Utopia Talk / Politics / FB censors Eric Ciaramella references

Rugian Member	Sun Nov 10 09:57:16 Facebook scrubbing 'any and all mentions' of alleged whistleblower Eric Ciaramella by John Gage | November 08, 2019 04:06 PM Facebook announced it would be erasing any reference to the alleged whistleblower Eric Ciaramella from its platform because it violates its terms of service. "Any mention of the potential whistleblower's name violates our coordinating harm policy, which prohibits content 'outing of witness, informant, or activists,'" a representative said in a statement Friday. "We are removing any and all mentions of the potential whistleblower's name and will revisit this decision should their name be widely published in the media or used by public figures in debate." Ciaramella has been reported as the whistleblower by several media outlets and elected officials. Facebook had accepted ad campaigns Thursday that featured Ciaramella's name until BuzzFeed News got the platform to take them down. The company then announced they would be banning any naming of the rumored whistleblower. As a career CIA analyst, Ciaramella, 33, was on the National Security Council as the Ukraine director during the Obama administration. He stayed on for the early part of the Trump administration, during which he was the acting senior director for European and Russian affairs for a short period. The Washington Examiner reported on Nov. 6 that he is now a deputy national intelligence officer for Russia and Eurasia on the National Intelligence Council, reporting to the director of national intelligence. http://www...blowers-name-from-the-platform The Deep State protects its own.
Rugian Member	Sun Nov 10 10:05:03 Of course, it is completely ridiculous that social media sites can be used to spread the potential identity of whistleblowers. That job should be left to establishment media companies such as the Washington Post, which was the one responsible for blowing Valerie Plame's cover. These drives to censor social media are nothing more than an attempt by legacy media and the federal government to reassert their long-lost control over the flow of information to the American people. Anyone who believes in freedom of speech needs to oppose this drive resolutely.
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Rugian Member	Sun Nov 10 10:14:50 Whoa
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 10:21:45 "That job should be left to establishment media companies such as the Washington Post, which was the one responsible for blowing Valerie Plame's cover." You mean where the Bush Administration happen to leak the information to a conservative columnist, Robert Novak, that happen to work for Washington Post. Let's now hold back any insinuations that the WP is such a liberal conscript of democratic propaganda. Oh dear me.
Rugian Member	Sun Nov 10 10:28:28 1) Newspapers change over time. 2) Bezos bought the WaPo in 2013. 3) Novak no longer contributes to WaPo by virtue of being dead, and I bet you'd have trouble coming up with a list of current conservative contributors that stacks up numerically with the paper's Democratic contributors. 4) Seriously, using the Plame affair to claim that 2019 WaPo isn't a total shill for Democratic propaganda is fucking retarded. But then again, it's coming from a HOer troll who has no interest in honest political argument, so...
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 10:47:32 "1) Newspapers change over time." Yes, but your insinuation was notably marked. "2) Bezos bought the WaPo in 2013." Yet, you reference an instance prior to purchase pushing an insinuation. "3) Novak no longer contributes to WaPo by virtue of being dead, and I bet you'd have trouble coming up with a list of current conservative contributors that stacks up numerically with the paper's Democratic contributors." Hey, you wanted to point out the nefarious actions of a paper in an attempt to paint them as this big ultra liberal propaganda machine to enforce a point about releasing information in connection to Facebook to display their contradictions where in reality it was done by conservatives. "4) Seriously, using the Plame affair to claim that 2019 WaPo isn't a total shill for Democratic propaganda is fucking retarded. But then again, it's coming from a HOer troll who has no interest in honest political argument, so..." You brought it up about Plame, again in an attempt, to show it was the liberals who leaked it. I was just pointing out facts. But I know you hate such things because you do nothing but suck Trump's cock, so...
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 10:53:11 Oh and let us not ignore the conservatives again leaking information about an identity, as Morrisette would say, isn't it ironic, don't you think.
Rugian Member	Sun Nov 10 10:55:43 Plame is old news. What has not changed since then, however, is the mentality that established media organizations should be allowed to have some sort of special discretionary power over the flow of information that the general public does not. "CHRIS CUOMO, CNN: Remember, it is illegal to possess these stolen documents. It is different from the media. So everything you learn about this, you are learning from us." Put it this way, the Washington Post and other organizations absolutely believe they have the power to release Ciaramella's name to the public if they so choose, but as long as they don't, no one else should be able to either. Because they didn't greenlight it first, and after all, they control what information the general public gets to see, not us lowly normal people.
Rugian Member	Sun Nov 10 10:58:28 It's almost like issues are complex things that can be looked at differently depending on what aspect you're analyzing. Plame is still relevant for discussing the elitist mentality of establishment media. It is not still relevant for discussing the current ideological bent of the Washington Post. Are you able to grasp that concept, or should I try using smaller words?
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 10:58:33 "Plame is old news." That you brought up in response to Facebook's actions. "What has not changed since then, however, is the mentality that established media organizations should be allowed to have some sort of special discretionary power over the flow of information that the general public does not." I agree. "Put it this way, the Washington Post and other organizations absolutely believe they have the power to release Ciaramella's name to the public if they so choose, but as long as they don't, no one else should be able to either. Because they didn't greenlight it first, and after all, they control what information the general public gets to see, not us lowly normal people." Facebook is not a news organization, therefore their restrictions of information solely is a private business decision.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 11:00:21 "It's almost like issues are complex things that can be looked at differently depending on what aspect you're analyzing." It's almost like I am calling your bias out and you have a hard time dealing with it. "Plame is still relevant for discussing the elitist mentality of establishment media. It is not still relevant for discussing the current ideological bent of the Washington Post." Relevant to you to bring up as you target an organization again pushing your bias and the insinuation "doh libruls did it agin!" "Are you able to grasp that concept, or should I try using smaller words?" Should I speak in 'cock' for you, would it make it easier for you to understand?
Rugian Member	Sun Nov 10 11:17:52 Jesus, are you going heavy on the F5 jamming, or what. " That you brought up in response to Facebook's actions. " Because aspects of it are still relevant here, yes. As I've explained. "I agree." With my assertion, or the media's? "Facebook is not a news organization, therefore their restrictions of information solely is a private business decision." That's not the argument that the people leading the charge in censoring Facebook are pushing (something like, what, 2/3rds of FB users get their news on that site)? "It's almost like I am calling your bias out and you have a hard time dealing with it." What fucking bias? My bias against scumbag organizations like WaPo and establishment media? No need to "call me out" on that bias, I wear it gladly.
obaminated Member	Sun Nov 10 11:27:49 What a surprise, the boy with the emotional maturity of a teenager is defending censorship. Fucking predictable dork.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 11:28:10 "Because aspects of it are still relevant here, yes. As I've explained." I just don't agree. Especially since Facebook operations completely differently. If they were a newspaper organization, then I would see your point, but they are not, so they can do as they please in regards to stifling whatever information. "With my assertion, or the media's?" Yours. "That's not the argument that the people leading the charge in censoring Facebook are pushing (something like, what, 2/3rds of FB users get their news on that site)?" Which is sad, considering the piss poor attempt of lack of verifying facts. However, it isn't so much the news, its more, I argue memes that skew a perspective which falls more in line of their own bias and then disregarding the actual facts that exist. "What fucking bias? My bias against scumbag organizations like WaPo and establishment media? No need to "call me out" on that bias, I wear it gladly." Let me guess, you get your news from facebook?
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 11:31:43 "What a surprise, the boy with the emotional maturity of a teenager is defending censorship. Fucking predictable dork." Oh look it is the retard. Who has trouble still do this day spelling his own name, but should be busy enough in the few hours to get his route completed. He will still complain that he didn't receive any tips. Again an astounding intellect that he gathers in some way that I am a supporter of "censorship." It's like from the other thread where he inferred that I claimed he wrote an article, being unable to grasp such intricacies like, critical thinking.
obaminated Member	Sun Nov 10 11:35:23 Lol, you arent worth debating and I regret rugian or anyone else gives you the attention immature contrarians like you clearly crave. I am however please that you have stopped insulting my illustrious career as a pizza delivery man.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 11:40:20 Mtard, Have you ever once debated on this board? I mean given the history, especially in the last few years or so, you haven't actually had a debate. You've interjected one-liners that amuse yourself and no one else. Yet you have the audacity to say that you will not debate. And while we are on the topic of "immaturity" as you brought up. I've lost count and I am sure others have to with your incessant whining and flaming about either Seb, Dukhat's, and others livelihoods. Either cuck jokes regarding their spouses and what not. Please spare me your drivel about "maturity." You fucking retard.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 11:41:56 And it is sad that to this day you are still a pizza delivery driver. If it wasn't for your mom's allowance for you to stay, who knows how else you would have ended up?
delude Member	Sun Nov 10 11:49:48 Hot Rod's basement.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 11:50:23 Welp! You win.
obaminated Member	Sun Nov 10 11:57:13 Emotionally immature 40 year old behaves emotionally immature when called out on it. I debate the reality of sex in the work place, ask hood. And lastly I'm quite proud I correctly deduced that cuckhats meltdowns were due to his wife leaving him.
obaminated Member	Sun Nov 10 11:58:54 I would normally not make fun of a marital breakdown, but cuckhat is such an obnoxious ass (like you). So when I insult cuckhat, or you, it's not playfully, its flatly insulting you because you guys are legit shitheads.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 12:00:06 So in other words, you contribute nothing. And I am sure hood would considering any contribution by you to any thread the concept of a debate. Again, this whole projection thing you've got going on? Doing you justice. But, who is the known retard on this board with handles that still mock him to this current day? That would be you and I wonder why?
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 12:00:51 *would consider any contribution by you to any thread is hardly considered the concept of a debate.
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Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 12:06:23 ^case in point.
obaminated Member	Sun Nov 10 12:09:55 The fact that you think a handle means anything pretty much proves how emotionally stunted you are. I made a bet. I lost that bet. I dont really care to figure out my old password for my old handle because it really doesnt mean anything to me or anyone else. Just you.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 12:14:46 That makes no sense retard. It's to hilariously point out that you are mocked for a specific reason because you say stupid and retarded shit and for it to follow you as long as it has, it a history of you being known as a retard is pretty remarkable in the longevity of it's establishment. I understand it must be hard for you and I know how hard you've been pressing this whole "emotional" thing, but honestly, it's pure projection and just like how you claimed 'you figured out cuckhats issues' maybe soon with your whole projection it will come into fruition of what is ailing you for all this time. I suspect that you have finally realized that your only profession is being a pizza delivery guy is it. But not all can live successful, fulfilling lives, which explains your disposition. Sorry not sorry.
obaminated Member	Sun Nov 10 12:20:43 The irony of being called a retard in a run on sentence filled with grammatical errors. But hey. I'm just a world famous pizza delivery guy, I can barely write. I'm definitely projecting.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 12:27:30 For you to resort to point out any grammatical errors and such to demonstrate it as a measure of intelligence really shows the desperation you have. Yes, by all means you are a retard and again another demonstration of it is at hand. If I were going to attacking your retardation alone based upon your typing, we will be here for quite sometime, but this is just another attempt for you to avoid what is the obvious. You're a retard and a failure in life. :)
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 12:28:26 *If I were to stoop to attacking...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Nov 10 12:30:20 what have you people learned about Eric Ciaramella that changes the facts of the Ukraine shakedown story? what questions would the R's ask him in testimony that would change the facts of the Ukraine shakedown story?
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 12:31:44 Honestly nothing would change. The R's would cry 'witch hunt' and the D's would cry 'we got you!' And the retard would be typing in his gps coordinates and still get lost.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 12:35:29 But I will tag on though, because of the bullshit that Trump has put out for the duration of his presidency and prior. It is well established that his followers, including the ones on this here forum, see no wrong he has done and refuse to call it out. AND if they were to call it out it would only last but a mere second as they overlook it and perpetuate the swampy cycle that they have been so critical of.
obaminated Member	Sun Nov 10 12:44:05 How exactly would one get lost by typing in their own GPS coordinates? Dont you mean I'd take in the GPS coordinates I'd want to go to and despite that herculean effort (for a retard) I'd still get lost. Also, as a retard who perpetually gets lost, it's amazing I have kept my pizza delivery man job.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 10 12:59:09 Yes people are sensitive to retards. Just think how it would look in the papers if a retard gets fired. You have a special status. Hang on to it. The subject isn't your GPS coordinates, it's the action of typing in coordinates that you were possessing.
obaminated Member	Sun Nov 10 13:33:08 You see that key part of your insult wasnt made very clear. But what do I know? I'm a retarded pizza delivery guy who gets perpetually lost and who also happens to have incredible job security.
obaminated Member	Sun Nov 10 13:33:36 I also make great tips.
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