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Asgard
Member Tue Jul 16 00:32:37
Craig is now replaced by a woman.

A black woman.

Yes, because apparently men are bad and white is bad, but why stop there? She should also be gay, trans, and Muslim, all at the same time, because equality is so cool.

What have you done, Seb?

Dukhat
Member Tue Jul 16 00:35:09
It's a rumor for one and even that rumor basically says she's not bond and just another agent. She's going to take number 007 when Bond retires and then Bond unretires for one last fight.

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/15/20695126/lashana-lynch-new-007-james-bond-phoebe-waller-bridge

So get over yourself.

Asgard
Member Tue Jul 16 00:39:55
Yes, of course she is not "bond".
She is, however, 007, and she does replace the lead, so that's basically that.

Dukhat
Member Tue Jul 16 00:45:49
She probably dies along with a shit-ton of other agents which gets Bond to come out of retirement.

It's all a way of shaking things up which the series needs because it's so predictable.

Forwyn
Member Tue Jul 16 00:56:43
When people said they wanted a black man as Bond, they were talking about Elba.

Paramount
Member Tue Jul 16 03:06:33
So what if 007 is a woman. Big deal. In the real world the MI5 is using female agents. Even Israel does. It's not for equality reasons. lol

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Tue Jul 16 03:32:55
Because it is lazy. They have been doing this for years now. Repackage an old franchise, ohh look Ghost Buster are all female! How creative! Ooh look Romeo and Julia, with the ROLES REVERSED! How avant garde! Ooh look the new Terminator movie all female cast with a Mexican girl replacing John Conner! How progressive!

You shit on old classic instead of creating new ones. I mean look at Mother, good movie, a new story, all female cast. Alita Battle Angel, great movie, female lead. We are reaching peak woke and I can’t wait for it to die out.

Paramount
Member Tue Jul 16 04:16:49
I'm waiting for a Seinfeldt-like comedy show where the lead characters are all authentic former jihad fighters from Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. That would be original, but comedy is not allowed in Jihad so it's not going to happen.

CrownRoyal
Member Tue Jul 16 09:40:08
they still have to make money, and not just a little profit, expectations for that franchise are huge. So if the new Bond girl movie fails, they will replace her as sure as they replaced others, like Dalton or Brosnan, after lackluster box office numbers. This is not necessarily to trash Dalton and Brosnan, there are Bond movies that are just bad, and couldn't be saved, even by Sean Connery on steroids

obaminated
Member Tue Jul 16 10:44:40
i like how cuckhat refuses to realize that this is clearly gonna be a thing. they are testing this out and are doing it for attention. but their end game is to make a movie starring a black female bond that wraps itself in the sjw cloak.

hood
Member Tue Jul 16 10:46:34
Nothing wrong with lady bond. But there are other double-0 numbers the agent could take and nobody would complain.

Rugian
Member Tue Jul 16 11:13:48
The new 007 is a black woman – don't make her a Bond girl

Noah Berlatsky

Online joy over Lashana Lynch inheriting James Bond’s codename may be premature. White men won’t give up their hero status so easily

Mon 15 Jul 2019 11.48 BST

Fans have been hoping for a black actor to play James Bond at least since 2012, when Idris Elba was first rumoured as a possible successor to Daniel Craig. The franchise seems to have finally come through; this weekend it was reported that Lashana Lynch is going to be the new 007.

There was much celebration on social media, which is understandable. But it may be a little premature. Casting black female actors as legacy characters is a great step towards rectifying the historical racism and sexism that has led to a disproportionate number of those characters being white men. But it’s only a step. Black women also need to be written with respect; they have to be presented as natural, worthy heroes who deserve to wear the cowl or cape or tux in question. Otherwise, the new hero just becomes another way to demonstrate that the real, worthy hero is the white guy.

There are numerous examples of this dynamic. One is the character of James Rhodes, who in various Marvel comics takes over from Tony Stark as the hero Iron Man. Rhodes is in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), too, and has long been presented as a kind of successor in waiting for Robert Downey Jr’s Stark.

But, despite being the heir to the Iron Man helmet, Rhodes has never managed to get much attention or respect in the MCU. He was first played in the original Iron Man film by Terrence Howard, but creative and money differences meant the actor was cut from Iron Man 2. The role was taken over by Don Cheadle, who got to suit up as War Machine, an Iron Man clone, in a number of MCU films.

After Stark dies in Endgame, though, it’s not Rhodes who is pushed forward as his heroic heir, but the white Spider-Man/Peter Parker (Tom Holland). Parker is willed access to Stark’s global weapons system in Spider-Man: Far From Home. He and the entire cast of that movie talk at length about who should pick up Stark’s legacy. The most obvious answer is Rhodes, the guy who’s been piloting the armour for years. But he’s not even mentioned; no one, apparently, remembers that he exists. Casting a black man as an important legacy character doesn’t matter much if you push him off to the side as soon as it’s his turn to put on the boots.

Netflix’s Marvel show Iron Fist dumped its POC legacy character even more dramatically. The martial arts master Iron Fist/Danny Rand was portrayed for two seasons by Finn Jones. In the last episodes of season two, the Iron Fist power, complete with chest tattoo, was passed to Colleen Wing, played by Jessica Henwick, an Asian woman. Jones never seemed comfortable in the Iron Fist role; his Danny Rand was a whiny nonentity, and he performed the fight choreography with a remarkable lack of conviction. Henwick was a much more likable and physically adept performer. It would have been exciting to see her in the title role. But as soon as it passed to her, Netflix cancelled the show.

Another instructive example is the character of Bonnie in the television show The Vampire Diaries. In the books that the series is based on, Bonnie is white. The showrunners, though, chose to cast actress Kat Graham. That was meant to be a progressive move. But, as Ebony Elizabeth Thomas argues in her book The Dark Fantastic, the results were mixed. The show’s creators cut out most of Bonnie’s romantic plot arcs and made her a much less sympathetic character than she is in the books. They may have been concerned that white viewers would have trouble identifying with a black character. Whatever their reasons, Thomas points out that the casting change alone was not enough to overcome the powerful impulse to treat black girls’ stories as secondary to those of their white counterparts.

It sounds as if the white, male Bond is still considered the best of the best, with Lynch relegated to a supporting role
The difficulty with changing legacy characters is that the original is generally seen as the iconic version, and successors are temporary and secondary. As a result, the non-white or non-male versions of the character can be treated as afterthoughts or sidekicks, or as mistakes to be quietly pushed from centre stage.

There are some counterexamples. The animated film Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse featured African-Latino Miles Morales as Spider-Man, and Morales did get to be the hero of the story, with Peter Parker serving as secondary support. Similarly, Jodie Whittaker’s Dr Who is unquestionably the star of her own episodes. Ocean’s Eight gender-swapped Ocean’s Eleven, and, while a couple of characters from the original franchise have cameos, they never steal the spotlight from the women (as if anyone could steal the spotlight from Rihanna).

So will the new Bond treat Lashana Lynch as the real, heroic, central 007? Early reports suggest maybe not. Supposedly, Lynch has inherited the 007 codename, and her mission is to ask Craig’s Bond to come out of retirement for a serious mission. That sounds as if the white, male Bond is still considered the best of the best, with Lynch relegated to a supporting role. It’s not hard to imagine her written as little more than another, slightly glorified Bond girl, who gets killed off halfway through.

Or the franchise could do better than that. If the plan is to set up Lynch to take over the mantle from Craig and helm a few Bond movies herself, that would be great. But it’s premature to give the film-makers too much credit. Experience suggests that, no matter what they say to the contrary, white guys are reluctant to pass their legacies on to anyone else.

http://amp...tor-lashana-lynch-daniel-craig

Cherub Cow
Member Tue Jul 16 13:33:01
“(as if anyone could steal the spotlight from Rihanna)“

Rihanna... that sounds familiar. Wasn’t she one of the side characters in “Battleship”?
;p

McKobb
Member Tue Jul 16 14:39:54
Ain't she the one that sings Hot Right Now?

Pillz
Member Tue Jul 16 16:41:28
That was a long dose of cancer

Rugian
Member Tue Jul 16 17:59:26
Pillz
Member Tue Jul 16 16:41:28
That was a long dose of cancer

Welcome to the daily joys of reading leftist media in a misguided attempt to be fair and balanced. I do not recommend it.

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Asgard Member	Tue Jul 16 00:32:37 Craig is now replaced by a woman. A black woman. Yes, because apparently men are bad and white is bad, but why stop there? She should also be gay, trans, and Muslim, all at the same time, because equality is so cool. What have you done, Seb?
Dukhat Member	Tue Jul 16 00:35:09 It's a rumor for one and even that rumor basically says she's not bond and just another agent. She's going to take number 007 when Bond retires and then Bond unretires for one last fight. https://www.vox.com/2019/7/15/20695126/lashana-lynch-new-007-james-bond-phoebe-waller-bridge So get over yourself.
Asgard Member	Tue Jul 16 00:39:55 Yes, of course she is not "bond". She is, however, 007, and she does replace the lead, so that's basically that.
Dukhat Member	Tue Jul 16 00:45:49 She probably dies along with a shit-ton of other agents which gets Bond to come out of retirement. It's all a way of shaking things up which the series needs because it's so predictable.
Forwyn Member	Tue Jul 16 00:56:43 When people said they wanted a black man as Bond, they were talking about Elba.
Paramount Member	Tue Jul 16 03:06:33 So what if 007 is a woman. Big deal. In the real world the MI5 is using female agents. Even Israel does. It's not for equality reasons. lol
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Jul 16 03:32:55 Because it is lazy. They have been doing this for years now. Repackage an old franchise, ohh look Ghost Buster are all female! How creative! Ooh look Romeo and Julia, with the ROLES REVERSED! How avant garde! Ooh look the new Terminator movie all female cast with a Mexican girl replacing John Conner! How progressive! You shit on old classic instead of creating new ones. I mean look at Mother, good movie, a new story, all female cast. Alita Battle Angel, great movie, female lead. We are reaching peak woke and I can’t wait for it to die out.
Paramount Member	Tue Jul 16 04:16:49 I'm waiting for a Seinfeldt-like comedy show where the lead characters are all authentic former jihad fighters from Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. That would be original, but comedy is not allowed in Jihad so it's not going to happen.
CrownRoyal Member	Tue Jul 16 09:40:08 they still have to make money, and not just a little profit, expectations for that franchise are huge. So if the new Bond girl movie fails, they will replace her as sure as they replaced others, like Dalton or Brosnan, after lackluster box office numbers. This is not necessarily to trash Dalton and Brosnan, there are Bond movies that are just bad, and couldn't be saved, even by Sean Connery on steroids
obaminated Member	Tue Jul 16 10:44:40 i like how cuckhat refuses to realize that this is clearly gonna be a thing. they are testing this out and are doing it for attention. but their end game is to make a movie starring a black female bond that wraps itself in the sjw cloak.
hood Member	Tue Jul 16 10:46:34 Nothing wrong with lady bond. But there are other double-0 numbers the agent could take and nobody would complain.
Rugian Member	Tue Jul 16 11:13:48 The new 007 is a black woman – don't make her a Bond girl Noah Berlatsky Online joy over Lashana Lynch inheriting James Bond’s codename may be premature. White men won’t give up their hero status so easily Mon 15 Jul 2019 11.48 BST Fans have been hoping for a black actor to play James Bond at least since 2012, when Idris Elba was first rumoured as a possible successor to Daniel Craig. The franchise seems to have finally come through; this weekend it was reported that Lashana Lynch is going to be the new 007. There was much celebration on social media, which is understandable. But it may be a little premature. Casting black female actors as legacy characters is a great step towards rectifying the historical racism and sexism that has led to a disproportionate number of those characters being white men. But it’s only a step. Black women also need to be written with respect; they have to be presented as natural, worthy heroes who deserve to wear the cowl or cape or tux in question. Otherwise, the new hero just becomes another way to demonstrate that the real, worthy hero is the white guy. There are numerous examples of this dynamic. One is the character of James Rhodes, who in various Marvel comics takes over from Tony Stark as the hero Iron Man. Rhodes is in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), too, and has long been presented as a kind of successor in waiting for Robert Downey Jr’s Stark. But, despite being the heir to the Iron Man helmet, Rhodes has never managed to get much attention or respect in the MCU. He was first played in the original Iron Man film by Terrence Howard, but creative and money differences meant the actor was cut from Iron Man 2. The role was taken over by Don Cheadle, who got to suit up as War Machine, an Iron Man clone, in a number of MCU films. After Stark dies in Endgame, though, it’s not Rhodes who is pushed forward as his heroic heir, but the white Spider-Man/Peter Parker (Tom Holland). Parker is willed access to Stark’s global weapons system in Spider-Man: Far From Home. He and the entire cast of that movie talk at length about who should pick up Stark’s legacy. The most obvious answer is Rhodes, the guy who’s been piloting the armour for years. But he’s not even mentioned; no one, apparently, remembers that he exists. Casting a black man as an important legacy character doesn’t matter much if you push him off to the side as soon as it’s his turn to put on the boots. Netflix’s Marvel show Iron Fist dumped its POC legacy character even more dramatically. The martial arts master Iron Fist/Danny Rand was portrayed for two seasons by Finn Jones. In the last episodes of season two, the Iron Fist power, complete with chest tattoo, was passed to Colleen Wing, played by Jessica Henwick, an Asian woman. Jones never seemed comfortable in the Iron Fist role; his Danny Rand was a whiny nonentity, and he performed the fight choreography with a remarkable lack of conviction. Henwick was a much more likable and physically adept performer. It would have been exciting to see her in the title role. But as soon as it passed to her, Netflix cancelled the show. Another instructive example is the character of Bonnie in the television show The Vampire Diaries. In the books that the series is based on, Bonnie is white. The showrunners, though, chose to cast actress Kat Graham. That was meant to be a progressive move. But, as Ebony Elizabeth Thomas argues in her book The Dark Fantastic, the results were mixed. The show’s creators cut out most of Bonnie’s romantic plot arcs and made her a much less sympathetic character than she is in the books. They may have been concerned that white viewers would have trouble identifying with a black character. Whatever their reasons, Thomas points out that the casting change alone was not enough to overcome the powerful impulse to treat black girls’ stories as secondary to those of their white counterparts. It sounds as if the white, male Bond is still considered the best of the best, with Lynch relegated to a supporting role The difficulty with changing legacy characters is that the original is generally seen as the iconic version, and successors are temporary and secondary. As a result, the non-white or non-male versions of the character can be treated as afterthoughts or sidekicks, or as mistakes to be quietly pushed from centre stage. There are some counterexamples. The animated film Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse featured African-Latino Miles Morales as Spider-Man, and Morales did get to be the hero of the story, with Peter Parker serving as secondary support. Similarly, Jodie Whittaker’s Dr Who is unquestionably the star of her own episodes. Ocean’s Eight gender-swapped Ocean’s Eleven, and, while a couple of characters from the original franchise have cameos, they never steal the spotlight from the women (as if anyone could steal the spotlight from Rihanna). So will the new Bond treat Lashana Lynch as the real, heroic, central 007? Early reports suggest maybe not. Supposedly, Lynch has inherited the 007 codename, and her mission is to ask Craig’s Bond to come out of retirement for a serious mission. That sounds as if the white, male Bond is still considered the best of the best, with Lynch relegated to a supporting role. It’s not hard to imagine her written as little more than another, slightly glorified Bond girl, who gets killed off halfway through. Or the franchise could do better than that. If the plan is to set up Lynch to take over the mantle from Craig and helm a few Bond movies herself, that would be great. But it’s premature to give the film-makers too much credit. Experience suggests that, no matter what they say to the contrary, white guys are reluctant to pass their legacies on to anyone else. http://amp...tor-lashana-lynch-daniel-craig
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jul 16 13:33:01 “(as if anyone could steal the spotlight from Rihanna)“ Rihanna... that sounds familiar. Wasn’t she one of the side characters in “Battleship”? ;p
McKobb Member	Tue Jul 16 14:39:54 Ain't she the one that sings Hot Right Now?
Pillz Member	Tue Jul 16 16:41:28 That was a long dose of cancer
Rugian Member	Tue Jul 16 17:59:26 Pillz Member Tue Jul 16 16:41:28 That was a long dose of cancer Welcome to the daily joys of reading leftist media in a misguided attempt to be fair and balanced. I do not recommend it.
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