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| Thu May 30 05:40:12|
Old Europe really needs it, that will save them from Russian captivity gas.
US Department of Energy is now referring to fossil fuels as “freedom gas”
The Department of Energy is on its path to "energy dominance" with bizarre re-branding.
Megan Geuss - 5/29/2019, 8:50 PM
Call it a rebranding of "energy dominance."
In a press release published on Tuesday, two Department of Energy officials used the terms "freedom gas" and "molecules of US freedom" to replace your average, everyday term "natural gas."
The press release was fairly standard, announcing the expansion of a Liquified Natural Gas (LNG) terminal at the Freeport facility on Quintana Island, Texas. It would have gone unnoticed had an E&E News reporter not noted the unique metonymy "molecules of US freedom."
DOE Assistant Secretary for Fossil Energy Steven Winberg is quoted as saying, "With the US in another year of record-setting natural gas production, I am pleased that the Department of Energy is doing what it can to promote an efficient regulatory system that allows for molecules of US freedom to be exported to the world.”
Also in the press release, US Under Secretary of Energy Mark W. Menezes refers to natural gas as "freedom gas" in his quote: “Increasing export capacity from the Freeport LNG project is critical to spreading freedom gas throughout the world by giving America’s allies a diverse and affordable source of clean energy."
Slate notes that the term "freedom gas" seems to have originated from an event with DOE Secretary Rick Perry. Earlier this year, the secretary signed an order to double the amount of LNG exports to Europe, saying, “The United States is again delivering a form of freedom to the European continent. And rather than in the form of young American soldiers, it’s in the form of liquefied natural gas.”
A reporter at the order signing jokingly asked whether the LNG shipments should be called "freedom gas," and Perry said, "I think you may be correct in your observation."
If the DOE is still running with the term as a joke, then the wit in the Energy Secretary's office is bone dry. Ars contacted the DOE to see if "freedom gas" and "molecules of US freedom" are now going to be standard in department communication with the public. We are also curious if any potential drop in LNG exports could result in patriotism bloat. The DOE has not responded, though we'll update the story if it does.
According to the US Energy Information Administration (EIA), Canada, Mexico, South Korea, and Japan were the top importers of freedom gas last year. China, India, and the UK buy a smaller number of molecules of US freedom.
| Thu May 30 06:30:29|
Fifteen years ago, this would be the stuff of absurdist satire.
| Thu May 30 06:43:54|
Just a bunch of posturing so that when Dems retake the white house, they can claim Dems took away their freedoms. And their idiot supporters eat it up.
| Thu May 30 10:42:58|
"Fifteen years ago, this would be the stuff of absurdist satire"
Says the guy whose police force confiscates dangerous spoons.
| Thu May 30 10:48:35|
"Tuesday, two Department of Energy officials used the terms "freedom gas" and "molecules of US freedom" to replace your average, everyday term "natural gas."
That is retarded though. But hey, what do you expect from government functionaries
| Thu May 30 14:21:19|
"It will be better if we just get "our guys" in there."
"Says the guy whose police force confiscates dangerous spoons."
And threaten to arrest people who criticize them on social media for it
| Thu May 30 16:44:50|
Screwdrivers, not spoons.
And as pointed out, your police do it too.
And no, they don't threaten to arrest people who criticise then on social media.
But this is great: Americans are easy to control. You can fuck them over every which way, tell them it's freedom and as long as they think they are superior to someone else, they'll *let* you do it.
| Thu May 30 16:50:29|
"Screwdrivers, not spoons. "
Seb ignoring the spoon in the image in the last thread. Dumb.
| Thu May 30 16:52:49|
Yup. Spoon. Look to the left. Pwnt.
Its funny that seb is whining about abusing citizens when his police are confiscating spoons.
| Thu May 30 17:28:16|
Lol. That's not the post the last thread was about, which was a stop and search on an estate near regents canal; and clearly says this was collected on request from a charity shop (using a knife amnesty to dump unwanted/unsellable goods).
Sam's claiming this was confiscated in stop and search. Caught lying again.
| Thu May 30 17:31:37|
Love it, the image contains two actual honest to god swords and a machette and Sam zeros in on the single spoon.
| Thu May 30 17:34:30|
Oh ya, it was the pliers and screwdrivers that you confiscated, and the spoon was just a "dangerous item" you were given.
So much better.
| Thu May 30 18:07:59|
There is no spoon!
| Thu May 30 18:15:21|
"And no, they don't threaten to arrest people who criticise then on social media."
Officers from West Yorkshire Police Wakefield Rural wrote about a "small quantity" of cannabis they had confiscated from a young man on Tuesday in a post that has since been deleted from the social media site.
The force said it had banned "a number of people" from their Facebook page after the post received an onslaught of sarcastic comments.
Police Inspector Martin Moizer wrote a second message on Thursday warning people they could be prosecuted for writing "insulting, abusive or offensive" responses.
The initial post said: "Cannabis Seized. PCSO 687 Ian Campbell and PCSO 882 Ben Hughes attended Walton colliery nature park and seized a small quantity of Cannabis from a young man who was parked up alone.
"Walton Colliery nature park will be firmly on our patrol plan in the future to prevent this behaviour."
However, people online were less than impressed by their efforts.
One person wrote: "Wow that's put a dent in the war on drugs lol."
Following a barrage of cheeky responses, PCI Moizer stepped in.
He wrote: "Unfortunately we have had to ban a number of people from using this page today. I would like to remind everyone that this is a police page and whatever your thoughts on one of my officers seizing drugs in the community, being insulting, abusive or offensive can and will result in a prosecution under the Malicious Communications Act 1988.
"We will not overlook the significant harm that illegal drugs cause to our communities. We know from experience that this can progress from using what are perceived to be recreational drugs to more addictive and harmful substances and the resulting criminality used to fund their continued use.
"Please use this page with respect or you will be banned and maybe even prosecuted."
| Fri May 31 01:56:43|
soon freedome coke
freedom runnin shoes
| Fri May 31 06:48:02|
So, they didn't in fact threaten to arrest people criticising them for collecting spoons?
You are referring to a different force, a different crime (one that will get you arrested in the US) - and you need to go a lot further than criticism to hit malicious communications act.
Can you demonstrate that there were no tweets that would have fallen into that category? If not, why are you saying the reference was in relation to mere criticism?
Again, why don't you sort out your own country, were the police can confiscate cash without due process?
Believing myths about out countries is reassuring but your democracy is rotting before your eyes.
| Fri May 31 10:50:41|
"for collecting spoons"
Nah, for collecting a plant, which is clearly more justified. /s
"you need to go a lot further than criticism"
Per the police:
"insulting, abusive or offensive"
And arrests for social media posts have soared:
"Again, why don't you sort out your own country, were the police can confiscate cash without due process?"
You want to know the difference? I freely criticize asset forfeiture. I've made statements to the general effect that if it is attempted on me I'm probably going to die.
You, however, have spent years defending virtually every facet of your fascist shithole. Politicians don't even need to opt for a slow rot in the United Cuckdom, because you've freely given up your means of self-defense, and you'll happily proselytize without even receiving a paycheck.
| Fri May 31 11:09:42|
There are people in the US serving 25 year sentences for collecting plants.
"Per the police"
Great, but they reference the act so the words have the meaning as described in the act.
"I freely criticize asset forfeiture."
"years defending virtually every facet of your fascist shithole."
Incorrect. I was opposed to ASBOS and quite happy when they were phased out by the coalition.
The thing is, what you describe as fascist are often hyperbolic misrepresentation of legal powers that exist in nearly every democratic country; so can hardly be labelled fascist.
For example, pretty much every Western country words police the right to confiscate weapons in certain circumstances if they have probable cause.
Arguing this is unprecedented fascism when your own country affords police extreme leeway against prosecution, allows them to confiscate assets outside of any real sure process and runs budgets on the assumption they do so is *far* more an issue.
And do you talk about any of the other countries that confiscate knives from kids who are clearly carrying them as weapons in the middle of an epidemic of knife crime?
Because that's not easily accessible to the white noodle class population. Instead your partisan media focuses on the UK as a straw man for blatantly political posturing. These stories aren't about the UK at all: like the nonsense about life support, like the nonsense we used to have on drugs, on abortion, on teenage pregnancies - and most lately on how London is now a Muslim city - they are really about feeding the US population imagined horror stories to elicit a domestic response and support for a purely domestic agenda.
And there's nothing more fascist than propoganda of this type.
It is very, very sad. Your democracy is dying before your eyes, to your own support, because you are too busy convincing yourself that you have it better than counties you've been been to, never lived in, and have only a very distorted account of.
| Fri May 31 11:13:37|
Tl;Dr - marches by armed right wing paramilitaries carrying fascist symbols, chanting racist slogans and making threats to journalist = "Freedom of speech".
Prosecuting individuals for making specific threats = "Fascism".
You are fucked in the head mate. Nobody is looking at the US far right movement right now and thinking "you know, maybe we should be more relaxed on letting fascists issue threats on social media". They are thinking "Christ, it's happening again".
| Fri May 31 17:29:01|
"There are people in the US serving 25 year sentences for collecting plants."
Meanwhile in the UK:
"B Amphetamines, barbiturates, cannabis, codeine, ketamine, methylphenidate (Ritalin), synthetic cannabinoids, synthetic cathinones (for example mephedrone, methoxetamine) Up to 5 years in prison, an unlimited fine or both Up to 14 years in prison, an unlimited fine or both"
Clearly both nations have archaic as fuck laws re: cannabis, but even US jackboots aren't threatening to arrest people for lighting them up on Facebook.
"Great, but they reference the act so the words have the meaning as described in the act."
Lulz. Okay, it's fine for police to threaten to jail people for "insulting, abusive or offensive" comments, as long as they don't actually do it. Nothing chilling there.
For a first-world response to this behavior, I refer you to the US:
18 U.S. Code § 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law
"what you describe as fascist are often hyperbolic misrepresentation of legal powers"
"legal powers that exist in nearly every democratic country; so can hardly be labelled fascist."
Appeal to tradition. Just because lots of countries give broad discretionary powers to law enforcement and the judiciary to abuse the citizenry doesn't make it right.
"your own country affords police extreme leeway against prosecution"
This isn't as problematic as their widespread support among the populace - decreasing as Boomers die off, mind you - because it doesn't matter if you get an indictment when juries always let them off. You knew the system was fucked when they managed to get a conviction on MSgt Grisham.
It's the same reason that efforts to address forfeiture are currently so difficult in most jurisdictions; cop unions, which should be abolished posthaste, bitch and moan and whine and get their local Boomer population frothing at the mouth.
"Because that's not easily accessible to the white noodle class population."
Sure. It's not that your retarded fucking cops are bragging about it on social media. It's a fascist conspiracy by our - lol - right-wing media conglomerate.
"And there's nothing more fascist than propoganda of this type."
"They are thinking "Christ, it's happening again"."
Lulz @ your "hyperbolic misrepresentation". It's totally fascist to not want judges interfering with medical alternatives, or to object to importing hundreds of thousands of poorly educated theocrats and their knife-wielding spawn each year, and then need to have police stop and frisk people to address the ensuing "epidemic".
| Fri May 31 18:07:20|
"Meanwhile in the UK..."
Yeah, we have less restrictive laws - but the point I was making was the rampant hypocrisy in describing "confiscating drugs" as "collecting plants", as though they had randomly grabbed a bunch of flowers from someone.
" but even US jackboots aren't threatening to arrest people for lighting them up on Facebook. "
As I've pointed out, they aren't.
"Lulz. Okay, it's fine for police to threaten to jail people for "insulting, abusive or offensive" comments, as long as they don't actually do it. Nothing chilling there."
No you idiot, that isn't what I said at all. Much as you have described confiscating cannabis as "collecting plants"; what is meant by "insulting, abusive or offensive" within the context of the act the police reference goes significantly beyond simply saying some disobliging things about the police. Given you haven't presented the entire thread, it's kinda disingenuous to claim that, having specifically cited the actus reus of a specific act, they meant something entirely different.
And we've all seen enough footage of how US police officers deal with people they find even mildly offensive - and how some of those end up dead.
"Appeal to tradition. Just because lots of countries give broad discretionary powers to law
Who said these were broad powers, they are tightly proscribed. In the case above, the act is mentioned. Have you looked into the jurisprudence around the act, and into the twitter thread to try and determine what specific acts they might be referring to? Or have you instead taken it as a carte blanche to make sweeping assumptions; much in the same way you likened confiscating cannabis to "collecting plants"?
"doesn't make it right."
So, basically, in your view, every western country is fascist? Do you honestly think that's a meaningful use of the word?
"This isn't as problematic as their widespread support among the populace - decreasing as Boomers die off, mind you - because it doesn't matter if you get an indictment when juries always let them off. You knew the system was fucked when they managed to get a conviction on MSgt Grisham."
Indeed, which is why I find it absolutely absurd that you are having a fucking fit about police collecting knives from a charity shop and stopping kids who are blatantly carrying them as weapons in the UK; when we have far far more robust oversight of the police and afford them way less discretionary power - and the entire western world looks at the US police forces increased militarization, blatant disregard for civilian life, propensity to use lethal force, utter un-accountability and impunity and obvious culture of racism.
In the UK, there is an independent investigation (as in, independent of the police) which may trigger prosecution process *every time an officer discharges their firearm*.
We had a decade long inquiry on institutional racism when the police failed to properly investigate the murder of a black youths.
In the US, it is frequently the police that are murdering black youths.
So honestly, I find your protestations about fascism in the UK poor comedy.
"It's not that your retarded fucking cops are bragging about it on social media."
Bragging about collecting knives from a charity shop. I've already explained this three times. What the hell. Lets do it again. Right now, in London, there is an epidemic of knife crime (in the states, it would AR-15s of course). Partly, it's youth gangs, but its gone epidemic because most kids in certain parts of London are carrying weapons to "defend themselves"; only these are hormonal teenage boys so what starts out as sincerely being for defense because "everyone else has one so I better have one, even if it's actually a giant metal file because that's all I can get" becomes "I'm going to shiv you" if they get pissed off by some other person disrespecting them.
The point of the social media campaign is to be very visibly taking weapons out of circulation in order to:
1. convince as many people as possible that not only do they not need to carry weapons, carrying is very likely to land them in trouble.
2. de-normalise carrying weapons
3. convince other citizens that they are in fact doing something about the issue
This is not fucking rocket science. Nor is it fascism.
For fascism, see charlottesville
"It's totally fascist to not want judges interfering with medical alternatives"
Yeah, actually, it is totally fascist to want to violate due process and the rule of law.
"or to object to importing hundreds of thousands of poorly educated theocrats"
The UK has taken what, less than 10,000 Syrian refugees. The US has taken more.
"and their knife-wielding spawn each year"
Only it's the British kids with the kinves moron.
"and then need to have police stop and frisk people to address the ensuing "epidemic"."
See, here we go again - falsely conflating the non-existent refugees with the knife epidemic which isn't even prevalent amount Muslim communities but most prevalent in areas that are white and afro-Caribbean so are like, three to four generation Brits.
Is there something vaguely fascist about trying to externalize all social problems onto ethnic minorities while dehumanizing them?
Hmm. No. No. Definitely the police.
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