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Paramount
Member
Sun Aug 18 04:50:50
Okay, it has begun now. The war has started!

http://twi...tatus/1162769457347006465?s=21
Paramount
Member
Sun Aug 18 05:00:15
BibleBeltMomma @BibleBeltDarlin
You should be arrested for this statement — this is an act of war.

@DHSgov @SecretService @SecPompeo

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Let’s see if Secret Service will arrest Sanders now or if they will side with Bernie. What do y’all think?
Paramount
Member
Mon Aug 19 15:28:04
He has not been arrested yet, so I guess the Secret Service must have sided with Bernie.
kargen
Member
Mon Aug 19 15:39:03
Why would the secret service give a shit? Bernie has declared war on white nationalism and racism. Neither has anything to do with the current administration.
I see this as yet more proof that President Trump is not racist.
Paramount
Member
Mon Aug 19 15:51:31
If white nationalism and racism has nothing to do with the Trump administration then why is BibleBeltMomma, who is likely a Trump-voter, tweeting to Trump’s Secretary of State that Bernie should be arrested for declaring war on hers and Trump’s side? :p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 19 16:13:35
not just BibleBeltMomma, seems a number of Trump supporters in that twitter thread took personal offense to Bernie's opposition to white nationalism & racism
kargen
Member
Mon Aug 19 17:42:48
I'm going to guess because she is almost as much a nut as tumbleweed is just on the other side.
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Aug 19 23:26:16
What is Sanders declaring war on? Hard work? Free thought?
hood
Member
Tue Aug 20 00:06:06
Unfounded hatred and Nazis.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Aug 20 11:25:56
Jesus christ sam, it’s a tweet. And not even a tweet that uses the maximum amount of characters.
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Aug 20 13:36:27
Maybe it's Bernie's plug for a new Nazi zombie movie? (Dead Snow 3?) Why else would someone declare war on Hitler's white nationalism in the year 2019 if it's not a call to arms against zombies?
hood
Member
Tue Aug 20 14:52:00
How many people showed up to the first unite the right? They were, ya know, actual Nazis. No need to conjure up zombie movies.

Makes me wonder how good the rebellion zombie sniper games are.
kargen
Member
Tue Aug 20 15:09:23
Maybe he was playing Wolfenstein: Youngblood?
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Aug 20 16:22:08
“They were, ya know, actual Nazis. No need to conjure up zombie movies.”

Oh wow. We have actual uniformed Nazis whose objective is a unified Germany in Europe roaming the United States? They must be super old by now — an easy enemy, though maybe not for Bernie, who must perceive their German blood as quite an obstacle when he’s trying to get his senior, early-bird discount at the local iHop and they’ve already claimed the best handicap spots. It’s a good thing his enemy isn’t the *Neo*-Nazis; they’re much younger and aren’t concerned so much with a unified Germany as with reviving racist sentiments in Alabama trailer parks. That’s a rowdy bunch, though they don’t go to iHop for dinner at 2pm like Bernie’s dreaded Nazis.
hood
Member
Tue Aug 20 17:05:50
When you're too far gone to realize "*Neo*-Nazis" are still Nazis...
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Aug 20 17:43:13
That seems like the sort of lazy moniker-diluting that’s putting the U.S. in a post-truth nightmare. That is *literally* (which, in post-truth logic can actually mean “figuratively” — feel free to confirm this in Wiki and crowd-sourced dictionaries) a great path to seeing only through polarized political lenses en route to a self-destructive “us vs. them” nightmare of illogic. It’s something that a Nazi might do — which makes sense, since, in post-truth, “Nazi” is, via a completely normalized Godwin’s Law, anyone with which anyone else disagrees. Kind of a problem when actual Neo-Nazis are throwing rallies but have been erroneously grouped with any Trump supporter who simply didn’t want to vote for Clinton (those fucking *literal* Nazis!).

It’s fine, though; carry on. It’s going to suck having Trump for two terms, but at least we’ll know that it’s self-inflicted.
hood
Member
Tue Aug 20 17:50:59
Calling people who self describe as Nazis and march while chanting Nazi rhetoric is godwinning? Look, I get your whole attacking hyperbole angle, but Charlottesville was literal Nazis. New, old, they're still Nazis pledging belief in Nazi goals and rhetoric. There's no need to jump the shark by claiming the only Nazis that can exist are those who were in post-WWI and WWII era Germany.
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Aug 20 21:49:37
Self-description is pretty meaningless, just like the inventors of “gif” pronouncing it incorrectly — they don’t know what they’re talking about and don’t get to invent their own pronunciation rules. But, as it happens, factions in the “Unite the Right” Charlottesville rally properly self-identified as *neo*-Nazis, which is — factually and definitionally — vastly different than “literal Nazis”.

There’s a Venn diagram of overlapping qualities between “Nazis” and “neo-Nazis” which does indeed have similarities when it comes to racism and supremacy, but “neo-Nazi” is not just a specific sub-type of classical Nazi; it is dishonest, inaccurate, reductive, and misguided to simply say that neo-Nazis are a type of classical Nazi (or, similarly, to just say, “[Well, they’re all Nazis.]”) Those logical errors (dishonesty, etc.) produce real definitional problems and falsify the discourse such that the actual problems are brushed under the rug, potentially convincing people to mis-identify their “enemies” and be manipulated by false narratives (e.g., in the reductive, “They’re *all* Nazis,” narrative, the alt-left is mobilized by a lie — the belief in the existence of an easily-digested archetype: the catch-all title of “Nazi”. This false narrative means that they draw upon tactics which do not correctly fit the real and current truth, so instead of debate and reason they themselves skip ahead to fascist violence, believing from simple Nazi-enemy movies that only violence can stop “Nazis” (“Punch a Nazi” comes to mind as a manifestation of this)). But again, feel free to keep up the habit of heuristics and reduction of terms — just don’t be surprised if Trump wins again. The U.S.’s right *and* left both ruin themselves with these sorts of “alternative facts” and smudgings of nuance.
hood
Member
Tue Aug 20 22:23:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvgZtdmyKlI
Dickhead UPer
Member
Wed Aug 21 04:47:14
So in a long-winded post about how upsetting and disingenuous to use the catchall of "Nazis" instead of annotating the individual characteristics of all the white supremacist groups with it's categories and sub-categories that exists in the United States and to be critical of some opponents that share the same advocacy of using violence or other similar tactics, the main point to this is all about semantics.
Paramount
Member
Wed Aug 21 11:33:28
Are you a loyal or disloyal jew, Hood?

http://www...itics/trump-jewish-voters.html
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Aug 21 11:54:19
I read CC:s posts and all I heard was, "bla bla bla I'm a dirty nazi".

;P

The battle is lost CC. Post-truth has won, between the jokes, the memes and the people who can't tell the memes from the actual narratives, we are fucked. I don't even worry about Trump for a second terms, I worry about what comes after him and then after that.
smart dude
Member
Wed Aug 21 22:01:07
" they don’t know what they’re talking about and don’t get to invent their own pronunciation rules."

And what exactly is the "pronunciation rule" for when a G becomes before an I?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 22 00:26:16
only nazis pronounce it 'jif'
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