Utopia Talk / Politics / I told you she was a Skywalker like 10 y

earthpig GTFO HOer	Wed Oct 23 02:25:38 ears ago.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Wed Oct 23 02:26:04 Disney doesn't re-invent shit.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Wed Oct 23 02:28:36 Also, TC, made $30k on a Chinese family this month. Legit profit, legal, all that. Will be taking them out to dinner soon, they will express gratitude for helping them.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Wed Oct 23 02:29:28 Also, I have the best job in the world.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Oct 23 04:44:59 Yeah, we knew she was a Skywalker. No one cares. Star Wars is garbage :p
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 23 06:35:16 Looks profoundly lame.
hood Member	Wed Oct 23 07:33:23 In 5 years, people will treat the sequel the same way they do the prequel. "LALALALALALALA WHAT DO YOU MEAN EPISODE 8 THERE WERE ONLY 3 STAR WARS MOVIES AND THEY WERE INEXPLICABLY LABELED 4-6." Full of spectacle, devoid of heart. 7 has not aged well in my head. It was decent when I first saw it, but it's just more and more lame as time goes on.
Forwyn Member	Wed Oct 23 08:35:49 JJ probably won't fuck it up like Rian, but that's not saying much - and since his last venture was a rehash, it will likely scrape by instead of being the complete dumpster fire.
hood Member	Wed Oct 23 08:54:15 Even ep 8 was a rehash, it just combined 5+6 instead of being a direct rehash of 5 as 7 was to 4.
Rugian Member	Wed Oct 23 12:02:37 "In 5 years, people will treat the sequel the same way they do the prequel. "LALALALALALALA WHAT DO YOU MEAN EPISODE 8 THERE WERE ONLY 3 STAR WARS MOVIES AND THEY WERE INEXPLICABLY LABELED 4-6."" Theres a legion of preteens on the internet that would vehemently disagree with the Ep 1-3 part. http://www.reddit.com/r/PrequelMemes/
hood Member	Wed Oct 23 13:04:37 Preteens aren't people.
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 23 18:19:10 The issue is how limitless the empire/first order is. Thrawn was cool cause he had limited resources and made the most of them.
Rugian Member	Wed Oct 23 19:00:17 I mean, let's be real. If we went back and re-read the old EU books, even the Zahn series would probably come off as cringey YA crap. Thrown was still cool though.
hood Member	Wed Oct 23 19:16:22 The empire having unlimited resources made sense though. The first order is just dumb.
Forwyn Member	Wed Oct 23 19:38:23 It's feasible for the FO to have a metric fuckton of star destroyers, if they've concentrated all of the far-flung empire installations into a concentrated force. But there's a difference between a resource-strapped org retrofitting existed ships, and building cutting-edge dreadnoughts and planet-sized system busters. But this is the series that brought you the B/SF-17 heavy bomber, a FTL-era ship copying WWII antics that gets triple KO'd by half of a downed TIE. Idiocy.
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 23 21:32:45 I think the best books in star wars are about limited ships and how the remnants of the empire and alliance are in a quasi arms race between each other. Such as when they discover that abandoned fleet of cruisers. I think that's also the book about the alien race that is immune to the force and the alliance has to team up with the empire to beat them. Thatd have made a good movie.
Seb Member	Thu Oct 24 08:51:11 I actually think 7 improved for me with time. Unlike the other films to date it has a very strong set of moral themes and message promoting collectivism over individualism and the ineffectiveness/failures of individualism to deliver the just society the rebels (it implies) were fighting for; and the need for deeper systemic change rather than who runs the Galactic empire/Republic. It's actually an amazingly left wing film in that it at least appears to be adopting a flat out socialist - as in beyond liberal social democratic - critiques of contemporary Western political and economics at a structural level. These are rather underdeveloped - it's a star wars film - but I can't believe they are coincidental. Whether it's a wise idea to try and explore that theme in a star wars film is a different matter. The plot ends up being - comparatively for a star wars film - a bit of a mess but largely because instead of a linear hero's journey we get something more complex to articulate these themes. E.g. the jaunt to space Monaco is unnecessary for the plot but utterly essential in demonstrating how the Republic and empire made little difference for many, and how systemic individual incentives create evil, and the need for individuals to commit to a cause greater than themselves. It's a beautiful mess of a film - I still can't really work out if I actually enjoy it (also I don't agree with what I think it's the underlying political message) - but one thing I can definitely say, it ain't derivative. I kind of love it's utterly mad ambition and complete willingness to subvert the rest of the series.
hood Member	Thu Oct 24 09:35:11 .... You mean 8. And you should be absolutely fucking ashamed for liking that trash heap of a film.
Seb Member	Thu Oct 24 09:52:58 Yes I meant 8. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Simpsons-Jeff_Albertson.png
obaminated Member	Thu Oct 24 11:35:13 Seb literally praises a film for glorifying the collective
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 24 12:13:25 is the conclusion she's a Skywalker based on the movie title? (i didn't watch any trailers) if just on title, i say she's not a Skywalker
Asgard Member	Thu Oct 24 13:21:29 " it has a very strong set of moral themes and message promoting collectivism over individualism" Yeah, like how Rose saves the black guy from commiting suicide whilst saving all the rebels and destroying the mini death-star... only for a stupid kiss?
Asgard Member	Thu Oct 24 13:22:06 how Rose sends free a few animals but doesn't bother to save the child slaves?
Asgard Member	Thu Oct 24 13:23:17 How Rose is a redundant character that exists only to pay homage to Asians? (which they hate because most asians are Chinese, and she's a Vietnamese... so the movie actually failedthere)
Asgard Member	Thu Oct 24 13:24:50 How Rey is a Mary-Sue who can do everything like a super-woman without any training or prior knowledge? yeah I grant you that, merit and hard work are definitely collectivist ideas.
Forwyn Member	Thu Oct 24 13:37:43 Luke is a cynical old fuck who strokes out with a Force projection and tried to kill a child, Leia is unconscious space superwoman who rises to her responsibilities Rey constantly exceeds expectations, excels at anything she does, Kylo is angry, disturbed white male who uses negative emotions to make up for his deficiencies Poe is reckless, hot-headed, and needed a bad battle outcome to knock him down a peg, he was too much of good guy in Ep7 - so position him against Holdo, the calm and collected independent wymyn who you are expected to obey without question, even when the apparent plan is delayed suicide Repeat ad nauseum with every character.
Asgard Member	Thu Oct 24 13:51:27 "s too much of good guy in Ep7 - so position him against Holdo, the calm and collected independent wymyn" Oh my god, did you just assume her gender? Maybe s/he's a non-binary-non-gendered individual?
Seb Member	Thu Oct 24 15:55:40 Obaminated: You could put it that way, but that makes it sound like I'm praising it because I agree with the message, which is explicitly not what I'm saying. I find it interesting as a film, because it is totally bonkers and all over the place and I like the novelty.
Seb Member	Thu Oct 24 16:15:14 Asgard: Yes. Also this Mary Sue bullshit. Luke learned to be a Jedi in the time it took for Han to fly from Hoth to Bespin. Star wars has never been realistic. A literalist approach to what we see on the screen: Luke isn't that great. He only defeated vader when he drew on the dark side. The only way he was able to defeat the empire was because he just happened to be Darth Vader's son. His decision not to fight after realising he could only win by using the dark side led to Vader killing the emperor. Luke isn't a powerful Jedi badass. Going by the films, he's impulsive, not well trained, and merely wise enough to show restraint when he realises he's giving into the dark side. Luke in 8 isn't *cynical*, the reverse: he's an idealist. Luke has always been a romantic idealist, from when we first meet him as a farm boy dreaming of adventure. He's internalised that lesson. They were very explicit: the Jedi failed, they'd become an institutional tool of violence which wasn't what they were supposed to be. When he tried to recreate a Jedi order as a mirror of the council to the new Republic, he slips a bit to the dark side and it all comes down. Leia otoh has always been the pragmatic political organisers. Holdo Vs Poe is again the message of collectivism vs self serving individualism. Poe goes gallivanting off on "heroic" missions and fucks up twice. Holdo Vs Flyn's attempted sacrifice is again about self gratification Vs the need to live for the cause. These are heavy handed and not at all subtle but I think you are misreading them because you insist on viewing it through a lens of "social justice warrior" that is something of a straw man. I.e. what you characterise them to believe, not what those people actually believe.
Forwyn Member	Thu Oct 24 17:49:04 "Luke learned to be a Jedi" He learned some very rudimentary skills: jumping, pulling. They, alone with his lightsaber, enabled him to pull ahead of average mercs and soldiers ala Sarlacc pit fight. The pre-teen kid escaping Coruscant would fuck him up. "He only defeated vader when he drew on the dark side." Yes, an old man on a respirator. Kylo is in his physical prime, with Skywalker blood, years of training, and the raw power to stop a blaster bolt of energized plasma midair. And he got fucked by a Mary Sue who beat up desert thugs with a staff. "Luke in 8 isn't *cynical*, the reverse: he's an idealist." In flashbacks. And then he got his first taste of failure and became a hermit. "they'd become an institutional tool of violence which wasn't what they were supposed to be." Sure. Without the Sith to pit themselves against, they languished in the hells of politics and bureaucracy. The Rule of Two ensured that the Sith weren't an ever-present enemy with which to do glorious battle; the Sith battled each other to improve and worked behind the scenes while the Jedi rested on their laurels. Them going away is fine - IF the Sith are gone. Luke hasn't ensured this, so he has fled his responsibility. "Poe goes gallivanting off on "heroic" missions and fucks up twice." Right. Because the most trusted officer and pilot of Leia's in 7 needed to be a reckless flyboy in 8. And because Rian designed literally retarded heavy bombers to further the plot.
chuck Member	Thu Oct 24 17:53:37 Seb's just going through the motions.
hood Member	Thu Oct 24 18:58:48 Yeah, this idea that Luke was some supreme badass right off the bat is ridiculous. 1. He was introduced to light saber combat in ep 4 and taught the basics of harnessing the force. 2. He showed no real proficiency in force use in the entire first movie. 3. it was like 5 years between ep 4 and ep 5. 4. He again showed little force abilities in ep 5 during Hoth. He just happened to have a Jedi weapon. Han was the badass on Hoth. 5. The time it took the Falcon to get to Cloud City from Hoth was not instantaneously. Luke wasn't just on Degobah for a few days. It was weeks, maybe months. 6. In all of Luke's condensed training, all he could do was barely move an X-wing, not stack rocks, and pick up some good cardio and brazen confidence. He was highly outmatched by Vader in ep 5. 6. it was about 5 years between ep 5 and ep 6. 7. Luke finally showed the agility and basic force push/pull abilities in ep 6, as well as force suggestion. Yet, he has now had 6-10 years of living with the force, 3-5 of them after Yoda's training. 8. Even in the showdown with Vader, Luke could only match a hobbled old man in combat. There was no real suggestion that Luke's other force abilities were a match for Vader. And this is a ~50 year old Vader who has been a burn victim for like 30 of those years. To suggest that Luke was some ridiculous wunderkind that just popped up out of nowhere is without merit. He most definitely earned his stripes, only really showing Jedi prowess in ep 6, wherein he has had several years to further progress from Yoda's teachings. Whereas Rey has been the biggest badass around since she appeared on screen. Without training. Without time to learn.
Asgard Member	Thu Oct 24 19:13:37 Rey can also pilot the M.Falcon better than Han Solo, she can "bypass the compressor" without Han Solo knowing it can be possible, she can fire the turret guns as if she was born in it... no, not a Mary Sue at all...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 24 22:06:23 her spontaneous learning of the jedi mind trick gives hope to us all
Seb Member	Thu Oct 24 22:55:11 Forwyn: It sounds like we agree then, that the latest sequels haven't "ruined" luke in the sense he's never that badass, and what we see of him shows considerably increased proficiency in the force. So the question is, "why is he a space hermit not fighting in the resistance".5 His "first taste of failure" is succumbing to the dark side and nearly killing his nephew, driving his nephew to the dark side, who then kills all the people in his charge (which Luke will feel very responsible for given it was his job to protect them and his slip to the dark side triggered the event, and his failure to adequately prepare Ben etc.), and also ruining the marriage of his sister and best friend who have now lost their child and break up. I mean, if we are going to really start overanalyzing the character motivation for realism, acknowledging that your greatest moment was foreswearing violence, that attempting to build a model of Jedi (political peace keepers space ninja) that had utterly failed anyway had not only failed but ruined everything you love and tempted you to the dark side, running off to be a hermit and foreswearing violence isn't an entirely unreasonable response. Suicide another one. You know what would be utterly unrealistic or in character? Dusting himself down and going "whelp, that batch didn't go so well, going to train me another batch of youths and hope I figure out how not to get that lot killed. Can't be a proper Jedi master without padawans.". A period of deep introspection would be expected. Especially as there's no pressing need at this point for an army of Jedi. As for Rey "defeating" Kylo, it's like you haven't been paying attention: Kylo is established as powerful, conflicted, lacking self discipline and control, and we know snoke has been meddling. And want the fight just after he killed his dad, and been iirc wounded? She didn't handily defeat Kylo either. She kind of got lucky and Kylo fucked up. And we know very little about Rey - for all we know she might be the result of Palpetine trying to repeat the experiment that led to Anakin. What we do know though is that unlike Luke she's clearly been used to having to fight a fair bit on jakuu, so she's starting one up from Luke in that respect. And by the time we see her really fighting she's been on Jedi Island for probably a lot longer than Luke was on Dagobah. There's little in the the Empire strikes back to suggest that the journey to Bespin took months, though it may have been retconned over the thirty odd years since the film came out. Asgard: Yeah, she's a bit of a mechanic, established from the get go. Can she fly better than Han - that's not established. And Luke took to the guns with no experience too. I find all this "Rey is too good" a little bizarre. As bizarre as "they ruined Luke". But seriously, star wars isn't character driven and never has been. All the characters are archetypes and tropes, the plot arcs derivative and explicitly along universal myths. Attempts to shift that by Lucas in the prequels grated horribly - the plots were essentially the back story for the evil vizier took over, his attempt at a Greek tragedy - but just too trite when watered down for universal appeal. Rebel one was the dirty dozen and every other classic war movie. Solo was a cowboy heist movie. 8 stands alone as trying to do something different - it's a delightfully bonkers, hot mess of a film trying to break out beyond the constraints. If they'd done anything different it would just end up being oddly unsatisfactory like the last Jedi.
hood Member	Thu Oct 24 23:24:14 8 is the last jedi, you god damned turd.
Habebe Member	Fri Oct 25 02:02:50 Been disappointed with the last two ( I did actually like solo though) the series hasn't been the same without Vader/Anakin ( he is the chosen one to bring balance back to the force)
Seb Member	Fri Oct 25 03:34:11 Hood: Yup. 8 is the one I'm talking about. She you confused?
Seb Member	Fri Oct 25 03:44:27 Habebe: The only one that's really thrilled me was rogue one. Solo was a bit meh for me. Partly because Han just felt a little bit too competent. I kinda get the problem though. Star wars is a lovely setting but you can't really recreate the magic of the first trilogy because the stories were purposefully archetypal. So you have a tightrope between feeling like a rehash from a plot point (as force awakens did, even though it was the first movie to actually *feel* like the classic trilogy) or feeling like you are deviating from the formula. Rogue 1 worked so well because the ww2 aesthetic of the classic (diesel punk, Nazis and naval warfare) lends itself perfectly to that; and is a bridge to a slightly more complex story where the good guys die the end. They should do more of that kind of thing: genre movies. I think solo would have worked better as a straight out Western without the complication of having Han in it.
The Children Member	Fri Oct 25 05:44:52 i called it 20 years ago.
hood Member	Fri Oct 25 07:28:45 And yet you said this: "8 stands alone as trying to do something different - it's a delightfully bonkers, hot mess of a film trying to break out beyond the constraints. If they'd done anything different it would just end up being oddly unsatisfactory like the last Jedi." It is different, but if they did it different, it would be unsatisfactory like the last Jedi, i.e. itself? You are tripping all the fuck over yourself.
Seb Member	Fri Oct 25 10:35:13 Hood: Yup, meant the force awakened. You figured it out. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Simpsons-Jeff_Albertson.png
Wrath of Orion Member	Fri Oct 25 18:46:30 I'd watch 7 and 8 a hundred times before watching 1-3 again. That said, a lot of lazy/bad choices were made for 7 and 8. But at least they're watchable shit, which is something compared to the unwatchable trainwrecks that are 1-3.
Cherub Cow Member	Sat Oct 26 05:02:27 For me, 1-3 can be made slightly watchable if you see them as that combined and re-edited version that Topher Grace did (the entire prequel trilogy as one movie). The new ones, on the other hand.. I have had absolutely zero impulse to rewatch ever. After seeing Episode 8, I was actually annoyed that I’d paid money and wasted my time on such a garbage heap. .. [Chuck]: “Seb's just going through the motions.” Yeah. Seems to be a devil’s advocate troll in motion. UP pretty universally hates Star Wars, so Seb figured, “What if I go full retard and pretend that they’re awesome movies?” It required taking some ridiculous positions (like basically saying that he liked 8 because it was campy — i.e., it was such shit that it entertained him), and of course he stated a demonstrable opposite in the troll as his strongest sentiment: “one thing I can definitely say, [Episode 8] ain't derivative.” Like, obviously Episode 8 had *tons* of derivative elements, from its main plot structure to its imagery to its character creation. It’s nothing if not derivative. But by saying something so retarded (“it ain’t derivative”), Seb can potentially bait people into systematically showing him how wrong he is, and just like that, Seb is entertained for the day. Luckily no one has bothered. The bait was just too obvious.
Seb Member	Sat Oct 26 10:58:21 CC: wow. Just wow. Your reading comprehension really does suck.
Cherub Cow Member	Sat Oct 26 20:50:38 As usual, Seb responds with no evidence, no citation, and no effort when confronted with his idiocy. A failed academic in action.
Seb Member	Sun Oct 27 04:21:19 One doesn't need to provide citations for the trivial.
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 27 10:27:00 Seb seems to want to be a troll. It's pretty sad.
Seb Member	Sun Oct 27 10:46:12 How unbelievably closed minded to think that a clearly articulated argument that is contrary to your opinion could only possibly be a troll.
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 27 11:40:52 The hypocrisy is lost on you.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 27 11:54:41 ^To expand on obaminated's point, the guy who recently reduced the complex myriad of reasons for Trump's election to nothing more than Americans are just a bunch of black-hating racists should probably not be complaining about his arguments not being taken seriously. And as for why we might be considering your posts here to be trollbait...you literally opened in this thread with "Episode 8 has really grown on me not for its ability to provide escapist entertainment, but because it does a great job selling far-left politics to its audience." I mean, come on.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 27 11:57:03 Meanwhile, if I was to say that I DIDN'T like Episode 8 because of its political bent, Seb and his kind would almost certainly immediately write me off as a basement-dwelling rightwing incel who just can't stand seeing a strong female protagonist or an Asian supporting character in his favorite franchise. The hypocrisy is real.
State Department Member	Sun Oct 27 20:49:05 I can remember when the most egregious damage done to the franchise was the inclusion of the Ewoks.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Oct 27 21:42:10 [Seb]: "How unbelievably closed minded to think that a clearly articulated argument that is contrary to your opinion could only possibly be a troll." Oh no, not "only possibly"; as I've stated before, there exist two options for explaining Seb's behavior (not mutually exclusive). 1) Seb is a giant troll 2) Seb is a giant retard Seb may be trolling by saying that he's not a troll, which is retarded. Seb may also just really, genuinely think this way, which shows that he's retarded. Like, this retard/troll even said he had "a clearly articulated argument", when it was gibberish illogic and doublethink at best. So, retarded? Troll? Retarded troll? Yeah. Retarded troll sounds right.
jergul large member	Mon Oct 28 02:18:01 CC What would happen if I went to general talk and called you a retard and/or a troll as often as you throw that around in here? What are your thoughts? Do you think GT should be a safe space for special snowflakes, or are you fine with cross forum banter?
Seb Member	Mon Oct 28 03:51:07 Rugian: What can I say, I like movies with a point to them - I enjoy interesting things even if they are flawed and I disagree with them. Last Jedi as escapist entertainment - will that just depends on how hard you need to work to suspend your disbelief. It's perfectly watchable (as is the force awakens despite being a near beat for beat echo of a new hope. I wouldn't write you off as "a basement-dwelling rightwing incel who just can't stand seeing a strong female protagonist or an Asian supporting character in his favorite franchise" *because* you didn't like 8. I "write you off as "a basement-dwelling rightwing incel who just can't stand seeing a strong female protagonist or an Asian supporting character in his favorite franchise" because of your various and diverse postings for over a decade. We hardly need to know your opinion on 8 - anyone who knows your persona can probably guess it. Cherub: I thought you weren't reading my posts? I think you should go back to doing that. They clearly provoke some kind of derangement in you. I shall start putting trigger warnings for you.
Forwyn Member	Thu Oct 31 13:18:00 Remember, kids: The Battle of Helms Deep is shit because cavalry with a literal wizard emanating an aura of fear and blinding their enemy charged down a hill that was too steep; but WWII-era gravity bombers that were simultaneously too important to lose but not important enough to use on the Starkiller base coasting into a space battle with paper-thin shielding is capable of suspension of disbelief
Cherub Cow Member	Sat Nov 02 05:07:49 Ugh, I forgot about that scene. That scene was worse than Ridley Scott's 2010 "Robin Hood" movie's ending scene where Robin Hood era soldiers disembarked at the Cliffs of Dover in wooden Higgins boats in a weird re-imagining of the "Saving Private Ryan" D-Day scene ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8DnR0OS6yE )... Can you imagine being in the writer's room of a 200 million dollar budget Star Wars movie pitching that garbage and having someone okay it? And then, after everything, they hire you back to write three more Star Wars movies? Rian Johnson finally found himself some suckers who were willing to make him rich. .. [Seb]: "I thought you weren't reading my posts?" I addressed this when GoT threads were populating UP, but Seb, having a poor memory, cannot remember better than any other goldfish in his unfiltered tank. Still, I'll quickly recap for bystander clarification: in threads about movies, TV, and culture (and this was *not* a complete list), I am more likely to read comments by UP's two cancerous users. But, I am not likely to talk *to* Seb or Jergul — I will talk *about* them or over them like one might speak of children and geriatric invalids while they sit in earshot. Since there was rarely good faith dialogue with them even when I spoke directly to them, that also means that I have no obligation to follow up with them while they try to grasp at the fading light of their elderly perceptions by speaking to me. In other words, at this point, I'll just trash them for being retarded, enjoy laughing, and move on when I feel that they've mocked themselves enough; they should expect abrupt endings. (E.g., the ""Right to bear arms" is all fake" thread wherein I trashed Jergul. I'm sure he responded, but would there be any good debate from him? No; the thread had already reached peak hilarious, so I can move on). .. [Jergul]: "What would happen if I went to general talk and called you a retard and/or a troll as often as you throw that around in here?" Shocking! Another schoolyard level counter from Jergul! This time it was "[How would *you* feel if I did that to *you*!]" [Jergul's nearby albino 10-year-old friend on the playground who always has nose crust and ear infections]: "Yeah! We have feelings!" lol... And then some nonsense about UGT and UP.. Umm.. it's all the same login. And even if it wasn't, would he expect better treatment from me there? Too good. Bless his heart! He sure does try! :D
Seb Member	Sat Nov 02 05:45:41 CC: I'm sorry but you are just not that memorable - I generally assume you are a controversialist troll so I don't tend to take what you say very seriously.
Cherub Cow Member	Sat Nov 02 07:05:32 Sebbish perception checks: (Blinkin in "Robin Hood: Men in Tights") http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvQJh-nS9TI [Blinkin]: "I heard that coming a mile away." [Robin]: "Very good, Blinkin, well done." [Blinkin]: "Pardon? Who's talking?"
jergul large member	Sat Nov 02 07:45:52 I am moving the discussion over to general talk as it has no political content.
jergul large member	Sat Nov 02 07:56:04 Seb To be fair, Seepage from CCs post indicates she has finally managed to try out full time employment through some work placement scheme and is attempting to emulate what she thinks is normal as she imagines the self-harming slicing days are a thing of the past. We should try to be kinder. CC Good luck with that :).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Nov 02 08:01:41 Many of you are retarded. When I started to entertain this possibility I saw the explanatory power and stuck with it. It was truly a weight off my shoulders. When you speak with educated people if the things they say back sound retarded, normal, pragmatic people with some ability to self-reflect will wonder, is it me? You may go around for weeks, and then, what if he/she is retarded? You flip through the thread(s), god dam it I explained this 4 times! Verdict: RETARDED But it requires at length discussions over something you disagree over. I have not done this with most people here. And the only one who came out of this as someone I believe isn’t retarded is Nekran. Also I don’t care at all I think 1-3 were great (minus jar jar binks). I don’t care enough about SW to hurry and see these new movies. So, fuck all of you.
jergul large member	Sat Nov 02 08:04:17 Normal, pragmatic people are generally educated Nimi.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Nov 02 08:34:18 I have insufficient data to draw that conclusion. I have met a lot of educated idiots. Whatever they lack in knowledge they try to make up for with ever firmer assertions and volume. I am just saying that retards can communicate in perfect grammar and without profanities, it is part of initial hurdle to get over. The person who gets upset at their retardation, operating under the assumption that they are normal is not to blame.
jergul large member	Sat Nov 02 14:11:53 Normal, pragmatic people get an education because having one is normal and pragmatic.
Wrath of Orion Member	Sat Nov 02 14:40:10 "Also I don’t care at all I think 1-3 were great" That's just sad.
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