...orfeiture_in_the_United_States

"You made a snide comment about a grown man using pliers to kill a child."
Evidently he cannot conceive how they could be used as such.

Seb
rank Thu May 16 23:14:23 2019
https://www.akti.org/confiscated-knives-knife-owners/

Seb
rank Thu May 16 23:15:30 2019
The scenario is, unfortunately, all too familiar: a knife owner is stopped by police while carrying and the police officer confiscates the knife. Sometimes this happens when the knife owner is arrested, but often the police officer, mistaking the knife as contraband (an item illegal to possess), takes the knife and doesn’t arrest the owner. In the mind of the police officer, they are doing the person a favor – like giving the knife owner a warning instead of a speeding ticket.

If the knife truly is contraband, this is an act of mercy on the part of the officer. But often legal knives are confused with illegal knives, even in jurisdictions with straightforward knife laws. This is because the wide variety of knife designs do not easily fit into legal categories in the law. For example, assisted opening knives are often confused for switchblades.

Seb
rank Thu May 16 23:16:52 2019
Granted, pliers are an odd one and highly contextual.

But I think the above shows that in many states US police powers are wider and more frequently used.

Sam Adams
rank Thu May 16 23:50:48 2019
Sebs nation of cucks strikes again.

This time they included a spoon in their confiscations!

http://mob...ark/status/1128259712984735744

Sam Adams
rank Thu May 16 23:51:39 2019
A spoon is now considered a dangerous weapon by sebs police force.

For real.

Forwyn
rank Fri May 17 03:05:54 2019
Where are the places you are most likely to be stopped and have innocuous weapons seized from you in the US?

-DC
-NYC
-Chicago
-Cali

i.e. the places closest in policy to the UK

smart dude
rank Fri May 17 07:57:23 2019
I'm really glad they took that file away. They might have tied someone down and filed away at them and after 1,000 years the victim might be dead.

Confiscating tools = good police work because "they might be used as weapons." LOL.

smart dude
rank Fri May 17 07:58:45 2019
I guess it's up to the police to decide what my intentions with legal objects are. And if they decide I might try to hurt someone with them then they can steal them from me. What if they were going to use their intelligence to plot a crime? Maybe the police should confiscate their heads too.

Seb
rank Fri May 17 08:00:39 2019
Forwyn:

https://ij...2015/11/figure-7-updated-3.jpg

They take your cash in the US instead.

Seb
rank Fri May 17 08:10:59 2019
Smart dude:

Why do you think a group of kids are carrying around a collection of tools (one item each) like this, while loitering in the central park of an estate? One notorious for youth gang fights and stabbings, most conducted with improvised shivs. A single screwdriver tucked into their wasteband. Clearly, he is a trainee engineer who is looking for his first job to tighten an m3-5 Philips cross head so he can afford to buy the next screwdriver in the set. One day, he'll be able to work his way up to a posidrive.

And the chap with a file, will he was just going to give people street pedicures, but only has a metal file. He will now go hungry.

Glad to see not much gets past detective smart dude. He's astute. He knows the street. He'd off to find a coffee & doughnut shop.

No it's not up to the police. If stopped, you get a receipt. You can challenge the police as to whether they had probable cause etc. They have to have probable cause to carry out the search.

And as I've pointed out, most of the US had the exact same powers and more so, they just use it for extortion of cash and property for sale.

smart dude
rank Fri May 17 09:22:04 2019
"One day, he'll be able to work his way up to a posidrive."

And if it's real good one day he'll be able to buy a powerdrill, aka a fully automatic assault screwdriver.

Seb
rank Fri May 17 13:06:53 2019
Well, not really. Bit hard to stab someone with a drill.

Seb
rank Fri May 17 13:12:50 2019
What's your angle exactly here - basically we should ignore kids stabbing eachother with shivs; legalise guns, and have them shoot eachother with ar15s; and police not use confiscation powers to take objects worth under £5 but take their cash instead to fund policing?

It's an unusual take I have to say.

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Sam Adams rank	Mon May 13 21:02:10 2019 http://mob...Park/status/974645778558980096
tumbleweed rank	Mon May 13 21:13:08 2019 maybe Mackworth House is where criminally insane toolmen are confined
smart dude rank	Tue May 14 07:47:28 2019 Weapons of mass construction. Nice job, Seb. Hey, as long as there's no guns it's totally worth it to devolve into a nation of mindless zombies who can't be trusted to assemble their own furniture.
Seb rank	Tue May 14 09:44:42 2019 Police are able to confiscate these things if they have good reason to think they are to be used as weapons. This does not mean they will confiscate tools from anyone and everyone. Given these were likely confiscated from kids, despite the ridiculous tweet, I do not doubt they were being carried as weapons.
Sam Adams rank	Tue May 14 16:22:53 2019 Seb actually defends this? Cuck level = supreme
Seb rank	Tue May 14 16:59:18 2019 Sam wants gang members to not be stopped by police? Normally be wants them shot.
Nimatzo rank	Tue May 14 21:06:03 2019 _-Sebsession-_ Fragrance by Sam Adams
Sam Adams rank	Tue May 14 21:44:35 2019 "Sam wants gang members to not be stopped by police?" Sure. Stop suspicious people. But arrest them for carrying pliers?
Seb rank	Tue May 14 23:22:17 2019 Who said anything about arrest?
Sam Adams rank	Tue May 14 23:31:11 2019 Ok confiscate. Confiscate a pair of pliers and then brag on twitter about how pliers are dangerous weapons. You realize how retarded that is.
Seb rank	Wed May 15 00:03:01 2019 Sam: You've been going on about all the stabbings. What do you think the 13-17 year olds involved in these are using? K-bars? Cavalry swords? Predominantly improvised shivs. Half a set of scissors, screwdrivers etc. Pliers looks like someone trying a bit hard and cant lay his hands on anything decent. The areas referred to in the tweet are inner city housing estates. If the police find a bunch of loitering kids who should be in school, they stop and search them on reasonable grounds and confiscate this stuff because they aren't skipping school to rewire the bushes in the park. Mostly they carry this stuff for fear that every other youth is carrying something - and most are defacto members of gangs in some form or another - "from another block". So the police, given the circumstances, make a big show of having disarmed people as both a deterrent and attempt to remove the main reason people are carrying improvised weapons. In the States you'd probably just not bother with the confiscation, just zap them with a teaser, sit on them until they suffocate, and claim you were in reasonable fear of your lives.
Sam Adams rank	Wed May 15 01:05:20 2019 Shooting scum is a much better deterrent than confiscating a pair of pliers and then making a weakass twitter post about it.
Seb rank	Wed May 15 08:27:39 2019 Zeig Heil mein fuhrer, ve will shoot ze children loitering in ze park. Ze victory vil be magnificent!
Sam Adams rank	Wed May 15 17:43:45 2019 Says the guy who wants police to ban speech he disagrees with. Dumbass.
Seb rank	Wed May 15 17:55:56 2019 Sam: Not speech I disagree with. In any case, you are advocating murdering kids now, on the basis of class and race. And yet you deny you are a Nazi.
Sam Adams rank	Wed May 15 19:25:14 2019 No, on the basis of being violent criminals. Dumbass.
Seb rank	Wed May 15 21:25:49 2019 Well no, because there is no evidence that these individuals committed any crime and the biggest reason for kids carrying improvised shivs is self defense. So you really are just for murdering them for being poor and black. Scum, as you put it. I don't know why you bother.
Forwyn rank	Wed May 15 22:03:09 2019 But robbing them for being poor and black is acceptable, apparently
Seb rank	Wed May 15 22:59:59 2019 Forwyn: Confiscating improvised weapons on reasonable grounds isn't robing, Forwyn.
Sam Adams rank	Wed May 15 23:32:57 2019 "A pair of pliers is a weapon" -cucks
Seb rank	Wed May 15 23:41:43 2019 Sam couldn't kill an unarmed child with a pair of pliers. Must be a quadraplegic
Sam Adams rank	Thu May 16 00:23:48 2019 Like i said. Uk is forever cucked.
Forwyn rank	Thu May 16 04:09:34 2019 "Confiscating" A nice word to use from a position of power. From the position of a poor, unprivileged youth in a society that levers systemic racism against them, they owned the tools and had them stolen with the underlying threat of force. <3 "improvised" I don't see an ounce of improv there. Nothing to distinguish them from regular tools. "Sam couldn't kill an unarmed child with a pair of pliers." What grown man would use a pair of pliers to kill a child? That would slow you down.
Seb rank	Thu May 16 08:30:01 2019 Forwyn: I guess it's common in the US for a groups of 15 year olds to hang around in the central park of an inner city estate notorious for gang fights each carrying one tool. Flash mob to, er, rewire the trees? Gosh you are trusting chap. One might say naive and gullible. "What grown man" They aren't grown men.
Seb rank	Thu May 16 08:30:11 2019 Forwyn: I guess it's common in the US for a groups of 15 year olds to hang around in the central park of an inner city estate notorious for gang fights each carrying one tool. Flash mob to, er, rewire the trees? Gosh you are trusting chap. One might say naive and gullible. "What grown man" They aren't grown men.
Forwyn rank	Thu May 16 19:54:56 2019 Well, it's certainly not common in the US to stop and frisk some kid walking down the sidewalk and steal his pliers. "They aren't grown men." You made a snide comment about a grown man using pliers to kill a child. I'm just curious as to how the pliers pictured in the OP would expedite the process.
Seb rank	Thu May 16 23:13:02 2019 "Well, it's certainly not common in the US to stop and frisk some kid walking down the sidewalk and steal his pliers. " https://ww...widened-americas-racial-divide https://en...orfeiture_in_the_United_States "You made a snide comment about a grown man using pliers to kill a child." Evidently he cannot conceive how they could be used as such.
Seb rank	Thu May 16 23:14:23 2019 https://www.akti.org/confiscated-knives-knife-owners/
Seb rank	Thu May 16 23:15:30 2019 The scenario is, unfortunately, all too familiar: a knife owner is stopped by police while carrying and the police officer confiscates the knife. Sometimes this happens when the knife owner is arrested, but often the police officer, mistaking the knife as contraband (an item illegal to possess), takes the knife and doesn’t arrest the owner. In the mind of the police officer, they are doing the person a favor – like giving the knife owner a warning instead of a speeding ticket. If the knife truly is contraband, this is an act of mercy on the part of the officer. But often legal knives are confused with illegal knives, even in jurisdictions with straightforward knife laws. This is because the wide variety of knife designs do not easily fit into legal categories in the law. For example, assisted opening knives are often confused for switchblades.
Seb rank	Thu May 16 23:16:52 2019 Granted, pliers are an odd one and highly contextual. But I think the above shows that in many states US police powers are wider and more frequently used.
Sam Adams rank	Thu May 16 23:50:48 2019 Sebs nation of cucks strikes again. This time they included a spoon in their confiscations! http://mob...ark/status/1128259712984735744
Sam Adams rank	Thu May 16 23:51:39 2019 A spoon is now considered a dangerous weapon by sebs police force. For real.
Forwyn rank	Fri May 17 03:05:54 2019 Where are the places you are most likely to be stopped and have innocuous weapons seized from you in the US? -DC -NYC -Chicago -Cali i.e. the places closest in policy to the UK
smart dude rank	Fri May 17 07:57:23 2019 I'm really glad they took that file away. They might have tied someone down and filed away at them and after 1,000 years the victim might be dead. Confiscating tools = good police work because "they might be used as weapons." LOL.
smart dude rank	Fri May 17 07:58:45 2019 I guess it's up to the police to decide what my intentions with legal objects are. And if they decide I might try to hurt someone with them then they can steal them from me. What if they were going to use their intelligence to plot a crime? Maybe the police should confiscate their heads too.
Seb rank	Fri May 17 08:00:39 2019 Forwyn: https://ij...2015/11/figure-7-updated-3.jpg They take your cash in the US instead.
Seb rank	Fri May 17 08:10:59 2019 Smart dude: Why do you think a group of kids are carrying around a collection of tools (one item each) like this, while loitering in the central park of an estate? One notorious for youth gang fights and stabbings, most conducted with improvised shivs. A single screwdriver tucked into their wasteband. Clearly, he is a trainee engineer who is looking for his first job to tighten an m3-5 Philips cross head so he can afford to buy the next screwdriver in the set. One day, he'll be able to work his way up to a posidrive. And the chap with a file, will he was just going to give people street pedicures, but only has a metal file. He will now go hungry. Glad to see not much gets past detective smart dude. He's astute. He knows the street. He'd off to find a coffee & doughnut shop. No it's not up to the police. If stopped, you get a receipt. You can challenge the police as to whether they had probable cause etc. They have to have probable cause to carry out the search. And as I've pointed out, most of the US had the exact same powers and more so, they just use it for extortion of cash and property for sale.
smart dude rank	Fri May 17 09:22:04 2019 "One day, he'll be able to work his way up to a posidrive." And if it's real good one day he'll be able to buy a powerdrill, aka a fully automatic assault screwdriver.
Seb rank	Fri May 17 13:06:53 2019 Well, not really. Bit hard to stab someone with a drill.
Seb rank	Fri May 17 13:12:50 2019 What's your angle exactly here - basically we should ignore kids stabbing eachother with shivs; legalise guns, and have them shoot eachother with ar15s; and police not use confiscation powers to take objects worth under £5 but take their cash instead to fund policing? It's an unusual take I have to say.
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