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Habebe
Member
Mon Nov 25 02:27:47
Its official, I just got an add for him running for president.

Probablynthe best chance for the dems vs Trump.
Paramount
Member
Thu Nov 28 10:32:36
It may be good that he is not a part of the political establishment, since it seems be a trend to hate the establishment right now. He is a businessman like Trump, right? Except that he is actually a real and a more successful businessman, right?

Where does he stand politically though? He has been with R and the Dems. Can he be trusted?

Looking at his wikipedia it says that his grandfather was an immigrant from Russia. Trump maybe have connections to/in Russia, but Bloomberg has his roots in Russia.
yankeessuck123
Member
Thu Nov 28 11:37:01
Choosing the pro-big business moderate failed in 2016, why on earth would it succeed now?
Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Thu Nov 28 13:32:43
I guess he'd be one of the better billionaires.
obaminated
Member
Thu Nov 28 14:29:33
He only pissed away several hundred million dollars to get in the race. What a fucking prick.
kargen
Member
Thu Nov 28 14:50:30
A theory being tossed about by some conservative sites is he is only running to get around campaign contribution caps. If he is running for president he can spend all the money he wants blasting President Trump.
I'm thinking he is delusional and thinks he is popular outside his immediate neighborhood. I'm pretty sure he could blast President Trump spending all he wanted without entering the race.
Dukhat
Member
Thu Nov 28 22:55:05
HaBeBe thinks that Bloomberg is the best chance the dems have.

Ok Boomer.
jergul
large member
Thu Nov 28 23:05:07
He would help on a VP ticket I think.
obaminated
Member
Thu Nov 28 23:48:38
He spent hundreds of millions of his own money to become president, no one will vote for him and he will get blasted by other candidates for doing that. He has no chance.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 29 00:13:37
Obam
Then what is he doing?
obaminated
Member
Fri Nov 29 00:16:01
He is very out of touch. He doesn't interact with the average american like trump did prior to running for pres.
Habebe
Member
Fri Nov 29 00:25:15
Duktat,

1. How old do you think I Am?

2. Right now the only likeable candidate the dems have is Bernie.

And hes likeable but the in a way like the retarded kid in school os likeable.Yeah a few girls might dance with him at Prom but theyre not going home with him.

obaminated
Member
Fri Nov 29 00:27:37
That was a great description of Bernie.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 29 00:43:48
hababe
I'll give it a go: 36. Perhaps a bit younger.

Obam
He spent 200 million getting in touch. Let me ask again: What do you think he is doing?

obaminated
Member
Fri Nov 29 01:11:54
You don't understand English well enough and I don't care to teach you, a Norwegian, English jargon to talk about American politics. Sorry.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 29 01:17:40
Obam
Thats ok. I did not really think your perspectives would have much value.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 29 01:33:28
Anyway, I think Bloomberg wants the democrats to win. So how does he think his participation will contribute to that?

Signal politics is one aspect. His joining the democratic camp indicates the democrats will be outspending the GOP next election cycle. This could impact on how other major contributors decide to allocate funding.

Secondly, Bloomberg can completely destroy Trump's hold on "Running the US like a business". But that depends on Bloomberg being on the ticket.

Third, Bloomberg can run interferance for a different candidate in the debates. For example by better allowing Biden (or whoever) to be statesmanlike as Bloomberg takes the hits and makes the blows for corporate democrats.

Finally, with enough support, Bloomberg can leverage potential delegates into a vp slot on a democratic ticket.

It seems like a plan.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 29 01:42:27
http://www.fec.gov/data/elections/president/2020/

Its not entirely fair, but democratic candidates for the president race have in total raised more than twice what Trump has.

This is including september and is before Bloomberg entered the race.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 29 01:49:17
http://www...th-super-tuesday-ad-blitz.html

lol, Bloomberg is spending 2/3ds of what Trump has raised in total so far on attack adds on Trump.

We will see how much money matters, but the GOP is looking at being heavily outspent everywhere.
Habebe
Member
Fri Nov 29 01:57:35
Jer, I don't think that counts end and and funding though.

Back in october Trump/end had way more than the dems.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2019/10/21/trump-money-democrats-2020-election-050962
Habebe
Member
Fri Nov 29 01:59:06
Well, actually october didn't coumt in Bloomberg.....the Koch Bros are goimg to have to dig deep perhaps.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 29 02:07:28
Habebe
He has way, way less than the democrats in total.

Not entirely fair as I said, but money is flowing far faster into the democratic camp than into the president's.

It did during the 2016 cycle too (sum up democratic and GOP candidates to see).

Trump and the GOP will be outspent. The only question is by how much.

Bloomberg has donated a total of 1.1 billion to John Hopkins University.

This as reference to how deep his pockets can be if he cares about something.

He will not be accepting campaign donations btw. So will not be syphoning off money from other democratic campaigns.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 29 02:07:55
Koch brother.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 29 02:09:59
In June 2019, the Charles Koch Foundation announced the foundation of anti-war think tank Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, cosponsored by George Soros’ Open Society Foundation.[67]

You sure he wants to spend his money on Trump?
Habebe
Member
Fri Nov 29 02:44:49
Not that its really a big deal either way as money spent rarely ensures an election....but comparing individual candidates with out adding the rnc and dnc doesn't make sense.

How well do you know the Koch Bros?
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 29 02:55:14
I know them well enough to know there is only one of them.
Habebe
Member
Fri Nov 29 03:27:12
Cause one just died...w/e...even after the other one dies I'll still refer to them as the koch bros. ( meaning the institution)

Kinda the same way I grew up with Flexers ( mom n pop shop) and even though it's been called old towne convienence for 20 years....everyone still calls it Flexers.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 29 03:30:06
http://www...false&is_active_candidate=true

Mark Kelly (D) 14 million
Martha Mcsally (R) 8.5 million
Currently held by R
Status: toss-up

The problem with money is that is does impact on results.

The problem with Trump is that the more likely it is that he will win, the easier it is for democrats to raise money to flip the Senate.

While ideally, he will be a 1-term president, the 2nd option is for him to be a lame duck president in his second term.
TJ
Member
Fri Nov 29 11:17:25
http://www...hows-why-he-cant-be-president/

Who coined the cliche "follow the money"?

No doubt money impacts the reason and results.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 29 11:23:14
"But if Bloomberg really believes what he says, his misreading of the Chinese government’s character and ambitions could be devastating for U.S. national security and foreign policy. He would be advocating for a naive policy of engagement and wishful thinking that has already been tried and failed."

Lets substitute:

"But if Trump really believes what he says, his misreading of the Russian/North Korean government’s character and ambitions could be devastating for U.S. national security and foreign policy. He would be advocating for a naive policy of engagement and wishful thinking that has already been tried and failed."

It is hardly a damning finding given the competition in other words.
TJ
Member
Fri Nov 29 11:26:52
The Washington post is a heavily leaning left media. He knows he can't win with the left media against him, but he is certainly trashing Trump for President.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 29 11:28:11
Yah, I outlined what I think he is doing in another thread.
TJ
Member
Fri Nov 29 12:31:38
What do you see as the Occam's razor after reading the entire link I provided? What is making Bloomberg squeal like a pig with the millions he is spending?

Lead me to your outline in the other thread. I don't feel like searching.

jergul
large member
Fri Nov 29 12:42:07
"His team also has announced plans to spend $34 million on campaign ads, $100 million on anti-Trump digital ads in key states -- though those ads would not feature Bloomberg -- and between an estimated $15 million to $20 million to register 500,000 voters in five battleground states won by Trump"

That is more a beat trump spending plan than it is a win the nomination spending plan.

Here (it was in this thread actually, but I may as well repost as an add-on for the first paragraph):

"Anyway, I think Bloomberg wants the democrats to win. So how does he think his participation will contribute to that?

Signal politics is one aspect. His joining the democratic camp indicates the democrats will be outspending the GOP next election cycle. This could impact on how other major contributors decide to allocate funding.

Secondly, Bloomberg can completely destroy Trump's hold on "Running the US like a business". But that depends on Bloomberg being on the ticket.

Third, Bloomberg can run interferance for a different candidate in the debates. For example by better allowing Biden (or whoever) to be statesmanlike as Bloomberg takes the hits and makes the blows for corporate democrats.

Finally, with enough support, Bloomberg can leverage potential delegates into a vp slot on a democratic ticket.

It seems like a plan."

TJ
Member
Fri Nov 29 12:51:22
China has a firm grip on Bloomberg's testicles(investments). I'll call it bribery. He doesn't want to be on the winning ticket. He just wants Trump gone because of China.

Ain't it wonderful that everyone has an opinion or this place wouldn't exist. :)
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 29 12:57:57
TJ
That argument has been used against Trump quite regularly in regards to Russia. You can gauge its effectiveness how you like.

Wanting Trump gone because of Trump's trade war is a legitimate position to hold.

But Bloomenberg has more than one axe to grind, as do many corporate leaders.
TJ
Member
Fri Nov 29 13:03:49
No doubt it is a legitimate position financially for Bloomberg. It is the only option for him and other corporate globalist investments.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 29 13:16:30
Its a legitimate position for anyone to hold.

http://www...ade-war-economic-concerns.html
TJ
Member
Fri Nov 29 14:07:47
Fear is a mighty weapon directed toward the masses.

You really think you need to supply me with economic links. The World could implode in the blink of an eye and surely it will at some point according to history.

"63 percent, think Mr. Trump’s trade policies will be bad for the economy, at least in the short term, also up from an earlier survey."

"At least in the short term." Nothing like putting the two responses together in a survey.

If I keep responding in the the long term I'll need a shower.

Following your link:

>> just 21% of Democrats now say they expect “continuous good times economically” over the next five years, from from 27% in August. Republicans have only seen a negligible two percentage point decrease in the last month, from 80% to 78%.<<

Finance analogy..., I'm to Trump as Trump is to Bloomberg. Power absolutely corrupts. I have none.

I see God in a cloud. chuckle
jergul
large member
Sat Nov 30 00:01:59
Bloomberg is pricing his campaign sweatshirt at 20.20.

Cute

I could post Z1 gov. Federal debt increased by 1.1 trillion in 2018. People used to care about stuff like that :).
kargen
Member
Sat Nov 30 00:40:40
"He will not be accepting campaign donations btw. So will not be syphoning off money from other democratic campaigns."

That is only true on paper. If deep pockets think Bloomberg is it they are going to keep their money in their pockets or donate to key congressional races. They aren't going to reach into the pocket for someone they think is going to lose the primary.

And really the only chance Bloomberg has against President Trump is if the economy tanks. His entire strategy is based on him being a better businessman than President Trump. If economy is still good nobody will give a shit and Bloomberg falls way short. I think he would fall short anyway but with a good economy it is a supreme wipe on his part.
I really doubt he gets past the primary and still am not convinced he really is running. Said same thing about President Trump though going all the way into June.
jergul
large member
Sat Nov 30 00:58:40
Kargen
His entire strategy is based on him not being insane like Trump (Bloomberg's words, not mine).

I think it more likely than not that Bloomberg is using the primary to justify spending on supporting the democratic cause.

He is putting in 120 million on support and 30 million on his own campaign.

Imagine the outrage if he just poured 120 million into democratic support without actually running as a candidate.
kargen
Member
Sat Nov 30 01:04:19
that isn't going to fly outside of two or three states.

And yeah I've thought since he was hinting he might get in he just wants to spend some money but I'm not sure he is helping the cause. If he does get supporters are they going to decide fuck it and not vote when he doesn't get the nod?

I'm thinking more and more it is an ego thing.
Paramount
Member
Sat Nov 30 02:42:59
” If economy is still good nobody will give a shit and Bloomberg falls way short”

So how is the economy? Has the tariffs started to hurt American consumers yet? Maybe Trump is starting to get desparate to seal ”A VERY GOOD DEAL” with China now, before the election, so he can tell people how good he is?

The steel workers, the coal miners, etc... has Trump opened up any more coal mines yet? Has he given the steel workers jobs?
jergul
large member
Sat Nov 30 02:53:14
Kargen
The economy sucks in key areas: coal mining and farming. I am not sure about steel.

I am sure it is about ego. Bloomberg feels he must contribute in significant ways if anyone is to beat Trump.
Paramount
Member
Sat Nov 30 02:55:04
If I was Chairman Xi Jinping, I would put ultra-high tariffs on American goods now, so high tariffs that Trump would be shocked and shit his pants and be forced to sign a deal that is favorable to China, or totally lose the election. And when he signs a deal with China that isn’t favorable to America, he’ll lose the election. With one move, Chairman Xi can have Trump in a lose-lose situation.

Ladies and gentlemen, I call it check mate.
jergul
large member
Sat Nov 30 02:57:03
Para
It has not started to hurt yet in a statistical sense. We will see it in the CPI numbers soon enough.
Dukhat
Member
Sat Nov 30 02:58:13
Unfortunately his supporters don't care about facts. Mueller's report was pretty damning but Fox News and Barr's obstruction made it look like Trump got off free.

So Trump will sell a shit deal as the greatest thing ever and his idiot supporters will eat it up.

It's basically a giant cult.
Paramount
Member
Sat Nov 30 02:58:35
Okay.
kargen
Member
Sat Nov 30 03:41:44
"So how is the economy?"

It's fucking rockin'

kargen
Member
Sat Nov 30 03:45:29
and I say that knowing the farmers ranchers and miners are going to have to be hurt much much much more before they even begin to think a Democrat is the solution.
Really how do you imagine a candidate running on destroying coal and ranching will appeal to middle america?
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