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jergul
large member
Fri Aug 23 10:25:11
Ok, I am onboard.

Cringeworthy:



Donald J. Trump
‏Verifisert konto @realDonaldTrump
26 min26 minutter siden

....better off without them. The vast amounts of money made and stolen by China from the United States, year after year, for decades, will and must STOP. Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China, including bringing..



....your companies HOME and making your products in the USA. I will be responding to China’s Tariffs this afternoon. This is a GREAT opportunity for the United States. Also, I am ordering all carriers, including Fed Ex, Amazon, UPS and the Post Office, to SEARCH FOR & REFUSE,....


Paramount
Member
Fri Aug 23 10:34:10
He has gone mad.

So, with a tweet he has made private American companies state-controlled by giving them orders on what to do. What will the stock-owners say?
Rugian
Member
Fri Aug 23 10:38:16
Paramount,

Who cares about stockholders. Per Elizabeth Warren, companies should be primarily beholden to stakeholders (meaning herself as president, plus liberal advocacy groups and union trade organizations). You should be happy that Trump is engaging in such leftist behavior.
CrownRoyal
Member
Fri Aug 23 10:40:42
"American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China"

America is so close to being great again, comrades.
Paramount
Member
Fri Aug 23 10:41:49
Has China stopped selling rare-earth minerals to the US yet? Maybe it will be the next move.
Paramount
Member
Fri Aug 23 10:44:28
”American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China"

America is so close to being great again, comrades. ”


Yup. He is banning American companies from the Chinese market.
Rugian
Member
Fri Aug 23 11:33:15
onald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
1h
As usual, the Fed did NOTHING! It is incredible that they can “speak” without knowing or asking what I am doing, which will be announced shortly. We have a very strong dollar and a very weak Fed. I will work “brilliantly” with both, and the U.S. will do great...

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
....My only question is, who is our bigger enemy, Jay Powell or Chairman Xi?
10:57 AM · Aug 23, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

Rofl
Paramount
Member
Fri Aug 23 11:48:02
”companies are hereby ordered to”

Sounds like something Chairman Mao would say.
Rugian
Member
Fri Aug 23 14:18:15
The Dow is down 573 points perhaps on the news that Representative Seth Moulton, whoever that may be, has dropped out of the 2020 Presidential Race!
3:01 PM · Aug 23, 2019·

I love this guy so much.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 23 16:51:17
"
China should not have put new Tariffs on 75 BILLION DOLLARS of United States product (politically motivated!). Starting on October 1st, the 250 BILLION DOLLARS of goods and products from China, currently being taxed at 25%, will be taxed at 30%...
Additionally, the remaining 300 BILLION DOLLARS of goods and products from China, that was being taxed from September 1st at 10%, will now be taxed at 15%. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
"
~ dictator


i wonder who he is thanking in his demented mind

& i guess the unstable child is taking away the supposed Christmas present? (if those Sept tariffs are back on)
jergul
large member
Fri Aug 23 17:00:53
So, another "DOW breaks 25k" on Monday.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 23 17:34:03
the DOW has been close recently from prior plummeting, seems like it should plummet enough now w/ his latest tweets... though i'm sure Trump will still celebrate it if it does

======

reportedly, Trump doesn't want to go to the G7, he doesn't consider it a productive use of his time, & he is annoyed he doesn't get to brag enough

http://www...trump-g7-attendance/index.html

all sounds exactly what you'd expect from every single report about his behavior & attitude (plus what he displays himself)

i agree not a productive use of his time as he won't pay attention & will contribute nothing of value... although the alternative would be him watching more of his fans on Fox News praising him, which also has no positive value


however, i'm sure kargen believes Trump has carefully studied all the issues & looks forward to many informed & intelligent conversations w/ his counterparts
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 24 11:44:22
"If Republicans take back the House, and keep the Senate and Presidency, one of our first acts will be to approve a major middle income Tax Cut! "
~total fraud

hmm... sounds familiar... he claimed they had that same thing poised & ready to go right before Midterms... yet NO ONE knew a thing about it then & of course no reason to think R's are on board now

he's got a skyrocketing deficit + R's only like tax cuts focused on the rich & businesses
Hrothgar
Member
Sat Aug 24 15:17:25
I'm all for competing a lot harder with China in the import vs export arena.

The President can't just order companies to do stuff single handedly. He's not a fuck'n king.

PS - still glad Clinton didn't win.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Aug 25 12:32:02
"
The question I was asked most today by fellow World Leaders, who think the USA is doing so well and is stronger than ever before, happens to be, “Mr. President, why does the American media hate your Country so much? Why are they rooting for it to fail?”
"
~ mentally-ill child


did that happen, kargen?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Aug 25 12:40:56
...i will assume no one here believes it's true

now consider how mentally deficient one has to be to even make the claim

unfit
Rugian
Member
Sun Aug 25 12:55:59
I dont believe the media hates America and wants it to fail? ...news to me.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Aug 25 13:48:10
were multiple world leaders asking those questions to Trump?

it's absurd... (the word that penetrates him to his core)... and he's humiliating himself & the nation in front of the world when he tweets things like that
Dickhead UPer
Member
Sun Aug 25 14:58:10
Absurd. According to certain poster(s) that is extremely disrespectful to Trump.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 26 00:30:38
Melanie w/ Justin Trudeau & her lil boy
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/EC2PEtjUYAAZOiW?format=jpg
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 26 01:35:27
President Trump has suggested multiple times to senior Homeland Security and national security officials that they explore using nuclear bombs to stop hurricanes from hitting the United States, according to sources who have heard the president's private remarks and been briefed on a National Security Council memorandum that recorded those comments.

http://www...94-4120-a3fa-8c9cf0e3f51c.html

i dunno if that's true... and neither do you... & that's a problem... it's certainly not remotely out of the realm of possibility

"I got it. I got it. Why don't we nuke them?"
sounds like what a child would say... thus he probably said it

patom
Member
Mon Aug 26 04:52:44
Not a totally new idea. A meteorologist suggested the same thing back in 1959. Of course we were still firing off nukes in tests back then too.
Allahuakbar
Member
Mon Aug 26 08:19:19
That's why Melania should wear a burqa, anyone brave enough to give Donald the advice?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 26 12:11:49
Trump was 13 in 1959... maybe that's when his arrested development occurred

-----

anyone want to take a stab at why Trump is so determined to downplay Ukraine & get Putin back into the G7?

with all the heat he takes about Russia... why in the hell would he do this...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 26 12:24:15
Trump skipped the G7 meeting about climate (and the White House lied about it, of course)

but don't worry, Trump claimed he was an environmentalist & that he knows more about the environment than most people, plus claimed to have done more environmental impact studies than anyone (a required study when doing a building project, which he mocks doing... and of course wouldn't be evidence of being an environmentalist)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 26 14:03:33
Russians are enjoying all of Trump's mysterious lobbying for them
http://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1166048128715436032
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 26 17:32:36
get your ringtone from Trump's two black friends

http://twitter.com/DiamondandSilk/status/1165985885676068864

Trump & Fox News love having them on to praise Trump...
Rugian
Member
Mon Aug 26 19:38:07
tumbleweed
the wanderer Mon Aug 26 17:32:36
get your ringtone from Trump's two black friends

Yeah...pass. I enjoy not getting my face bashed in during my daily commute.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 27 16:45:53
"
...And the other was in Ukraine, having to do with a certain section of Ukraine that you know very well, where it was sort of taken away from President Obama, not taken away from President Trump, taken away from President Obama. President Obama was not happy that this happened because it was embarrassing to him. Right? It was very embarrassing to him. And he wanted Russia to be out of what was called the ‘G-8.’ And that was his determination. He was outsmarted by Putin. He was outsmarted. President Putin outsmarted President Obama.
"

^what our (America's) leader said in front of the world

would any other person anywhere phrase Russia taking Crimea (FROM UKRAINE) as taking it "from Obama"? and acting like it was a petty decision alone by Obama to kick out Russia... and having absolutely nothing bad to say about Russia...

why do R's put up with this?

absurd
unfit
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 27 23:10:48
Lawrence O'Donnell (MSNBC,meh) claims a source said that Deutsche bank (Trump's bank known for Russian money-laundering...) has loan docs for Trump w/ Russian oligarch co-signers

let's hope true! O'Donnell stressed it's a single source so no one's all in on it yet

-Trump having loans is not a surprise
-Trump needing co-signers would not be a surprise as he has a habit of screwing over banks (Deutsche being one of the few willing to do business w/ him)
-might this explain Trump's mysterious devotion to Russia?

c'mon c'muppance!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 27 23:12:42
Larry O'D saying above comment:
http://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1166535318369161223
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 27 23:15:53
...recall Manafort's finest hour :p
http://twi...hen/status/1166563328296128512

Q: So to be clear Mr. Trump has no financial relationships w/ Russian oligarchs?

A: That-that's what he said-I-I-that's what I said-that's obviously what the-our position is.
Rugian
Member
Wed Aug 28 10:28:59
"...And by the way, I’m the best thing that’s ever happened to Puerto Rico!"
10:45 AM · Aug 28, 2019

Dios mio!
Daemon
Member
Wed Aug 28 10:38:38
Could you leave Deutsche Bank alone, please? They have already enough trouble even without all this Trump shit.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 28 11:26:11
dealing w/ Trump was their own mistake... all of his associates go down
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 28 12:00:14
the current White House Press Secretary on whether she thinks Trump ever lies...

"
“No,” she responds without hesitation. “I don’t think they’re lies. . . . I think the president communicates in a way that some people, especially the media, aren’t necessarily comfortable with. A lot of times they take him so literally. I know people will roll their eyes if I say he was just kidding or was speaking in hypotheticals, but sometimes he is. What I’ve learned about him is that he loves this country and he’s not going to lie to this country.”
"
http://www...9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html

TLDR: "Trump has never & will never lie"

that's the person who keeps the public informed about what's happening...


a coup wasn't attempted but would be warranted given our system apparently has no means to handle this ridiculous situation
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Aug 28 12:10:49
"the current White House Press Secretary "

I missed Huckaby's exit, but this new Donald's press sec seems like a natural, I read up a little on Stephanie Grisham.

-----------

"Her career history contains red flags that most administrations might deem troubling. They include losing a private-sector job after being accused of cheating on expense reports, a later job loss over plagiarism charges and two arrests for driving under the influence, the second while working on Mr. Trump’s campaign.

http://www...e-grisham-press-secretary.html
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 28 12:25:07
you basically have to be garbage to work for Trump
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Wed Aug 28 13:27:14
August 28, 2019 11:01am PT by Eriq Gardner

Donald Trump Sends Legal Demand Over Comment From MSNBC's Lawrence O’Donnell

http://www...bcs-lawrence-o-donnell-1235171
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 28 13:53:39
aww, that would've been Michael Cohen's job... if he wasn't in prison...
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Wed Aug 28 14:25:03
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDEWhQ6XUAAQxx0.jpg:large
Rugian
Member
Wed Aug 28 15:58:05
Life comes at you fast!

----

Lawrence O'Donnell

Last night I made an error in judgment by reporting an item about the president’s finances that didn’t go through our rigorous verification and standards process. I shouldn’t have reported it and I was wrong to discuss it on the air. I will address the issue on my show tonight.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 28 16:11:51
he should be fired then
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 28 18:52:00
today is the 5 year anniversary of tan-gate
http://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1166697187226476546

to be on topic, here's a Trump tweet from around then:
"
Emmy Awards show was terrible last night. Same shows winning over and over again (politics). Amazing race a joke. Host Seth Meyers bombed!
"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 29 11:30:41
just putting this here for future reference, i didn't fight the paywall to read yet... (i already know Trump hates the environment)

84 Environmental Rules Being
Rolled Back Under Trump
http://www...ump-environment-rollbacks.html
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 29 12:54:27
"
Trump flashed signs of optimism this week that the trade war could be resolved, saying he's received calls from Chinese officials saying they wanted to restart talks. Though Trump and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin insisted there had been "communication," aides privately conceded the phone calls Trump described didn't happen they way he said they did.

Instead, two officials said Trump was eager to project optimism that might boost markets, and conflated comments from China's vice premier with direct communication from the Chinese.
"

http://www...ons-walls-victories/index.html

in addition, Trump himself basically admitted the calls never happened when a reporter asked him about them & he only cited the Chinese guy talking about wanting 'calm' resolution or whatever (it was a public statement, not a call about talks)


anyway, according to George Conway (the good Conway), regarding the attempt to boost markets w/ lies:

"What this describes is, quite literally, market manipulation that constitutes criminal violations of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934"


criminal
unfit
absurd
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 29 14:17:01
"
DOJ IG "found no evidence that Comey or his attorneys released any of the classified information contained in any of the memos to members of the media." I don’t need a public apology from those who defamed me, but a quick message with a “sorry we lied about you” would be nice.
"
~James Tiberius Comey

------

"
Perhaps never in the history of our Country has someone been more thoroughly disgraced and excoriated than James Comey in the just released Inspector General’s Report. He should be ashamed of himself!
"
~Donald Jackass Trump

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 29 14:23:36
the facts: the report did find he violated policy by his handling of the memos, but nothing illegal... doubtful it's the worst criticism in history
Paramount
Member
Thu Aug 29 16:35:48
Trump skips goodwill trip to Poland because he is dead worried about his Mar-a-Lago. Sends his errand boy Mike Pence to Poland instead.

http://www...usa-trump-poland-idUSKCN1VJ2MX
Paramount
Member
Thu Aug 29 16:39:50
Maybe if he nuke the hurricane then he can save Mar-a-Lago? I think it’s worth a try. Would HATE it if Mar-a-Lago got destroyed.
Paramount
Member
Thu Aug 29 16:47:27
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump abruptly called off a weekend trip to Poland on Thursday, saying he wanted to stay home and make sure the federal government is prepared for a looming hurricane headed for Mar-a-Lago.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 29 16:51:52
plus he hates trips where he won't be treated like a king, plus he has to suck up to Florida for election purposes

he had a variety of reasons to cancel, none of which was a legitimate concern for Floridians
Rugian
Member
Thu Aug 29 17:02:34
I love how you guys are openly making up crap about Trump's motivations now. Not even an effort to hide it.

Also tw, are you seriously using the "Tiberius" moniker for Comey? Because fuck you if so. That disgusting snake doesnt deserve the name, and applying it here is a gross insult to the starship captain AND the Roman emperor.

James "Treasonous" Comey, maybe.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 29 17:20:59
Comey is a hero & a patriot


also, do you believe Trump has actual concern for people? has he ever demonstrated it?
Forwyn
Member
Thu Aug 29 17:25:37
^ rofl
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 29 17:29:27
which do you disagree with?

and cite evidence
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Aug 29 17:51:59
exciting news

because of Trump, the military is doing things few thought possible, with budget amounts no one thought possible, and are building equipment no one could've conceived of before
http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1167173327556894722

...he may need an oxygen tank, he's struggling to read that prompter of idiocy
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 30 11:35:06
"
The fact that James Comey was not prosecuted for the absolutely horrible things he did just shows how fair and reasonable Attorney General Bill Barr is. So many people and experts that I have watched and read would have taken an entirely different course. Comey got Lucky!
"
~Mr. Hankey's evil twin


...or maybe it's because no crimes were uncovered & those 'so many people & experts' don't exist
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 30 11:39:41
"
The disastrous IG Report on James Comey shows, in the strongest of terms, how unfairly I, and tens of millions of great people who support me, were treated. Our rights and liberties were illegally stripped away by this dishonest fool. We should be given our stolen time back?
"
~drama queen


here he is again floating the idea he deserves more time padded on to his term

'oh, he's joking'... no, he isn't
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 30 17:51:13
Trump tweeted out a photo from a classified briefing he had today... no biggie... Hillary's emails!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 31 11:32:51
"Has anyone noticed that the top shows on @foxnews
and cable ratings are those that are Fair (or great) to your favorite President, me! Congratulations to Sean Hannity for being the number one show on Cable Television!
"
~ insane pumpkin

TLDR: Sean Hannity is fair

(also, demonstrates his continued inability to understand the difference between news & entertainment shows)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 31 11:40:23
As the White House Turns episode #n

so Trump fired his personal secretary after she got drunk & said Trump didn't like being in photos w/ Tiffany as he thinks she's fat, plus joking that he couldn't pick her out of a crowd (which is probably true... Tiffany is the forgotten daughter that he doesn't lust after)


anyway, Trump tweeted:
"
While Madeleine Westerhout has a fully enforceable confidentiality agreement, she is a very good person and I don’t think there would ever be reason to use it. She called me yesterday to apologize, had a bad night. I fully understood and forgave her! I love Tiffany, doing great!
"

so Trump worried about what she might say apparently...

"
...Yes, I am currently suing various people for violating their confidentiality agreements. Disgusting and foul mouthed Omarosa is one. I gave her every break, despite the fact that she was despised by everyone, and she went for some cheap money from a book. Numerous others also!
"

...very worried

=========
his twitter feed being filled w/ retweets by his staff i guess to try to hide all his nonsense
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 31 12:48:33
[posting for reference, not expecting any of you to read:]

Six weeks, 328 false claims. Breaking down Trump's dishonesty
http://www...se-claims-six-weeks/index.html
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 31 13:44:51
According to the pool report, Trump has arrived at Trump National Golf Club in Sterling, VA.

This is Trump's 226th day at a Trump golf club and 294th day at a Trump property as president.

http://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1167786696114655232
Paramount
Member
Sat Aug 31 14:40:37
Rofl. What a week. First he cancelled trip to Nato ally Denmark while saying the Danish PM was nasty. Then Trump cancelled trip to Nato ally Poland saying he has to go to Camp David with experts to monitor the hurricane’s progress and help America.

Looks like all he cares about is to play golf.


Hurricane Dorian: Trump flies to golf club as storm approaches east coast

http://www...ian-category-4-florida-bahamas
Paramount
Member
Sat Aug 31 14:41:43
http://images.app.goo.gl/r41Ly5pEQfGggEgh6
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Aug 31 19:17:54
technically, we are best off with him golfing


some analysis of the classified photo he tweeted for no reason:

"
But the quality of the photograph quickly raised the eyebrows of national security experts, who say that images this clear are rarely made public.

“I’m not supposed to see stuff this good. He’s not supposed to share it. I’ve honestly never seen an image this sharp,” said Melissa Hanham, deputy director of the Open Nuclear Network and director of the Datayo Project at the One Earth Future Foundation.

Hanham suspected the shot was taken from a high-altitude aerial vehicle using tracking technology, such as an RC-135S Cobra Ball or a similar aircraft.

“This will have global repercussions,” said Joshua Pollack, a nuclear proliferation expert and editor of the Nonproliferation Review.

“The utter carelessness of it all,” Pollack said. “So reckless.”

http://www...nch-pad-explosion-in-iran.html
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Sep 01 12:17:58
"
I’ve seen some category fours, you don’t even see that many of them. But a category five is something that, I don’t know if I’ve ever even heard the term, other than I know it’s there. That’s the ultimate and that’s what we have unfortunately
"
~ moron hype man
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Sep 02 11:30:52
Trump on China's growth:

Jul 30: China had its worst growth in "27 years" (accurate)

Aug 9: Worst growth in "35 years"

Aug 20: "A lot of people are saying the worst year they've had in 54 years"

Aug 30: "They are having the worst year they've had, I understand, in 61 years."


reminiscent of his claims on Saudi purchasing & jobs it would create... kept going up & up every time he mentioned


mental illness
unfit
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Sep 02 22:49:25
i was gonna skip this one, but he double-downed so can't...


Trump:
"
In addition to Florida - South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama, will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated. Looking like one of the largest hurricanes ever. Already category 5. BE CAREFUL! GOD BLESS EVERYONE!
"

--------

20 mins after, Nat'l Weather Service, Alabama:
"
Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian. We repeat, no impacts from Hurricane #Dorian will be felt across Alabama. The system will remain too far east. #alwx
"

--------

Trump also made the claim at same meeting when discussing how he's never heard of a cat 5... so people made fun of the moron... so obviously moron can't admit he was wrong & lies about his claim:

--------

"
Such a phony hurricane report by lightweight reporter @jonkarl of @ABCWorldNews. I suggested yesterday at FEMA that, along with Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina, even Alabama could possibly come into play, which WAS true. They made a big deal about this...
....when in fact, under certain original scenarios, it was in fact correct that Alabama could have received some “hurt.” Always good to be prepared! But the Fake News is only interested in demeaning and belittling. Didn’t play my whole sentence or statement. Bad people!
"
============================

Alabama was not in danger at the time he said & tweeted it (as is clear by NWS - a federal agency - immediately tweeting to correct him)

he -never- can admit a mistake...

unfit
smart dude
Member
Tue Sep 03 00:27:16
Listen, there was always a chance the hurricane could have taken an abrupt western turn, cut through Florida, enter the Gulf of Mexico, and thread the needle between Louisiana and Mississippi, completely missing those 2 states.
Rugian
Member
Tue Sep 03 09:27:03
Sd,

Why would the hurricane need to travel between Louisiana and Mississippi to reach Alabama? Arkansas, maybe, but not Alabama.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 03 11:28:55
Trump was wrong as he doesn't pay attention and he's a moron, accept it. Proof: The NWS (& others) wouldn't immediately contradict him if Alabama was in danger. Debate closed.

==============

he's also now saying the trade deficit w/ China is $600 billion... for a long time he would say $500 billion (which is also incorrectly high)

mental illness
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 03 11:36:43
"Based on the IG Report, the whole Witch Hunt against me and my administration was a giant and illegal SCAM."
~ a liar


it was not...

a president launching repeated false criminal accusations is somehow acceptable...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 03 11:47:25

Pence is staying at Trump's property in Ireland... a critic's characterization:

"
The VP is staying a 3 hour drive from Irish capital, necessitating costly helicopters, all so that his visit to Ireland can put cash in the boss’s pocket. Normal federal employees go to prison for such schemes
"
(David Frum)
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Tue Sep 03 11:53:30
David Frum

lol
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 03 12:39:05
because the facts are different depending who says it, right?

Pence & entourage are staying at Trump's property, Pence's business is in the capital, Pence is taking helicopters due to the distance
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Tue Sep 03 12:42:52
"because the facts are different depending who says it, right?"

nopes.
facts are facts.
frum's a douche and has always been a douche.
CrownRoyal
Member
Tue Sep 03 13:12:08
"Pence & entourage are staying at Trump's property"

impressive how great donald is at this, just getting rich off US taxpayers and off foreigners who lobby him, right there in the open. There are two pretty unambiguous clauses in the US constitution that state how this should not be happening, and yet it is
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 04 01:57:08
"
The truth is that we have a nation that is disgusted with the FBI. We have a crisis of confidence in the number one law enforcement agency in this country (thanks Comey!).
"
~Trump

"
“To declassify is so important because if this were a Democrat President or a Democrat Candidate, that was spied on the way President Trump was spied on, this would be a scandal that would make Watergate look like nothing. Illegal spying on the President of the United States.” @charliekirk11 @trish_regan
"
~the President quoting total lies from presumably Charlie Kirk or Trish Regan on Fox News


[fact: no one spied on Trump at all... & no one -illegally- spied on anyone]


hard to tell why faith in the FBI is down...

absurdly unfit
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 04 12:20:14
“It looks like he’s not even trying, but he thinks he’s trying. To him, all the watching TV and tweeting is work, so he believes he’s on the clock 24-7, 365.”
~ Barbara Res (former high level exec of Trump Org)


that was my assessment too as a Trump expert
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 04 12:57:14

"How Mike Pence shat on the new carpet in Ireland’s spare room"
http://www...ireland-s-spare-room-1.4006979

if it had been Trump you wouldn't know if figurative or literal...

in this case it's over Pence's comments on Brexit
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Wed Sep 04 14:35:14
"hard to tell why faith in the FBI is down..."


JOHN KIRIAKOU: In Search of a Russiagate Scalp: The Entrapment of Maria Butina

August 28, 2019 • 84 Comments


In need of a “collusion” connection, top FBI officials have now been shown to be behind the false portrayal of an unregistered lobbyist as a spy.

By John Kiriakou
Special to Consortium News

Much has been written about Maria Butina, the Russian “spy” who was accused of seeking to infiltrate the National Rifle Association and other organizations to try to gain a foothold in the Trump campaign and, later, in the White House. Much of it turned out to be nonsense. Butina wasn’t a spy. She wasn’t charged with spying. She wasn’t accused of being a spy. But that’s how the media branded her. The important thing is that there actually were spies around her. And they weren’t who you might have thought.

In the Butina case, the FBI and the Justice Department needed a scalp in the midst of the frenzy about the ultimaely unproven collusion theory of “Russiagate,” and so Butina was charged and convicted of “conspiracy to fail to register as an agent of a foreign government.” Seriously. Let me explain what that means. The Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) was passed into law in 1938. It “requires persons acting as agents of foreign principals in a political or quasi-political capacity to make periodic public disclosure of their relationship with the foreign principal, as well as activities, receipts, and disbursements in support of those activities.” The law, the registration, and the database are meant to keep track of foreign lobbyists. Nothing more.

In realistic terms it means this: In 2008, I was hired by the Abu Dhabi Chamber of Commerce to write a series of op-eds in support of doing business in the city. I wrote four op-eds and they paid me a fee. But I had to go to the Justice Department’s FARA website and register as a “foreign agent,” meaning that I was being paid by a foreign government. No problem. It didn’t mean that I was a “secret agent” for Abu Dhabi. It just meant that I was temporarily in the employ of a foreign government.

Washington attorneys and lobbyists do this kind of thing every day. And more often than not, they don’t register, either because they are too busy, they don’t realize that they have to, or they don’t believe, as in the current case of Washington super lawyer Greg Craig, that they have to. They are very rarely prosecuted.

Anybody can go to the FARA website and do a records search. I did one for the purpose of this article to search for people I know—attorneys, friends, acquaintances—and found many of them taking money from the governments of Libya, Chad, Jordan, Saudi Arabia (lots of them), Greece and other countries. It’s no big deal. It’s just a paperwork exercise.

In the case of Maria Butina, though, the paperwork was the hook to arrest her and to use her failure to register under FARA as leverage to get her to testify about her “work.” The problem, at least for the FBI, was that she wasn’t a spy. As things turned out, she really was just an overly-aggressive Russian grad student at American University who really, really loved guns and was trying to ingratiate herself with the NRA. But the Justice Department came down on her like a ton of bricks, forced her into taking a plea, and sentenced HER to 18 months in a federal prison: for conspiring to fail to fill out a form. The federal sentencing guidelines for a first-time offender violating this law is 0-6 months in a minimum-security work camp and a fine of up to $5,000. That, apparently, was never an option for Butina.

Forgive me if this is burying the lede, but I also want to talk about how Maria Butina got into this predicament in the first place. We know that she was very active in the gun rights movement in both Russia and the U.S. and that she sought to improve contact between gun groups in both countries. We also know that she met and began dating Patrick Byrne, the founder and CEO of Overstock.com. We learned recently, thanks to Byrne himself, that he was a longtime FBI source and that the FBI directed him to begin dating Butina. He did so. And he reported back to the FBI that she was simply a graduate student. That wasn’t good enough for the FBI, though and, according to Byrne, he was instructed to go back to Butina, to begin a sexual relationship with her, and to again report back to the FBI. He did that, too.

In the end, the Justice Department accused her publicly of “trading sexual favors” for access, an accusation that prosecutors had to withdraw. It was patently untrue. But that didn’t stop them from accusing her in the press of being a Russian spy, which she was not. And it didn’t stop the judge from giving her three times the maximum sentence called for by the sentencing guidelines.

I will ask your forgiveness again if I sound like a broken record. But this is how the FBI makes their cases. They entrap people. I’ve written extensively about how the FBI brazenly carried out a sting operation against me (unsuccessfully) that could have resulted in an espionage conviction and as much as 30 years in prison. They did the same thing to Butina.

Butina wasn’t committing a crime, so they just made something up, leaked it to the press, allowed it to influence the public and the judge, and hoped she would cave and take a plea. She did. Byrne went on CNN last week to say that two of the three people who instructed him to do all of this were James Comey, Peter Strzok, and another as-yet-unnamed individual. The operation was hatched at the top. The whole story sickens me.

With the deck stacked the way it was, there was probably nothing that Butina or her attorneys could have done to save her. The fix was in. I wish I had been able to convey to her something that one of my attorneys said to me on the day that I finally took a plea to a greatly reduced charge in 2012: “Do you know what your problem is? Your problem is that you think this is about justice. It’s not about justice. It’s about mitigating damage.” Nice system we have.

John Kiriakou is a former CIA counterterrorism officer and a former senior investigator with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. John became the sixth whistleblower indicted by the Obama administration under the Espionage Act — a law designed to punish spies. He served 23 months in prison as a result of his attempts to oppose the Bush administration’s torture program.

http://con...he-entrapment-of-maria-butina/
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 04 14:44:27
for the 'holy shit, he's deranged' file:

earlier today Trump held up a very early map of Dorian projections... w/ a marker adding another line to make it hit Alabama... (& who is known for his love of markers?)

it was stupid enough w/o the marker, as that map was ancient, and certainly not relevant today, nor when he made the Alabama comments

he can't let it go... possible psychosis

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDo3fZCXsAISOGi?format=jpg

mentally ill
unfit unfit unfit
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 04 16:48:22
full context of the deranged behavior:

this is Trump's "update" on the hurricane:

http://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1169300628000124929

that's posted by them... the White House... that's an "update"... 'see, look at this really old map i drew on'... very helpful info there

just take some time to think about how crazy that was... he took time to request an old map, draw on the old map & create an update briefing devoid of any value or info to get it on camera


plus a reporter asked about the marker line & he claims there will be a new map coming w/ lines in Alabama, so apparently we continue down the rabbit hole...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 04 18:06:59
hooray, the new map...

"
This was the originally projected path of the Hurricane in its early stages. As you can see, almost all models predicted it to go through Florida also hitting Georgia and Alabama. I accept the Fake News apologies!
"
http://twi...ump/status/1169375550806351872

that's an August 28 map... 4 days before his Alabama comments

again... as the NWS corrected Trump, it is -proof- he was wrong no matter what map he digs up


imagine how a mentally fit adult might respond: 'sorry, i made a mistake' = end of story
McKobb
Member
Wed Sep 04 19:30:06
Dont drag us into this shit. Bama got nothing to do with it!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 04 21:55:40
Alabama owes Trump an apology for their geographical location
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 05 12:04:04
oh good, he's still talking about it... amongst attacks on Debra Messing:

"
Alabama was going to be hit or grazed, and then Hurricane Dorian took a different path (up along the East Coast). The Fake News knows this very well. That’s why they’re the Fake News!
"
~ unfit mass


he is provably wrong about Alabama being in danger (WHEN he said his comments)... is Fox News even touching this or just ostriching as usual over his crazy unfit behaviors?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 05 12:17:07
i'm gonna have to say, as stupid as this story is, it is yet again an incident on its own proving he should be removed

he made a false claim about the threat during a state of emergency, & instead of correcting it, he's quintupling?-down insisting he was right (& smearing the media) despite being provably wrong

-completely- unacceptable

Rugian
Member
Thu Sep 05 12:26:06
"Trump should be impeached for warning people to be careful during a hurricane"

Un-fucking-believable.
Rugian
Member
Thu Sep 05 12:30:25
Meanwhile, Debra Messing was calling black voters who dared to go off the Democratic reservation "mentally ill" and demanding that lists of people who attend Trump fundraising events should be published so that she can permanently blacklist them from projects shes works on.

But I guess that's all fine and well, since shes just an "actress" (even though Hollywood actors are hugely influential people with virtual cult followings and the means to voice their opinions to hundreds of millions, so it is right to call them out when they go batshit).
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 05 12:39:54
that's not my quote... he warned Alabama... Alabama was not in any danger when he did so... he could've admitted his mistake, but NOPE... dig up days old maps that sort of show Alabama could be hit, draw on them, do a fake hurricane 'update' to show it... & say the news is fake (BATSHIT CRAZY)


and Debra wasn't calling blacks who vote Trump mentally ill, she 'liked' a photo with that written on a church sign... as one does w/ funny pictures... (although your characterization is much fairer than perpetual LIAR Trump claiming Messing is "being accused of being a Racist because of the terrible things she said about blacks and mental illness")

i don't believe she even called for a blacklist... only a list of donors to some event... but i couldn't care less about Debra Messing
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 05 13:38:24
Buttigieg comments about this incident:

"
I'm really worried about him. I feel sorry for the president. And that is not the way we should feel about the most powerful figure in this country. Somebody on whose wisdom and judgment our lives literally depend. I don't know if he felt it necessary to pull out a sharpie and change his map, I don't know if one of his aides believed they had to do that in order to protect his ego. No matter how you cut it, this is an unbelievably sad state of affairs for our country. If our presidency isn't in good shape then our country isn't in good shape. On one level it is laughable, on another, it is exactly why we need something different.

And by the way, I also think it's why you're seeing a lot of independents and people who have voted Republican over the years saying you know what, this has become something we've all got to pull together and create an alternative to, because we just as a country cannot go on with these. This is humiliating, this is an embarrassing moment for our country, and we seem to see a new national embarrassment every day.
"

[again... Trump is PROVABLY wrong... there aren't 2 sides to this, there are no opinions in play]
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 05 15:46:41
awesome, he's still going for it...

"
Just as I said, Alabama was originally projected to be hit. The Fake News denies it!
[w/ a Aug 29 projection map...]
"
http://twi...ump/status/1169705282123046913

too bad Aug 29, 30 & 31st passed before Trump made his comments... more totally irrelevant nonsense from a fucking psycho liar

u.n.f.i.t.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 05 18:25:05
Jake Tapper tweets:

"
After his 3 pm live shot today, Fox Sr WH correspondent John Roberts was beckoned to the Oval Office by Trump.

The president had one argument to make: he wasn’t wrong about Alabama.

“He stressed to me that forecasts for Dorian last week had Alabama in the warning cone,” Roberts wrote in an intern Fox email obtained by CNN. “He insisted that it is unfair to say Alabama was never threatened by the storm.”

Roberts’ analysis of the meeting was that the president was “just looking for acknowledgement that he was not wrong for saying that at some point, Alabama was at risk – even if the situation had changed by the time he issued the tweet,” Sunday morning.

The president also provided Roberts with these visual aids to argue his point: [old maps]

Roberts referred a reporter to Fox News PR when asked for comment. Fox News PR did not immediately respond to a message.

Roberts says he pointed out to the president that by the time of his Sunday 10:51 am ET tweet warning Alabama (as well as other states) of the storm, the projected trajectory of the storm had moved much farther east and was no longer including any part of Alabama.

Trump “seemed to agree that the forecast track had moved – but he was adamant that at some point, Alabama was at risk,” Roberts wrote.

"He also reminded that on occasions in the past, forecast tracks have changed dramatically,” Roberts wrote.
"
--------------

TLDR: psycho Trump called in Fox News reporter to try to get him to agree Trump has been right using his irrelevant old maps & his change in claim to 'at some point' Alabama in the possible path


the tweets seems accurate... they wrote a pretty shitty article (doesn't really say he was right, but doesn't note how he's clearly wrong... repeating some of his quotes, but not noting they are bullshit):

http://www...y-dorian-shares-forecast-model
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Sep 06 11:52:29
unsurprisingly Trump again sticking to the story & attacking media... & i know Hannity was willing to back him up that Alabama at some point was in the projected paths... unfortunately that was NEVER the issue

he said on Sept 1 - 'looking like Alabama will get hit much harder than anticipated'

Sept 1, Sept1, Sept 1

NWS immediately correcting him is WHY it was ever a story


this assault on truth is amazing & disturbing
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Sep 06 13:34:19
more assault on truth

from "Trump War Room" (Trump campaign):

"
SICK: Part-Time Mayor Pete Buttigieg appears to justify abortion even *after* a baby is born, suggesting life does not begin until a baby takes its first breath.

Democrats are the party of infanticide!
"
http://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1170020883383164928

the ONLY thing he mentioned was 'parts of the bible say life begins at breath' while having a discussion about abortion... NOWHERE does he remotely suggest if you can kill a birthed baby before it takes a breath it's fine

& Trump has already suggested multiple times Dems support killing babies after birth already
(that's never been the issue when opposing certain pro-life bills)



if Trump wins again, we are doomed, simple as that
Forwyn
Member
Fri Sep 06 15:25:24
Vetoed the opening of a WCC in his town, wants to repeal the Hyde Amendment, shows up at NARAL townhalls, avoids direct questions about where he wants to cutoff with pandering "I trust women"

I, for one, am excited for the inevitable "official BS by delusional fraud POTUS#13"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Sep 06 16:11:01
just ponder what kind of piece (or pieces) of garbage at Trump HQ listened to Buttigieg's comments & decided to twist it into claiming he supports infanticide

(& no... they weren't joking... as funny as infanticide is...)


thread #13 should be good... but i bet the ones in the #20s will be amazing
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