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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 15 11:46:19
@Rugian where am i citing CNN? it's almost exclusively Trump tweets & Trump comments

people are INSANE to find him fit for office as it is crystal clear his mind is fucked up & his methods of making decisions are that of a child... as is how he eats, talks, writes, lives, & his level of knowledge
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 15 11:47:56
"
If President Xi would meet directly and personally with the protesters, there would be a happy and enlightened ending to the Hong Kong problem. I have no doubt!
"

WTF does that mean? Xi is a magical being of peace & enlightenment?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 15 11:54:13
this absurdly fucked up, unfit for office, tweet deserves a repost in this new thread:

"
It would show great weakness if Israel allowed Rep. Omar and Rep.Tlaib to visit. They hate Israel & all Jewish people, & there is nothing that can be said or done to change their minds. Minnesota and Michigan will have a hard time putting them back in office. They are a disgrace!
"
http://twi...ump/status/1162000480681287683

(& they did ban them, how could they not)

Netanyahu gave Trump cover to leave the Iran Deal w/ his Baby's First Powerpoint, now giving fuel for his bashing of Omar & Tlaib


unfit child just tweeted:

"Representatives Omar and Tlaib are the face of the Democrat Party, and they HATE Israel!"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 15 11:55:58
disclaimer: these opinions are my own (& that of rational thinking people)

again, i challenge Trump supporters to provide names of people who seem smart & respectable who support Trump himself
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 15 12:14:01
"
We disagree with Reps. Omar and Tlaib’s support for the anti-Israel and anti-peace BDS movement, along with Rep. Tlaib’s calls for a one-state solution. We also believe every member of Congress should be able to visit and experience our democratic ally Israel firsthand.
"
~AIPAC (the giant pro-Israel lobbying group for which it's anti-semitic to note their activities... Omar's 'benjamins' comments was about them, & which is proof she hates all jews)

they appear to disagree with the two criminal leaders
Paramount
Member
Thu Aug 15 12:35:12
”and they HATE Israel!”

I don’t think they do. But even if they did it’s not wrong to hate Israel. They are a terrorist state and are gangsters.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 15 12:40:09
agreed, hating israel should be fine if there wasn't an allegiance to them (which is anti-semitic to note)

more egregious is his claim they hate "all Jewish people"
(more singular proof of his unfitness for office... his absurdly insanely ridiculously high unfitness for office)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 15 12:44:44
"
The Fake News Media is doing everything they can to crash the economy because they think that will be bad for me and my re-election. The problem they have is that the economy is way too strong and we will soon be winning big on Trade, and everyone knows that, including China!
"
~ ...

you got that idiot horde? if there is any economic trouble it's the media (& the Fed's) fault, not Trump & his zero understanding of trade & economy

plus the media is the enemy of the people & trying to ruin America, but hopefully that won't inspire any more nuts as Trump totally doesn't mean to whip up any hostility...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 15 12:45:32
(& Trump's spewing of lies & nonsense will only get worse as election nears...)
Paramount
Member
Thu Aug 15 13:37:46
The Latest: Pelosi says entry denial beneath Israeli dignity

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is slamming Israel’s decision to deny admission to two Muslim-American congresswomen, calling the snub “beneath the dignity of the great State of Israel.”

The California Democrat, long a supporter of Israel, also said President Donald Trump’s statements attacking liberal Democratic Reps. Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar and encouraging Israel to block their planned visit is “a sign of ignorance and disrespect, and beneath the dignity of the Office of the President.”

http://apnews.com/1816b7fe15c849628408b33031e7ee87

As I said above. I don’t think these Democrats hates Israel. But what is clear is that Israel hates at least 50% of America and its values.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 15 13:46:32
we should be withdrawing aid over this insult rather than having a President advocate & cheer for it

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here's another intellectual conservative (Tom Nichols) on Trump's COMPLETE unfitness:

http://www...-republican-column/2013614001/

there sure are a lot of liberal Dems posing as conservative Republicans for years/decades

or maybe just maybe, Trump actually IS garbage
kargen
Member
Thu Aug 15 15:47:58
http://www...10/25th-amendment-trump-216267

and I like how you are finely admitting you are not a rationally thinking person though trying to lump them in with you shows you still have work to do. Admitting you have a problem is a start though.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 15 16:32:42
someone offering the opinion that the 25th Amendment probably couldn't be used isn't that relevant is it?

Trump is grossly unfit for office & should be removed, that's what's relevant
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 15 16:38:31
btw... he just suggested he lost New Hampshire in 2016 because of fraud voters...
kargen
Member
Thu Aug 15 17:45:12
You are the one that brought up the 25th amendment. Just wanted to make sure you knew it wasn't applicable.
Forwyn
Member
Thu Aug 15 17:50:38
I, for one, am ecstatic to see that "official BS by delusional fraud POTUS" has exceeded 1,000 comments.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 15 17:55:28
the author's conclusion is the 25th Amendment "probably shouldn’t" be used for Trump... hardly meaningful

plus you can just argue his defective brain is deteriorating (which will certainly seem the case as the election season continues... probably will get 'oBSbdfP' to over 25 threads)

however, given it requires the spineless worthless Senate to go along w/ it just like impeachment (in addition to other hurdles), impeachment is the more likely (unlikely) scenario
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 15 18:10:57
also of note: Stephanie Grisham (the new White House Press Secretary) claimed it was fake news that Trump tried to influence Israel to ban those women... however Trump today admitted he spoke to people in Israel (plus obviously did so w/ tweet)

so it's nice of them to let us know that the words of this new WH Press Secretary are as worthless as the prior ones

this administration = a total disgrace
kargen
Member
Thu Aug 15 18:31:38
The Democrats need to get the shit show started. They say they know of crimes President Trump has committed that warrant impeachment. If they really gave a fuck about the country they would start the process and get all those crimes on record.

Until then I'm guessing much like you they are practicing wishful thinking.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 15 19:03:41
are you still unaware of crimes by Trump?

how does Fox News (or your other sources) explain Muellers unresolved volume 2?
kargen
Member
Thu Aug 15 19:36:09
"Accordingly, while this report does
not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

The rest in relation to President Trump is filler.

I've seen some speculations and accusations. Haven't seen any indictments or convictions. If crimes are there why are Democrats wasting time? If we have a criminal in the White House they need to start doing something about it.

Appearing on MSNBC shouting racist does not count as doing something.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 15 21:26:28
so you don't understand he -couldn't- conclude Trump committed a crime no matter how many truckloads of evidence he had

whereas nothing prevented him from concluding Trumo did not commit a crime (which he did on conspiracy)

you're just being willfully stupid if you can't see Mueller is laying out crimes (as further proof he -does- explain why one instance doesn't fit the obstruction law {the lying about Trump Tower meeting}... so on others where he doesn't do that, he's clearly indicating he believes the crime commited)

but live in your world of lies, surely his house of unfit cards will eventually crumble
...and hopefully all his supporters and defenders will suffer (my patience is long gone :p )
kargen
Member
Thu Aug 15 23:44:23
Na I'm not being willfully stupid you are imagining that because you can do none other or your little imaginary world would collapse.

Again if there are crimes President Trump has committed the Democrats need to quit fucking around and act on it. Says volumes that most do not even want to try. And it isn't because they lack the Senate. Impeaching the president to watch the Senate fail to act would be something they could put out on the campaign trail.

But instead they go on every talking head program that will have them and cry out that the President and those who support him are Nazi or worse.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 16 01:45:17
Please explain why you think Mueller did not clear the President of obstruction... his whole job (as pointed out by shitbag Ratcliffe) was to make the call

yet he didn't... and he explained it quite clearly why in the report & later in his press event
(even though shitbag Ratcliffe pretended to not understand & wouldn't give him time to answer)

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"Says volumes that most do not even want to try"

your news sources fail you again
kargen
Member
Fri Aug 16 03:37:58
His job was to investigate Russian interference and collusion. Everything else that the investigation found was handed off for someone else to prosecute.

Why won't you answer my question? If he committed all these crimes why will the Democrats not do something about it?
Sounded like during the testimony Mueller said it was congress's job. So why are they not doing it?
jergul
large member
Fri Aug 16 08:14:40
Kargen
Because the GOP has a senate majority? You question should be why is the GOP not willing to do something about it?

Rugian
Member
Fri Aug 16 08:25:19
Jergul,

Clearly, because the GOP does not think that crimes were committed. And that's the point - the Democrats' charges are politically motivated accusations, not actual findings of facts.
patom
Member
Fri Aug 16 10:46:33
Sort of like the Republicans charges against the Clintons are politically motivated accusations, not actual findings of facts.
How many millions of dollars have they spent over the last 25 or so years investigating the Clintons?
Forwyn
Member
Fri Aug 16 10:57:55
"Please explain why you think Mueller did not clear the President of obstruction... his whole job"

No, it was not his job to prove a negative. Don't be retarded.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 16 11:39:39
"why will the Democrats not do something about it? "
um.. they are... that's why the White House keeps taking them to court over every document & witness

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as to Mueller, you deniers are NUTS

he lays out the obstruction crime elements for each scenario... he details how Trump fits or doesn't fit for each... there are multiple where Trump fits all

he -obviously- could charge under those circumstances (hence why 1,000+ prosecutors said they would have charged, no they aren't all tarnishing their reputation just because they hate Trump)


Mueller makes no decision, he says why on page 1 ('can't indict a sitting president')

-AT BEST-, you can say he -might- not have charged even if the shackles were off & even though Trump met all elements... that is the legitimate AT BEST for your claims (no spin)

although there are multiple indications to think he would have indicted, and zero suggesting he wouldn't...

the report says 'insufficient evidence of conspiracy'... it doesn't say that for obstruction

it notes 'preserving evidence' for future use by those who can act, and cites who could act (prosecutors after presidency, or congress)

it specifically notes 'if i could have cleared him i would have' with no reason to doubt it (as he did do it for conspiracy, and he did note why Trump didn't meet obstruction on one incident, plus offered possible defenses on some others)

so shut the fuck up with the 'it wasn't what he was investigating' or 'exoneration' not his role... if you want to be delusional, be delusional don't be dishonest

crimes are detailed, the ONLY reason no decision made was CLEARLY indicated because he could NOT indict a sitting president & that it would be unfair to accuse someone w/o charging them... that is it. There is NO OTHER interpretation.

(unless you believe Mueller is a deep state fraud liars who threw away his morals to go after an amazing honest lawful great leader who is the best thing ever for America... in which case the whole report is meaningless, plus that doesn't explain him not charging when he lays out a case for it, a corrupt guy would ignore the OLC opinion...)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 16 12:04:42
...as to Dems not acting faster, yes, that IS frustrating... but they want the public on board

and corrupt AG Barr did an excellent job of deliberately misleading the public on the Mueller report (as your lack of knowledge of it proves)

and yes he's corrupt and yes it was deliberate... as noted elsewhere, before report released he was asked by both reporters & congress if the OLC opinion was relevant to Muellers conclusions, and both times instead a clear obvious 'YES', he told a story that turned out to have NO meaning & that implied the OLC opinion had no relevance

PLUS Mueller himself told Barr that his summary was giving the wrong impression and Barr made NO updates

disgraceful, as is so much of this administration
kargen
Member
Fri Aug 16 15:19:04
jergul that is no excuse. The house can impeach on their own just like what happened to President Clinton. The Senate would then choose to prosecute or not. The Democrats want the Senate. If President Trump has committed crimes they need to be put on record then the Democrats can pressure Republicans in an election year. Generalizations and suggestions of non specific crimes isn't going to cut it. That is why they have moved from obstruction cries to cries of racist.
kargen
Member
Fri Aug 16 15:26:05
"it specifically notes 'if i could have cleared him i would have'"

Clearing the president of obstruction charges was not his objective and was not within the scope of the investigation. The investigation was centered on collusion and Russian interference.

If this is the slam dunk you think it to be the Democrats would have started impeachment proceeding months ago.

Congress could act now just as Mueller has stated. You need to really concentrate, clear your mind of the fog and ask yourself why.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 16 15:36:16
"suggestions of non specific crimes"

you are hopeless

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"Clearing the president of obstruction charges was not his objective"

what is wrong with you? it's not like the report doesn't exist, we aren't guessing at what's in it... Volume 2 is ENTIRELY about the obstruction of justice incidents and detailing them... he's not abandoning making a conclusion because it wasn't his original objective, he states it's ENTIRELY because of the OLC opinion

(plus obstruction only happens when investigating another crime, so it CANT be in his original purpose)

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"Congress could act"

they are

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i am legitimately concerned about how much misinformation you possess... & i see not much point arguing any of this further with you as you seem to know nothing at all that is accurate
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 16 17:57:56
Trump is tweeting again about Tlaib/Omar including:

"
Like it or not, Tlaib and Omar are fast becoming the face of the Democrat Party. Cortez (AOC) is fuming, not happy about this!
"


he asked Israel to ban them... why? to create this story (please offer another explanation)... just so he can create news stories & try again to make them "the face of the Democrat Party"... wholly disgusting & disgraceful

i couldn't tell you a single policy position of either
kargen
Member
Fri Aug 16 18:01:54
"what is wrong with you? it's not like the report doesn't exist, we aren't guessing at what's in it... Volume 2 is ENTIRELY about the obstruction of justice incidents and detailing them..."

that does nothing to negate my statement. Read up in the thread some. Take that not proving a negative comment to heart. Probably most important to this conversation statement that has been made.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 16 18:06:31
you love repeating STUPID Fox News/Republican talking points

as to proving a negative, i'll repost what i said:
"
the report says 'insufficient evidence of conspiracy'... it doesn't say that for obstruction
"
& nothing preventing him from saying it if it was the case, yet he doesn't, in fact he goes the opposite way

there is NO WAY you can read Vol 2 & say 'whelp, nothing there'

we're done on this, you are willfully ignorant of everything in Vol 2, thanks to Fox News or whatever other garbage place you get your info
kargen
Member
Fri Aug 16 18:12:16
Tlaib and Omar could have gone when around fifty other members of congress went to Israel. They decided not to go. The one claiming she just wanted to see her Grandmother one more time was granted permission to go but she said no. This was going to be a political stunt by these two and that is why we now have this in the news.

“Israel’s law prohibits the entry of people who call and operate to boycott Israel, as is the case with other democracies that prevent the entry of people whose perception harms the country,”

We all know both Tlaib and Omar fully support boycotting Israel.

And I think you have it backwards. I think Israel decided to ban them, gave President Trump the heads up and the president took advantage of that call to make his tweet before the announcement.

How quick it happened after the tweet is what makes me think this is what happened. That and Israel has been known to not really give a fuck about what we think in the past.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 16 18:20:52
actually i'm not done :p

let's look at 2 cases:

==============

Case #1) your delusional world where no obstruction found, would the report look different?

YES...

- all of the obstruction scenarios would have had Mueller noting why he didn't feel it fit one or more of the 3 elements of the crime (we -know- he would do this as he did do it for one instance) plus did same behavior in Vol 1 he went over why no charges for Don Jr explaining why he didn't fit elements of that crime

- there would be no "while this report does
not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him"
(and he starts on page 1 explaining why he would under NO circumstance be able to conclude Trump committed a crime)

- there would be no "if i could have cleared him i would have"

- it WOULD say 'we found insufficient evidence of obstruction' as he did for conspiracy

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case #2): Trump -did- commit obstruction, would the report look different?

NOPE.

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Case Closed.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 16 18:23:18
“Israel’s law prohibits the entry of people who call and operate to boycott Israel, as is the case with other democracies that prevent the entry of people whose perception harms the country”


this is the fake rationale

they had been approved for entry up until just now (after Trump's call(s) & tweet just days before leaving), their support of BDS is not new
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 16 18:27:06
...also regardless of who initiated it (although seems far more likely it was Trump, yet obviously we will never know as everyone involved is a liar) it's still DISGUSTING that he asked them to ban elected members of Congress plus claimed (again) that they hate all Jewish people
kargen
Member
Fri Aug 16 18:30:59
"Case #1) your delusional world where no obstruction found, would the report look different?"

Where did I say no obstruction was found? I said it wasn't his job to clear the president of obstruction. I also said Mueller stated congress had the power to continue the investigation.

Case isn't closed it is in hiatus because Democrats refuse to move on with the case.

The Mueller report isn't something that would cause the president to be impeached. Democrats are going to need something else.

and we all (well all but you) know who the delusional one is. That you have continued this for over 11 threads now shows you are obsessed and your posts show your delusions.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 16 19:00:24
"Where did I say no obstruction was found? I said it wasn't his job to clear the president of obstruction."

for what reason are you saying 'it wasn't his job'?... it -was- Muellers job to decide on all crimes, yet he was not capable of accusing Trump of obstruction so he took it as far as he could

you're parroting R's with that claim, where they pretend Mueller was just being a dick by saying he couldn't exonerate or that was 'not his job', it was important for him to note it as he could NOT charge... he wasn't simply opting not to charge, as it would've appeared had he not made those comments

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"you have continued this for over 11 threads"

the 11 threads are because Trump continues to be grossly unfit & it will ramp up going forward, why should i stop noting things? it's people like you who should start noting them
Dukhat
Member
Fri Aug 16 22:29:28
With the upcoming recession, the bottom is about to fall out of Trump's support. Trump was clearly going for a last-minute "save" where he announces some kind of Trade Deal with China before the election but outside of the cuckservative crowd, nobody is going to buy it.

Obama's economy was the only thing holding Trump up and he had to ruin it with his pointless trade war.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 16 22:56:09
let's hope so... come on, recession!... i think Trump fatigue will also help destroy him

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"
Biggest crowd EVER, according to Arena people. Thousands outside trying to get in. Place was packed! Radical Left Dems & their Partner, LameStream Media, saying Arena empty. Check out pictures. Fake News. The Enemy of the People!
"

'enemy of the people' over crowd size...

mental illness
kargen
Member
Sat Aug 17 03:51:50
typical.
Ya got nothing other than your own delusional thoughts and are actually hoping for destruction of the country because you can't fathom the fact that Hillary lost.

Speaking of mental illness... look in the fucking mirror. Seek professional help before you end up in a fetal position sobbing on the floor. I am flippant in most my posts but am serious in this one. You need help. Your mind is slipping away.
Dukhat
Member
Sat Aug 17 09:26:57
Nobody gives a shit about Hillary you stupid shit. And nobody wished for a recession. Trump was lucky enough to inherit Obama's economy and gave it a sugar high of unrestrained government spending and tax-cuts for the rich ...

And he still fucked it up with his pointless trade war.

Your pathetic rant is a complete non-sequitur and quite bizarre even by cuckservative standards.

Hilarious that someone with so little education and self-awareness would deign to pronounce someone else as mentally ill.
Paramount
Member
Sat Aug 17 09:30:14
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

Major consideration is being given to naming ANTIFA an “ORGANIZATION OF TERROR.” Portland is being watched very closely. Hopefully the Mayor will be able to properly do his job!

- -

How many terror attacks and mass shootings has Antifa carried out?

How many people has Antifa killed compared to right-winged extremism?
Rugian
Member
Sat Aug 17 09:59:49
"Dukhat
Member Sat Aug 17 09:26:57
Nobody gives a shit about Hillary you stupid shit."

He didn't say he did, he said they gave a shit that Hillary lost (and Trump won). Learn to English.

"And nobody wished for a recession."

"tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Aug 16 22:56:09
let's hope so... come on, recession!"

"And he still fucked it up with his pointless trade war."

[citation needed]
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 17 11:13:33
"because you can't fathom the fact that Hillary lost"
actually i support Hillary's death just so we stop talking about her


"He didn't say he did, he said they gave a shit that Hillary lost (and Trump won). Learn to English. "
how is mentioning Hillary relevant then?


yes, i did wish for recession :p
removing Trump (& not installing Hillary nor anyone else in particular) is of extreme importance for the nation & for the concepts of truth & intelligence


i assure all doubters my massive dislike of Trump is solely because of who/what Trump is... not sure why this is hard to believe. People from all spectrums hate the guy, with obvious reason... even the majority of his supporters are 'i don't like him, but i like his policies'.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 17 11:20:57
"
"And he still fucked it up with his pointless trade war."
[citation needed]
"

seems more likely to have had an effect than his claim that it's the media trying to tank the economy just because they don't like him

also, if Trump is so awesome for America as he & his supporters believe, why does all (non-State) media supposedly want to destroy him in the first place? maybe they just report all his CONSTANT LIES and unfit behavior because they should, having an unfit liar prez is newsworthy
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 17 11:47:43
since no one wants to name an intelligent/respected conservative who likes Trump, how about just leave off the 'who likes Trump' part & i'll research it for you

just name your conservative heroes
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 17 12:00:52
maybe Trump will enlist his supporters as a Profa movement to combat Antifa... they essentially already are pro-fascism (what aspect doesn't Trump support?)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 17 18:11:43
meanwhile on Fox "News":
http://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1162721008480116736
Forwyn
Member
Sat Aug 17 18:39:58
ROOOOOOOFL

Rep. Tlaib wrote a letter to Israeli officials desperately wanting to visit her grandmother. Permission was quickly granted, whereupon Tlaib obnoxiously turned the approval down, a complete setup. The only real winner here is Tlaib’s grandmother. She doesn’t have to see her now!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 17 18:53:51
^ that's a Trump tweet for those unaware (you forgot the "'s :p)

also, not sure how it was a setup since the letter only made her look bad when she still declined... but whatever, no one expects Trump to make sense for some reason
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Aug 18 01:16:00
“Trump tells me I should be happy Rashida is not coming — May God ruin him.”
~Tlaib's grandmother

http://nyp...her-to-trump-may-god-ruin-him/

#thatlady2020
Rugian
Member
Sun Aug 18 08:03:22
Trump absolutely obliterated Tlaib with that tweet. ROFL.

And as for her grandmother, shes blaming the wrong person here. Tlaib had permission to go see her, but she turned it down because she couldn't turn the trip into a "fuck Israel, long live Palestine" campaign.
Rugian
Member
Sun Aug 18 08:05:50
Anyway, it's impossible to keep up with everything going on in this thread...but I want to emphasize that tumbleweed is praying that millions of American citizens lose their jobs and homes and be subjected to abject poverty and misery, all because he finds the president's personality abrasive. Yikes.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Aug 18 11:35:20
"all because he finds the president's personality abrasive"

no...

(i know no one cares about this one for some reason but nevertheless it's HUGE):
- he sided w/ Russia for over a year -after- unanimous conclusion by our intel agencies (& he still basically is siding w/ them whenever it comes up which is obviously never by him) plus he effortlessly obviously lied about it after Helsinki, and that was fine for his defenders
(plus he sided w/ Saudi Arabia over our intel for Khashoggi)
even if you are a Forwyn who hates our intel, it's the President's JOB to consult them & only disagree if he has a valid reason ('Putin told me otherwise' is not a valid reason)

-along same lines, he announced we were leaving Syria based on what he learned from Erdogan, without consulting a single military advisor

- he doesn't read briefings, he doesn't study issues, he gets all info from Fox & Friends + even worse (amazing that that's possible) he's fine just making things up off the top of his head, again w/ no shame in stating things that have zero basis out to the world

- along that line, is just his CONSTANT LYING... he doesn't consider speaking truthfully, he just says whatever makes him look good... plus he will keep repeating the lies even after they are exposed (never ONCE admitting any, at best, a few times he's stopped repeating them)

- he claimed there were 3-5 million fraud voters last election (all who went for Hillary)... he has claimed New Hampshire because of fraud voting... he has claimed California & many other states are rigged... THAT WILL BE A PROBLEM (not that just undermining faith in our elections is not bad enough)

- he attacks the courts & justice dept purely out of his own self-interest... every judge who hasn't ruled in his favor is somehow corrupt

- also his smearing of the media is bullshit... calling it biased was fair, he does not 'fake news' doesn't mean biased, and even if your need for him to be fit makes you think that what he means, he flat our says the 'sources don't exist'... if they don't exist, he's saying the story is pure fiction (i don't need anyone citing the few times bad faith reporters found and fired, Trump uses this attack as a blanket on all non-State media on all stories that are negative) recall HR didn't even require a denial by Trump to assume EVERY negative story was 'fake news'

- he speaks & behaves entirely like a child

- if you compliment or pay him he's your friend, that's all it takes

- possibly related, he loves pretty much every dictator around the world (perhaps they just manipulated him, which is easy to do b/c of above... or just because he wants to be like them)

- he is a fraud in business, charity, taxes, personal life

- he has clear mental illness... see his OBSESSION w/ crowd size, an insane amount of tweets on that recently (also an obsession w/ his personal wealth... a bit dangerous for a guy w/ no morals as president)

- no morals

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is this enough? (i'm certain i left stuff out)

so no, it's not for being abrasive (& certainly not because of Hillary), it's because he's fully unfit for the job


i really hope you people actually see some of these heaps of problems with him and don't legitimately believe everyone who hates Trump is just faking it for other reasons (wanting Hillary) or only has minor issues


some of the intellectual conservatives who notice the problem:
George Will, Joe Walsh (radio host, not musician), George Conway, Stuart Stevens, Tom Nichols, Bill Kristol, David French, Lindsey Graham (when in Dr. Jeckyl form)
& probably most on this list still hate him (if they haven't sold out like Lindsey Graham in Mr. Hyde form):
http://en....ld_Trump_presidential_campaign


now make your list
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Aug 18 11:37:32
...i probably should have proof-read, but probably few, if any, will read it anyway :p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Aug 18 11:44:51
and just in the last week:

- he's accused the Clintons of murder (no, it wasn't a joke if anyone thinks he meant as a joke... both he & Kellyanne 'the Snake' Conway have answered questions on it, neither saying a joke)

- told a foreign power to deny entry to 2 of our elected congresspeople, plus smeared them as hating all jewish people... & all just to help his election campaign


it would take all day for me to go thru all the other reasons :p (review these threads if you still are mystified why i can't stand him)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Aug 18 12:26:00
23 bizarre conspiracy theories Trump has elevated

1. The Clintons might be involved in Epstein’s death

2. The Clintons might have been involved in Vince Foster’s death

3. Barack Obama wasn’t born in the United States

4. Ted Cruz’s father may have been involved in the Kennedy assassination

5. Joe Scarborough involved in his intern’s death

6. The late Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia may have been murdered

7. The “Deep State” is trying to undermine or oust him

8. Vaccines can cause autism

9. The death toll from Hurricane Maria was inflated

10. Muslims are attempting to install sharia law in the United States

11. Thousands of Muslims celebrated in the streets in 9/11 (in New Jersey)

12. Cruz wasn’t eligible to be president because he was born in Canada

13. Marco Rubio wasn’t eligible, either

14. 3 to 5 million illegal votes in the 2016 election — but none for Trump

15. Obama wiretapped Trump Tower

16. Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese

17. A man who charged the stage at his rally had Islamic State ties

18. The “white genocide” of South African farmers

19. It might not be his voice on the Access Hollywood tape

20. Gen. Pershing executed Muslim terrorists with blood-tipped bullets

21. Wind farms cause cancer

22. The danger of asbestos is a “con” pushed by the mafia

23. A Saudi prince co-owns Fox News

details of each:
http://bet...y-theories-trump-has-elevated/
...they should have consulted me, i could've added /improved details of some
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Aug 18 15:56:31
Trump is lying about voter fraud at the moment...

again demonstrating his zero understanding of voter rolls, he noted that there were people over 100-years-old found on California rolls & claiming that's proof of fraud voting (it is NOT)

plus he claimed California didn't cooperate w/ his sham commission as they know they have massive fraud (many R states didn't cooperate as well, plus no massive fraud has been shown anywhere... especially w/ in-person voting)


oh great, now he's talking crowd sizes...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Aug 18 16:02:57
Trump still seems to have no idea what the Hong Kong protests are about

He suggested its part of getting the China trade deal and if not for that situation a deal would be done...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Aug 18 16:08:29
he says:
China wants to make a deal
Iran wants to make a deal
Palestinians want to make a deal
Xi can a make a deal with the HK protesters
not sure if he mentioned North Korea just now, but I'm sure he would've said the same

so just keep saying everyone wants to 'make a deal', no need for them to actually appear

Paramount
Member
Mon Aug 19 08:23:04
lol trump



Trump says Tim Cook made ‘good case’ that trade war helps Samsung over Apple
74 comments

“I’m thinking about it.”


http://www...ariffs-samsung-china-trade-war

President Donald Trump says Apple CEO Tim Cook “made a very compelling argument” that tariffs on China will hamper Apple’s ability to compete with Samsung. The pair had dinner on Friday night at the president’s golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, and Trump described the conversation to reporters from publications including Bloomberg, CNBC, and Fox News on the way back to Washington.

“I had a very good meeting with Tim Cook,” Trump said. “I have a lot of respect for Tim Cook, and Tim was talking to me about tariffs. And one of the things, and he made a good case, is that Samsung is their number-one competitor, and Samsung is not paying tariffs because they’re based in South Korea.”

“And it’s tough for Apple to pay tariffs if they’re competing with a very good company that’s not. I said, ‘How good a competitor?’ He said they are a very good competitor. So Samsung is not paying tariffs because they’re based in a different location, mostly South Korea but they’re based in South Korea. And I thought he made a very compelling argument, so I’m thinking about it.”
patom
Member
Mon Aug 19 10:33:11
Maybe if the were based in South Jersey, say Camden. They wouldn't be paying any tariffs at all.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 19 12:18:29
"Wow, Report Just Out! Google manipulated from 2.6 million to 16 million votes for Hillary Clinton in 2016 Election! This was put out by a Clinton supporter, not a Trump Supporter! Google should be sued. My victory was even bigger than thought! @JudicialWatch"
~ it

w/ no research at all, i'm going to guess this is total bullshit as it obviously is...


unfit... extremely unfit... absurdly extremely unfit

(also "Judicial Watch" seems to be one person, Tom Fitton... has anyone ever seen a different person from that place?)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 19 13:48:31
my curiosity got to me...

there WAS a guy (Robert Epstein... unfortunate name) claiming the 2.6 million figure (claiming biased search results influenced that many undecided voters or whatever, not sure how many took his claims seriously... he also decided Google's 'Go Vote' message on election day was maliciously done to help Dems... because more people had Dem-leaning views so it would've encouraged more Dem votes)


i see no 16 million number, i see no 'new' report, i see nothing obvious on Fox News nor Judicial Watch about this

maybe Trump tossed in the 16 million figure to give himself a good buffer in the future (plus 2.6 million isn't enough for Trump to have won the popular vote in 2016)

now if he loses 2020 even by 15 million he can claim he was cheated

good times those will be
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 19 17:51:21
Daniel Dale (a fact checker... w/ heaps of work in this age) posted some notes about it:


[Dale was asked how Google supposedly manipulated the votes...]
"
Google doesn’t manipulate votes. The allegation from Robert Epstein is that pro-Clinton bias in their search results could potentially have affected votes. That allegation of bias is very much disputed. I’ll have a full breakdown a bit later.
"
(he described Epstein's study on TV, it's full of assumptions & unreliable info as one might expect)


"
In style and substance, Trump's "report just out" tweet about Google supposedly manipulating votes was similar to his "just found out" tweet about Obama supposedly wiretapping his phones...and both of them came after he either misheard or misdescribed something he saw on Fox.
"
^ this seems entirely likely & is entirely unfit behavior (a President should only tweet out accurate & researched information, not misunderstood rumors... anyone want to fight on that?)


"
Judicial Watch is not involved in this Google thing. The group thinks, as do I, that Trump tagged them to encourage them to look into the allegations.
"
good grief...

(Judicial Watch is a slightly more respectable Alex Jones)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 19 18:06:41
this has some details of the study for anyone who cares...
http://www...ogle-manipulating-election-re/

conclusion
"
Report Just Out! Google manipulated from 2.6 million to 16 million votes for Hillary Clinton in 2016 Election!
"
is entirely false


"Google should be sued."
is a crazy comment... literally crazy, he should be put away

UNFIT
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 20 12:00:39
"
Sorry, I don’t buy Rep. Tlaib’s tears. I have watched her violence, craziness and, most importantly, WORDS, for far too long. Now tears? She hates Israel and all Jewish people. She is an anti-Semite. She and her 3 friends are the new face of the Democrat Party. Live with it!
"
~aging dung heap
Paramount
Member
Tue Aug 20 12:06:00
”She hates Israel and all Jewish people. She is an anti-Semite”

So maybe she will help the Democrats to win over voters from the Republicans who might feel that Trump is no longer tough enough.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 20 16:02:37
"I think that any Jewish people who vote for a Democrat, I think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty."
~ rotting walking talking surströmming


...it's supposedly antisemitic to say anyone's loyal to Israel
Rugian
Member
Tue Aug 20 16:09:33
You go offline for a few days and find that this series has grown by another 40 posts. Never change tw.

Although it does please me that even tw didnt consider this tweet as warranting criticism:

http://mob...ump/status/1163603361423351808

Is it possible that you are slowly coming to appreciate Trumps sense of humor, tw?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 20 16:37:17
i post what show's his unfitness

that is actually a joke... i guarantee much of what you have dismissed as jokes was not
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 20 17:51:19
standard fraud being fraud:


WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump has filed financial disclosure statements that appear to misstate the value and profitability of his Scotland golf courses by $165 million, possibly violating federal laws that are punishable by jail time.

Trump claimed in his 2018 U.S. filing that his Turnberry and Aberdeen resorts were each worth more than $50 million. For that same time period, he filed balance sheets with the United Kingdom government showing that their combined debt exceeded their assets by 47.9 million British pounds ― the equivalent of $64.8 million at the exchange rate on Dec. 31, 2017, the date of the last U.K. filing available.

His 2018 “public financial disclosure” filed with the U.S. Office of Government Ethics also claims those two resorts earned him “income” of $23.8 million. His filings with the U.K. Companies House office in Edinburgh for that period showed the resorts had actually lost 4.6 million pounds ― equal to $6.3 million.

His U.S. disclosure statement also fails to mention $199.5 million in loans Trump has made to those resorts: $54.9 million from him personally to Trump International, Scotland in Aberdeenshire; $144.6 million from his trust to Trump Turnberry in Ayrshire.

Knowingly providing false or incomplete information on that form is a violation of the Ethics in Government Act punishable by up to a year in jail. Signing the form attesting to the untrue information constitutes making a false statement, punishable by up to five years in prison.

“The numbers don’t appear to add up,” said Virginia Canter, an ethics law expert with Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. She added, though, that OGE regulations give filers a fair amount of latitude in determining asset value. “That said, it’s not at all clear after reviewing the U.K. balance sheet for Aberdeen how they came to $50 million. … I think it raises legitimate questions.”

http://www...lue_n_5d5c1ccce4b05f62fbd5f559

we've heard about him doing this shit constantly... let's hope he finally gets nailed on it

seems likely it should include bank fraud for when he falsely inflates value to get loans, plus tax fraud for when he devalues to dodge taxes
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 20 17:55:56
Trump still championing Russia
(wants them back in G7/G8, claims they were only removed as Obama didn't like being outsmarted... )
http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1163890096321507328

...unfit
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 20 20:04:44
"
Denmark is a very special country with incredible people, but based on Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen’s comments, that she would have no interest in discussing the purchase of Greenland, I will be postponing our meeting scheduled in two weeks for another time....
"

so whomever had Denmark as the next country he'd offend, you win...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 20 23:14:56
White house denied news reports that a payroll tax cut being discussed
Trump says 'yeah, a payroll tax cut being discussed'

White House denied news reports that Trump talked w/ Israel about banning the women.
Trump says 'yeah, i talked w/ Israel about banning the women'

White house denies news reports that Trump ground his feet on Eddie's couch, saying he has more sense than that.
Trump says 'yeah, i remember grinding my feet on Eddie's couch'


(there would be a long list... these 2 just in past week)
Paramount
Member
Wed Aug 21 00:35:12
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Denmark is a very special country with incredible people, but based on Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen’s comments, that she would have no interest in discussing the purchase of Greenland, I will be postponing our meeting scheduled in two weeks for another time....

- -

Lol. So an allied country doesn’t want to sell part of its country to the US so Trump cancels the visit.

This could be from the Onion.

And what does he mean that Denmark is a ”very special” country?
Paramount
Member
Wed Aug 21 00:40:12
http://twitter.com/USAmbDenmark/status/1163924406198030336

lol
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 21 11:37:05
Wow... the petty idiot child just admitted he canceled the trip as he found the Prime Minister's comments mean & disrespectful when she said his Greenland idea was absurd


UNFIT UNFIT UNFIT
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 21 11:47:02
“Thank you to Wayne Allyn Root for the very nice words. “President Trump is the greatest President for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world, not just America, he is the best President for Israel in the history of the world...and the Jewish people in Israel love him....
....like he’s the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second coming of God...But American Jews don’t know him or like him. They don’t even know what they’re doing or saying anymore. It makes no sense! But that’s OK, if he keeps doing what he’s doing, he’s good for.....
.....all Jews, Blacks, Gays, everyone. And importantly, he’s good for everyone in America who wants a job.” Wow! @newsmax @foxandfriends @OANN
"

...and now we know he tags news orgs to try to get them to run the story, not just citing source of it (which obviously is the case here as he names 3)

& Wayne seems like a great guy...
http://en....Allyn_Root#Conspiracy_theories
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Aug 21 12:13:32
"Is it possible that you are slowly coming to appreciate Trumps sense of humor, tw?"


hell yeah. Don't know about tw, but I am, definitely. The pic of trump hotel in greenland that Donald retweeted was kinda lame tbh, not that funny. But when he cancelled the trip to Denmark and trashed their PM, now that is some hilarious shit
Paramount
Member
Wed Aug 21 12:30:22
It was NASTY of Danish PM Mette Frederiksen to refuse to sell Greenland.

http://afp...ion-of-greenland-deal/a/kJyda9
Paramount
Member
Wed Aug 21 12:52:53
Maybe Denmark should apologize to Trump. Trump shouldn’t visit Denmark until they do.
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Aug 21 13:04:51
"US President Donald Trump snapped back Wednesday at Denmark's premier in a row over his desire to buy Greenland, saying her blunt refusal to consider any negotiation was "nasty."

Speaking after he scrapped plans to visit Copenhagen next month, Trump told reporters he had taken offense at Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen's description of any such deal as "absurd."

"It was not a nice way of doing it. She could have just said no, we'd rather not do it," Trump said. "She's not talking to me, she's talking to the United States of America."
-----

exactly. Who does Danish PM thinks she is? Kim Jon Un? Fuck off please. State visit cancelled
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 21 14:25:51
i'd say her being a younger relatively attractive woman particularly ate away at his lil boy ego

he took great offense at the term 'absurd'... as if he doesn't fire off worse at every ally we have
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Aug 21 15:27:48
Calgary Ted might be clairvoyant -


February 3, 2016

GOFFSTOWN, N.H. — Sen. Ted Cruz sharpened his attacks on Donald Trump Wednesday, saying the businessman is "losing it" after Trump accused the Texas Republican of cheating to win the Iowa caucuses.


"I don’t know anyone who would be comfortable with someone who behaves this way having his finger on the button," Cruz said here. "We’re liable to wake up one morning and Donald, if he were president, would have nuked Denmark. That’s not the temperament of a leader to keep this country safe."
cont

http://www...mp-is-losing-it/?noredirect=on

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 21 15:43:32
and that prediction by Lyin Calgary Ted, whose father killed JFK & whose wife is not as hot as Trump's & has secrets whose beans could be spilled , is getting closer... new attack:

"For the record, Denmark is only at 1.35% of GDP for NATO spending. They are a wealthy country and should be at 2%."
~ deranged lunatic

HOW DARE SHE SAY "ABSURD"!!!!!

he probably beat & raped Melania last night
Pillz
Member
Wed Aug 21 15:47:40
TW hoping for rape and physical abuse against a 1st generation female immigrant just to shine a bad light on the president.

#liberals
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 22 18:58:05
he finally mixed it up!
after giving the same endorsement to ~60 people, we get this:

"
Looking forward to soon being in North Carolina to hold a big rally for wonderful Dan Bishop, who is running for Congress. His opponent wants Open Borders, Sanctuary Cities, and Socialism. He likes the “Squad” more than North Carolina. Dan has my Full and Complete Endorsement!
"

it's really stupid but that's to be expected...
kargen
Member
Thu Aug 22 19:17:50
Chris Cuomo has suggested President Trump is unfit for office because he isn't aging fast enough.

Tumbleweed will of course jump all over this like an Aggie on a deep fried Snickers bar at the Texas State Fair as sound reason to impeach President Trump now.

I guess congratulations are in order. Tumbleweed isn't the most delusional anti-Trump in the entire country after all. I'm as surprised as anybody.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 22 20:00:18
I doubt Cuomo suggested Trump was unfit because of his appearance... I would guess your news sources suggested Cuomo suggested it

but I would agree not doing the job is one reason he's unfit for office

he watches Fox all day, does NO learning/research on issues, then goes to his golf clubs on the weekend... his lifestyle is basically the same as if he wasn't President
kargen
Member
Thu Aug 22 21:16:43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5xJnl7YLIE

the pertinent part starts about 1:38 in.

No wonder his ratings are the lowest in that time spot. Even the Food Network has better ratings. I'm willing to bet his career on television ends the day after President Trump is no longer president if Cuomo can last that long.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 22 21:43:15
Yeah, Trump loves saying all news orgs will fail without him... as he's a lunatic.

I don't see Cuomo saying Trump is unfit because of his appearance, I see him criticizing Trumps behavior (and speculating it's why Trump showing no wear... which i agree is unnecessary & silly... plus Trump has professionals doing his work now instead of doing it on the cheap as he did before... no more orange paste)

It -is- pretty hard to imagine Trump stressing over anything (unrelated to him personally), or carefully weighing the pros and cons of any decisons he's making. His general method seems to be making a snap decision, tossing it out and see how it plays then change if it's criticized by the TV people.

Plus he has no empathy toward others, never any indication he cares at all when he meets victims of tragedies, and he would never blame himself if it was something he was responsible for (like a military op... or his crazed cultists)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 22 21:58:32
and since we're on the topic, i'll take the opportunity to repost that insane video again:

this is how Trump thinks presidential hospital visits to mass shooting victims should be represented...

http://twi...ump/status/1159298817478414337

that was the 3rd video they released, so the most refined & the one he pinned... the first two videos were similar but didn't have such ridiculous music, i'll assume the new music was a personal request by Trump to make it more majestic, seems a safe bet

can anyone imagine he had any heartfelt moments there? or ever
kargen
Member
Fri Aug 23 01:43:25
"It -is- pretty hard to imagine Trump stressing over anything (unrelated to him personally), or carefully weighing the pros and cons of any decisons he's making. His general method seems to be making a snap decision, tossing it out and see how it plays then change if it's criticized by the TV people."

Pure unadulterated bullshit.

and off to number twelve of tumbleweeds tribute to his own delusions.
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