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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 08 23:12:44
for our Fox News watchers who likely know nothing:

- there -was- a quid pro quo
- it appears Ukraine -was- aware of it
- Mulvaney is now tied to it (beyond his confession)
- the whistleblower remains irrelevant

the R excuses continue to fall apart, why anyone puts faith in Trump is bizarre

noose tightening
zombie jesus
Member
Sat Nov 09 01:41:58
Hold your tounge or have it cut from your head.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Nov 10 12:13:26
Trump working to get rid of Freedom of the Press by redefining it or something:

"
Bill Barr did not decline my request to talk about Ukraine. The story was a Fake Washington Post con job with an “anonymous” source that doesn’t exist. Just read the Transcript. The Justice Department already ruled that the call was good. We don’t have freedom of the press!
"
--------
"
ABC is as bad as the rest of them. Journalistic standards are nonexistent today. The press is so dishonest that we no longer have Freedom of the Press!
"

...but recall he respects the National Enquirer
(which criminally conspired w/ him to kill stories in the 2016 election*)

*article to contradict kargen if he tries to deny this or something:
http://apnews.com/1beb4bf23d0043eab87396ec56054814
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Nov 10 17:06:55
"
The call to the Ukrainian President was PERFECT. Read the Transcript! There was NOTHING said that was in any way wrong. Republicans, don’t be led into the fools trap of saying it was not perfect, but is not impeachable. No, it is much stronger than that. NOTHING WAS DONE WRONG!
"
~ agitated child dictator

keep abandoning your ethics, R sheep
smart dude
Member
Mon Nov 11 01:20:12
The Cheeto doth protest too much, methinks.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 11 11:51:45
"
Shifty Adam Schiff will only release doctored transcripts. We haven’t even seen the documents and are restricted from (get this) having a lawyer. Republicans should put out their own transcripts! Schiff must testify as to why he MADE UP a statement from me, and read it to all!
"
~ dangerous criminal liar

do you Fox News watchers have evidence the transcripts are doctored? I'll guess w/ extremely high confidence: no

There are no Republican versions, a court stenographer does it for everyone, the witness reviews it & can add updates or clarifications & signs off. The released ones are that version (the only version)... Schiff will NOT doctor them, as that would be an easily exposed crime... (& when Trump says all his opponents are committing crimes already, he is LYING EVERY TIME)

yet sadly kargen believes it's a reasonable concern
kargen
Member
Mon Nov 11 21:24:35
And you got it wrong again. Batting a solid 0.000 you are. Not your fault. Your brain is fried.

I said I wanted everything out in the open because I do not trust Schiff nor most the politicians in Washington.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 11 21:53:34
from the last time Trump claimed it:

me: "so you believe Schiff would actually alter deposition transcripts? "

you: "Sure, why not? You would and you are one and the same."

(^in last thread)

Schiff would not. I would not. There is NO reason to believe it happened. NONE. Quite possibly an attempt by the corrupt criminal child fraud Trump to encourage Nunes or another capo to actually do doctored transcripts or something (which they won't, as even those scum aren't as detached from morality as Trump)

But minimally, even w/o that corrupt motive, they are COMPLETELY unacceptable baseless allegations that yet again prove his unfitness for office.

Anyone finding him fit for office is totally nuts... like you.
kargen
Member
Mon Nov 11 22:20:06
seems tongue in cheek is something else your altered state can't fathom.

You did see where I said I don't trust him nor others didn't you? Yeah you did it just doesn't fit your narrative so you hallucinated something else.

And we do have Schiff just making shit up then when getting called on it try to pass it off as parody.
Remember this little beauty? “ample evidence of collusion in plain sight.”
Schiff said that after telling we the people for weeks that he had actual proof. He didn't have proof. He had the same problem you have. He wanted something to be true so bad that his brain just said hey it's true. Or he is an idiot I guess that is always an option.

So no I don't trust him and yes I would want the hearing out and in the open even if Republicans were the ones running the show.
Rugian
Member
Mon Nov 11 22:32:45
kargen

If tw was at all capable of recognizing tongue-in-cheek humor, I expect that his grievances with the sarcasm-master-in-chief would be pretty much abated by now.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 11 23:45:01
fine, pretend you were joking (but not really joking since still claiming Schiff would do so)

...and there was evidence of collusion ("Hey Don Jr., the Russian gov't wants to collude", Don Jr: "I love it")

doesn't change how ridiculously unfit it makes Trump who is NOT joking

he will continue to call the evidence fake, smear the witnesses w/ lies, claim the election is rigged, etc. & his nutjob fans will believe it & it matters
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 11 23:50:16
if you want any credibility of not being a Trump lover, how about stating it is incredibly fucked up and wrong for the President to frequently undermine faith in our institutions with completely made-up bullshit

not a big ask

and as he will continue to do so, start having problems with it each and every time
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 12 00:21:53
try thinking of it this way, if your crazy mind is capable:

how many people do you think believe Schiff is doctoring transcripts based entirely on Trump's tweets?
(i'll guess it's a 6 or 7 figure number, possibly 8 figures if the scum at Fox News is repeating it)

you claim to know it's a total bullshit lie (as it definitely is)

so, now x people believe Dems in congress are so corrupt that they are altering under oath transcripts based on the totally made-up bullshit of an obvious fraud sitting in the Oval Office... that is clear harm to America, & solely for Trump's own benefit, there is no other way to look at it

so have a problem with it on just this one occasion, then notice that's Trump's standard operating procedure

∴ Trump is unfit
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 12 11:57:33
"I will be releasing the transcript of the first, and therefore more important, phone call with the Ukrainian President before week’s end!"
~ fraud

(originally he said it would be released today... can't trust a word...)

but more to the point, it is not 'therefore' the more important call... the one w/ corrupt behavior is the more important call

Rugian
Member
Tue Nov 12 12:06:07
"it is incredibly fucked up and wrong for the President to frequently undermine faith in our institutions"

It never ceases to amaze me at how you cant grasp that Trump is more of an effect than a cause of existing discontent with the system.

http://con...OLL/sotiyunbh0ezyuyvnawipa.png

There wasn't much faith anyway, bro.
patom
Member
Tue Nov 12 12:34:51
So what is the alternative to trusting the FBI CIA or any other US intelligence agency? National Enquirer, Fox News, GRU, Ukraine, Turkey, China?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 12 13:19:26
so poisoning minds (--solely for self interest--) is not harmful?

elections are rigged, fraud voting is rampant, judges ruling against Trump are corrupt 'obama judges' (or corrupt mexicans), congress is doctoring testimony, media is making up all its sources (but only when it's negative to Trump), the FBI is corrupt (w/ zero evidence)...

seriously... why do you people find this acceptable?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 12 13:20:48
...and in case Forwyn or whomever comes in to attack FBI / intel agencies, note Trump's ONLY issues are those helping himself
TJ
Member
Tue Nov 12 13:30:19
"The Tumbleweed Dossier"

Within the pages you will discover the truth about vampires, aliens, and unidentified flying objects. An omnibus novel.
kargen
Member
Tue Nov 12 15:24:19
I thought we learned in 1987 not to fully trust government agencies?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 12 19:07:33
so you can't say it? the strongest you can go is you disagree w/ some of what he does & merely suggest people ignore him

a continuous liar undermining faith in every branch of government, elections & the media w/ made-up bullshit is of no real concern... even when in the office of the Presidency and clearly commanding a huge cult of gullible loyal believers

you have pathetic standards

Forwyn
Member
Tue Nov 12 20:46:05
> faith
> government

lulz

You can shit on Trump without putting blind faith in government institutions simply because they oppose him.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 12 21:13:56
Focus on the made-up bullshit part.

you find govt disfunctional or dishonest so it's ok for -the President- to claim Dems are doctoring testimony

you find media biased so its ok for -the President- to claim their sources are all faked (as I noted before, if he wasn't a fucking moron he'd claim sources are lying rather than being fictional... which is definitely a lie)

you distrust intel agencies so it's ok for -the President- to trust Putin's word over their unanimous conclusions (& MBS's word)

you distrust the FBI so it's ok for -the President- to claim they launched an illegal hoax/coup... which involved no planted evidence and didn't even target Trump personally until he started obstructing...

you distrust judges for whatever reason so it's ok if -the President- claims they are all deciding cases based entirely on their politics rather than the law... if Obama appointed them, they rule against Trump simply because of that

you want voter ID or whatever, so it's ok if -the Prsident- claims there were millions of fraud votes cast (which would have affected numerous races)

It is not ok. He is not simply sharing your concerns, or expressing any legitimate concerns... it is made-up bullshit.

This is obvious. This is wrong. Wake Up.


kargen
Member
Tue Nov 12 21:15:48
"so you can't say it? the strongest you can go is you disagree w/ some of what he does"

guess it needs repeating.

I react more to actions than words. Pay attention to what is happening not what was said.

President Trump can say the FBI is corrupt thirty or forty times a day and it isn't going to change my mind about the FBI.

People have had a problem with the press pretty much since day one. That is why we have quotes such as this "I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their camp rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are."
William Sherman.

They survived Sherman's opinions and if they pull their heads out their asses they can survive President Trump's opinions.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 12 21:43:27
"President Trump can say the FBI is corrupt thirty or forty times a day and it isn't going to change my mind about the FBI."

how about YOU "Pay attention to what is happening":
http://www...oads/sites/4/2018/07/1_new.png
(that's July 2018, probably even worse now)

& there is no question the visceral hatred of the press is all Trump

see my last post, i hope you started typing your post before seeing it... if not, you missed the point entirely

Trump is actively making distrust worse across the board (w/ self-serving BULLSHIT)... kinda unacceptable in a -President-
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 12 22:12:05
"DACA recipients with arrest records: 53,792! That is a very large proportion of the total. @LouDobbs
Not good, but we will be able to make a deal with the Dems!"
~ garbage


as to 'very large proportion'... it's ~7%, took me <1 minute to check, is that the approximate figure you guessed from 'very large proportion'?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 12 22:17:59
...also, perhaps more importantly, i guarantee Trump made zero effort to check what proportion it actually was

ridiculously unfit
patom
Member
Wed Nov 13 05:30:42
7% of the US population will be in trouble of one sort or another. I'm betting that in some areas a lot more than 7% will be drug addicts.
kargen
Member
Wed Nov 13 10:07:26
"Trump is actively making distrust worse across the board (w/ self-serving BULLSHIT)... kinda unacceptable in a -President-"

Kinda like when President Obama was in office and the race card was being dropped frequently. I waded through the bullshit with President Obama and can wade through it with President Trump. Most others can and will also.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 13 11:38:45
no, it's not like that at all

i say again, you have pathetic standards & are a crazy person

i'm glad you at least pretend to know everything he says is bullshit even though you can't seem to have a problem with it

kargen
Member
Wed Nov 13 12:58:03
well yeah it is like that almost exactly. Though those claiming racism were much more disingenuous.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 13 13:46:41
"It is not ok."

Lol. So vote against him. Boohoo, muh poor Dems, media, intel agencies, judges, and fraudulent voters
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 13 17:37:36
can you detail times Obama played the race card that you think are remotely similar?


let's note Forwyn apparently has pathetic standards in a President too... meh, actively undermining every American institution out of pure self-interest & with no legitimate argument, just made-up bullshit... no biggie, completely acceptable behavior

probably no other person in America would do as much harm w/ as much dishonesty, but whatever

seriously, try to imagine someone
kargen
Member
Wed Nov 13 18:22:20
“There’s no doubt that there’s some folks who just really dislike me because they don’t like the idea of a black President.”

“cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

"What they're going to try to do is make you scared of me," Obama said. "You know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

Should we get into the rhetoric Eric Holder spewed at near every opportunity? Then look at the press supporting President Obama and all the stories on race they ran. Race relations suffered when President Obama was in office and it wasn't because of Republicans or angry white people in the south.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 13 18:35:40
"harm"

Which does more harm, giving jihadis BGM-71 TOW missiles, or hurting the feefees of some NSA analysts and NYT writers?

Let's ask a slaughtered Syrian family.

Whether your butthole is puckering at Trump's retardation is all a matter of perspective.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 13 19:13:27
is his constant bullshit a requirement for him to not give jihadis weapons? also who says he's not giving weapons? he sells weapons at every opportunity

---------

"There’s no doubt that there’s some folks who just really dislike me because they don’t like the idea of a black President."

that sounds like a true fact, unlike:

'there were millions of fraud votes' (plus claiming rigged election every primary/election as he definitely will again in 2020)
'Schiff is doctoring testimony'
'media only has fake sources & is the enemy of the people'
'Obama judges ignore the law'
'FBI is politically corrupt & launches illegal hoax/coups'

even a moron R congressman said Trump going around the FBI, straight to Ukraine, for investigations made sense as the FBI can't be trusted


plus you could also have a problem w/ how Trump actually does his 'work'... watches TV, preferring entertainment shows, talks to Erdogan/Putin/Saudis (all trusted more than Americans)... will read nothing except bullet points, requires lots of pictures in briefings to try to keep his attention, gets angry if people take notes, etc.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 13 19:22:41
and back to Obama, it's not like he was stirring up racial hatred on a regular basis... if you found those few comments offensive, fine. What Eric Holder may have said or what media stories ran have NO relevance to this discussion... although I realize there's not any decent defenses for you to work with.

Trump stirs up division and distrust continuously.
(and with made-up bullshit)
Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 13 20:15:44
"is his constant bullshit a requirement for him to not give jihadis weapons?"

It's a valid trade.

"who says he's not giving weapons? he sells weapons at every opportunity"

To the Saudis, Turks, etc, which is cuckish, but not out of the ordinary. Timber Sycamore was ended by Trump.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 13 20:40:58
if Trump was personally involved in stopping weapons to anyone it would've only been because they weren't paying

if they paid, they'd get them... he's not standing on any principles

he even has gone against congress in his desire to sell weapons to any questionable countries he can
kargen
Member
Thu Nov 14 03:51:24
I'm going to use your logic here just this once.

Tumbleweed "We should give weapons to countries whenever they ask and they don't even have to pay for them."

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 14 11:58:10
just noting most everything people give Trump credit for he had nothing to do with (tax cuts, supreme court judges... yes, different if Hillary won, but NOT different if ANY other/actual R won)

plus obviously he takes credit for things regularly that had nothing to do w/ him (like a factory opening that was planned years ago)

i was unfamiliar w/ the term "Timber Sycamore", but in wikipedia it says ending it was viewed as a concession to Russia... so perhaps Trump was indeed involved

just like Trump's complaints about every aspect of America, his decisions on policy are not going to be for the reasons an educated person shares them... if they match up, it's pure coincidence/luck
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 14 12:10:45
"Trump is now averaging 10 false claims per day over the 18 weeks I've been counting at CNN. It was 3 per day in 2017, 8 per day in 2018."
~ Daniel Dale (fact checker)

last week's long list of lies:
http://www...ber-67-false-claims/index.html

so ridiculous
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 14 12:17:29
...for the record, when i mentioned him falsely taking credit for a factory i hadn't yet seen that article which starts off w/ yet another example of him doing it... a repeated act of the TOTAL FRAUD

"They couldn't get their permits for years. I got them real fast," he said. "I said, 'How long?' I said, 'Let's go get them that permit.'"

(he did nothing)

again, throw a rock out the window & you'll hit someone more fit for office (assuming you hit someone... or even if you don't really)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 15 15:21:04
Trump released the first call (& therefore the most important, of course)

if i may commit treason, here's my summary:

Trump: congrats on your election
Zelensky: thanks, you are awesome
Trump: i agree i am awesome
Zelensky: we'd love for you to come to my inauguration & see our great country
Trump: i saw your Miss Universe contestants therefore i know your country completely, i'll instead someone else as i'll be busy watching TV & golfing... maybe you can come here sometime
Zelensky: oh thank you, your greatness


middle section of transcript (w/ the Miss Universe bit... pretty sure he said the same thing publicly so not too surprising)
http://pbs...XkAARvou?format=jpg&name=large


fun facts: Pence was yanked from attending the inauguration as Zelensky hadn't yet committed to the extortion plot... & that White House meeting was not extended for same reason
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 15 15:40:31
apparently the White House had originally characterized that 1st call as Trump "expressed his commitment to work together with President-elect Zelensky and the Ukrainian people to implement reforms that strengthen democracy, increase prosperity, and root out corruption”

good luck finding that part... it's 3 pages, hunt away
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Nov 16 01:48:15
Trump pardoned 2 military people & restored the rank of a 3rd (all accused of war crimes)

here's what was in the statement by the current piece of shit press secretary:

"
The President, as Commander-in-Chief, is ultimately responsible for ensuring that the law is enforced and when appropriate, that mercy is granted.
"

kind of concerning considering how he accuses people of crimes without evidence on a regular basis (& likes to ignore crimes by people who support him)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Nov 17 18:48:34
Trump answering a question about gun violence as only Trump (or an unfit idiot liar) can:
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJnYz7mWkAAURvb?format=png

"so when we talk about having meetings on gun violence"... yeah, that happened...
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Nov 20 19:52:25
I maintain that next US president is going to be able to do pretty much anything, At this point, whatever used to be a taboo for politicians, any political suicide, is meaningless. For example, how do you feel about president stealing money from veterans charity, to use in his campaign? Actually, who cares how you feel, it is not even a big news anymore

————
NEW YORK — A judge Thursday ordered U.S. President Donald Trump to pay $2 million to an array of charities as a fine for misusing his own charitable foundation to further his political and business interests.


New York state Judge Saliann Scarpulla imposed the penalty after the president admitted to a series of abuses that were outlined in a lawsuit brought against him last year by the New York attorney general’s office.

Among other things, Trump acknowledged he improperly allowed his presidential campaign staff to co-ordinate with the Trump Foundation in holding a fundraiser for veterans during the run-up to the 2016 Iowa caucuses. The event was designed “to further Mr. Trump’s political campaign,” Scarpulla said.
Cont

http://glo...trump-foundation-charity-fine/
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 20 20:25:40
unsurprisingly Trump painted that as basically a win for him in a statement he put on Twitter
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 20 22:18:43
sort of minor, but still idiotic...

Trump made notes for himself in giant black marker (seemingly the only writing implement he uses) so it was picked up on camera and he spelled Zelensky as Zellinsky... the 'man' is being impeached over this and talks about it every day yet apparently hasn't read a single thing such that he'd pick up the spelling... he gets -all- his info from watching Fox News entertainment shows (proven again)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 21 13:24:53
"
Fiona Hill with that Prince Andrew accent, and "Defense Minister" Vindman from the Ukraine ....

I'm wondering: are any Americans going to testify against Trump?
"
~ Emerald Robinson
Chief White House Correspondent for @OANN (& hot blonde)


OANN is the network Trump likes to call on first even though it's hardly a top news network, but you can guess why i think... it will probably become the one and only news agency if Trump re-elected

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 21 13:38:47
The Secret Service spent $250K at Trump's properties in his first 5 months in office -- paying POTUS's business ***$2,000 a day*** in taxpayer funds, new documents show.

[w/ link to WaPo article]
http://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/1197595641905655808
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 22 12:00:18
Trump (the unfit moron) on Fox & Friends again detailing his idiocy about the DNC server
(i assume from today, but it's recent if not as he notes the damning phone call)

http://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1197879132706738177

-Crowdstrike is not a Ukrainian company
-Crowdstrike is not owned by a Ukrainian
-the server is not in Ukraine
-the FBI is not looking for the server
-there is no reason to believe it wasn't Russia who hacked it (FBI did look at a copy of the server, they didn't say 'gosh, we can't really be sure as we don't have the server')


and Trump thinks all of his false beliefs are 'what the word is'
(so even after everyone has heard his nonsense on the phone call, no one has updated him on the facts or he is unable to absorb it)

the 'man' needs removed

quod erat demonstrandum
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 22 12:31:29
another gem, on why he removed the ambassador:

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1197891833625501696

his primary concern was that she wouldn't hang his picture i guess as it's the first problem noted (how did he even learn that)... plus that she said bad things about him & wouldn't defend him (which there's no record of... so heard from Hannity or Giuliani)

as to the portrait... a reporter has noted:

"The White House didn't send out official portraits to the embassy in Ukraine until nearly a year into his presidency.

A member of Yovanovitch's legal team tells me she hung portraits of Trump, Pence & Pompeo "as soon as they arrived" from D.C."


trusting Trump's belief on anything would be idiotic (as proven repeatedly... ex. my last post)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 22 15:10:26
the 'at least' 18 lies by Trump in that above Fox & Friends interview:

http://www...nd-friends-november/index.html

so ridiculous

can someone point to another first world leader who lies so much? (obviously not)... so any leader at all?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 22 15:17:42
actually i'll amend that from 'lies' to 'false claims' as they use... lies would imply Trump knows the truth on all of them & i'd never accuse Trump of having accurate knowledge

a heady mix of lies, false claims & made-up bullshit

the Trump brand
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Nov 23 14:52:03
The secretary of the Navy and the admiral who leads the SEALs have threatened to resign or be fired if plans to expel a commando from the elite unit in a war crimes case are halted by President Trump, administration officials said Saturday.

The Navy is proceeding with the disciplinary plans against the commando, Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher, who counts Mr. Trump as one of his most vocal supporters. After reversing a demotion in recent days, the president suggested on Thursday that he would intervene again in the case, saying that the sailor should remain in the unit.

The threats by the Navy secretary, Richard V. Spencer, and the commander, Rear Adm. Collin Green, are a rare instance of pushback against Mr. Trump from members of the Defense Department. Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper and Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, scrambled to come up with a face-saving compromise this past week in the hope that Mr. Trump could be persuaded to change his mind.

On Thursday, Mr. Trump, referring to the pin that signifies membership in an elite force, said on Twitter that “The Navy will NOT be taking away Warfighter and Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher’s Trident Pin.” He added: “This case was handled very badly from the beginning. Get back to business!”

One argument that officials said may be relied on is the assumption that a tweet does not constitute a formal presidential order. Mr. Esper and General Milley conveyed to the president that if he followed up that tweet with a direct order, there would be huge consequences: Mr. Trump would lose Mr. Spencer and Admiral Green, further infuriate his top military leadership and do untold damage to decades of military justice doctrine, according to administration officials.

Administration officials said they now hoped that Mr. Trump would allow the proceedings to continue, but it is unclear whether the president will do so. The debate over Chief Gallagher comes as Mr. Trump, facing a difficult re-election battle and an impeachment inquiry, has increasingly sought to highlight his role as commander in chief.

<cont'd>
http://www...scipline-edward-gallagher.html

so ridiculous... people having to hope the shit Trump spews on twitter isn't what he really wants... this would happen w/ NO ONE else serving as President... or even a McDonalds night manager

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Nov 23 15:01:55
^not phrased well... i mean people working under his admin being unsure if he means what he says


plus i'm sure 100% of Trump's info about the cases has come from watching Fox News entertainment shows

i hope they resign... every person who has to deal w/ unfit Trump's always ill-informed orders should do so
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Nov 23 16:29:30
"
TRUTH ALERT:

The statement I’ve made several times of having an insurance policy, if thrown under bus, is sarcastic & relates to the files in my safe about the Biden Family’s 4 decade monetizing of his office.

If I disappear, it will appear immediately along with my RICO chart.
"
~ Rudy Giuliani, a criminal behaving like a (mentally unstable) criminal

http://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1198352974000644097
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Nov 24 14:41:30
apparently the White House has told the military to just ignore the moron's tweets & proceed

although, Fox News felt it necessary to put the disgraced soldier on TV to smear the military leaders so maybe the lil boy prez will reassert himself

totally normal
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Nov 24 18:24:51
so the Defense Secretary has asked the Secretary of the Navy to resign... three reasons have been reported

1) for going around the Secretary of Defense to negotiate w/ the idiot child prez about the SEAL case

2) his resignation letter says he was unable to obey the command of the idiot child prez

3) and the idiot child prez put out this almost certain bullshit (as always) explanation:
"
I was not pleased with the way that Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher’s trial was handled by the Navy. He was treated very badly but, despite this, was completely exonerated on all major charges. I then restored Eddie’s rank. Likewise, large cost overruns from past administration’s.....
....contracting procedures were not addressed to my satisfaction. Therefore, Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer’s services have been terminated by Secretary of Defense Mark Esper. I thank Richard for his service & commitment. Eddie will retire peacefully with all of the.....
....honors that he has earned, including his Trident Pin. Admiral and now Ambassador to Norway Ken Braithwaite will be nominated by me to be the new Secretary of the Navy. A man of great achievement and success, I know Ken will do an outstanding job!
"

it certainly was not about cost overruns...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Nov 24 18:57:53
better summary via reporter tweet:

"
There are now 3 versions of Spencer firing:
TRUMP: Navy treated Gallagher badly + cost overruns
ESPER: Spencer sidestepped DOD, made secret proposal to WH to allow Gallagher to retire w/ Trident pin
SPENCER: Resigned because he couldn't obey Trump order on Gallagher
"

(definitely isn't Trump's version as any thinking person knows... not based on this particular content, just whatever he says would not be true)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Nov 24 23:25:10
so there's a story about White House emails detailing how Mulvaney & lawyers worked to come up with a legal justification for Trump holding up the Ukraine aid (as obviously Trump wouldn't seek a legal justification first or even understand the concept)


hero George Conway noted it reminded him of this piece:
"
“The Apprentice” was built around a weekly series of business challenges. At the end of each episode, Trump determined which competitor should be “fired.” But, as Braun explained, Trump was frequently unprepared for these sessions, with little grasp of who had performed well. Sometimes a candidate distinguished herself during the contest only to get fired, on a whim, by Trump. When this happened, Braun said, the editors were often obliged to “reverse engineer” the episode, scouring hundreds of hours of footage to emphasize the few moments when the exemplary candidate might have slipped up, in an attempt to assemble an artificial version of history in which Trump’s shoot-from-the-hip decision made sense. During the making of “The Apprentice,” Burnett conceded that the stories were constructed in this way, saying, “We know each week who has been fired, and, therefore, you’re editing in reverse.” Braun noted that President Trump’s staff seems to have been similarly forced to learn the art of retroactive narrative construction, adding, “I find it strangely validating to hear that they’re doing the same thing in the White House.”
"
http://www...as-an-icon-of-american-success


"Trump was frequently unprepared for these sessions"... we hear this about him over & over & over (plus his phone call transcripts PROVE it)...

UNFIT
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 25 11:56:18
"(CNN)Secretary of Defense Mark Esper said President Donald Trump ordered him to allow a controversial Navy SEAL accused of war crimes to keep his status in the elite service, despite resistance from Navy leaders.

Esper said that on Sunday Trump "gave me an order" that Eddie Gallagher would retain his Trident, the pin worn by Navy SEALS that symbolizes their membership in the elite military community.

"The case of Eddie Gallagher has dragged on for months and has distracted too many. It must end," Esper said Monday. "Eddie Gallagher will retain his Trident as the Commander in Chief directed and will retire at the end of this month."
"
http://www...r-spencer-aftermath/index.html

so Trump has tarnished the SEALS...

behave as bad as you want, be like Trump!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 25 13:03:24
one of Giuliani's mafia fraud goons claims mentally retarded capo Devin Nunes met w/ fired Ukrainian prosecutor Shokin to dig up dirt on Biden (records show Nunes -was- in Europe at the time of the alleged European meeting... and on the tax payers' dime)

Nunes claims it's "demonstrably false" but for some reason won't demonstrabulate™ it... plus says he'll sue CNN because of the story (for which he was asked to comment but wouldn't... and is merely CNN saying what the guy is claiming... & the guy hangs out w/ the President's lawyer & family, not just a random crazy hobo, so his lawsuit will fail assuming it ever occurs which it probably won't like how his mob boss Trump does)

anyhoo... when a Fox host asks Nunes if he did in fact meet Shokin... Nunes dodges... can't just say 'no', would be too tricky i guess... too hard to 'debate this in the media'

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1198659080417619970
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 25 13:08:34
Trump wanted to put a muzzle on hero dog Conan.

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1199020902215753736

Can't close an umbrella, terrified of dogs, thinks you need ID for groceries. Man of the people.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 26 11:58:36
Trump isn't fighting for himself, oh no, he's only thinking of others:

"
The D.C. Wolves and Fake News Media are reading far too much into people being forced by Courts to testify before Congress. I am fighting for future Presidents and the Office of the President. Other than that, I would actually like people to testify. Don McGahn’s respected....

...lawyer has already stated that I did nothing wrong. John Bolton is a patriot and may know that I held back the money from Ukraine because it is considered a corrupt country, & I wanted to know why nearby European countries weren’t putting up money also. Likewise, I would....

...love to have Mike Pompeo, Rick Perry, Mick Mulvaney and many others testify about the phony Impeachment Hoax. It is a Democrat Scam that is going nowhere but, future Presidents should in no way be compromised. What has happened to me should never happen to another President!
"
~ unfit liar


also in this bullshit is his vague explanation for withholding the money (which kargen doesn't even think happened, so perhaps this will let him know to change his news sources)... but far more important is Trump cites his COMPLETELY WRONG belief that Europe sends no aid (which he has said before)... Europe has sent more aid to Ukraine than the US

a President who has continuous false information is unfit for office... how can anyone debate this

(plus he's not just telling the world this constant false info, which is bad enough, he's unsurprisingly basing actions off it... so even crazy people who think his words should not be expected to have meaning should find him unfit...)

a total embarrassment to the nation

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 26 12:12:10
moron liar:

"They've been working on this for years & years, and I'm curious why wasn't it done a long time ago? And also, I guess the answer to that is because now I'm president, we get things done."

http://twitter.com/thehill/status/1199181946166874112

...on signing the the Woman's Suffrage Centennial Coin Act... Centennial... for something from 1920... why didn't they do that a long time ago?

Bush couldn't get it done, Obama couldn't get it done, even Jesus couldn't do it... thank God for choosing hard-working Trump to finally get that done...

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 26 13:27:10
and Trump using his turkey pardoning ceremony to attack Schiff & the impeachment while struggling to read his teleprompter

what a piece of shit
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 27 11:47:29
"The point of modern propaganda isn't only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth."
~ Garry Kasparov, chess guy


meanwhile, the is the President of the United States' latest tweet, after having another lie-packed rally last night:

http://twi...ump/status/1199718185865535490
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 27 13:11:26
more tax and/or bank fraud... same as usual, just found on a 3rd Trump property
http://www...rds-reveal-new-inconsistencies

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 27 16:16:15
Pompeo confirmed to be garbage:

when asked if it indeed needs investigated if Ukraine hacked the DNC server he says:

“Any time there is information that indicates that any country has messed with American elections, we not only have a right, but a duty to make sure we chase that down”

so, i guess we can assume absolutely no one is willing to tell Trump he is full of easily disproven information... and that is completely acceptable to R's (they even encouraged it by ignoring his Crowdstrike IDIOCY & talking about black ledgers etc to make it seem reasonable)

no big deal if he's discussing total nonsense when talking to other leaders

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 27 16:19:29
Trump:

"No, I didn't direct [Rudy] but he's a warrior, Rudy's a warrior. Rudy went, he possibly saw something,” Trump told former Fox News host Bill O’Reilly in an interview.

Asked by O’Reilly what Giuliani was doing in Ukraine on Trump's behalf, the president said: "You have to ask that to Rudy, but Rudy, I don't, I don't even know. I know he was going to go to Ukraine and I think he canceled a trip. But, you know, Rudy has other clients other than me. I'm one person."


it's not like we have a transcript released by Trump showing Trump asking Zelensky to work with Rudy or anything... (plus sworn testimony by Trump's friend saying Trump asked him to work w/ Rudy)

total fucking liar, every single day

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 27 17:47:17
Richard Spencer: I was fired as Navy secretary. Here’s what I’ve learned because of it.

The case of Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher, a Navy SEAL who was charged with multiple war crimes before being convicted of a single lesser charge earlier this year, was troubling enough before things became even more troubling over the past few weeks. The trail of events that led to me being fired as secretary of the Navy is marked with lessons for me and for the nation.

It is highly irregular for a secretary to become deeply involved in most personnel matters. Normally, military justice works best when senior leadership stays far away. A system that prevents command influence is what separates our armed forces from others. Our system of military justice has helped build the world’s most powerful navy; good leaders get promoted, bad ones get moved out and criminals are punished.

In combat zones, the stakes are even higher. We train our forces to be both disciplined and lethal. We strive to use proportional force, protect civilians and treat detainees fairly. Ethical conduct is what sets our military apart. I have believed that every day since joining the Marine Corps in 1976.

We are effective overseas not because we have the best equipment, but because we are professionals. Our troops are held to the highest standards. We expect those who lead our forces to exercise excellent judgment. The soldiers and sailors they lead must be able to count on that.

Earlier this year, Gallagher was formally charged with more than a dozen criminal acts, including premeditated murder, which occurred during his eighth deployment overseas. He was tried in a military court in San Diego and acquitted in July of all charges, except one count of wrongfully posing for photographs with the body of a dead Islamic State fighter. The jury sentenced him to four months, the maximum possible; because he had served that amount of time waiting for trial, he was released.

President Trump involved himself in the case almost from the start. Before the trial began, in March, I received two calls from the president asking me to lift Gallagher’s confinement in a Navy brig; I pushed back twice, because the presiding judge, acting on information about the accused’s conduct, had decided that confinement was important. Eventually, the president ordered me to have him transferred to the equivalent of an enlisted barracks. I came to believe that Trump’s interest in the case stemmed partly from the way the defendant’s lawyers and others had worked to keep it front and center in the media.

After the verdict was delivered, the Navy’s normal process wasn’t finished. Gallagher had voluntarily submitted his request to retire. In his case, there were three questions: Would he be permitted to retire at the rank of chief, which is also known as an E-7? (The jury had said he should be busted to an E-6, a demotion.) The second was: Should he be allowed to leave the service with an “honorable” or “general under honorable” discharge? And a third: Should he be able to keep his Trident pin, the medal all SEALs wear and treasure as members of an elite force?

On Nov. 14, partly because the president had already contacted me twice, I sent him a note asking him not to get involved in these questions. The next day, White House Counsel Pat Cipollone called me and said the president would remain involved. Shortly thereafter, I received a second call from Cipollone who said the president would order me to restore Gallagher to the rank of chief.

This was a shocking and unprecedented intervention in a low-level review. It was also a reminder that the president has very little understanding of what it means to be in the military, to fight ethically or to be governed by a uniform set of rules and practices.

Given my desire to resolve a festering issue, I tried to find a way that would prevent the president from further involvement while trying all avenues to get Gallagher’s file in front of a peer-review board. Why? The Naval Special Warfare community owns the Trident pin, not the secretary of the Navy, not the defense secretary, not even the president. If the review board concluded that Gallagher deserved to keep it, so be it.

I also began to work without personally consulting Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper on every step. That was, I see in retrospect, a mistake for which I am solely responsible.

On Nov. 19, I briefed Esper’s chief of staff concerning my plan. I briefed acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney that evening.

The next day, the Navy established a review board to decide the status of Gallagher’s Trident pin. According to long-standing procedure, a group of four senior enlisted SEALs would rule on the question. This was critical: it would be Gallagher’s peers managing their own community. The senior enlisted ranks in our services are the foundation of good order and discipline.

But the question was quickly made moot: On Nov. 21, the president tweeted that Gallagher would be allowed to keep his pin — Trump’s third intervention in the case. I recognized that the tweet revealed the president’s intent. But I did not believe it to be an official order, chiefly because every action taken by the president in the case so far had either been a verbal or written command.

The rest is history. We must now move on and learn from what has transpired. The public should know that we have extensive screening procedures in place to assess the health and well-being of our forces. But we must keep fine-tuning those procedures to prevent a case such as this one from happening again.

More importantly, Americans need to know that 99.9 percent of our uniformed members always have, always are and always will make the right decision. Our allies need to know that we remain a force for good, and to please bear with us as we move through this moment in time.

http://www...a-bf62-eadd5d11f559_story.html

TLDR: Trump continually interfered w/ that Navy SEAL issue from watching Fox News

if the constant hiring from Fox News & Trump having his agenda set by Fox & Friends each morning hasn't demonstrated it enough, Fox News entertainment shows are running the Presidency

(Fox News also got that quality anti-corruption Ukraine ambassador woman fired)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Nov 30 01:48:05
"[Trump] stumbles, slurs, gets confused, is easily irritated, and has trouble synthesizing information, not occasionally but with regularity," the official warns.

Often, they say, "the president also can't remember what he's said or been told."

"Americans are used to him denying words that have come out of his mouth," the senior official writes. "Sometimes this is to avoid responsibility."

However, they say it often "appears Trump genuinely doesn't remember important facts."

http://www...e-house-insider-memory-1472661

just like we've heard from multiple sources & also witness for ourselves regularly...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Nov 30 17:24:45
Trump blames kargen for Khashoggi's murder
http://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1065631033700376576
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 02 00:47:50
"
“Donald Trump was framed back in 2016.” @MariaBartiromo
100% correct, Maria, and we can never let this happen to another president again!
"
~ shitbag


so, Fox News watchers, how are they saying Trump was framed?

that channel is our doom
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 02 12:46:34
"
“When the law enforcers turn out to be the law breakers, then we have totally upended the rule of law. Nobody is safe and everybody is in trouble. Our system of government is under attack. @GovMikeHuckabee
"


the executive branch is the law enforcer, so i guess Mike Huckabee has finally seen the light & is ripping into Trump... & Trump is admitting to being a criminal & a threat by tweeting it...

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 02 13:12:25
so Lisa Page decided to finally do an interview

http://www...ave-committed-any-crime-at-all

including:
“It’s almost impossible to describe” what it’s like, she told me. “It’s like being punched in the gut. My heart drops to my stomach when I realize he has tweeted about me again. The president of the United States is calling me names to the entire world. He’s demeaning me and my career. It’s sickening.”

“But it’s also very intimidating because he’s still the president of the United States. And when the president accuses you of treason by name, despite the fact that I know there’s no fathomable way that I have committed any crime at all, let alone treason, he’s still somebody in a position to actually do something about that. To try to further destroy my life. It never goes away or stops, even when he’s not publicly attacking me.”


so obviously Trump tweeted:
"
When Lisa Page, the lover of Peter Strzok, talks about being “crushed”, and how innocent she is, ask her to read Peter’s “Insurance Policy” text, to her, just in case Hillary loses. Also, why were the lovers text messages scrubbed after he left Mueller. Where are they Lisa?
"

there's no evidence of a corrupt motive from insurance policy text (and Page claims it was about how aggressively to investigate Russia claims, do they risk burning sources, etc... w/ Page saying go normally as polls showing Hillary likely to win, & Strzok saying they should be aggressive even though unlikely for Trump to win w/ the analogy "It's like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before 40")

& there's no corrupt scrubbing of messages

Trump spreading total misinformation, as ALWAYS
(& knowingly harassing a woman w/ that misinfo)

the IG report expected to clear her entirely, there never was anything suggesting she did anything wrong to begin with (other than baseless Trump claims)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 02 13:15:24
supposedly this presidential moment being what caused her to finally speak out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AigemYsHgm8&t=80

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 02 21:53:39
yet another ignorant Republican accepting Trump nonsense

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1201693019780657152

incredible & disturbing & saddening...

there is NOTHING needing investigated w/ respect to that server, NO ONE is seeking it (except Trump) and there is NO Ukraine connection so doubly stupid

yet this moron thinks Trump asking Zelensky to investigate it makes sense
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 03 17:05:29
"I think he's a maniac. I think _______ is a deranged human being. I think he grew up with a complex for lots of reasons that are obvious. I think he's a very sick man. And he lies."
~ someone projecting
jergul
large member
Tue Dec 03 17:29:21
"I don't watch the stock market."

I was watching the live ticker. The DOW fell 40 points immediately (it rebounded later)

Trump must have hurt its feelings.

Also. A lie.
Rugian
Member
Tue Dec 03 17:40:51
Maybe Chris Cuomo shouldn't be trying to "fact-check" other people, given his own massive credibility gap at the moment:

"Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., sued CNN for defamation on Tuesday, accusing the cable network of publishing a “demonstrably false hit piece” about him amid his high-profile opposition to the Trump impeachment inquiry.

The 47-page lawsuit, filed in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, accuses the liberal network of publishing “numerous egregiously false and defamatory” statements about Nunes on Nov. 22, 2019 when journalist Vicky Ward reported claims that Nunes met with Ukranian prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in Vienna in 2018 to dig "up dirt" on Hunter and Joe Biden.

Nunes, who has been leading GOP opposition to the House Democratic impeachment inquiry in the House Intelligence Committee, says he “did not go to Vienna or anywhere else in Austria in 2018” and “has never met” Shokin.

“CNN is the mother of fake news. It is the least trusted name. CNN is eroding the fabric of America, proselytizing, sowing distrust and disharmony. It must be held accountable,” the lawsuit, obtained by Fox News, states.

The suit also named Ward, the reporter who penned the piece in question, and “Cuomo Prime Time” namesake Chris Cuomo, who promoted the article.

“The ulterior purpose of the CNN Article is to advance the impeachment inquiry, to seed doubt in the minds of Americans, and to influence the outcome of the 2020 election,” the lawsuit says.

The suit mocks Cuomo for “having recently threatened to assault a man who referred to him as ‘Fredo,’ who Nunes claims also helped “disseminate the false and defamatory statements at issue in this case as part of a scheme to boost CNN’s ratings and further the House Democrats’ impeachment 'inquiry.'”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/devin-nunes-sues-cnn

As for Schiff...the motherfucker parroted a false Russian collusion narrative for two goddamn years. Fuck that bug-eyed cunt.
jergul
large member
Tue Dec 03 17:45:44
Filing a lawsuit makes your target automatically lose credibility?
Rugian
Member
Tue Dec 03 17:47:10
Cuomo hasn't been credible ever since he claimed that only the media can legally view leaked documents...this is just adding to the dogpile.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 03 19:03:26
look up Crowdstrike on your own

there is NOTHING to suggest it's Ukrainian this is not a difficult piece of knowledge to acquire

and Nunes is a piece of idiotic trash proven repeatedly... also possibly retarded (see any time he speaks)
American Democrat
Member
Tue Dec 03 19:48:55
"Cuomo hasn't been credible ever since he claimed that only the media can legally view leaked documents...this is just adding to the dogpile. "

And you're also an idiot who clearly doesn't understand case law, and Cuomo is an idiot for how he articulated. But if you read between the lines, he was correct, though the documents were illegal, they were not responsible or involved in obtaining the documents.

Bartnicki v. Vopper 2001
Pearson v Dodd, 410 F.2d 701 (D.C. Cir. 1969)
Rugian
Member
Tue Dec 03 20:40:55
Ooh, looks like we got ourselves a wannabe Johnny Cochran here. How exciting!

Listen Judge Judy, maybe next time you should hold off on throwing legal precedents around until you figure out what you're actually arguing against first. That would definitely help you to not look like a complete fool, unlike here where the damage is already done. ROFL

Rugian
Member
Tue Dec 03 20:44:50
And since your autistic ass is never going to figure out how exactly you massively screwed up here without someone explicitly pointing it out to you...

*hint* my problem with Cuomo wasn't over the fact that he said it was okay for the media to publish the documents *hint*
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 03 21:14:28
I believe Cuomo amended his comments after those Wikileaks docs but I don't care enough to look into it

multiple Rs pushing easily provable nonsense just because the idiot child prez believes it is totally fucked up

plus they tried to introduce black ledger/Chalupa shit to confuse things (as most know Trumps Crowdstrike info is nonsense) and apparently an R led committee already investigated those things and found nothing
(Given both were about Manafort being a criminal and he was in fact a criminal, plus Chalupa starting before the criminal was even part of the Trump campaign, it's not surprising they were nothing)

a cloud of bullshit to protect the spewer of bullshit
American Democrat
Member
Tue Dec 03 21:26:05
Wow, looks like someone is triggered because their beloved Trump is on the verge of impeachment.

Yes, yes, your critique was that the media has exclusiveness when it comes to such documents. Putting everything into context based upon what he said he wasn't wrong that the media can talk about it. And let us not ignore how another news agency with their pundits were being heavily critical and suggesting they were doing something illegally. But of course you would like to leave that little detail out.
American Democrat
Member
Tue Dec 03 21:29:59
"Filing a lawsuit makes your target automatically lose credibility?"

Only according to people like Rugian who want to ignore facts.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 03 21:31:19
also of note is our idiot child prez is over in Europe attending some NATO thing (& adding absolutely nothing i'm sure based on every interaction we've ever witnessed) and he STILL doesn't understand simple NATO funding concepts

he was asked if we would follow our obligations if a country who wasn't spending the 2% was in need & he wavered, not sure if he answered, but he AGAIN brought up the idea of what they owe from not meeting the 2% in the past... THIS IS NONSENSE... they owe no one

the goal is to spend 2% on their own military... there is no owing to anyone...


he is so absurdly unfit, as i have noted repeatedly... why in the hell do people put up with it...
American Democrat
Member
Tue Dec 03 21:41:49
Of course adding on the fact that he lies about the smallest things. For example, he said he doesn't know Prince Andrew. Except for the fact that they've only known and interacted for 20 plus years.

But no worries, people like Rugian thinks Trumpis honest and truthful, but people like Cuomo who said something stupid are he real problem.
jergul
large member
Wed Dec 04 01:17:11
He used the term delinquint (sp) on payments repeatedly.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 04 02:08:48
some of the idiocy:

“And, you know it also depends on what your definition of delinquent is. For instance, if you have a country that’s paying only 1 percent, you have somebody that is paying less than 1 percent and they shouldn’t be, you have some paying less than 1 percent and they’re wealthy countries on top of everything,” the president told reporters.

“Now we go to a new year and they don’t pay and now we go to yet another year and they don’t pay, well, now I ask you, do they have to pay for the back years? Now, so why is it that they owe us for this year but every time a new year comes out, they don’t have to pay? It’s wrong. It’s not right,” the president continued.

He then suggested that NATO members could have to pay for what he called 25 years of inadequate defense spending — except for Canada.

“I could say that you could go back 25 years, I won’t do that with Canada, of course, but, no, but you could go back, you know, right from the beginning. Where they were short of whatever goal it was at the time, it’s 2 percent now. Two percent is very low. It should be 4 percent.”

Germany in particular, he added, could owe the US “billions of dollars.”

“I mean they really owe all that money from the past. That’s the way I look at it. If Germany as an example is paying 1 percent and they’re supposed to be paying 2 percent, you’re talking about billions of dollars,” Trump contended.

http://nyp...ending-delinquent-nato-allies/
----

also note the 4% figure he pulled out of his ass... the US doesn't even hit that w/ our ridiculous amount of spending, so he wants to hike our spending substantially higher i guess


a total idiot, that ~30% of the public just accepts as normal

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 04 02:23:48
back to Nunes' bullshit lawsuit, some text:

“It was obvious to everyone – including disgraceful CNN – that Parnas was a fraudster and a hustler. It was obvious that his lies were part of a thinly-veiled attempt to obstruct justice and to trick either the United States Attorney or House Intelligence Committee Chairman, Adam Schiff, into offering ‘immunity’ in return for ‘information’ about Plaintiff"

that fraudster & hustler is Giuliani's best friend & is in numerous photos w/ Trump & here he is having a meal w/ Don 'Collusion' Jr.:

http://www...BUCZIVUQ35GXRASRB4FSVO3QRA.jpg

and there are phone records between that fraudster/hustler & fraudster/hustler Nunes himself...

plus CNN asked Nunes for comment before running the story & he declined, tough shit

reporting the claims of questionable characters is mandatory under Trump as everyone he associates w/ is garbage
kargen
Member
Wed Dec 04 02:49:50
We have phone logs and know some people talked to other people!

What did they talk about?

We don't know but they are all guilty of treason.
American Democrat
Member
Wed Dec 04 05:12:26
Exactly, any investigation should ignore details of potential implications that may cross lines, including ethical one, of an federally indicted individual that had close ties to the Trump administration and key other associates.

No doubt in the current investigation about the President who may have used the office for his own political gain in an attempt to guise it as an "investigation on corruption" where it interestingly enough wanted to focus on the Bidens where there isn't any evidence of wrongdoing.

Yes, those logs of a person who is on the panel who is a complete stooge for Trump just as his 'personal lawyer' being used to conduct US official policy which in itself is a violation FARA which also in turn possibly forced violations of the hatch act as well.

But yes, let's not worry about such details. 'Everything is perfect.'
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