Utopia Talk / Politics / Dem debate

superdude Member	Fri Sep 13 00:07:27 "I believe in Obama's slogan of "FUCK YOU!! PAY ME!! If elected I'll Fuck you all and demand you pay me for the honor" Joe "my career died at the 1988 Iowa state fair" Biden "You and Obama didn't fuck hard enough and didn't demand enough money. I promise the average American will walk funny for decades and be paying for it for generations!!" Bernie "hard fuck" Sanders "My Grandpa Sitting Bull gave me the family dildo with one request 'Honor our people Fuck the American people fuck them hard and fuck them good!' When I seize the White House I will FUCK with fury and gusto!! Men, women and children !! NO One will be spared!! and you will pay!! ohhh will you fuckers pay!!!" Elizabeth "pocha" Warren
Dukhat Member	Fri Sep 13 00:18:13 Noone will read this except your cirlejerk of 3 or 4 cuckservative incels left on this board.
superdude Member	Fri Sep 13 00:21:19 That's more people than watched the debate. You might be surprised but I watched the football game.
Rugian Member	Fri Sep 13 07:55:48 Like any true intellectual, Dukhat assiduously avoids reading any viewpoints that are contrary to his own, because his outlook on things is absolutely perfect and requires no reassessing whatsoever. Good for you, little man. Good for you. Anyway, this debate didnt really tell us anything we didnt already know. With all of the candidates calling for massively expanding the control of government in virtually every facet of society, reasonable voters should be majorly afraid of the prospect of a Democratic president by now.
hood Member	Fri Sep 13 08:39:09 For definitions of reasonable that mean something entirely different? Voting Republican for literally anything meets most colloquial definitions of insanity. It meets all definitions of stupid. Voting Republican is political wrist cutting.
jergul large member	Fri Sep 13 08:50:58 What is wrong with just fucking institutional investors by borrowing money at interest below that of inflation? Seems a time enough honoured tradition.
obaminated Member	Fri Sep 13 11:52:34 I appreciate this. My gf has been texting me.
kargen Member	Fri Sep 13 15:07:16 "Like any true intellectual, Dukhat assiduously avoids reading any viewpoints that are contrary to his own," Nah he read it. Probably twice his lips moving both times and though he kind of instinctively knows this is probably something he should disagree with he really didn't get the gist.
superdude Member	Sun Oct 13 23:04:32 Anther debate Tuesday
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Oct 13 23:36:36 i hope they talk about healthcare at length yet again
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Oct 13 23:55:22 "Voting Republican [or Democrat] for literally anything meets most colloquial definitions of insanity. It meets all definitions of stupid. Voting Republican [or Democrat] is political wrist cutting." Agreed. They're both fucked, and one being more fucked than the other doesn't absolve either of them of being fucked.
Rugian Member	Mon Oct 14 09:35:21 hood Member Fri Sep 13 08:39:09 Voting Republican for literally anything meets most colloquial definitions of insanity. ---- As opposed to voting Democrat, which would result in a trebling of the national budget to pay for genociding cows and slave reparations? Where does that rank on the scale of insanity, exactly?
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Oct 14 11:19:32 “As opposed to voting Democrat, which would result in a trebling of the national budget ” How would that affect you, even if it happens?
Rugian Member	Mon Oct 14 12:12:04 I'm a taxpayer, for one. And my economic success depends on the continued prosperity of the national free market, for another.
Crownroyal Member	Mon Oct 14 14:55:37 Sure, I am asking what does national budget mean for you as a taxpayer, and what does national budget mean for prosperity of the national free market. Could you be a little more specific
Rugian Member	Mon Oct 14 15:12:08 Are you joking?
Crownroyal Member	Mon Oct 14 15:45:17 No. How does national budget trembling affects you? Whatever that means. What is national budget? Outlays? Or did you want to say budget deficit.
Crownroyal Member	Mon Oct 14 15:45:44 trebling not trembling
Rugian Member	Mon Oct 14 16:13:49 If I really have to explain to you how federal budgets are primarily funded through taxation, then you probably dont belong in the conversation in the first place.
Rugian Member	Mon Oct 14 16:16:25 And yes, I am aware of AOC's brilliant plan to "just have the Fed print the money!"...but you'll forgive me if I dont place too much faith in that being a sane option either.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Oct 14 16:18:09 Trump raised spending while lowering taxes... there appears to be no connection spend spend spend
Rugian Member	Mon Oct 14 16:22:21 Tw, Theres a huge difference between running annual deficits of 4% and 40% of GDP. One of those is problematic and is likely to cause long-term problems if not eventually rectified. The other is an economy destroyer.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Oct 14 16:46:02 “If I really have to explain to you how federal budgets are primarily funded through taxation, then you probably dont belong in the conversation in the first place.” You wanted to explain how federal budget affects you. For example since Obama left office, budget deficit went from like 600billion to a around a trillion, how did that affect you?
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Oct 14 16:51:51 “One of those is problematic and is likely to cause long-term problems if not eventually rectified. The other is an economy destroyer.” You have nothing to back up the speculation of a 40% federal budget deficit is coming anytime soon, with any Dem president. In fact, you should only vote for Dem presidents, if budget deficit is your concern. That is backed up by numbers for the past half century, even if it is only correlation
Rugian Member	Mon Oct 14 16:58:33 "since Obama left office, budget deficit went from like 600billion to a around a trillion" Fucking Paul Ryan. Anyway, if you think that far-left Democrats are going to be able to finance GND (estimated to cost at least $90 trillion, and presumably to be fully incurred over the next decade if we want to meet the 12-year window we supposedly have left to save the planet), plus the myriad of other programs and free shit that have been promised, with nothing but deficit spending...the inevitable resulting debt crisis springs to mind.
Rugian Member	Mon Oct 14 17:04:08 I'm not even going to get into how one of the leading presidential candidates is openly contemptuous of capitalism, while another merely wants to severely undermine private enterprise by forcing corporations to be legally answerable to "stakeholders" (re: government boards and labor organizations). Nor am I going to get into how the various Democratic proposals would require a huge and unprecedented concentration of power into the federal government, and more specifically in the executive branch, and would completely destroy the federal structure of our union. I know you dont care about that. But there's too many ways in which the far left are going to destroy the America that we know, and the economy that we enjoy, for us to ignore. It's an unavoidable outcome of a Democratic administration in 2021.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Oct 14 17:07:42 “Anyway, if you think that far-left Democrats” I have no idea wtf you are talking about. You cite no outlays, no revenues, the no economic conditions described at all. I can’t speculate how much the presumed program will cost. I asked how you think you might be affected and you just give me generalizations
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Oct 14 17:08:55 “I'm not even going to get into how one of the leading presidential candidates is openly contemptuous of capitalism, while another merely wants to severely undermine private enterprise by forcing corporations to be legally answerable to "stakeholders" (re: government boards and labor organizations). “ Are you concerned as a shareholder? Or as a worker?
hood Member	Mon Oct 14 17:09:45 "openly contemptuous of capitalism" Unbridled, lawless capitalism is a driving reason of the national debt. If certain groups of people were to remove the corporate dick from their mouths, assholes, and vicegrip hands...
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Oct 14 17:11:10 “It's an unavoidable outcome of a Democratic administration in 2021.” So, we can go by you theory or by history. Dem administration = smaller budget deficits. GOP administration = larger budget deficits
Rugian Member	Mon Oct 14 17:38:26 Hey Alkie - If you had bothered with not just talking past me, you would have seen that I already outlined approximately $9 trillion of incremental outlays. It's not my problem if you cant be bothered to read shit. Other additional outlays include, but are no means limited to - forcing the entire populace to join Medicare for All, making college free, increasing SS benefits, giving illegals public health benefits, creating several benefit funds to benefit minorities, federally-funded abortions for all, and sending police to seize every AR-15 in the country not surrendered under the fake Hispanic's mandatory gun buyback program. To name but just a few. All of these ideas have received plenty of press attention, which means you either dont read the news anymore or you're being intentionally argumentative. In either case, its severely testing my patience. As a shareholder, the last thing I would want is for my company to have to kowtow to the will of some activist progressive government department with the power to issue wide-ranging "Dear Colleague"-type directives which are legally enforceable. So I dont know what your point was there. Anyway, I do recognize that even if all of the above expenditures were put into place, it would be possible that the deficit still wouldn't be increased. Which brings me back to my concerns as a taxpayer. I dont want to pay for any of this garbage.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Oct 14 18:04:03 “If you had bothered with not just talking past me, you would have seen that I already outlined approximately $9 trillion of incremental outlays. It's not my problem if you cant be bothered to read shit. ” And the revenues are....? See, that’s why I tried to help you, I tried to gently point out how budget bottom line reflects both outlays and revenues. So, in order to score a budget, you need to present both. And I mean, not your speculations. “As a shareholder, the last thing I would want is for my company to have to kowtow to the will of some activist progressive government department with the power to issue wide-ranging "Dear Colleague"-type directives which are legally enforceable. So I dont know what your point was there. ” Cool, and as a non shareholder you might have a different opinion. Now, with every policy, there are winners and losers, maybe there are more non shareholders, I wouldn’t know. That is even if we leave aside the fact that working with stakeholders might be beneficial to shareholders, you do realize how there are different opinions out there. Basically, as a worker you have no concerns, that is what I wanted you to address, only as a shareholder.
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