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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 07 21:40:19
so we know the idiot fraud child doesn't know how to close an umbrella, and now seems he may have never encountered, nor even heard of, a 'tour guide'...


regarding his D-day events w/ Macron:
"
You know, we had a — they call them the “guides.” And they were guiding us. They were telling us what happened and when.
"
Paramount
Member
Sat Jun 08 11:18:03
”we had a — they call them the “guides.” And they were guiding us.”


A guide who is guiding you? I’m shocked.


”They were telling us what happened and when.”

Sounds like the child had a great day :)
Rugian
Member
Sat Jun 08 20:51:11
I can think of at least two innocuous explanations for that. Nice to see that this is what the anti-Trump resistance is reduced to pretending to be outraged over though.

Meanwhile, here's an actual idiot fraud president who's apparently learned nothing about gun laws despite having been in office for nearly a decade:

"And some of you may be aware our gun laws in the United States don’t make much sense. Anybody can buy any weapon any time,” Mr. Obama said to a round of an applause, according to videos taken at the event.

“Without much, if any, regulation, they can buy it over the Internet, they can buy machine guns,” he said."

http://www...l-gun-laws-in-the-united-stat/

Either he's telling outright lies about America to world audiences, or he legitimately doesn't know any better because he was just an empty suit to be used by his liberal backers to implement their far-left policies while he was in the White House...either way, completely unacceptable
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 11 11:41:29
"
We stupidly lost 30% of our auto business to Mexico. If the Tariffs went on at the higher level, they would all come back, and pass. But very happy with the deal I made
"
~ inglorious retard


i guess he doesn't want all our auto business to come back :/
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 13 13:01:35
so Trump says he'd happily accept help from hostile foreign powers next election, insisting nothing wrong w/ it & FBI director is wrong

fun fact: one of the only 2 reasons Don Jr was not charged was you need to know its wrong to be criminally liable (the other reason was it wasn't clear the info was of sufficient value... there WAS info though you hardly hear about it, only their lie about it being about adoptions)... being legal was NOT a reason he was not charged

so... open season on accepting foreign aid next election as no way to prove anyone knows its wrong w/ the President saying it's fine

the law & order President

are Republicans outraged? NOPE, they say 'meh, he didn't mean it' & bring up Hillary

the country is lost
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 13 13:10:25
i've seen two R congressmen say flat out 'i think most people would call the FBI & that Trump would too'

even though Trump just said yesterday he would NOT & is repeatedly defending that view today

wtf is wrong w/ these people...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 13 15:51:26
aww, Sarah 'my-claims-aren't-based-on-anything' Sanders is leaving... no more daily press briefings... that haven't happened in over 3 months...

also, the Office of Special Counsel recommends Kellyanne Conway be fired for repeatedly violating the Hatch Act, although that decision is up to 'law & order' Trump so no expectation of anything there
Rugian
Member
Thu Jun 13 16:51:41
Tw ITT: "If a foreigner starts freely giving information to the President, he should immediately cover his ears and yell 'LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU"

Unbelievable. No wonder you believe the (debunked by Mueller) collusion narrative if your thresholds are this low.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 13 17:01:19
hey, guess what, you're repeating Trump's total nonsense

it is illegal to take foreign contributions (including anything of value, of which information would be)... that is the law

feel free to review where Mueller analyzed Don Jr's Trump Tower meeting... nowhere does he say "well this was completely legal so we didn't analyze it"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 13 17:16:16
Laura Ingraham was outraged!... outraged that Trump's handlers let George Stephanopoulos ask Trump questions... obviously the amoral retard can't be expected to answer simple questions properly
Rugian
Member
Thu Jun 13 17:21:35
If Mueller had found evidence of collusion he would have said so. You can't even use the "well he didn't find obstruction but he's also muddling his findings and hedging his bets because he's a DC swamp creature" argument here. No collusion.

It's illegal to accept information that came from a foreign source? Someone should dig up McCain's corpse and put him on trial for the Steele memo then.
Forwyn
Member
Thu Jun 13 17:24:04
"it is illegal to take foreign contributions (including anything of value, of which information would be)... that is the law"

Like a foreign intelligence compiling documents based on Kremlin chatter?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 13 19:10:28
there WAS collusion, there was no criminally actionable conspiracy... although that isn't particularly relevant to this discussion

as to the Steele argument R's (& Forwyn) are leaping onto (as simply criticizing the unfit criminal fraud piece of shit is too mush to bear for the spineless weasels)... a US firm hiring Steele to investigate Trump's dealings in Russia actually IS legal
(of course they are misrepresenting it as much as possible... just like they pretend the dossier was integral in the investigation into the Trump campaign... when actually it was only used as PART of the info to get a FISA warrant on a nobody who had already left the campaign)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 13 19:51:54
let's make it simple, Trump says the FBI director is wrong... who should we believe? The guy who lies every time he speaks and demonstrates no knowledge on any topic -or- literally anyone else who ever existed?
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jun 14 11:03:36
ROFL, you fucking shill. It's legal to act through a firm to obtain foreign dirt but not as an individual.

ROFL
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 14 11:26:46
you feel Steele was making a donation or contribution to the Hillary campaign?

you see no difference in Don Jr getting an email saying the Russian gov't wants to help them win & he sets up a meeting w/ top people?

who would you even charge in the Steele case?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 14 11:40:06
The head of the Federal Election Commission released a statement on Thursday evening reiterating, emphatically, that foreign assistance is illegal in U.S. elections.

“Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election,“ wrote Ellen Weintraub, chairwoman of the FEC. “This is not a novel concept.“

She also sent the statement via Twitter with the introductory line: “I would not have thought that I needed to say this.“

http://www...election-foreign-trump-1364598

do we trust Trump? ... or the FBI director & head of the FEC about election law

sadly there are many people who trust Trump...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 14 12:06:20
on Fox News today, Trump saying 'of course i'd call the FBI'... and that 'he doesn't think anyone would ever try to do it as they know he loves his country so much'... a weird thing to say & suggests he doesn't even understand the issue... probably because he's a retarded child


standard Trump: say whatever pops into your brain cell, if it plays well stick with it even if proven false, if not then pretend you never said it
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jun 14 14:43:21
Both enlisted the help of foreigners gaining intel to use in an election.

The distinction is only apparent to shills.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 14 15:42:38
and to the law
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jun 14 16:33:01
Christopher Steele isn't a foreign national?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 14 17:59:49
if Steele had, on his own, done the investigating and brought it to the campaign you'd have something

working for a firm hired by a campaign is not illegal

...or else all the mexican caterers Trump undoubtedly hired for his events, given he does everything on the cheap, would be illegal contributors

although one might argue Steele & Hillary are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT at the moment... but feel free to try to figure out who & how to charge someone in the Steele case if you want to


the current President having no attachment to truth, ethics, & law is more concerning imo
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jun 14 19:26:38
So let me get this straight

You think that receiving info for free is treason

But paying for it is A-okay

And you're ignoring the mention of "solicit"

rofl
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 14 19:35:49
I didn't say treason, but yes it's against the law

and yes paying Steele was A-okay... although they didn't pay Steele... they paid a firm who hired Steele (but legal either way)

not my opinions, that's the law

we've known of Steele for years, if Rs could've charged someone they would've tried... although, agai, not sure who you'd even consider charging
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jun 14 19:43:17
"It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national"

Firm solicits foreign national

"A-okay"

rofl
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 14 20:41:11
laugh all you want, it's at the law not me

It makes sense that hiring someone is different, Steele can't expect any favors or have any leverage
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jun 14 22:47:44
You're right, a cash exchange for secrets is different than a NSA offering

Rofl
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 14 23:03:37
what exactly are you rofling at?

it IS the law
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jun 14 23:05:52
As quoted by you, soliciting foreigners for secrets is against the law

And as quoted by others, it's especially easy to prove when attached to a cash value - i.e. paying a foreigner is much easier to prosecute than a dead-end meeting with no strings attached
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 14 23:16:31
we wasn't solicited for info, he was hired to investigate

R's were been in charge of everything for 2 years and are still in charge of most things... where is ANY activity to charge _____ for hiring Steele?

there is none* as it was not illegal

*beyond the continuous stream on nonsense from Trump & his shills that 'the other side' did all the illegal stuff... WHERE IS THE ACTION?


Steele is a distraction in this case to cover for the unfit MORON president, who can't even grasp the concept of ethical behavior

just like Steele was used as a distraction in pretending Hillary/Steele started the Russia investigation for political reasons which is a total LIE, the dossier had NOTHING to do w/ the investigation

the R's sure getting a lot of mileage out of the completely legal oppo research of Steele & his non-fake dossier
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jun 14 23:17:10
damn... gotta proof-read more :p... meh
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jun 14 23:40:42
"we wasn't solicited for info, he was hired to investigate"

hE wAsN't sOlIcItEd, hE wAs jUsT sOlIcItEd

rofl
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 15 00:34:20
yes, law is hilarious

we are making tremendous progress in this debate where i am factually correct so there is no actual debate
Forwyn
Member
Sat Jun 15 01:49:44
Your own quote directly contradicts you, so maybe you just don't understand the meaning of the words you posted
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 15 02:02:27
the law is referring to contributions... if you don't like the way that person phrased it i don't really care

Steele was legal... and wholly irrelevant

as noted, if there was a crime there, it would've been pursued doggedly already as all the disgraceful R's protecting Trump would've loved to do so... instead just constant insinuations because they know the public is easy to fool, especially Trump fans
American Democrat
Member
Sat Jun 15 04:54:11
Leave it to Forwyn to further muddy the waters in regards to the actual application of Fusion GPS and how firms such as this operate.

On paper regarding Steele; the action was not illegal based upon the individual being an employee and not independently contracted by either campaign to acquire information only to be utilized by Fusion GPS.

However, because of the information that was obtained and it was based on information from an individual that was closely associated with the Trump campaign, it caused the FBI to conduct an investigation. Coincidentally if the information was used by Clinton to further her campaign it would have left her liable.

Therefore, based on by proxy, the narrative or propaganda was pushed to focus on Steele because he was foreign which ignored the critical facts to the matter. And it appears that someone in particular is still pushing that continuance. Call it trolling or just being purposely dense.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Jun 15 11:02:11
A lot of words to say that paying foreigners for opp. research based on Kremlin chatter is A-okay

But receiving it directly for free is not

Nevermind that the charges pursued in such cases would be campaign finance violations. lulz
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 15 11:25:17
"it caused the FBI to conduct an investigation"

this part is not true... the investigation began long before the FBI saw the dossier, the only known use of the dossier (which had parts that matched what the FBI already knew, not a fake dossier, not written by Hillary) was that a portion of the dossier was used as part of the info to obtain a FISA on Carter Page, a fake advisor to the fraud campaign (the campaign had put out a list of fake unvetted advisors to pretend to be a legit campaign... Carter Page says he had meetings w/ Trump but meant he attended rallies...) & Page had already left the campaign before the FISA went into effect
(yet, "OMG, they used info from Hillary to spy on Trump!!!!")


in any case, AG Barr so far is acting like a corrupt piece of garbage & seems intent on finding wrong-doing (by him repeatedly suggesting in public interviews that there was wrong-doing before having any evidence) so if he can squeeze out any charges related to Steele or anyone else, i'm sure he will... even so, i will be shocked if there is a foreign donation charge in regards to him
American Democrat
Member
Sat Jun 15 13:12:01
tumbleweed, it caused the FBI to investigate the dossier based upon corroboration via other sources, thus causing the FBI to conduct the investigation thereof.

Forwyn,

"A lot of words to say that paying foreigners for opp. research based on Kremlin chatter is A-Okay"

It's fine that you want to deescalate as "chatter" but it does not negate the fact that in fact everything Fusion GPS did was legal. I gave specifics where it would have been an issue.

"Nevermind that the charges pursued in such cases would be campaign finance violations."

Addressed in my post already.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 15 13:19:58
i just wanted to clarify since the Trump/Fox News/Gaetz/Nunes/Meadows/Jordan/etc. cabal have worked hard to convince their audience that the dossier started the whole Trump campaign/Russia investigation & that evil-incarnate Hillary created the dossier thus it was all a political sham
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 15 13:33:57
"
The United States is stepping up digital incursions into Russia’s electric power grid in a warning to President Vladimir V. Putin and a demonstration of how the Trump administration is using new authorities to deploy cybertools more aggressively, current and former government officials said.

...

Pentagon and intelligence officials described broad hesitation to go into detail with Mr. Trump about operations against Russia for concern over his reaction — and the possibility that he might countermand it or discuss it with foreign officials, as he did in 2017 when he mentioned a sensitive operation in Syria to the Russian foreign minister.

...
"

http://www...s/trump-cyber-russia-grid.html

a good idea... absolutely ridiculous that it's necessary but it certainly is... hard to doubt the story is accurate, who would want to reveal any info to the mentally-ill dishonest unethical moron who trusts Putin more than our own people
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 15 15:59:08
"
The Corrupt News Media is totally out of control - they have given up and don’t even care anymore. Mainstream Media has ZERO CREDIBILITY - TOTAL LOSERS!
"
~ Donald "With the exception of the late, great Abraham Lincoln, I can be more presidential than any president that's ever held this office" Trump
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 15 16:03:11
"
The Trump Economy is setting records, and has a long way up to go....However, if anyone but me takes over in 2020 (I know the competition very well), there will be a Market Crash the likes of which has not been seen before! KEEP AMERICA GREAT
"
~ ...sigh
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 16 12:41:36
"
A poll should be done on which is the more dishonest and deceitful newspaper, the Failing New York Times or the Amazon (lobbyist) Washington Post! They are both a disgrace to our Country, the Enemy of the People, but I just can’t seem to figure out which is worse? The good news is that at the end of 6 years, after America has been made GREAT again and I leave the beautiful White House (do you think the people would demand that I stay longer? KEEP AMERICA GREAT), both of these horrible papers will quickly go out of business & be forever gone!
"
~deranged individual-1
patom
Member
Sun Jun 16 13:40:42
I'm just waiting for Trump to trump up a national emergency and declare Martial Law. At which time he will declare himself King of America. With absolute power of life and death over his minions.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 16 15:38:34
that'll be November 4, 2020... the day after Trump loses in a landslide (sanity-willing)

he will declare the fake media, deep state & massive fraud voting created an illegal election & not accept the results
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 16 17:07:40
so...
-some news place revealed Trump campaign polling showing him losing in many key states

-Trump called it fake news & claimed his campaign polls actually show him winning in every state they've polled (sounds likely, right?)

-Trump campaign admitted the polls were accurate

-Trump firing his pollsters to eliminate the leak

-Trump fans are outraged at him being caught lying to their faces yet again


...one of those didn't happen
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 16 22:04:43
wtf...

http://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1140449814334902273

how is this thing the president...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 16 23:54:33
Mike Pompeo seems as much garbage as AG Barr

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1140296627011371008

how dare you play the words that Trump said... they obviously mean something completely different
patom
Member
Mon Jun 17 04:57:29
Trump threw Chief of Staff out of the Oval Office for coughing while he was speaking.

At least we know how to shut Trump up. I hope to God there are Republican debates next year to see if anyone will cough while Trump rambles on.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 17 11:16:15
and he was a boiling pot of rage about it

spinning bullshit requires intense concentration
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 17 13:41:35
Netanyahu announced a "Trump Heights" community in the Golan Heights


could be as fraudulent as most Trump deals though...

"Whoever reads the fine print in this 'historic' decision understands that it is a phantom decision," Zvi Hauser, an advocate of international recognition of Israeli sovereignty in the Golan, said on Twitter. "There is no budget, there is no planning, there is no place, and there is really no binding decision," he added.

------

i'm sure it'll still secure Trump's undying devotion however
patom
Member
Mon Jun 17 15:05:12
In the mean time there are literally thousands of streets named after Trump in the US and possibly around the world. 'oneway'
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 18 11:21:23
Orlando Sentinel editorial board:

"
We’re here to announce our endorsement for president in 2020, or, at least, who we’re not endorsing: Donald Trump.

Some readers will wonder how we could possibly eliminate a candidate so far before an election, and before knowing the identity of his opponent.

Because there’s no point pretending we would ever recommend that readers vote for Trump.

After 2½ years we’ve seen enough.

Enough of the chaos, the division, the schoolyard insults, the self-aggrandizement, the corruption, and especially the lies.

...

"
<w/ cont'd analysis of the shitbag>

http://www...b5ngf3irllodwxnznui-story.html


here's hoping lots come out of the woodwork w/ the same view, especially those who've had to work under his 'leadership'... or whomever Trumfox zombies might actually not dismiss
Rugian
Member
Tue Jun 18 11:23:05
Orlando Sentinel endorsed Hillary in 2016. Safe to say they were never on the Trump train.
Paramount
Member
Tue Jun 18 11:29:19
Next thing Boeing is gonna rename their airplane to 737 Trump.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 18 14:24:04
many (all?) respected conservatives share the same concerns as the Orlando Sentinel
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 18 18:32:06
"I don't think [Trump]'s lied about anything"
~ old guy at Trump rally...

...

........................


Dukhat
Member
Wed Jun 19 03:29:35
These people live in their own bubbles and echo chambers. Old people were never trained to use facebook. Their minds can't separate fact from fiction at the scale and speed of the internet. Even millennials and Gen Y'ers have issues with it.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 19 11:31:46
yeah, i blame Fox News mostly

but being unable to detect lies from such an obvious liar is disturbing

i'm guessing after the rally he didn't feel lied to either
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