Utopia Talk / Politics / official BS by delusional fraud POTUS#14

tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 09 22:53:19 here's a doozy of idiocy if you understand how NATO works... Trump was asked if his selling out the Kurds would hurt our ability to get allies in the future, so Trump starts into his NATO spiel about how other countries aren't paying their shares... then starts claiming other nations owe us money, and they are delinquent, and he laments that if you don't pay the money it doesn't add up... yadda yadda http://twi...ump/status/1182112396837625857 the problem: the percents he's citing is what nations are supposed to spend on their own military budgets, NO ONE owes us, NO ONE is ever delinquent, it doesn't add up as there's nothing to accumulate he said this stupidity before but i assumed someone finally informed him of his ignorance... apparently not and he's so proud of his IDIOTIC answer, he has tweeted it (late in his word expulsion, he cites how the Kurds didn't help is Normandy, so they aren't really allies or something...) dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb...
Rugian Member	Thu Oct 10 08:56:08 Congrats on making it to #14, you obsessed crazy person. In your honor, here's some good ol' fashioned shitposting by the president to ruin your day: "From the day I announced I was running for President, I have NEVER had a good @FoxNews Poll. Whoever their Pollster is, they suck. But @FoxNews is also much different than it used to be in the good old days. With people like Andrew Napolitano, who wanted to be a Supreme Court Justice & I turned him down (he’s been terrible ever since), Shep Smith, @donnabrazile (who gave Crooked Hillary the debate questions & got fired from @CNN), & others, @FoxNews doesn’t deliver for US anymore. It is so different than it used to be. Oh well, I’m President!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 10 11:49:44 and you find that post acceptable (& mentally sound) by the President? anyone thinking Fox News isn't massively pro-Trump is fucking nuts... even if they don't fake polls as Trump wants
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 10 12:23:52 seems that Tillerson/Giuliani/Trump thing was a lot more corrupt than originally noted at end of episode #13 read or don't: Giuliani used Oval Office meeting with Trump and Tillerson to press for help for client http://www...llerson-oval-office/index.html
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 10 15:46:09 headline: "Bill Barr met privately with Rupert Murdoch last night during his trip to NYC." so Trump's corrupt AG meeting w/ Trump's corrupt propaganda channel chief... nothing weird about that...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Oct 11 16:37:12 hmm, Shep Smith is leaving Fox News days after Trump went after him (& Barr mysteriously meeting at Murdoch's home... figure out a good explanation for that meeting) doom continues to creep over the nation
kargen Member	Fri Oct 11 18:28:08 Turns out his leaving was in the works before the Murdoch meeting. I'm guessing it has more to do with his feud with Tucker and others on the opinion driven shows. According to Shepard he requested to be let out of his current contract and at first FOX News didn't want to then agreed. To bad I watched him just about every day while eating lunch.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Oct 11 19:01:53 Brian Stelter agrees more or less, says his sources say Shep was fed up with the nonsense & lack of support let's see if they replace him with Sarah Sanders... or a live feed of Trump watching himself
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Oct 11 22:27:16 since your only source of news is gone, i'll let you know the ambassador the White House & State Dept tried to stop from testifying) appears to be a dignified professional of 30 years experience who was pushing a strong anti-corruption campaign in Ukraine... yet she got removed by the corrupt idiot child president after Giuliani Wormtongue smeared her for either not cooperating w/ his Biden & conspiracy theory nonsense, or because his mobster criminal associates wanted her gone due to her anti-corruption agenda now you can go back to watching shit like this: http://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1182819516042170368
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Oct 12 11:48:43 about Trump phone calls w/ foreign leaders: " This call, as well as others Trump has had with foreign leaders, was unusual in other ways, too. In past administrations, top foreign policy officials routinely briefed a president in person right before a call and provided written materials as well. A former U.S. ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul worked at the NSC during the Obama administration and helped write briefs to prepare for dozens of calls with Russian leaders, including Vladimir Putin. “Judging from the content of the Trump-Zelenskiy call, Trump was not reading talking points,” McFaul said. “No one on our team ever would have prepared a call package prompting Obama to ask for a personal favor that would help him win reelection. I also doubt that Trump’s NSC staff would have written or cleared such a talking point for their boss.” One individual with firsthand knowledge of how the Trump calls with foreign leaders are handled said the president “hates” such “pre-briefs” and frequently has refused to do them. Trump doesn’t like written background materials either, preferring to handle the calls himself, often in the morning from the residence. Occasionally, while on the phone with foreign heads of state, Trump has handed the receiver to his daughter, Ivanka Trump, so she can talk with the leader, according to this individual. The person said a six-page pre-brief with attachments was once prepared for Trump before a call to a foreign leader. But that turned out to be too long, as did a single-page version. Preparing pre-brief note cards that offered about three talking points for Trump to make on a call was the norm, according to this person, who feared retribution for describing this process and spoke on condition of anonymity. The individual said that when Trump is done with the note cards, he often rips them up and tosses them in a burn bag. Staff who handle records have had to retrieve the burn bags from the residence, put the papers out on a table and tape them back together to preserve them as official presidential records, this person said. " http://apnews.com/ab67c31d9b3c4acdada93a624052ddc4 Fake news! that doesn't sound like Trump at all! oh wait, it sounds exactly like Trump...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Oct 12 12:10:22 become Christian or corrupt AG Barr is coming for you http://twitter.com/thehill/status/1182851865203105792 from a speech he did at Notre Dame's law school i guess
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Oct 12 12:20:42 Pompeo has shown to be pretty shitty too... here's him ducking a question repeatedly & mysteriously... =================== Amons: In mid-February, you were in Warsaw, and so was Rudy Giuliani. During your time there, did you meet with Giuliani? Pompeo: You know, I don't talk about who I meet with. I went to Warsaw for a particular purpose. It was an important mission. We brought together people all across the world to take down the world's largest state-sponsored terror, the Islamic Republic of Iran. That's what I worked on on that mission. Amons: So you're not going to say whether or not you met with him? Pompeo: So when I was in Warsaw, I had a singular focus. My focus was singularly on the work that we have done, effective work, to recover from what the Obama administration has done, which is to underwrite the world's largest state-sponsor of terror. We've stopped that, we're making real progress. Amons: It sounds like you're not going to say? Pompeo: When I was in Warsaw, we were working diligently to accomplish the mission to take down the terror regime that is inside the Islamic Republic of Iran. That's what I worked on, that's the only thing that I engaged in while I was there. =================== obviously the answer must be "yes", no reason to not just say "no" amongst all those words (or if he was just completely adamant at never mentioning who he meets with he would've repeated that defense instead of repeating the 'focus' of his work) video of that exchange at top here starting at (0:45): http://www...8a-11e9-9632-23457ce242a4.html
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Oct 14 01:49:26 " The Democrats are going to lose a lot of House Seats because of their Fraudulent use of Impeachment. Schiff fabricated phone call, a crime..." ~ it this stuff doesn't even get noticed anymore, but i want to be on record as still knowing the President falsely accusing people of crimes is not normal nor acceptable
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Oct 14 22:36:51 " Fiona Hill said John Bolton instructed her to tell the National Security Council’s attorney that Giuliani was acting in concert with White House chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, in a rogue operation with legal implications. “I am not part of whatever drug deal Rudy and Mulvaney are cooking up,” Bolton instructed Hill to tell the NSC lawyer, according to her testimony. She said that Bolton had told her on an earlier occasion: “Giuliani’s a hand grenade who’s going to blow everybody up.” Hill also testified on Monday morning before three congressional committees about Trump’s decision, taken despite strenuous objections from aides including herself, to recall the US ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch. The Washington Post reported that she had confronted Sondland over the Giuliani’s activities, which were not coordinated with officials charged with carrying out US foreign policy. Sondland is due to give his version of events on Thursday. According to Fox News, Hill told congressional investigators that she and other officials went to the national security council lawyer with their concerns that the White House was seeking to prompt Ukraine to open investigations into Trump’s rivals. " http://www...mony-trump-impeachment-inquiry who could've guessed the Trump admin would be full of corruption...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 16 12:49:29 Documents obtained by ProPublica show stark differences in how Donald Trump’s businesses reported some expenses, profits and occupancy figures for two Manhattan buildings, giving a lender different figures than they provided to New York City tax authorities. The discrepancies made the buildings appear more profitable to the lender — and less profitable to the officials who set the buildings’ property tax. For instance, Trump told the lender that he took in twice as much rent from one building as he reported to tax authorities during the same year, 2017. He also gave conflicting occupancy figures for one of his signature skyscrapers, located at 40 Wall Street. Lenders like to see a rising occupancy level as a sign of what they call “leasing momentum.” Sure enough, the company told a lender that 40 Wall Street had been 58.9% leased on Dec. 31, 2012, and then rose to 95% a few years later. The company told tax officials the building was 81% rented as of Jan. 5, 2013. A dozen real estate professionals told ProPublica they saw no clear explanation for multiple inconsistencies in the documents. The discrepancies are “versions of fraud,” said Nancy Wallace, a professor of finance and real estate at the Haas School of Business at the University of California-Berkeley. “This kind of stuff is not OK.” New York City’s property tax forms state that the person signing them “affirms the truth of the statements made” and that “false filings are subject to all applicable civil and criminal penalties.” The punishments for lying to tax officials, or to lenders, can be significant, ranging from fines to criminal fraud charges. Two former Trump associates, Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort, are serving prison time for offenses that include falsifying tax and bank records, some of them related to real estate. <cont'd> http://www...nts-show-major-inconsistencies bank fraud tax fraud no surprise
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 16 12:54:49 technically it may only be one, as the info may have been accurate to one of the sides... but i can't really imagine Trump ever giving accurate info to anyone on anything so probably is both frauds
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 16 15:17:11 Trump's latest international incident: So the wife of a US diplomat ran over a guy in England... then she fled & is hiding behind 'diplomatic immunity' (as vilified in Lethal Weapon :p)... so the Brits want her to return to face trial. Trump had been dismissing it, noting it's common for Americans to drive on the wrong side of the road over there & kill people, etc. & admitting to doing it himself... Anyhow, today the parents are in America pleading for justice & Trump offered them a surprise visit to the White House w/ secret motive of having them meet their son's killer so they could all meet & have a good time... even had camera crews ready for the reality show moment (not sure if Geraldo present)... the parents however were not on board & declined to meet & are now more upset.
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 16 16:32:53 Tw is that crazy ex girlfriend who even after three years of being dumped still refuses to move on.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 16 16:39:42 Trump is still the President (surprisingly) so what am i supposed to move on from?
jergul large member	Wed Oct 16 19:08:46 Talking about Obama or the Clintons would be crazy ex-girlfriend style.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 16 19:15:44 the current piece of shit press secretary claims Trump was "measured, factual, and decisive" at the meeting today with congressional leaders sounds just like him
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 16 19:46:12 Okay, tw, you are the deranged girlfriend who refuses to dump her boyfriend despite constantly trying to prove he cheated on her but never actually addressing it to him.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 16 20:38:42 I very much want to dump Trump and insult him to his twitter face regularly, so still not fitting
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 16 21:55:30 Okay, you are just a weirdo obsessed with trump to the point where your daily life revolves around him despite him having never effected your daily life.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 16 22:01:07 that's much closer... though it's 'affected' & his existence offends me so that's an effect
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 16 22:05:46 You have posted about him every day since he got elected. Its pathetic.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 17 11:58:41 only on days he offends me Mulvaney is announcing Doral WILL indeed be used for the G7, and no they won't show the analysis they made to show it was the best choice "I'm the most transparent president in history" ~ offensive organism
obaminated Member	Thu Oct 17 12:02:13 I love how trump purposely trolls you guys. There is nothing illegal or unethical going on here. It's a big facility that can fit everyone comfortably, he just happens to own it.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 17 12:05:56 how is it trolling?
obaminated Member	Thu Oct 17 12:08:11 Haha and now Pelosi has change her Twitter profile in which she is standing and pointing at trump who is sitting calmly. Completely counter to her original narrative that trump became unhinged. Haha fucking libtards.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 17 12:20:28 Pelosi said Trump had a meltdown after learning R's overwhelmingly rebuked his Syria decision in a House vote & called her a third grade politician (which WH corrected as third -rate- politician) amongst other nonsense he always spews... then she said we should pray for his health. So child Trump then tweeted that it was Pelosi who had a meltdown & we should pray for her... & tweeted that photo as 'proof' (oooh, she's standing) so Pelosi made it her background that's the order of events so either Trump was "measured, factual, and decisive" as the current piece of shit press secretary claims (counter to how Trump has been on every other moment of his life), or Pelosi's version (where he behaves as always) is the more accurate one
obaminated Member	Thu Oct 17 12:21:51 One party provided photographic evidence, rofl. Pelosi put that on her twitter because she wants the brownie points for standing up the president, doesnt realize it completely undercuts her narrative.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 17 12:27:06 so you feel a still photo captures all moments that occur over time? proudly corrupt Mitch McConnell was asked for his version: "I didn't make any observations in the meeting. And I don't have any to make now." not the response of someone who witnessed Pelosi being the meltdowner... that's a shell-shocked turtle unsure what to do w/ the unfit idiot moron child leading his party
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 17 12:35:05 here's Mulvaney admitting the Ukraine money was being held up to do Trump's corrupt investigations http://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1184881624216793088 Mulvaney tries to suggest it's only about the 2016 election issues (which is the fucking insane idiotic notion the DNC server is in Ukraine... & matters) while ignoring the Biden requests
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 17 13:12:31 " It is actually immoral, insulting, and beneath the dignity of the United States to force foreign governments to pay money into the president's personal pockets in order to attend and participate in the G7. " ~ Susan Hennessey hard to argue
Rugian Member	Thu Oct 17 14:37:01 "Ohaminated Haha and now Pelosi has change her Twitter profile in which she is standing and pointing at trump who is sitting calmly. Completely counter to her original narrative that trump became unhinged. Haha fucking libtards." http://i.redd.it/p0stkaf523t31.jpg
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 17 14:46:27 " How bad does Trump's Doral need this business? Look what's happened there during his presidency. In ONE YEAR, from '16-'17: —revenue fell 13.8% —Net operating income fell 62% " ~David Fahrenthold <w/ document images> http://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/1184893650163191808
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 17 18:14:12 Trump 'liked' this tweet... i guess he liked the photo http://twitter.com/WestWingReport/status/1184942561489764352
obaminated Member	Thu Oct 17 18:16:58 Tw, remember when you were convinced trump colluded with the russians?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 17 18:20:23 i never said Trump colluded w/ the russians... he would have no idea how to help them help him win (although his campaign did collude) i have said things like his actions have been indistinguishable from what you would expect of a russian asset (which has remained true since coming down the escalator)
obaminated Member	Thu Oct 17 18:22:39 Point is the media has fed you a lot of bullshit and you've bought into it. It has all fallen apart. You need to gain some wisdom in how you absorb information. Or continue to come off like a deranged fanatic that everyone mocks.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 17 19:04:18 *your media has fed you a lot of bullshit (and an extreme understatement) direct me to the CNN article saying Trump colluded w/ Russians... they reported the stories, which were true Trump told you morons 'i had nothing to do w/ Russia' then it turns out he had a secret Moscow tower deal in the works ALL campaign long that Trump Jr set up a campaign meeting w/ Russians after receiving emails saying 'the Russian gov't wants to help Trump win' that Trump personally directed misleading the public about that meeting & you morons couldn't care less that he repeatedly gets caught lying to your faces & now buying his nonsense that it's a total mystery why the Russia investigation started... it must've been a corrupt hoax by the FBI & Dems & Australia/Italy/Ukraine/wherever else... let's ignore Papadopolous being recruited by Russia & all the rest
obaminated Member	Thu Oct 17 19:55:23 Okay, remain a fringe lunatic.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 17 20:28:45 while we're discussing the Russia investigation for some reason, the investigation was into the Trump -campaign-... Trump wasn't a target until he corruptly fired Comey recall all the adults came out of the bushes claiming the reason was the Rosenstein memo (about Comey being unfair to Hillary, yeah right, that's the reason) then within a day stupid child Trump revealed he was going to fire either way and noted it was because of the investigation... (and of course we later learn they asked Rosenstein to write it to give cover)... such a corrupt dishonest piece of shit administration. you get the feeling the adults have spent the whole time covering for him, which wouldn't be surprising... multiple instances known
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 17 22:43:31 Gen Mattis ripped into Trump w/ jokes & serious concerns at the Al Smith dinner, a couple of the jokes: “I earned my spurs on the battlefield, Trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor” “the only person in the military Trump doesn’t think is over-rated is Colonel Sanders” (idiot child Trump had called Mattis the world's most over-rated general)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 17 23:31:06 Hannity & Tucker may have another rabble-rouser to chase off http://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1184925740841816067
Dickhead UPer Member	Fri Oct 18 04:42:16 Anyone else see the irony from the pizza delivery driver when he talks about 'fringe lunatic.' Gee, I wonder where he got that new term form to use to describe those critical of Trump now?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Oct 19 02:04:03 Trump has a video up smearing Mitt Romney (pinned even): "posing as a Republican, [Mitt] tried to infiltrate Trump's administration"... "now his cover's blown, exposed by news reports as a Democrat secret asset" http://twi...ump/status/1185339160858648576 ...that's posted by the President of the United States would any of our resident morons care to share those 'news reports'? absurdity levels off the chart
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Oct 19 12:05:35 'Trump' has issued a Presidential Proclamation for National “Character Counts Week”: "During National Character Counts Week, we reaffirm our commitment to developing and demonstrating admirable qualities to enrich our lives and the lives of others. In doing so, we are confident that we can positively influence the next generation of our Nation’s leaders and inspire them to lead lives of virtue and integrity." ... "Let us set an example for others of the timeless values of respect, compassion, justice, tolerance, fairness, and integrity. May we never forget that our Nation is only as strong as the virtue and character of our citizenry." http://www...al-character-counts-week-2019/ perhaps some deep stater is trolling Trump
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Oct 19 22:22:50 poor lil Trump has canceled his corrupt plans to host the G7 at Doral i guess not enough support among all the undercover Democrats who are posing as Republicans
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Oct 20 15:17:32 Hillary's cutting loose... http://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1186008390926917632 (it's an image, you'll have to click) it's mocking Trump's letter to Erdogan if you missed it
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Oct 20 15:31:17 (i believe ^letter origin is Jimmy Kimmel, for full credit)
jergul large member	Sun Oct 20 15:38:17 Yah, I noted that farther down. Credit where credit is due (though the wording sort of shouted late night entertainment). I find Kimmel erratically amusing, but not amusing enough to watch systematically. But better than Hillary. Anyone wanting to get rid of Trump should always consider the alternatives :)
Average Ameriacn Member	Sun Oct 20 16:20:11 WE HAVE SECURED THE OIL!!!! http://mob...ump/status/1185907415499378690 Oct 20, 2019 08:15:35 AM - Mark Esperanto, Secretary of Defense, “The ceasefire is holding up very nicely. There are some minor skirmishes that have ended quickly. New areas being resettled with the Kurds.” USA soldiers are not in combat or ceasefire zones. We have secured the Oil. Bringing soldiers home!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Oct 20 17:24:34 that was his first tweet... he corrected the name (Esperanto to Esper) but changed what's in quotes in the most current version: " “The ceasefire is holding up very nicely. There are some minor skirmishes that have ended quickly. New areas being resettled with Kurds. U.S. soldiers are not in combat or ceasefire zone. We have secured the Oil.” Mark Esper, Secretary of Defense. Ending endless wars! " pretty confident the first tweet is closer to proper quoting as no one seems to know what oil securing he's referring to... although the Kurds resettling in new areas may just be made up too can't trust a word
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Oct 20 22:44:25 "When gently corrected by one of the astronauts about how other women have spacewalked, Donald Trump uses his middle finger to "fix" his hair. How is this even real life?" http://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1186115176908517376
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Oct 21 15:30:37 so lying moron Trump said he thinks "shifty Schiff" was the informant to the whistleblower... so how does that work? makes absolutely no sense, like much of the made-up nonsense he spouts and lying shitpile Trump claims he would've done the G7 for free at Doral... odd that that wasn't noted -before- he pulled the deal, only after... almost like it's total bullshit to make himself look good... kinda like every single thing he says
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Oct 21 19:37:04 "and lying shitpile Trump claims he would've done the G7 for free at Doral." this claim is weird, because Donald is supposedly completely, totally out of running his hotels, this is why he did not need to divest himself, as other presidents did. How would he know what is 'at cost'
jergul large member	Mon Oct 21 19:51:57 CR He would obviously just have negotiated a deal.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Oct 21 20:19:59 Mulvaney said "at cost" when announcing (which would be a figure created by the lying shitbag Trump family and would've included all sorts of cleaning, rennovation and upgrades) But Trump is now saying he'd have done it for "no cost"... since its off the table, why not But yeah, he clearly is still running his business He also claims the emoluments clause is phony
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Oct 21 21:46:08 so awhile ago Trump retweeted the bot which adds 'shark' to Trump tweets (giving us the 'pro shark media' tweet) now he has retweeted "@DJTrumpsButt" (which has the bio: "I am @realDonaldTrump's butt. Whatever he says, it's really me that's saying it. Follow me, or I will nuke you! #PutinPower #MAGA")
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Oct 21 21:54:46 20 of the lies he told today while talking to reporters: http://www...et-meeting-20-false/index.html totally normal
Rugian Member	Mon Oct 21 21:58:57 The point of the tweet stands. We have literally been talking about impeachment since almost as far back as inauguration day, because Democrats and collaborationist media have been singularly obsessed with overturning the result of the 2016 election. These people cannot possibly be entrusted to lead an impeachment inquiry. They dont care about facts or evidence, only at finding a way to arrive at a guilty decision. Indeed, their conduct of the "investigation" (more like witch hunt) has proven their inherent unfitness in the pursuit. Donald J. Trump is easily the most persecuted president in modern history, and it's easy to see why. When you threaten the swamps power, the swamp will fight back. It is our role as patriotic Americans to support the president in this fight, and purge DC and Manhattan of the traitors in our midst once and for all.
Rugian Member	Mon Oct 21 22:00:58 Also, I was stuck in a room with CNN playing on a TV for an hour today. After that experience, I think I begin to understand tw's obsession over Trump. It's an actual propaganda network. Like, holy shit.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Oct 21 22:04:08 are you talking about the Butt tweet? which is a video of capo Jim Jordan spewing a bunch of misleading insinuations... as usual "the most persecuted president" probably for being an unfit criminal fraud child half the people that leave the administration note it... that's not normal
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Oct 21 22:07:57 why are there Republicans who support the inquiry if it's all nonsense? there should be exactly zero & there's even more who agree the Ukrainian efforts were inappropriate but just don't want to do anything about it (no expectation of an apology or promise not to do it again, the horde literally expects NOTHING from Trump to forgive him for all the lying & corrupt shit he does)
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Oct 21 22:37:24 "We have literally been talking about impeachment since almost as far back as inauguration day, because Democrats and collaborationist media have been singularly obsessed with overturning the result of the 2016 election." even a little before the inauguration day http://www...openly-discussing-impeachment/ November 3, 2016 at 6:30 p.m. EDT "Senior Republican lawmakers are openly discussing the prospect of impeaching Hillary Clinton should she win the presidency, a stark indication that partisan warfare over her tenure as secretary of state will not end on Election Day. Chairmen of two congressional committees said in media interviews this week they believe Clinton committed impeachable offenses in setting up and using a private email server for official State Department business. And a third senior Republican, the chairman of a House Judiciary subcommittee, told The Washington Post he is personally convinced Clinton should be impeached for influence peddling involving her family foundation. He favors further congressional investigation into that matter. “It is my honest opinion that the Clinton Foundation represents potentially one of the greatest examples of political corruption in American history,” said Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.), who leads the Constitution and Civil Justice subcommittee. “Now that perspective may be disproven, time will tell. But given that conviction on my part, I think all options are definitely on the table.” The impeachment talk is the latest sign that Clinton will not be handed a clean slate — let alone an extended honeymoon — by Republican lawmakers should she win the presidency. It comes after months of accusations from GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump, who has repeatedly referred to his rival as “Crooked Hillary” before and after federal investigators announced they would not charge Clinton or her associates over the email matter.." cont
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Oct 22 14:09:02 "Acting ambassador William B. Taylor Jr. in Ukraine said Tuesday he was told release of military aid was contingent on public declarations from Ukraine that it would investigate the Bidens and the 2016 election" (is in WaPo article at this link) http://twitter.com/agearan/status/1186712619463385088 this is fully consistent w/ Trump behavior, he just wants the headlines, doesn't care if any basis for the investigation or if anything found (see Ted Cruz's father killing JFK, or being Canadian, or wanting numerous FBI people investigated, or the DNC server nonsense, etc) impeach
Dickhead UPer Member	Tue Oct 22 16:25:35 "Donald J. Trump is easily the most persecuted president in modern history, and it's easy to see why" Yes, being a very corrupted piece of shit gets you that scrutiny and ridicule, very easy to see why.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 23 12:06:47 "Impeachment deposition delayed after Republicans storm proceedings Dozens of House Republicans on Wednesday stormed the secure facility inside the Capitol where impeachment investigators have been deposing witnesses, forcing a delay to the proceedings on the heels of damning new revelations that could further imperil President Donald Trump." <cont'd> http://www...hment-republicans-trump-055688 may they all be arrested it's not like Dems are all invited in & all R's excluded... the committee members of both parties are all who are there, same as ever appears capo Matt Gaetz is one of them, he tried to force his way into a prior one... gotta keep the boss informed of what witnesses are saying i guess
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 23 13:12:23 " The Never Trumper Republicans, though on respirators with not many left, are in certain ways worse and more dangerous for our Country than the Do Nothing Democrats. Watch out for them, they are human scum! " ~ the prez
Paramount Member	Wed Oct 23 14:59:23 So where was the security guards? Why didn’t they shoot them? I mean, if a bunch of antifa people would storm a secure facility where investigators are doing an important job, wouldn’t they get shot?
kargen Member	Wed Oct 23 17:59:22 "why are there Republicans who support the inquiry if it's all nonsense?" because they think it will farther damage the Democrats. I'm all for an official inquiry. That means take the vote, open the process beyond leaked Democrat talking points and allow Republicans to be an equal part of the process. Funny thing is about those "damning" revelations. Almost every news agency used the word damning and devastating in describing the testimony. Almost as if they had been given predetermined talking points. Hell not even almost. They were given talking points. Happens a lot with liberal media where they all use the exact same words and it isn't just because they are picking up an AP feed.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 23 18:30:47 "because they think it will farther damage the Democrats" you are fucking insane. seek help. it was damning as they had his opening statement showing quid pro quo, does Fox News really not cover this at all?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 23 18:41:10 @Paramount... i'm not sure why the criminal R's weren't tackled, beat up & removed (turns out it was in fact led by traitor Matt Gaetz)
kargen Member	Wed Oct 23 20:57:04 That is one of those which side do you believe things because we are not given the information. Democrats are saying it is damning. Republicans are saying his statement fell apart when he was questioned. We see only a little tiny bit of what the Democrats want us to see so we don't know. That is why the inquiry should be made official and open so we the people can finally discern the facts for ourselves. It is always a good laugh when you think someone else is the insane one. You really can't see how far out there you are. Everything we are getting is political spin and rhetoric. If it were otherwise they wouldn't mind letting us in.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 23 21:22:04 you are insane because you believe no Rs support the inquiry for legitimate concerns you are insane because you don't think Putin preferred Trump you are insane because you don't think the words of the President matter and that every crazy nonsense thing he spews is fine and should just be ignored you are insane because you don't think Trump was in on the porn star payoffs (when it's on tape) you are insane because you think Trump is concerned about climate change and I'm sure there's plenty more if I reviewed your records
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 24 02:16:57 i didn't care about this one at first, but he turned it into another exhibit of his unfitness video of Trump claiming he's building the wall in Colorado: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjlO9QhFmmU ok, he mispoke, no biggie... but of course he's an idiot child who can't admit the slightest error, so here he is claiming it was a joke: " (Kiddingly) We’re building a Wall in Colorado”(then stated, “we’re not building a Wall in Kansas but they get the benefit of the Wall we’re building on the Border”) refered to people in the very packed auditorium, from Colorado & Kansas, getting the benefit of the Border Wall! " ~ Trump tweet (he was about to say that 'not building in Kansas' part at end of that clip but it is in no way connected to the Colorado part, there is no joke, there is no punchline, there is no laughter) truly pathetic... & mental illness
patom Member	Thu Oct 24 06:42:01 What was even more pathetic was the audience applauding the Colorado Wall. Too bad most children today aren't learning geography.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 24 12:01:23 his fans are incapable of noticing faults in him for Fox News watchers, here's some info: when Trump said the escaped ISIS prisoners were 'largely recaptured'... he made that up, entirely when Trump said Mitch McConnell agreed his Ukraine call was perfect... he made that up, entirely this pattern works for many things
kargen Member	Thu Oct 24 15:06:20 "you are insane because you believe no Rs support the inquiry for legitimate concerns" I didn't say that, we were generalizing. "you are insane because you don't think Putin preferred Trump" I've been saying since the beginning Putin was doing everything he could to undermine all candidates. He is still doing all he can to undermine President Trump. If you don't believe that you have less brainpower than a barnacle. "you are insane because you don't think the words of the President matter" I've never said that. I said his tweets are not official policy and you would be happier if you just thought of them as fodder. "you are insane because you don't think Trump was in on the porn star payoffs (when it's on tape)" I said from the beginning on this one we all knew there was a payoff. Go back and look. I also said the payoff was not illegal nor did President Trump commit campaign fraud in doing so. Courts agreed with me. "you are insane because you think Trump is concerned about climate change" I've never opined on President Trump's views on the climate as far as I can recall. If I did I will bet I didn't tout him as some kind of environmental advocate. "and I'm sure there's plenty more if I reviewed your records" Review my record. It won't do you any good though. Your current mental state your brain is going to cause you to hallucinate and think you read something else anyway. It is your thing.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 24 17:42:18 "I didn't say that, we were generalizing." i wasn't generalizing... there should be exactly zero R's saying they are concerned about the behavior if it's all nonsense --- "I've been saying since the beginning Putin was doing everything he could to undermine all candidates" right, you will not acknowledge he favored Trump at all (let alone incredibly massively, Trump would have been his pick out of every eligible candidate who has ever existed) --- "I said his tweets are not official policy and you would be happier if you just thought of them as fodder." exactly... you think they should be ignored... a mentally-ill continually-lying idiot filling the minds of a horde of morons w/ false info from his position as President is no biggie for you --- "I said from the beginning..." you said you though Cohen did it on his own to gain favor (even though he sought reimbursement & is on tape discussing w/ Trump) --- "I've never opined on President Trump's views on the climate" you gave a crazy view of why Trump 'left' the Paris Accord (i believe you said he didn't think it was strong enough, not certain though)... the correct answer is because he does not care one iota about climate change (nor ever had any environmental concerns on anything) telling hordes of stupid people that he wants clean air & water doesn't count, that's as meaningful as when he claimed the bible was his favorite book
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 24 22:04:57 Andrew Napolitano: "As frustrating as it may be to have these hearings going on behind closed doors ... they are consistent with the rules. ... When were the rules written last? In January of 2015. And who signed them? John Boehner. And who enacted them? A Republican majority." video: http://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1187339967300812800 Napolitano must be more human scum i'll disagree w/ his assessment of Ratcliffe though... he's the guy who claimed Mueller's detailing of Trump's crimes but not indicting showed they put Trump 'beneath the law' (quite the opposite of reality)
kargen Member	Thu Oct 24 23:16:34 "you gave a crazy view of why Trump 'left' the Paris Accord" I stated why the Paris Accord was a shit agreement and said I was glad we were out of it. A bit of a difference there. And the Paris Accord was a shit agreement. It was not binding and actually allowed the worst polluters to increase their carbon output. It was another attempt to turn carbon emissions into a commodity so rich people could get richer while doing not one damn thing to help the environment.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 24 23:42:38 fine, i'll withdraw the Paris Accord part from the extensive list of proofs you are crazy
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Oct 25 08:06:48 " It was not binding and actually allowed the worst polluters.." If it is not binding, it allows everything, no shit
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 25 09:22:46 So what is the point of signing an agreement if the signing is not binding.
kargen Member	Fri Oct 25 11:29:29 crown you are missing the point. Not surprising. The accord allowed countries to say they were doing something to help the environment when actually they set their cap higher than emissions already being produced. Then all the supposed environmentalists that pushed for the Paris Accord would brag about how many countries are on board and complying knowing full well the vast majority of humanity would never figure out the accord allowed for increased carbon emissions. It was about trying to get rich and nothing else.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Oct 25 11:40:33 "The accord allowed countries to say they were doing something to help the environment when actually they set their cap higher than emissions already being produced." Of course it was allowed, you said it was not binding. Everything is allowed if the accord is not binding.
kargen Member	Fri Oct 25 15:55:19 You are still missing the point. I'm hoping on purpose but have my doubts. The point is the accord would fool the gullible (look in a mirror) into thinking something was being done about carbon emissions while allowing rich people to profit off of governments increasing carbon emissions. That so many people were pissed that the US dropped out shows how effective this asshats were at fooling the public. There are still people that think the Paris Accord would be good for the environment.
kargen Member	Fri Oct 25 15:56:46 and Paramount, exactly! What was the point? Why did President Obama do it? Good thing is we got out of it. Sad that most do not realize it is good we are no longer a part of it.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Oct 25 16:56:21 Why are you continuing to spew drivel? Non binding agreement by definition allows all kinds of things. Donald withdrew from the accord because “The Paris accord will undermine (the U.S.) economy," and "puts (the U.S.) at a permanent disadvantage."[1] (wiki). You should write to him explaining that no disadvantage was coming, the agreement is non binding.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Oct 25 18:11:22 kargen feels doing nothing & claiming it's all fake is a better path to addressing the problems than setting aspirational goals & drawing attention to the issues
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Oct 25 18:29:55 Giuliani apparently pocket-dialed a reporter & left a long voicemail while probably discussing criminal behavior (just my guess, what he's talking about isn't clear... but involves Turkey & Bahrain & hundreds of thousands of dollars) he also doesn't know how to delete his own tweets (or how to locate someone who could tell him) he also was Trump's cyber security advisor
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Oct 25 18:37:42 not too long ago there was an SNL sketch of Trump calling Giuliani & them discussing their criminal activity & then Trump asks Rudy where he was & Rudy saying he was live on CNN this administration is a joke
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Oct 25 21:18:41 "My lawyers should sue the Democrats and Shifty Adam Schiff for fraud!" ~ child if only they worked for him & he could direct them to file a lawsuit or perhaps he tried that & they noted he's a fucking moron & there are no grounds to sue so he's shouting on twitter to sound like a big boy... so pathetic & a total embarrassment to the nation... kargen in particular
kargen Member	Fri Oct 25 23:09:01 President Trump withdrew because it was a bullshit agreement. Why pretend to do something? Why stay in some organization when you have no intention of taking part. And it saved the US a few billion getting out. "kargen feels..." you have not a fucking clue. Of course doing nothing and pretending to do something is worse than just doing nothing. Even worse is increasing the problem and pretending you are fixing it. That is what the Paris Accord would do. It allowed countries to put a positive spin on increasing pollution levels. What will actually work is grass roots efforts to change the way individual people behave and live. Legislating the problem away isn't going to work. Especially when most those doing the legislation are looking out for their pocketbooks instead of the environment. I'll probably be gone for a couple of days so I expect with Tumbleweeds obsessive and delusional actions we will be half way through #15 as he manufactures twenty new things to get all bent out of shape about. Looking forward to reading it.
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Oct 26 07:50:58 “And it saved the US a few billion getting out. ” Not according to your reasoning, dolt. “. It was not binding and actually allowed the worst polluters.." Unless Donald is more inept than the other worst polluters, US didn’t have to spend billions, who gives a shit about a non binding accord
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Oct 26 11:52:16 not sure the Green New Deal had any mandates either, but R's hate the idea of even trying to move to cleaner energy --------------- Trump called Mattis in summer 2018 and directed him to "screw Amazon" out of $10 billion cloud contract. "Relaying the story to us during Small Group, Mattis said, 'We're not going to do that. This will be done by the book, both legally and ethically." http://taskandpurpose.com/snodgrass-mattis-book story via a staffer of Mattis... he could be lying, yet sounds exactly like Trump (pretty sure Trump openly opposed Amazon getting that deal, certainly not the first i heard of his opposition, & surprise! they didn't get it) so yeah, it probably happened abuse of power, again
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Oct 26 12:04:43 John Kelly's advice to Trump on next chief of staff: "I said whatever you do, don’t hire a ‘yes man,’ someone who won’t tell you the truth — don’t do that. Because if you do, I believe you will be impeached." http://www...ed-trump-he-would-be-impeached in other words, Trump was constantly trying to be a criminal & Kelly stopped him
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