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2012 UP Football Champ
Fri Nov 01 12:15:53
Remember Intimate Domain was used to seize these land and it permanently ruins farmland.


BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) — TC Energy’s Keystone pipeline has leaked an estimated 383,000 gallons (1.4 million liters) of oil in northeastern North Dakota, marking the second significant spill in two years along the line that carries Canadian tar sands oil through seven states, regulators said Thursday.

Crews on Tuesday shut down the pipeline after the leak was discovered, said Karl Rockeman, North Dakota’s water quality division director. It remained closed Thursday.

The Calgary, Alberta-based company formerly known as TransCanada said in a statement that the leak affected about 22,500 square feet (2090 sq. meters) of land near Edinburg, in Walsh County.

The company and regulators said the cause was being investigated.

“Our emergency response team contained the impacted area and oil has not migrated beyond the immediately affected area,” the company said in a statement.

TC Energy said the area affected by the spill is less than the size of a football field and that the amount of oil released — 9,120 barrels — would approximately half fill an Olympic-sized swimming pool.

North Dakota regulators were notified late Tuesday of the leak. Rockeman said some wetlands were affected, but not any sources of drinking water.

Regulators have been at the site since Wednesday afternoon monitoring the spill and cleanup, he said.

Crude began flowing through the $5.2 billion pipeline in 2011. It’s designed to carry crude oil across Saskatchewan and Manitoba, and through North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas and Missouri on the way to refineries in Patoka, Illinois and Cushing, Oklahoma.

It can handle about 23 million gallons daily.

The pipeline spill and shutdown comes as the company seeks to build the $8 billion Keystone XL pipeline that would carry tar sands oil from Alberta, Canada, to refineries in Texas. The proposed Keystone XL pipeline has drawn opposition from people who fear it will harm the environment.

President Donald Trump issued a federal permit for the expansion project in 2017, after it had been rejected by the Obama administration.

Together, the massive Keystone and Keystone XL network would be about five times the length of the trans-Alaska oil pipeline.

The original Keystone has experienced problems with spills in the past, including one in 2011 of more than 14,000 gallons (53,000 liters) of oil in southeastern North Dakota, near the South Dakota border. That leak was blamed on valve failure at a pumping station.

Another leak in 2016 prompted a weeklong shutdown of the pipeline. The company estimated that just under 17,000 gallons (64,350 liters) of oil spilled onto private land during that leak. Federal regulators said an “anomaly” on a weld on the pipeline was to blame. No waterways or aquifers were affected.

In 2017, the pipeline leaked an estimated 407,000 gallons (1.5 million liters) of oil onto farmland in northeastern South Dakota, in a rural area near the North Dakota border. The company had originally put the spill at about 210,000 gallons (795,000 liters).

Federal regulators said at the time that the Keystone leak was the seventh-largest onshore oil or petroleum product spill since 2010. Federal investigators said the pipeline was likely damaged during installation during 2008 and may have occurred when a vehicle drove over the pipe, causing it to weaken over time.

North Dakota’s biggest spill , and one of the largest onshore spills in U.S. history, came in 2013, when 840,000 gallons (3.1 million liters) spilled from a Tesoro pipeline in the northwestern part of the state. The company spent five years and nearly $100 million cleaning it up.

The Sierra Club said the latest spill was an example of why the Keystone XL should not be built.

“We don’t yet know the extent of the damage from this latest tar sands spill, but what we do know is that this is not the first time this pipeline has spilled toxic tar sands, and it won’t be the last.”

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders took to Twitter on Thursday to condemn the pipeline and Trump for supporting the extension of it.

Sanders said he would shut down the existing pipeline if elected.
large member
Fri Nov 01 12:39:51
"Intimate Domain"

I laughed :)
Fri Nov 01 12:43:37
"Remember Intimate Domain was used to seize these land and it permanently ruins farmland."

That is indeed a problem. Unfortunately, that problem pales in comparison to the alternative, which is to cave in to environmentalist extremists and deny ourselves the energy supplies we depend on.

To see the harm that far-left environmentalist policies cause, one only need look at New York, where the Democratic government has blocked the construction of a major gas pipeline and instituted a ban on fracking:

"National Grid Isn’t Providing New Gas Hookups in New York

Utility says it cannot process requests in New York area until a stalled pipeline wins approval

July 24, 2019 5:26 pm ET"


I would rather have energy and the occasional accident than no energy at all. Perhaps IBTY thinks differently on this matter.
large member
Fri Nov 01 12:47:46

Fri Nov 01 12:54:14

Wind energy accounts for 2% of US energy consumption.

Natural gas accounts for 31%.
Sam Adams
Fri Nov 01 13:08:37
Mmmmm chopped up eagles. So clean. Much greta. Vote aoc!!
Fri Nov 01 13:42:07
"We can only transport oil and natural gas via the most volatile long distance system, pipelines. No other system exists. All hail the pipeline."



"Somehow these resources would have gone somewhere else if we didn't build a leaky pipeline."


Mind you, all of this is hilariously false. Nobody was going to send the resources elsewhere. We still would have gotten all of the energy materials we needed. So don't fall for the extent bullshitery provided by the bullshit troll.
Fri Nov 01 13:42:54
Extent = extreme. Damn phone.
Fri Nov 01 14:07:50

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the alternative means of overland oil transportation are trains and trucks. How exactly are either of those more environmentally safe solutions than a pipeline?

Also, the idea behind blocking pipelines is not that the energy ends up being used elsewhere, but that it ends up being used by nobody at all (although of course Canada would easily be able to find alternative customers for its supply).

TL;DR, you're way off base here.
Fri Nov 01 14:08:37
"In the U.S., 100% of our natural gas is shipped by pipeline. 70% of crude oil and petroleum products are shipped by pipeline. 23% of oil shipments are on tankers and barges over water. Trucking only accounts for 4% of shipments, and rail for a mere 3%. In Canada, it’s even more lopsided. Almost all (97%) of natural gas and petroleum products are transported by pipelines (Canadian Energy Pipeline Association)."


Hood: wE cAn JuSt NoT uSe PiPeLiNeS aNyMoRe
large member
Fri Nov 01 14:13:47
Yepp, and wind should be about 20%. No point investing in infrastructure that will decrease its total share of US energy consumption.

You might as well be outraged over a stunning lack of stables for the horse based transportation network.

You are such a luddite.

Sea based wind turbines avoid a lot of issues.
Fri Nov 01 14:25:08

That's a ridiculous comparison. Horse carriages are functionally obsolete; natural gas and oil are not.

By all means, I'm in favor of building wind energy projects that are economically viable. Don't get me wrong on that.

The problem is that if wind energy could be delivered to consumers at the same cost for the same benefit as fossil fuels, energy producers would have already done so for now. The fact that they haven't is an indication that it isn't. Wind energy simply cannot meet the levels of demand that natural gas and oil do.

By the way, as long as we're complaining about intimate domain, how many square miles would it take to support a wind farm that could supplant Keystone's production? I'm guessing a lot.
Fri Nov 01 14:27:54

"No point investing in infrastructure that will decrease its total share of US energy consumption"

Is just so silly and detached from reality. If an area is experiencing an energy shortage and fossil fuels are the best solution for said shortage, we should forego the obvious solution so as to not dilute renewables' share of the energy market? Rubbish.
Fri Nov 01 14:35:22

The alternative to pipeline is indeed train and truck, however truck is not long distance carry. Pipelines are far worse pollutants and spill far more oil/gas per distance traveled than train. They are, empirically, the worse choice vs. rail.

Your suggestion that resources would go unused if not transported by pipeline is absolutely fucking nutty. What do you think we did before pipelines were built?

Basically, you're empirically wrong and too retarded to even bother verifying your wildly off base opinions. Feel free to go back to the threads we had before the pipeline was built to find the breadth of evidence I had posted supporting my facts. Or, alternatively, you could attempt to find facts supporting your statements.
Fri Nov 01 14:36:13
Note: TransCanada is not a valid source. Their statements were proved false well before the pipeline was completed.
large member
Fri Nov 01 15:17:14
Are you doubting that the fossil fuel fraction of total energy consumption will continue to fall?

Fri Nov 01 16:03:58
Hmm. Sucks that the USSC expanded eminent domain to commercial enterprises. Thanks, RBG.
Sat Nov 02 01:44:28
There's something severely mentally wrong with cuckservative nowadays. There non-stop defense of Trump's obvious transgressions and deep submersion into fake news networks has completely rotted their minds.

All of their shit arguments would be laughed at in almost any public venue outside of some hillbilly white evangelical church.

Tue Nov 12 12:47:52
Ive heard of eminate domain.... "Intimate" domain sounds dirty...
smart dude
Tue Nov 12 13:13:30
I've never heard of eminate domain
Tue Nov 12 13:25:50
Did someone of you fill a bucket?
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