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Allahuakbar
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Mon Dec 02 13:17:07
I really tried to accept them as people of the book, but enough is enough.

http://spu...-first-lgbt-themed-altarpiece/

Church of Sweden Shamed for 'Political Activism' as It Unveils First LGBT-Themed Altarpiece

08:29 02.12.2019(updated 08:32 02.12.2019)

The homoerotic painting by an openly lesbian artist depicting black and white people in intimate poses has been hailed for its “positive view of sexuality” and containing “phallic symbols”. As one priest put it, it also suggested that the Serpent was a “transsexual woman”. Still, many concluded it was a step in the wrong direction for the Church.

On 1 December, on the first day of Advent, St. Paul's Church in Malmö became the first in Sweden to receive an LGBT-themed altarpiece.

The new altarpiece, the homoerotic painting “Paradise” by Elisabeth Ohlson Wallin, is roughly based on Reformation-era painter Lucas Cranach's “Adam and Eve”, and features features black and white gays and lesbians in sexual poses.

The Church of Sweden, which allowed gay marriage in 2009, and has since been a vocal ally of the LGBT movement, didn't hide its joy.

“On Sunday, history is written. Sweden's only LGBT altarpiece (Elisabeth Ohlsson Wallin) is received by St. Paul's church in Malmö. Of course, it hangs in the choir, next to the 'old' altarpiece. We are so happy and proud!”, Helena Myrstener, the pastor of St. Paul's Church, tweeted.


The Church of Sweden in Malmö suggested the altarpiece was a token of the church's inclusivity and representation.

“It is with pride and joy that we receive 'Paradise' in the St. Paul Church. We need images that open up for greater inclusion and identification in the Church. We are grateful to Elizabeth's artistry that allows us to build a credible church that shows there is a place in Paradise for all of us, regardless of who we love and how identify ourselves” the Swedish Church in Malmö wrote in a press release.

“Before this board came up here, only men were represented in the artwork. But with this board all of us are”, priest Sofia Tunebro told national broadcaster SVT. She also suggested that it held a “very positive view of sexuality”. She also contended that it included “phallic symbols” and suggested that the Serpent was a “transsexual woman”.

Elisabeth Ohlson Wallin, who is openly lesbian, is known for her support of the LGBT cause. In 1998, her exhibition Ecce Homo in Uppsala Cathedral stirred up a commotion for placing Jesus among homosexuals and transvestites, even riding a bicycle in a gay pride parade.

The reception on social media was a rather mixed one, however. While some found it quite up-to-date and responded with elated messages and added rainbows, others saw the new altar as a bearer of sinister news.

“Not impressed. This is not about Christian values, but only political activism. Shameful!”, one user wrote.


“The Church of Sweden: We do not understand why so many members choose to leave each year, what can we do differently to stop the negative trend? Also the Church of Sweden: the Serpent is a transsexual woman”, another one scoffed.


Others questioned whether church officials had read the Bible at all, citing the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Another common theme was to allude to Leviticus 18:22, a passage that openly forbids same-sex relations. Still others, holding the most pessimistic views, suggested that religion was dead.



The Church of Sweden is known for its liberal position on issues such as homosexuality, mass immigration, and climate change. At over 5 million members, it is Sweden's largest religious organisation and Europe's largest Lutheran denomination. However, its membership has been rapidly declining in recent decades (at a pace of 2 percent annually). As of 2018, 57 percent of the Swedish population were members of the Swedish Church, a marked drop from 95 percent in 1972 in a matter of only a few decades.
Pillz
Member
Tue Dec 03 08:30:27
They clearly stopped being Christians over a decade ago
Hrothgar
Member
Tue Dec 03 09:40:20
Christianity is destroying itself by continuing to attempt to stand in the face of bloody obvious scientific fact proving the whole reality of the origin story bogus.

Everyone "the one true way" religion is facing this onslaught due to the information age wrecking myths previously taken as fact on all fronts.

Some of the fastest growing Reddit pages are ex-members of the Abrahamic based religions. Everyone provably wrong in so many scriptural based claims of the past.
Pillz
Member
Tue Dec 03 11:12:28
Youre missing the point.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Dec 03 13:48:41
HURRR DURRR DON'T REJECT MUH BIG BANG

It is possible to believe in both evolution and the Catholic church’s teaching on creation, Pope Francis has said, as he cautioned against portraying God as a kind of magician who made the universe with a magic wand.

“The big bang, which is today posited as the origin of the world, does not contradict the divine act of creation; rather, it requires it,” the pope said in an address to a meeting at the pontifical academy of sciences.

“Evolution of nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation because evolution presupposes the creation of beings which evolve.”

http://www...lution-and-creation-both-right
Forwyn
Member
Tue Dec 03 13:50:01
tfw a Catholic invented the Big Bang Theory
Pillz
Member
Wed Dec 04 10:20:12
Wrong and missing the point
Forwyn
Member
Wed Dec 04 12:04:37
Not sure what your "point" is, but that's fact
Pillz
Member
Wed Dec 04 14:45:15
First of all, if Francis said it you should discount it. He's openly allowed pagan worship in the Vatican.

Next, the point is that once you deviate from traditional Christian beliefs you're no longer a Christian. So gay marriage, female priests, etc etc etc.

Hrothgar missed the point and went on about how Christianity is wrong and thus destroying itself.

Right or wrong doesn't matter with regards to adherence to scripture. A religion can die out due to lack of followers because it won't betray its core principles - that isn't destroying itself.

Churches turning on what they're supposed to stand for however is destroying themselves - or at least the image of the Christian faith within the scope of its belief system and operation.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Dec 04 14:57:22
Ah. Cool. Thought you were responding to my second post.
Pillz
Member
Wed Dec 04 17:03:06
Someone should tell Francis to reread genesis
Forwyn
Member
Thu Dec 05 13:26:56
I mean...Francis isn't the first

Pius XII
“the teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions… take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter – for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God”.

JPII
“new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis… The convergence in the results of these independent studies constitutes in itself a significant argument in favour of the theory”.
smart dude
Member
Thu Dec 05 23:10:01
Forwyn is a Christian? Makes sense.
smart dude
Member
Thu Dec 05 23:10:06
Forwyn is a Christian? Makes sense.
Pillz
Member
Thu Dec 05 23:20:18
No, he's a catholic. About one rung up the ladder from being a member of the Church of Sweden.

Which is why he's quoting popes who forgot that God is supposed to have created man, not set a 6 billion year timer on them.

And Pius XII might as well have come out and endorsed reincarnation while he was at it.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Dec 06 08:52:14
I'm a what now? Lulz
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