Utopia Talk / Politics / INCIDENT OF 3 JULY 1988

swordtail rank	Wed Jul 03 16:43:21 2019 Iran Air Flight 655 was a scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas, that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by an SM-2MR surface-to-air missile fired from USS Vincennes, a guided missile cruiser of the United States Navy. The aircraft, an Airbus A300, was destroyed and all 290 people on board, including 66 children, were killed.[1] The jet was hit while flying over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, along the flight's usual route, shortly after departing Bandar Abbas International Airport, the flight's stopover location. Vincennes had entered Iranian territory after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits.[2][3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
swordtail rank	Wed Jul 03 16:43:35 2019 http://twitter.com/steffanwatkins/status/1146386597232992256
Paramount rank	Wed Jul 03 18:11:52 2019 The USA are gangsters. Just saying.
Allahuakbar rank	Wed Jul 03 18:46:35 2019 They will achieve nothing with it. If Iran shoots down their own planes then the passengers will all become martyrs, no harm done. Usanian infidels just don't get it that we can never lose against them.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Jul 03 19:58:34 2019 Muslims complaining about airliners being targeted? Lol ok.
Forwyn rank	Wed Jul 03 20:06:41 2019 I mean, yeah, we spend a decade giving chemical weapons to Saddam to perpetrate a war of conquest, and when Iran starts mining gulf waters, we sink half their navy and trespass into their waters to shoot down their jetliners in their airspace, because we can't tell up from down and fail to squawk on civilian channels
Sam Adams rank	Wed Jul 03 20:24:07 2019 Bandar Abbas is a joint use/military airfield and the aircraft was flying from there towards a us warship that was fighting iran at the time. It was pretty justifiable.
kargen rank	Wed Jul 03 20:34:17 2019 One problem with your post Forwyn. The UN determined the chemical make-up of the weapons Iraq had matched those manufactured in France. Each country had their own unique blend for their chemical weapons so it was easy to determine where the chemical weapons came from. There was one other country in Europe that used a near copy of what the French used so the UN didn't completely rule out the weapons came from that country.
Forwyn rank	Wed Jul 03 20:58:38 2019 The aircraft was ascending in an internationally recognized civilian air corridor in the general direction of a warship trespassing in Iranian territorial waters* fixed
Sam Adams rank	Wed Jul 03 21:11:17 2019 "The aircraft was ascending in an internationally recognized civilian air corridor" So? An iranian plane with hostile intent couldnt do that?
Forwyn rank	Wed Jul 03 21:37:27 2019 Sure. So once they a) begin descending, b) ignore squawking (civilian jetliner did not, but clearly they were not on military channels), c) leave Iranian airspace, It's a clean shoot
Sam Adams rank	Wed Jul 03 22:10:40 2019 a) utterly irrelevant. an aircraft does not need to be descending to attack. b) this means nothing. an enemy aircraft could easily transmit a fake transponder signal with. Futhermore muslims use commercial airliners as weapons. c)irrelevent. The iranians had attacked the cruisers helo, giving the cruiser the moral and legal right to enter iranian waters to hunt the attackers. The cruiser gave the plane ample chances to respond to radio messages, and then correctly killed it after it failed to do so. It was a clean shoot. If i am captain or weapons officer, im 100% killing that plane. Im engaged in battle with iranian gunboats and a bogey lifts off from one of irans chief military airports and heads in my direction? Easy fucking choice. Kill it.
Forwyn rank	Wed Jul 03 22:23:35 2019 a) Then why did the military insist for three years that the aircraft was descending in an attack pattern? b) Naval personnel made earnest attempts to contact the jetliner. Much like their failure to delineate up from down, they also failed to account for time zone differences when checking airliner schedules. Further, they were not properly equipped for ATC communications, something that has since been addressed. "Futhermore muslims use commercial airliners as weapons." Well, Sunnis do - including the Stark incident, in which we blamed Iranians even though it was an Iraqi incident. lulz c) Reportedly, they received some small-arms fire from some retard on a motorboat. Given that they also lied about their positioning and the movements of the jet, that's dubious. Not a malicious shootdown - just improperly equipped retarded enlistees, compounded by a couple decades of retarded foreign policy.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Jul 03 22:32:26 2019 "Then why did the military insist for three years that the aircraft was descending in an attack pattern?" PR idiocy?
Sam Adams rank	Wed Jul 03 22:46:26 2019 Certainly the us navy could have been more forthcoming in their public response. More importantly, iran could have not dispatched an airliner from a military airfield into a battle zone with a fucking deadly aegis missile destroyer. Thats like opening the door and letting your poodle out when a grizzly bear is in your yard.
Forwyn rank	Wed Jul 03 23:02:49 2019 I think it's fairly less reasonable to expect for the civilian airport to be aware that some speedboat had fired on an overextended helicopter, than for an intruding ship to account for their being on Bahraini time. They probably made the routine half-hour flight to Dubai and back ten times a day.
jergul rank	Wed Jul 03 23:22:39 2019 I think 1988 is a long time ago.
Forwyn rank	Thu Jul 04 00:07:18 2019 So is 1953, but we're still dealing with the blowback.
swordtail rank	Thu Jul 04 01:28:54 2019 July 03, 2019 On Eve Of 4th Of July Parade U.S. Attempts To Lure Iran Into Shooting Down Another U.S. Plane http://www...own-another-us-plane.html#more
Nekran rank	Thu Jul 04 05:57:17 2019 No surprise that Sammy would defend a retarded use of violence. Luckily for all of us, even the US military saw he was unfit.
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