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Rugian
Member
Fri Dec 06 09:04:04
Foreigners mocking President Trump is a sign he’s doing something right

By Karol Markowicz
December 5, 2019 | 8:16pm | Updated

If they ever get around to making a “Mean Girls” sequel, Justin Trudeau should audition. This week, video surfaced of the Canadian prime minister mocking President Trump for taking ­excessive questions from the media, causing time hiccups at the NATO summit.

In the footage, Trudeau, who last made news in America for his multiple instances of wearing blackface, is seen joshing with French President ­Emmanuel Macron, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and others. He doesn’t use Trump’s name, but that’s clearly whom he’s talking about.

But should the US president care what foreign leaders or their citizens think of him or us? Nope.

Joe Biden pounced on the video, releasing an ad that highlighted the mocking and warned that “if we give Donald Trump four more years, we’ll have a great deal of difficulty of ever being able to ­recover America’s standing in the world and our capacity to bring nations together.”

Jon Favreau, a former speechwriter for President Barack ­Obama, called it “a very smart ad.” Michael Skolnick, a liberal activist and former political director for disgraced media mogul Russell Simmons, tweeted: “This Biden ad will do 10 [million-plus] views on Twitter tonight.” He urged campaigns to use digital ads to “build a cultural narrative against Trump.”

But Biden, lately caught nibbling on his wife’s finger while she ­delivered a speech on stage, is an odd choice to build that cultural narrative, much less dispel foreign mockery. As even his fans will ­admit, the ­ex-veep is a goofball, exactly the kind of loud, awkward American our European and ­Canadian betters sneer at.

The bigger hole in the ad is that Trump is far from the first US president to get mocked by Continental types. Nor is he the first GOP president to get pilloried by the left for allegedly inviting global scorn.

In 2004, at the height of the Iraq War, then-Sen. John Kerry said during a debate that he wouldn’t take pre-emptive action against any threat without first passing a “global test.” George W. Bush pushed back: “My attitude is you take pre-emptive action in order to protect the American people, that you act in order to make this country ­secure.” Kerry also claimed that world leaders had been calling him during the election to offer their support.

European elites despised the “cowboy Bush,” just as they ­despised the “actor” President ­Ronald Reagan.

Even President Bill Clinton came in for European mockery. I know, ­because I lived on the Continent back then. I recall how cultural elites there laughed at Clinton, with his Arkansas twang and his fondness for high-calorie fast food.

As for Obama, maybe they loved him. Then again, he made it a habit to apologize for the United States, not least for our “arrogant, dismissive and derisive” attitude toward ­Europe. Obama even compared American exceptionalism with British or Greek ­exceptionalism.

Europeans may have loved that, but did they respect a US president who thought America was just OK? I’m not so sure. Anyway, in that same speech with the apology for our arrogant, dismissive derisiveness, Obama also noted that “in ­Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once ­casual but can also be insidious.” Yes, it can be — and it didn’t start with Trump.

Then there are the Canadians. The notions that our neighbors to the north loved America before Trump is equally absurd. For decades, Canadians have traveled with little Canadian flags stitched into their backpacks and luggage lest they be mistaken for yucky Yanks. Yes, many ordinary Canadians admire the United States, but there is in their elite culture a strand of European-style superciliousness about us; Trudeau’s “Mean Girls” act was only the latest ­expression of it.

Americans journeyed across an ocean to avoid being European, and voters, especially those in battleground Midwest states, don’t look to the likes of Trudeau or Macron for ballot-box guidance. In fact, when haughty Europeans or Canadians don’t like the American president, we can be sure he is ­doing something right.

http://nyp...ign-hes-doing-something-right/
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri Dec 06 09:07:47
"Americans journeyed across an ocean to avoid being European"

lol
Rugian
Member
Fri Dec 06 09:34:35
Sorry to break your streak of tying every post you make to Putin, ST.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri Dec 06 10:15:44
no worries tovarish.
keep up the great work you're doing.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 06 11:52:56
he is mocked for how he behaves & what he says (it wasn't for merely "taking ­excessive questions from the media")

plus he was at a NATO event complaining (as always) about funding & still doesn't even understand the simple way it works (even though he's made it clear he doesn't understand it for his entire presidency... absolutely no learning ability)


so no, you can't conclude anyone mocked by Europeans must be doing something right... what a stupid theory...
jergul
large member
Fri Dec 06 12:05:44
Ruggy
He made people wait so got laughed at.
Dukhat
Member
Fri Dec 06 12:58:29
More proof that "conservatism" is nothing more than reactionary bullshit by butthurt losers who just want to hurt other people.

Get over your own angst and do something with your life.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 06 13:22:33
"He made people wait so got laughed at"

i'm sure more than that... (and i assume the long presser was largely impeachment questions w/ a flood of bullshit by Trump... not something he needs to be doing w/ Trudeau, or ever)

plus that doesn't cover the 'jaw drop' comment... Trudeau claims it was over announcement of G7 being held at Camp David but he's probably being diplomatic... that doesn't seem like a jaw-dropping event
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 06 13:25:15
...if he was answering good questions w/ substantive answers (which has never & will never happen) they wouldn't laugh about it

jergul
large member
Fri Dec 06 13:28:14
tw
Its more than that. Ultimately a coping strategy for what otherwise would be grounds for offence and counter actions.

Johnson could have left Trump hanging on the front steps of the downing residence for 40 minutes for example.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Dec 06 16:53:24
"Foreigners mocking President Trump is a sign he’s doing something right"

This pretty much encapsulates Rugian's ability for logical thought. Thanks for putting it so succinctly.
Rugian
Member
Fri Dec 06 17:03:28
^pathetic self-loathing people who would rather side with anti-American foreigners than with their own president

Except for jergul who is an actual anti-American foreigner, so I actually have a bit more respect for his position.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Dec 06 18:18:28
"logical thought"

The exact opposite statement wouldn't be any more logical.
Daemon
Member
Sat Dec 07 03:47:51
1) Merkel did not participate in this
2) http://www.google.com/search?q=%22trump+mocks%22
Memory Lane
Member
Sat Dec 07 14:28:17
"anti-American foreigners than with their own president "

Remember the instances of Rugian supporting anyone, including foreign leaders that didn't like Obama. I do.
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