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Paramount
Member
Thu Sep 12 11:18:47
Trump plans ban on sale of flavoured e-cigarettes

US President Donald Trump has announced that his administration will ban flavoured e-cigarettes, after a spate of vaping-related deaths.

There have been six deaths ...


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49667688

Six people has died and Trump is already planning to take away your freedoms and ban e-cigarettes.

Well, just like guns, e-cigs don’t kill. Is is people who kill.
Forwyn
Member
Thu Sep 12 11:47:12
Nanny-state New York values cuck kowtowing to big tobacco
Average Ameriacn
Member
Thu Sep 12 11:53:16
I have never seen the Marlboro man vaping. Is vaping un-American? Did the trend start in China or Africa or where does it come from?
State Department
Member
Thu Sep 12 16:58:41
Meanwhile, someone dies every 66 seconds due to cig smoking.
kargen
Member
Thu Sep 12 17:30:22
I see one of two possible solutions neither of which will be considered by government. Either ban all tobacco products and make e-cigs available by prescription only for those addicted to nicotine or stay out of peoples lives and let them put into their bodies what they want.

And you are correct e-cigs do not kill. Using them other than intended can kill though.
hood
Member
Thu Sep 12 20:47:29
There is no conclusive evidence that ecigs don't kill.
kargen
Member
Thu Sep 12 21:00:42
hood is correct. They may eventually find that using the product as intended will kill. If/when they do then one of the two responses I posted should be the action taken.
I vote for government staying out of it for the most part. The companies shouldn't be able to hide that their product is dangerous but once we know the possible consequences it should be up to adults to choose for themselves.
hood
Member
Thu Sep 12 21:15:30
As long as they're willing to pay out their asshole for medical care, since they become an undue burden on society.
Forwyn
Member
Thu Sep 12 22:29:44
"There is no conclusive evidence that ecigs don't kill."

Congratulations, a negative hasn't been proven.
Forwyn
Member
Thu Sep 12 22:41:49
http://imgur.com/gallery/fZpdNCw
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 12 23:10:27
Melanie has a son & she's concerned about it, so whaddya gonna do

http://twitter.com/HelenKennedy/status/1171887010015059968
Paramount
Member
Fri Sep 13 00:30:07
”They may eventually find that using the product as intended will kill.”

I doubt it. They still have not found out that using a gun as intended will kill.
hood
Member
Fri Sep 13 00:41:44
No, clinical retard. There's pretty clearly evidence that tobacco isn't good for you. Any argument that ecigs are somehow magical and prevent tobacco related harm would need to be proven scientifically.

There's a reason insurance companies don't care whether you vape or smoke, they still charge you extra.
kargen
Member
Fri Sep 13 01:50:56
"They still have not found out that using a gun as intended will kill."

Sure they have. Everybody admits guns when used correctly can and do kill. Hunters kinda depend on that happening.

The disagreement is that the guns are creating mass murderers. The mass murderers would be there whether there was a gun or not.

Just like people will find a way to vape THC oils even if government bans the use of e-cigs. When prohibition passed people didn't say well fuck guess I'm sober from here on out.
Paramount
Member
Fri Sep 13 10:13:59
”Sure they have. Everybody admits guns when used correctly can and do kill.”

In that case they should change their slogan ”Guns don’t kill people” to ”Guns kill people”.
kargen
Member
Fri Sep 13 20:26:22
Doesn't matter the slogan the truth is people intent on killing others will find a way. But for your slogan to be accurate it would need to be "guns don't kill people, people sometimes use guns to kill people."
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Sep 14 00:46:43
"guns make killing people much easier"
Forwyn
Member
Sat Sep 14 11:53:58
"nukes make killing people much easier"
kargen
Member
Sat Sep 14 15:50:53
nah there are easier ways. Guns let you be more selective though.
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