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obaminated
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Sun Nov 10 12:28:12
But not in the fun way, also, of course it is an angry black woman beating on a special needs kid.
http://www...-brutally-beating-student.html
Dickhead UPer
Member
Sun Nov 10 12:29:38
Well, I am sure this this is a very sensitive subject for you. Special needs and all.
obaminated
Member
Sun Nov 10 12:31:45
Well I guess you could I'm against adults beating on kids and sending them to the hospital. But as usual you take the contrarian side because you seek attention.
Dickhead UPer
Member
Sun Nov 10 12:32:36
Kinda like the whole "rape" thing you did the other day? Please retard, settle down on this whole house of glass thing.
obaminated
Member
Sun Nov 10 12:46:37
One of us makes a joke about rape which every understands to be a joke. The other is pretty much regarded as an annoying prick by people on both the left and the right. Because he does what he is doing now. Just a anon seeking attention by being contrarian.
Dickhead UPer
Member
Sun Nov 10 12:51:36
So rape is a joke. And calling out a sensitive subject related to your plight is contrarian. And you wonder why you're being called a retard.
obaminated
Member
Sun Nov 10 13:31:38
Yes. I clearly think rape is a joke. You imbecile. I wish you were witty, this banter would be fun rather than tedious. But alas. You are an attention seeker who happens to be a total imbecile.
smart dude
Member
Mon Nov 11 01:25:50
Watched the video. Damn that white kid got a pretty heavy dose of cultural enrichment.
patom
Member
Mon Nov 11 08:50:39
Since I refuse to take down my ad blocker, I can't view this. I'm assuming that it only shows the point where the teacher starts pounding on the kid. None of these ever show what led up to the event.
Maybe it is time to let robots take over the teaching of kids. They never lose their composure when dealing with problems or problem children. Can't be manipulated or pushed to the point where they go rogue.
TJ
Member
Mon Nov 11 09:12:08
Tom, I'm fairly certain you wouldn't approve of what happened in that video.
patom
Member
Mon Nov 11 09:29:40
Probably not. But you are dealing with humans beings and there is a limit to what any individual can take.
I highly doubt that this teacher just blindly took this action. Of course we'll never see what led up to the point where she snapped.
TJ
Member
Mon Nov 11 09:32:45
No need to see what happened before the attack. That teacher should never be allowed to step into another classroom.
patom
Member
Mon Nov 11 09:39:10
True. She should have just left the classroom if the pressure was getting too much. I went to another site and watched it.

I'm still curious as to what was the straw that broke the camels back.

They did say the student has epilepsy. I know people with epilepsy and have dealt with them. None of their actions would lead me to beat them.
TJ
Member
Mon Nov 11 09:47:34
What would have happened to you if you were recorded beating an adult prisoner similar to that in the video and it became public?
patom
Member
Mon Nov 11 11:04:54
I would have been fired. Of course I was a mere CO. I did witness a couple of incidents when supervisors lost it after much goading. Of course we were equipped with some awful nasty pepper spray (2 million shu's) that would bring things somewhat under control. I doubt that teachers would be allowed to use that stuff.

Good thing this teacher wasn't carrying a gun ;)
obaminated
Member
Mon Nov 11 11:33:11
Come on tom, the teacher sent a 16 year old kid to the hospital. Doesnt matter how goaded you get by an annoying teenager. You dont do that to a student kid.
patom
Member
Mon Nov 11 11:59:35
Not condoning her at all. Just pointing out that sometimes when you poke the wrong hornets nest you may regret it. We have no idea what happened prior to the video. What happened is regrettable. This teacher will never get a job again and rightly so. At least teaching children. There goes a college degree down the drain.
TJ
Member
Mon Nov 11 12:12:44
According to the remarks section the student slapped the teacher. It doesn't say why. Poking a hornets nest remark seems appropriate. It obviously triggered existing problems the substitute teacher was dealing with in her personal life. She is an alleged domestic abuser. Makes one wonder if she had been vetted. She clearly is an unstable person.
Paramount
Member
Mon Nov 11 12:19:09
” I'm still curious as to what was the straw that broke the camels back.

They did say the student has epilepsy. ”


I haven’t watched the video so I don’t know what this is all about. But maybe the teacher didn’t know what epilepsy is. Maybe she thought he was turning into a zombie and was going to attack her, so she beated the shit out of the kid. Things like this can happen because people does not recognize medical conditions. I saw a video on twitter a month ago or something, where an older man sat in his car and had suffered from a stroke or something. Someone called the cops and reported him saying there was a sleeping man in a car. The cop arrives, but the old man couldn’t move and had difficulties to talk, because of the stroke or whatever it was. It ends with the cop dragging the old man out of his car and beating the shit out of him when he is laying on the ground and is unable to move.
hood
Member
Mon Nov 11 12:21:04
Unpopular opinion: if you start something physical (per TJ's comment about the student allegedly slapping the teacher), the repercussions are on you. Both student and teacher should be receiving discipline and legal action (again, if TJ is correct about the student's action).
TJ
Member
Mon Nov 11 12:32:57
I don't know if the comment statement is true or not, but I'm sure it will all be sorted out eventually.
obaminated
Member
Mon Nov 11 12:36:32
Come on hood, dont be like dickhead and just assume the contrarian opinion. Maybe the kid slapped the teacher. It's a kid. The appropriate action, if that is true, is to take the kid to the administration. But it's a special needs kid. You dont need to beat the kid senseless. It isnt an equal blame game situation.
hood
Member
Mon Nov 11 12:54:59
Epilepsy is not a mental health disorder. There is no special needs from a "this person cannot handle life or their emotions like a regular person" perspective. She just had epilepsy.

I also pretty clearly didn't suggest that the teacher was blameless. If, say, the teacher's response was to slap the student back (and not beat the shit out of her), I'd almost argue that the teacher shouldn't have been punished.


Also, video evidence is pretty clear that the kid slapped the teacher. OP article states it. She didn't deserve a hospital, but battery is battery and the kid should be facing (lesser) punishment as well
hood
Member
Mon Nov 11 12:56:30
I should clarify:

Epilepsy isn't a mental health disorder that affects personality. It should be obvious from context what I meant, but someone will surely point out that epilepsy is a brain thing. Yes, it is. But it doesn't affect personality.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Mon Nov 11 13:47:41
"If, say, the teacher's response was to slap the student back (and not beat the shit out of her), I'd almost argue that the teacher shouldn't have been punished."

No. Just no. ffs
Forwyn
Member
Mon Nov 11 14:01:20
Boohoo. 16 year olds have fought in wars since time immemorial.

Certainly old enough to get shot by some cop without a peep. Don't throw hands unless you want them in return. Goes for women, too.
obaminated
Member
Mon Nov 11 14:13:04
Haha hood legit is arguing if a kid hits you it is okay to hit them back. You are at dickhead levels of imbecility.
hood
Member
Mon Nov 11 14:15:16
16 year olds know better than to assault people. If their hands flail, they should receive due punishment.

If we were talking about preteens, this would be a completely different conversation.
obaminated
Member
Mon Nov 11 14:19:32
Yah you dont need to explain your argument anymore. We all understand your position.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Nov 11 14:27:21
I mean, that's legit though. An eighth grader? Yeah.

But a 16 year old dude? This is when kids are playing football and running around filming the knockout game. They're certainly capable of squaring up against adults, especially women
hood
Member
Mon Nov 11 14:32:54
To be fair, forwyn, this was a female teacher beating the shit out of a female student. Bringing up football isn't pertinent to this specific case.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Nov 11 14:54:50
Oh, it was a girl? lulz, whoops. Looked like a guy in the grainy vid
Forwyn
Member
Mon Nov 11 14:59:55
Guess that's just me discriminating against hoodies
patom
Member
Mon Nov 11 15:20:39
The last HS I was thrown out of was just before my 17th birthday. I fell asleep in class and the teacher grabbed my ear. I came up swinging but never connected. At that time I was 6' and 230 lb. With some anger issues. 2 months later I was in the Navy.
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Nov 11 21:11:10
Slightly more video here:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?t=aanwU_1573332311
It shows the student slapping, but that slap is preceded by the teacher grabbing the student by the collar area, so it may not be fair to call the slap an initiating contact. It also looks like the teacher starts punching from the right side (student's left), whereas in the other video she's punching on the left side (student's right). So the timeline looks like this:
- Teacher is leaning over and grabbing the student
- Student slaps the teacher
- Teacher rains punches
- Teacher walks around the desk to the other side (to have more open space for hitting? Maybe she felt that her left hooks weren't strong enough and wanted space for right hooks?)
- Teacher starts hitting again, throws student, kicks student in the back of the head

Teachers aren't supposed to get physical with students in the first place (putting their hands on a student), so that was a bad idea from the start. Usually the policy is to call the office to have problem students removed. And if a student hits, there's not supposed to be direct retaliation — once again, teachers must call the office to have the student removed. There's no scenario here where the teacher isn't in the wrong — "provoked" or not. It also tells a big part of the story that this teacher couldn't last two months (and only 18 class days) in her job before lashing out.
smart dude
Member
Mon Nov 11 21:16:07
To retards defending the "teacher."

Even if the student slaps you, you don't body slam them and stop on their head when they're lying on the floor. And then walk back and triumphantly gesture over the kid like it's the fucking WWF.
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Nov 11 21:30:53
"body slam them and stop on their head when they're lying on the floor"

In bird culture, this is considered a dick move.
Also, it's weird how people will make the move to strike someone who's already down. I've said it a bunch of times now, but that's how you move from assault to murder or attempted murder. At the very least, it let the girl's family get a neurologist to claim brain damage, which means a hefty civil suit.

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[Me]: "Teacher walks around the desk to the other side"

Oops! I forgot to check to see if the video was flipped.. peeps do that to avoid copyright issues. Both videos were the same side of the student (notice by the location of the colored folders). So it's one sequential act with no walking around for better positioning.
hood
Member
Mon Nov 11 21:39:26
"you don't body slam them and stop on their head when they're lying on the floor."

I don't think anyone's actually condoned the extreme overreaction from the teacher.
obaminated
Member
Mon Nov 11 22:12:21
Hood, you legit said the kid started it and that you are fine hitting a kid if they hit you first.

Even I, a serial rapist, find hitting children to be distasteful.
hood
Member
Mon Nov 11 22:53:43
What I actually said is that the kid brought her beating onto her self by slapping her teacher, and that the kid should receive punishment (for battery) as well (the as well part implying that I believe the teacher should receive punishment).

It's not all that hard to parse when you can understand words.
obaminated
Member
Mon Nov 11 23:00:31
A woman being raped brings it on herself when she wears make up and a skirt.
hood
Member
Mon Nov 11 23:04:27
Your analogy is severely lacking. Were you not so retarded, you'd have realized it before uttering such nonsense.
obaminated
Member
Mon Nov 11 23:06:43
You legit said you dont think someone who hits a kid should face punishment for it. And you call me a retard. You are dickhead levels of just desperate attention seeking/contrarianism.
obaminated
Member
Mon Nov 11 23:08:11
We get it you two, you need to stand out and you dont care how fucking weird your positions are to do it. Like cool man. No one takes you serious anymore.
hood
Member
Tue Nov 12 00:14:17
I legit never said such a thing, and I request you stop spreading such libel. You have the reading comprehension of a 5 year old.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Nov 12 05:19:42
>>you legit said the kid started it and that you are fine hitting a kid if they hit you first.<<

In principle, an eye for an eye. This was not that.

The law allows for self-defence. If you remember, a while back, a kid was shot to death by some fat fuck named Zimmerman who who was playing rent-a-cop. Shot to death. You among others were making the case for how lethally dangerous teen age boys could be. The fact that Hood is arguing a slap for a slap, should not register for someone. Fake outrage over a hypothetical is silly.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Nov 12 05:20:22
someone = you
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Nov 12 07:06:17
That's an apples and oranges situation if I've ever seen one ;)

A 5'11" teenage boy jumping on top of and beating a 5'7" fat man — to the extent that the fat man had bruises and bleeding on his nose from the strikes and on the back of his head from hits to the sidewalk — until the fat man retaliates by pulling out a firearm and firing a single shot in a neighborhood at night is a little different than a school teacher grabbing a student in a classroom, provoking a slap, and then pummeling that student. In clearer terms, while the law certainly allows for self defense, in a school setting, teachers are obligated to avoid physical contact and instead call the head office if a student becomes unruly or physical. "Defense" does not apply to students verbally getting under a teacher's skin such that the teacher grabs the student by the collar for corporal punishment. So, ironically for the Martin/Zimmerman example, the teacher would be more of a Trayvon Martin in this case (an initiating attacker who took things to the ground), but the student was not an armed Zimmerman. Good thing for the student, because I'm pretty sure kids aren't allowed to carry weapons on school property.
obaminated
Member
Tue Nov 12 09:39:06
That was a weird comparison, Nim.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Nov 12 09:40:18
If Zimmerman had climbed to his feet and then shot Martin in the back of the head on the ground you might have something of an equivalency.

Teacher might be in the clear if not for the stomp, although it was undoubtedly satisfying
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Nov 12 11:49:48
Since we are talking about a hypothetical situation where a kid slaps you and you slap the kid back, it is comparable to a situation where you are attacked by whatever monstrous size teen you can imagine and you end up killing them with a gun. An eye for an eye. Self-defense.

It was mentioned that the kid has slapped the teacher.

Yes in principle I think it is OK to slap a 15 year old who slapped you. I would even empathize with you if you happened to be a teacher, but still think you should be fired. Cunt don't magically turn into cunts at 18.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Nov 12 12:28:10
Yes, if she had swung back a time or three, I think most would still support her firing, but probably not charges - certainly not aggravated assault, a felony. She certainly escalated far beyond the level of aggression displayed to her.
patom
Member
Tue Nov 12 14:37:15
Don't know about you forwyn but when I was young and still fighting or ready for a fight, when I started swinging you either stopped me or I kicked ass. If you punched me in the face and didn't knock me out you best be prepared to keep on punching or be the recipient of as many as I could bring to you.

This woman teacher obviously snapped and returned a bomb when her fuse was lit.

Too many kids today, know or think that they can tell teachers to go fuck themselves and nothing will happen to them.

The teachers are trying to make tenure and if they show that they can't take it they won't be brought back. So many of them bite their tongue and take the bullshit. The only method of control in the classroom seems to be have the student diagnosed with ADHD or one of the other alphabet conditions that require them to be drugged with mood altering drugs.

Surprised this situation doesn't occur on a daily basis.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Nov 12 15:03:17
That's fine. When they fall face down you've obviously kicked ass.

As I said, it might be satisfying to drop that final "fuck you" stomp, but prosecutors aren't going to look kindly on it.
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Nov 12 15:56:37
“but when I was young and still fighting or ready for a fight, when I started swinging you either stopped me or I kicked ass”

That sounds a lot like this teacher; she wasn’t ready to stop until a 16-year-old kid was semiconscious on the floor.

..
“Surprised this situation doesn't occur on a daily basis.“

Yeah, luckily even public schools don’t hire lunatics with so little self control that they can’t last three months and attack students who say mean things.

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“The only method of control in the classroom seems to be have the student diagnosed with ADHD or one of the other alphabet conditions that require them to be drugged with mood altering drugs.”

That, and to call the front office to have a problem student removed. It takes about 5 seconds. Repeat offenders end up in a quadcon in the parking lot, taking all of their classes from police officers and gym coaches.
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