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Mon Sep 30 13:33:05
Trump should seriously give each Democrat a beautiful thank you card.


Donations for Trump's 2020 war chest surge as impeachment bid fires up Republicans
The Telegraph Nick Allen,The Telegraph 21 hours ago
Donald Trump and the Republican party are using the prospect of impeachment to raise a record election war chest, firing up supporters and hauling in unprecedented amounts of money.

Republican officials said there had been a "groundswell" of support from the party's rank-and-file in the days after Democrats in Congress announced an impeachment inquiry into the president over the Ukraine scandal. It looks set to spur Mr Trump to an extraordinary total for the 2020 campaign, which could ultimately hit $2 billion.

In the 72 hours after Nancy Pelosi, the Democrat House speaker, announced the impeachment inquiry Mr Trump's re-election campaign took in $15 million, which his campaign manager Brad Parscale described as "amazing".

The more significant figure was that it included money from 50,000 new small donors, who were from all 50 states.

At one point Mr Trump sent out an email saying "I've done nothing wrong, trust me," asking for support for an "Impeachment Defense Task Force". Around $1 million arrived in the next three hours.

The impeachment inquiry was launched after a CIA whistle-blower raised the alarm about a July 25 telephone call between Mr Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskiy, the president of Ukraine.

Mr Trump is accused of pressuring Mr Zelenskiy to investigate Joe Biden, the Democrat front-runner, over business dealings his son Hunter had with an energy company in Ukraine. Both Bidens have denied any wrongdoing.

Meanwhile, donations to the Republican National Congressional Committee, which works to re-elect Republicans to Congress, saw donations up by over 600 per cent. Ronna McDaniel, chair of the Republican party, said supporters were "fired up".

The party's finance chairman, Todd Ricketts, told Yahoo: "Countless Americans are voting with their cheque books, resulting in an unprecedented amount of financial support."

In Nevada, the Republican party began marketing "Impeach this" t-shirts and merchandise.

Next week the scale of Mr Trump's war chest will become clear as a deadline to file third quarter totals with the Federal Election Commission approaches.

Mr Trump is known to have already raised over $200 million, which is more than the combined total for all two dozen Democrats who launched 2020 White House campaigns.

In a new Ipsos poll 64 per cent of Americans said the telephone call with Mr Zelenskiy represented a "serious problem". But only 17 per cent said they were "surprised" by it. Just three per cent were "very surprised".

White House officials launched a concerted defence of the president on Sunday. Rudy Giuliani, Mr Trump's lawyer, himself a central figure in the Ukraine affair, said: "If he [Mr Trump] hadn't asked them to investigate Biden, he would have violated the constitution."

Stephen Miller, adviser to Mr Trump, said: "The president is the whistle-blower here, and this individual [the CIA officer] is a saboteur trying to undermine a democratically elected government."

Congressman Adam Schiff, Democrat chairman of the House intelligence committee, said the whistle-blower had agreed to appear before the committee. His identity will be protected.

It was also "paramount" to obtain records of Mr Trump's conversations with Vladimir Putin, Mr Schiff added.

Mrs Pelosi said the American people were now on the side of an impeachment inquiry. She said: "In the public, the tide has completely changed."

Experts said it may lead to Mr Trump resolving his trade war with China. He could accept an imperfect deal in order to raise his approval rating at home.

Meanwhile, the Trump administration was reportedly continuing to investigate Hillary Clinton's emails from when she was secretary of state, and in recent weeks contacted up to 130 officials who sent emails to her.
the wanderer
Mon Sep 30 15:48:40

"a fool and his money are soon parted"
~ Jesus
Tue Oct 01 11:48:55
Trump is gonna win.
the wanderer
Tue Oct 01 12:00:26

his behavior in the last couple days proves he's unfit for office... just like his behavior before the last couple days... and his behavior every day going forward

may his supporters take off their blinders & swallow their pride for the survival of the nation

Tue Oct 01 12:36:15
Unfit according to a few unhinged leftists.
Wrath of Orion
Tue Oct 01 12:49:43
supertard calling anyone unhinged is pretty funny.
Tue Oct 01 12:52:14
Tue Oct 01 12:58:12
Gotta love it when superdude proves you right in 5 minutes.
the wanderer
Tue Oct 01 13:54:20
and of course to fit the Trump theme, that meme isn't even an accurate map (but it is close... which is far better than usual for Trump)

and it suggests dirt particles are more important than people

...also, Nixon won 49 states (actual landslide)
Tue Oct 01 16:51:41
To those of you who are familiar with tw's modus operandi, it will surprise no one to learn that hes parroting CNN here. That venerable organization was so triggered by Trumps tweet that they wrote up an entire article about how maps of election results by county are "grossly misleading" because land mass and population density are two different concepts.

Also, Nixon was a filthy liberal and China-lover.
Tue Oct 01 17:39:26
He is moving up if he is parroting CNN. Usually he just pulls things out his ass.
Tue Oct 01 18:02:25
"maps of election results by county are "grossly misleading" because land mass and population density are two different concepts."

Are you suggesting that land with a population of 0 people per square mile is actually voting? Or that said land is reasonable to include in a representation of the people who voted one way or the other? Or are you just disagreeing with reality again because fantasy is more appealing?
Tue Oct 01 18:16:35
Are you suggesting that election maps by county, which have hitherto been a common feature on articles about national elections and which were commonly understood to not be the same thing as maps of results by population, are now unable to be referenced, just because Trump used one?

Chalk that up to yet another thing that leftists have banned in reaction to their never-ending meltdown against GEOTUS.
Tue Oct 01 18:41:00
"Are you suggesting that election maps by county are now unable to be referenced."

Certainly not. But when they're used to support the false notion that a huge majority of the country supports the winner of the election (because so much empty dirt "voted" red), it is most certainly wrong to use such a map. It's a blatant lie.
Tue Oct 01 18:48:32
Not a majority, but not "empty dirt". Yes, you're discussing a landmass more than twice the size of the Roman Empire at its peak, but you're still discussing 63 million voters in 2016, and extrapolated out evenly from a population of 330 million, you're looking at 161 million. It's a lot less barren than implied.
the wanderer
Tue Oct 01 19:07:48
"parroting CNN here"

false actually, i saw no CNN article on this

the dirt vs people is obvious, i needed no help & hardly a new argument

however, the map being wrong is courtesy of George Conway twitter (then did my own research)

and for Nixon, i do admit i noticed many people using the Nixon response on Twitter when Lara Trump posted that meme several days ago


here's a map distorted by population for whatever stupid argument you people are having...
Tue Oct 01 19:12:35
Most of the space in the red sections of the map are indeed not lived on. Entire swaths of the Western States is unpopulated desert. The desert certainly didn't vote for anyone.

When you draw the correct map to accurately represent the data (because "by county" clearly doesn't), the red and blue portions are close enough to make distinguishing which color is more represented difficult for the naked eye. And this is the point. The empty dirt that takes up so much of the red area didn't vote, because dirt doesn't vote. The population map accurately represents the ~49% vote he received in 2016. In terms of area, most of the red on the county map is indeed empty dirt.
Tue Oct 01 19:15:08
Tw, this map is better (although I won't claim that it is 100% accurate; it's at least better than Trump's and yours):


There's a lot of colorless area, almost half of the map.
Tue Oct 01 19:20:08
Get a 2016 election map of counties by gdp
Tue Oct 01 20:02:50
"Entire swaths of the Western States is unpopulated desert."

Also owned by the federal government (like ~85% of Nevada), but that's for another discussion on another day.
the wanderer
Tue Oct 01 20:54:09
Trump is obviously using the (wrong) map to imply he has some overwhelming support.

This is obviously false, thus it is bullshit, thus this argument is over.

Let's stop battling the obvious.
Cherub Cow
Tue Oct 01 22:57:43
Clinton won the election anyways. That’s what’s important; her voters are more important than dirt. Oh wait? I mean, umm, [insert argument against the Electoral College here] ;)
Tue Oct 01 23:33:16
^ sunken to arguing against straw men.
Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Wed Oct 02 01:12:05
TRUMP lied about the map he showed the 2004 map.

This is the 2016


We also impeached Nixon despite him winning in an actual landslide.

Cherub Cow
Wed Oct 02 04:21:02
"^ sunken to arguing against straw men."

lol wut? :D

The arguments in this thread were that Trump's map...
• "suggests dirt particles are more important than people"
• [showed that] "empty dirt "voted" red"
and that..
• "The empty dirt that takes up so much of the red area didn't vote" and
• "most of the red on the county map is indeed empty dirt."

My joke was that that "empty dirt" managed to win the electoral college and thus "empty dirt" was indeed "more important than people" in terms of election outcome. My bracketed statement was then the prediction that an obligatory counter to the joke might be the CNN propaganda piece that the electoral college should be eliminated. That is not a straw man argument. That is a direct comment/joke to/about the dialogue in this thread. Hopefully you understand my meaning here, because I don't even want to think of how much I'll laugh if you've turned Seb ;D
Wed Oct 02 07:18:52
Wait, what? If anyone has built a false narrative and put words into someone's mouth, it would be the person who suggested that the argument that Trump shouldn't/Hillary should have won 2016 was relevant to the current discussion. If you're comfortable flippantly making an off topic joke, you should be as equally comfortable when someone flippantly points out that your joke was aimed at a line of reasoning that nobody entered into.
Wed Oct 02 15:29:18
The map that should be used would be a district map in the few states where that matters. The rest should just be a state map as delegates are an all or nothing deal.
Wed Oct 02 15:31:44
That's only if you're discussing an election, not general public support.
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