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Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Sep 15 15:22:58
You heard the news. Could the Houtis have pulled this off alone?
Paramount
Member
Sun Sep 15 16:11:28
If a kid can fly a drone, the Houti army can. It is like playing a video game.
superdude
Member
Sun Sep 15 17:49:52
There were 10 drones in a coordinated attack on a secured target. Iran is behind this.
Forwyn
Member
Sun Sep 15 21:02:40
Maybe Saudi Arabia should get the fuck out of Yemen and stop trying to prop up a government attempting to rule in absentia.
Pillz
Member
Sun Sep 15 22:07:00
Is hadi still hiding out of country?
Forwyn
Member
Sun Sep 15 22:13:46
Still hanging out in Riyadh, under house arrest, last I heard
yankeessuck123
Member
Sun Sep 15 22:37:45
The tanker shenanigans didn't work out, so clearly we must find *something* to pin on the Iranians to justify war.
Paramount
Member
Mon Sep 16 01:21:21
It was probably Israel. They have a long a history of using drones and attacking its neighbors.
Paramount
Member
Mon Sep 16 01:23:14
Except that this time the Houtis said it was them :p
jergul
large member
Mon Sep 16 01:25:44
Lets denote now and forever that the weak link for oil supply is oil transit facilities (including purification) and not oil tankers (that are notoriously hard to sink or even deter).

As I have been saying for a while as this has been true for at least a decade.

The attack complexity is trivial, but had to involve Saudi disidents or long term guest workers in Saudi Arabia (people who would have qualified for citizenship long ago in a civilised country).

The level of Iranian involvement is less than that of US involvement in ISIL attacks using ATGMs in Syria (assuming a US made ATGM).

Amazing the disconnect. Saudi Arabia has been bombing Yemen for years and yet this is supposed to be an unconnected and illegal attack.

SD
Secured? What air defence batteries were securing the sites and failed so singularly?

The Sauds need to do the same thing Russia does to defeat drone attacks and deploy air defence systems to vulnerable infrastructure.

Russia has shot down 100ds of drones.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Sep 16 04:45:51
Right. This whole thing would have been much easier to execute directly from Saudi soil. Wouldn't it have been much easier to smuggle in the hardware into Saudi Arabia, than to attack all the way from Iraq or Yemen?
Dukhat
Member
Mon Sep 16 05:34:49
Can't wait until we're off oil. All these fucking pointless conflicts.
Paramount
Member
Mon Sep 16 05:58:43
Is anyone (except for Trump) really upset and angry though that Saudi Arabia got attacked?
Allahuakbar
Member
Mon Sep 16 06:05:16
Me!
Allahuakbar
Member
Mon Sep 16 06:07:58
Erdogan, too:
http://www...on-saudi-oil-facilities-146582
"Turkish Foreign Ministry on Sept. 15 condemned the drone attacks on two facilities of Saudi Arabia’s state-owned oil company Aramco."
Paramount
Member
Mon Sep 16 06:08:42
Yeah, and maybe Hot Rod also, in his grave.
Rugian
Member
Mon Sep 16 06:43:12
Paramount
Member Mon Sep 16 05:58:43
"Is anyone (except for Trump) really upset and angry though that Saudi Arabia got attacked?"

Crude is currently up by 8%, so to answer your question...anyone who relies on an internal combustion engine for transit.
CrownRoyal
Member
Mon Sep 16 07:12:58
We are all wahhabis today, what rugian is saying
CrownRoyal
Member
Mon Sep 16 07:17:20
"Saudi Arabia oil supply was attacked. There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!"


http://twi...ump/status/1173368423381962752

While we wait for the Kingdom's word, lets just pray that MBs does not order Donald to do something dumb
Rugian
Member
Mon Sep 16 07:18:35
I think SA is going to have an easier time going forward of convincing DC of the necessity of future arms sales and a Riyadh-friendly Middle East strategic outlook, yes.
CrownRoyal
Member
Mon Sep 16 07:32:44
I know. And praise Allah, exalted be He
Rugian
Member
Mon Sep 16 07:37:59
Yawn.
CrownRoyal
Member
Mon Sep 16 07:46:51
don't take it personally, you are not alone. Everyone who drives wants to bomb Iran today, people are upset and angry
Rugian
Member
Mon Sep 16 08:04:10
If that's your trollish way of agreeing with me that spikes in gasoline prices would be likely to provoke far more anger among the general American public than anything Saudi Arabia has done in recent history, then okay.
CrownRoyal
Member
Mon Sep 16 08:08:53
Btw, you analysis of what Saudis will be able to achieve in DC, just might be wrong. Guess whose opinion is this, I will give you three attempts.

"Saudi Arabia should fight their own wars, which they won't, or pay us an absolute fortune to protect them and their great wealth-$ trillion!"

http://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/506198852933013504

Allahuakbar
Member
Mon Sep 16 08:13:25
Maybe the climate activists have done the bombing? They would LOVE to see oil rich nations Iran and Saudi-Arabia fight each other.
jergul
large member
Mon Sep 16 08:15:22
Saudi Arabia should just buy and deploy short range air defence systems around key sites...and raise its production price from 3.80 USD to say 4 dollars and 15 cents a barrel.

It still has the lowest production costs anywhere.

The only thing US meddling helps protect is Saudi profit margins.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Mon Sep 16 09:11:59

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Trump awaits instructions from his Saudi masters. Having our country act as Saudi Arabia's bitch is not "America First."


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Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump
Saudi Arabia oil supply was attacked. There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!


8:13 PM - 15 Sep 2019
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Sep 16 10:48:18
"Could the Houtis have pulled this off alone?"

Not a chance. Those blast points were very accurate. One wonders if iranian drines could have done this too?
Paramount
Member
Mon Sep 16 10:48:51
Lol, I suspected Rugian would side with Saudi Barbaria, but I was hoping I was wrong.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Sep 16 11:09:47
The Houthis responding to years of bombings is not only justified, it is expected.

Lulz @ ISIS-oil buying Turkey sounding off with the mutual butthurt
Rugian
Member
Mon Sep 16 11:12:54
Noting that people are going to be pissed that oil facilities are being bombed != siding with Saudi Arabia.

I guarantee you that all the dead children in Sana'a wouldn't generate a tenth of the outrage that gas price hikes would.
Daemon
Member
Mon Sep 16 11:13:51
They've used suicide drones in several previous attacks. Is it really that difficult to hit big buildings with them? Here's a pic of a 2017 drone:
https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned/2019/05/21/how-yemens-rebels-increasingly-deploy-drones/

Are their drones remote controlled or do the follow a fixed flight path?
Rugian
Member
Mon Sep 16 11:16:11
Saudi Arabia is a fucked up country and its ruling family is majorly overdue for a huge comeuppance.

At the same time, people want cheap oil way more than they care about beheaded homos or bulldozed Islamic shrines or women drivers or anything related to the Yemen.
Paramount
Member
Mon Sep 16 11:26:54
What if that video of the Houti commander who says it was them is a deep fake video, made by the Israelis?
jergul
large member
Mon Sep 16 13:03:47
Sammy
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Trivial to target. Your mistake is basing your thoughts on a drone launch from Yemen or Iran...

Instead of from 50 m below the crest of a the third ridge to the north east.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Mon Sep 16 13:28:29
robert mueller will get to the bottom of this,just as he did with 9/11 .
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Sep 16 15:25:23
"Instead of from 50 m below the crest of a the third ridge to the north east."

Indeed, but people really like that extravagant hard to explain kind of answers. I'm gonna go with Iranian rail gun from orbit.
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Sep 16 19:09:48
Bandar abbas should probably get hit.
jergul
large member
Tue Sep 17 04:32:10
Saudi Arabia should probably just ask Russia for comprehensive know-how on how to protect vulnerable installations from these kinds of nuisance attacks.
jergul
large member
Tue Sep 17 05:14:58
lol, I just checked TASS. Russia has already offered air defences to SA (for purchase) after the attack :).
Average Ameriacn
Member
Tue Sep 17 09:34:24
Iran did it!!!!

http://edi...tack-iran-base-intl/index.html



Saudi and US investigators have determined "with very high probability" that the weekend attack on the Saudi oil industry was launched from an Iranian base in Iran close to the border with Iraq, according to a source familiar with the investigation.

The attack involved cruise missiles -- along with drones -- flying at low altitude, the source said, and their trajectory was from the north of the Abqaiq oil plant, which was struck by more than a dozen projectiles in the early hours of Saturday morning.

The missiles, according to the investigators' current assessment, flew over southern Iraq and through Kuwaiti airspace before reaching their targets. Kuwait on Monday announced it had launched an investigation into reports of sightings of drones or missiles shortly before the Saudi targets were hit.
obaminated
Member
Wed Sep 18 19:05:35
Time to start ass fucking iranians.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Sep 18 23:21:13
Or, during the last 50 years of american history there has been plenty of time to learn two things:

1. To not get sucked into wars by war mongers
2. Get involved in conflicts between tyrannical shitholes.

Any day now.
jergul
large member
Thu Sep 19 00:22:04
Obam
There is no fucking way those missiles and drones shown flew in from Iran, or even Iraq. They don't have the range.

As to produced in Iran. So what? The arms industry is a global industry. Weapons from anywhere can be found everywhere.

mexicantardnado
Member
Thu Sep 19 04:10:59
duuuur if my duuuur hero duuur trumps says duuur war with duuuur iran then duuuuur I say duuur go! duuuuuurrrrrrrrrr im duuuuuuuurrr
Paramount
Member
Thu Sep 19 11:10:54
U.S. drone strike kills 30 pine nut farm workers in Afghanistan

http://www...afghanistan-idUSKBN1W40NW?il=0

I think Afghanistan has a right to defend itself and should now start to bomb the US.
obaminated
Member
Thu Sep 19 11:35:10
Lol, jergul says no way this can be Iran. Then who? Who else does this? You are such a stooge.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Sep 19 13:25:48
Surely, your inability to provide an answer isn't evidence for anything other than exactly that inability. Houthis with the help of Shia fifth column smuggle in the hardware and launch the attack from Saudi soil. Houthis said that the attack was executed with the help of people inside Saudi Arabia. So far the Saudi accusation is "this was sponsored by Iran". We can only hope.

You have to appreciate how inept Arabs are at anything military to understand why they fear Iran so much. Irans march to the med through Iraq and Syria was a stroll in the park in comparison the utter failure of the Gulf Arabs in Yemen. For fuck sake Iran raised, trained and maintained Hezbollah the most effective paramilitary organization that bruise Israel in 2006 long before this land bridge was established. Not over selling their capabilities vs Israel, but to contrast this with how shitty Arab military capabilities are, despite hundreds of billion of high tech US hardware and Iran working with a patch work of native, Russian, Chinese and North korean gear. LOL :)
Paramount
Member
Fri Sep 20 00:32:07
After having attacked illegitimate civilian targets for years in Yemen, Saudi Barbaria has now launched an attacked on legitimate military targets:


Saudi-led coalition launches military operation north of Hodeidah in Yemen

DUBAI (Reuters) - The Saudi-led coalition on Friday launched a military operation north of Yemen’s port city of Hodeidah against what it described as “legitimate military targets”, an incident that could aggravate regional tensions after a weekend attack on Saudi oil installations.

The coalition said it had destroyed four sites used in assembling remote-controlled boats and sea mines to help protect the freedom of maritime navigation.

“These sites are used to carry out attacks and terrorist operations that threaten shipping lines and international trade in the Bab al-Mandab Strait and the southern Red Sea,” coalition spokesman Colonel Turki al-Malki said in a statement.

http://www...ah-in-yemen-idUSKBN1W434R?il=0
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Sep 20 01:01:26
lol Para :)
jergul
large member
Mon Sep 23 01:52:42
Obam
I am saying it is Iran in the same way the US is attacking the Assad regime in Syria with its anti tank guided missiles.

It delivers stuff to people with legitimate grounds to fight and then those people fight with the stuff.

In this case, people with a couple SUVs from a few hilltops away used google maps, a couple oil processing engineering texbooks, and a few drones to knock out 5% of the global oil supply.
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