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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 10 12:09:11
you guys probably should make an impeachment thread :p cause i'm gonna keep posting other Trump nonsense here
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"
Shifty Schiff, a totally corrupt politician, made up a horrible and fraudulent statement, read it to Congress, and said those words came from me. He got caught, was very embarrassed, yet nothing happened to him for committing this fraud. He’ll eventually have to answer for this!
"
~ lying trash


- it was 100% clear Schiff was not claiming to be quoting Trump
- he said it the day -after= Trump -publicly- released the transcript, thus all could see & would know... so there was no 'got caught'
-- but this idea comes from the repeated lie Trump has been pushing at rallies that Schiff made up the conversation, & -then- Trump released the transcript to disprove & 'caught' Schiff in the 'lie' (he's said it so much, maybe he now believes it)


Trump is disgusting & unfit & a continual liar & everyone should be able to see... why don't they
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 10 12:14:46

Trump's FBI director Wray accepts the IG report (the real version, not Fox News version):

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"
Wray told ABC News correspondent Pierre Thomas that one of the most important takeaways from the report is that he and his agency “fully accept its findings and recommendations.”

One of the other big takeaways, Wray said, was that “the inspector general did not find political bias or improper motivations impacting the opening of the investigation or the decision to use certain investigative tools during the investigations.”

“Including FISA?” Thomas asked.

“Including FISA,” the FBI director replied.
"
http://tal...-doj-igs-findings-on-fbi-probe

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so of course, Trump:

"
I don’t know what report current Director of the FBI Christopher Wray was reading, but it sure wasn’t the one given to me. With that kind of attitude, he will never be able to fix the FBI, which is badly broken despite having some of the greatest men & women working there!
"

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gotta get a corrupt guy like Barr to head the FBI i guess
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 10 12:21:20
for the record, Wray said more than that... including acknowledging the FISA criticisms
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 10 13:44:21
here's Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov at a presser w/ Pompeo...

"We have highlighted once again that all speculation about our alleged interference in domestic processes in the US are baseless. There are no facts that would support that ...no one has given us this proof because it simply does not exist"
~ Trump's handler


Russia knows what to do to get a meeting w/ Trump at the White House... get with the program, Zellinsky


in fairness, Pompeo disagreed (but a low bar...) but we know Trump would NOT disagree as he's completely in the tank for Russia (& Israel & Saudi Arabia) & for that & so many more reasons, unfit for office

swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Tue Dec 10 14:37:31
"but we know Trump would NOT disagree as he's completely in the tank for Russia"

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELcuSZTXUAInSnx.jpg:large
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 10 15:52:30
anyone thinking Trump agrees that Russia meddled would be very poorly informed (yes, you can find a few clips that seem to show him admitting it, yet you'll have to cut off quick to avoid his comments before or after)

he had a years long campaign to defend Russia, culminating in Helsinki... where only after even Fox News decided to finally have a problem w/ it, he faked a reversal

he's never admitted it except under duress, and still usually adds 'but it could also be someone else' language

plus we have his recent Crowdstrike comments & still saying he wants the DNC server (which no one is asking for but him)... his theory is that it wasn't Russia who hacked it (please cite a single other reason he would think the server is needed)

...& i don't watch Rachel Maddow (or any MSNBC)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 10 16:54:43
White House readout of Trump/Lavrov meeting
(image, so can't c/p)
http://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1204521281762349056

it claims "Trump warned against any Russian attempts to interfere United States elections"

this didn't happen... it's simply impossible to believe

that White House readout is as trustworthy as the White House readout of Trump's first call w/ Zelensky
(which was entirely false for anyone not closely paying attention :p)
kargen
Member
Tue Dec 10 22:35:32
" (please cite a single other reason he would think the server is needed)"

High ranking Democrat vacation videos from Little Saint James Island probably.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 10 23:15:03
see how you went w/ a joke... because there -isn't- any other reason

plus we know it's the reason as he also brought up the server in his Helsinki disaster when defending Russia throughout

which by the way was -proof- he was lying w/ his 'would/wouldn't' nonsense (which was already an obvious lie to begin w/ as he had made the same 'i don't see why it would be Russia' statements in the past)

so he did something so bad that even his propaganda news network got upset... he then tells an incredibly obvious lie to everyone's faces, and not only is that not found offensive, it's enough for Fox News to be back on his team (& certainly not the first time he's been caught lying to everyone's faces... just a charming quirk of his i guess)

meh, so he sides w/ Russia over our intel community... & also lies to our faces to deceive us about it... who cares

craziness
kargen
Member
Tue Dec 10 23:29:18
Well you were part right.

There is no reasoning with you. You live in an alternative universe and have for a while now.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 10 23:30:37
counter 1 thing i said in that post, please try
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 10 23:34:11
here's some source material for you to work with
(let me know if you need anything else)

from Helsinki transcript:

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"
REPORTER (Jonathan Lemire from AP): Thank you. A question for each president. President Trump, you first. Just now President Putin denied having anything to do with the election interference in 2016. Every US intelligence agency has concluded that Russia did.

My first question for you, sir, is who do you believe? My second question is would you now with the whole world watching tell President Putin — would you denounce what happened in 2016 and would you warn him to never do it again?

TRUMP: So let me just say that we have two thoughts. You have groups that are wondering why the FBI never took the server. Why haven’t they taken the server? Why was the FBI told to leave the office of the democratic national committee? I’ve been wondering that. I’ve been asking that for months and months and I’ve been tweeting it out and calling it out on social media. Where is the server? I want to know, where is the server and what is the server saying? With that being said, all I can do is ask the question. My people came to me, Dan Coats came to me and some others and said they think it’s Russia.

I have President Putin. He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this. I don’t see any reason why it would be, but I really do want to see the server. But I have confidence in both parties. I really believe that this will probably go on for a while, but I don’t think it can go on without finding out what happened to the server. What happened to the servers of the Pakistani gentleman that worked on the DNC? Where are those servers? They’re missing. Where are they? What happened to Hillary Clinton’s emails? 33,000 emails gone — just gone. I think in Russia they wouldn’t be gone so easily. I think it’s a disgrace that we can’t get Hillary Clinton’s 33,000 emails. So I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that president Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. And what he did is an incredible offer. He offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators, with respect to the 12 people. I think that’s an incredible offer. Okay thank you.
"
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http://www...ssia-helsinki-press-conference
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 10 23:35:41
if you are unaware:

the FBI concluded it was Russia... Russians have been charged w/ crimes... no one has said 'we're just guessing, as we didn't get the server'
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 11 00:00:42
let me modify that, i don't want to be accused of being misleading (like corrupt AG Barr & capo Jordan)

the intel community had unanimously concluded Russia by that point in time, but the charges didn't come til later in Mueller... where Trump showed zero interest... as why should a President care about efforts to meddle in our elections...


more source material:
his 'would/wouldn't' total obvious bullshit correction & pretending to accept our "intelligent community's... conclusion" <tricky words for him>
(requiring being read off paper, & of course his inability to not ad-lib that could be others)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf1KkFeDJyI&t=32
(set to right time)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 11 00:08:33
oops, shit... Helsinki was actually right at the time the Russians indicted by Mueller, so i was right the first time :p

those 12 people referenced at end were people indicted where Trump loved Putin's 'incredible offer' of having Putin's people help investigate & see everything we had...


anyway, good luck with your well-reasoned defense
& anyone else is welcome to help

there -should- be a defense given this Individual-1 is (amazingly) still the president
kargen
Member
Wed Dec 11 01:12:56
"as why should a President care about efforts to meddle in our elections..."

Which is why we have to wonder why didn't President Obama try to do something or at the very least alert the proper agencies.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 11 01:31:27
what are you talking about? what agencies didn't Obama tell & how do think Obama learned about it in the first place? & Obama DID take some actions (but i realize you've heard Trump say he did nothing, so you believe the continuous obvious liar of course)

now don't forget to work on that defense
kargen
Member
Wed Dec 11 03:26:04
See you are still under the impression that I have an excuse for President Trump or would make an excuse for him. I don't and I won't.

You just keep us going in a circle, round and round and round and round.

You been bringing the same shit up for months. You think if President Trump sneezes he should be impeached for germ warfare.

I still do not see anything he has done that would warrant his impeachment. Simple as that. You don't have to convince me he is an uncouth ass. Being an uncouth ass isn't grounds for impeachment.
Fun thing is the non impeachment crowd doesn't have to prove shit. If you and Schiff want President Trump impeached come up with a real reason and some actual proof. Until then I know...let's run in a couple more circles.
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Dec 11 07:56:08
not considered a big deal at this point, just the president and his grifter offsping stealing money donated to his charity for personal gain and getting busted.

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Trump pays $2 million to charities in foundation case, admits misuse of funds

December 10, 2019 | 3:04pm | Updated

http://nyp...n-case-admits-misuse-of-funds/
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 11 11:53:20
"You think if President Trump sneezes he should be impeached for germ warfare... uncouth ass"

is having a President who feels the word of Putin is at least as strong as unanimous conclusion of our intel agencies acceptable?

you should at least acknowledge he did that

but he clearly sides w/ Putin, as while comparing 'the 2 thoughts' as he goes on about 'where's the server' & bringing up Hillary's emails, so he's trying to cast doubt on the intel community's side, while noting Putin's denial was 'strong & powerful'... (plus he had already been defending Russia & casting doubt on our side for over a year at that point)

is it also acceptable for him to merely make-up an obvious lie & deliver it to the public?

is it then acceptable for him to ask Zelensky to look for the server? (both in why the fuck is he still looking for it, & why the fuck is he asking Zelensky... i guarantee & hopefully you accept, that that was NOT in his prepared material, which he likely didn't even look at)

he also sides w/ the Saudis over our intel community, they concluded 'with high confidence' MBS is involved in Khashoggi (maybe even stronger or fully proven by now, i dunno), Trump said he didn't think so... from day one til the present... as they had 'strong' denials

if any President should be expected to trust our intel community (over nothing) it's this idiot buffoon who is proven to just make up complete bullshit and have wrong knowledge constantly


these incidents are just a portion of why he should be gone (and there's like 3 separate reasons in there that each alone make him unfit)... so no, not about being uncouth or sneezing

(& yes, he's a fraud in charity & business & personal life)


you claimed i said something wrong in my [Tue Dec 10 23:15:03], so please detail what was wrong

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 11 12:58:41
seems R's / team Trump avoiding mentioning Carter Page's name as much as possible as he's so meaningless... just talking about 'the FISA', & doing a good job implying this was a critical piece of the investigation

and i bet you'd find many of these types of issues on any random muslim's FISA request & suddenly these same R's would be defending it

(not saying the FISA issues shouldn't be looked at, just it has nothing to do with the 'Trump vs smart/informed people' war)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 11 13:46:53
Trump at rally (after his typical mischaracterization of Page/Strzok texts):

“So FBI lawyer Lisa Page was so in love she didn’t know what the hell was happening, texted the head of counterintelligence Peter Strzok, likewise so in love he couldn’t see straight! This poor guy. Did I hear he needed a restraining order after this whole thing to keep him away from Lisa? That’s what I heard. I don’t know if it’s true. The fake news will never report it, but it could be true.”
[pauses for crowd to boo media]
“Now that’s what I heard, I don’t know. I mean, who could believe a thing like that? No, I heard Peter Strzok needed a restraining order to keep him away from his once lover. Lisa, I hope you miss him. Lisa, he will never be the same.”


that's the President... 'why isn't the fake news reporting this smear i just made up about this innocent private citizen who i keep harassing who has literally no allegations against her?'...

her 'crime' was not liking him as a candidate... much like Lindsey Graham...


Trump is such a disgusting organism

unrelated to this particular incident, someone on Twitter was asking people to try to name a more disgusting person on Earth... fairly hard to do
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 11 13:53:33
and for crazy people who will dismiss whatever the hell ^that was, he also lets his massive ignorance (& the bullshit factory in his head) affect his official duties (unsurprisingly):

"That’s what I heard" was how he defended believing (& probably still believing) Crowdstrike was a Ukrainian company w/ Ukrainian owner & asking Zelensky to investigate it (on Fox & Friends)

there is no 2nd Trump... the public idiot is the private idiot
kargen
Member
Wed Dec 11 14:40:32
"you claimed i said something wrong in my [Tue Dec 10 23:15:03], so please detail what was wrong"

You said "because there -isn't- any other reason"
and you can't know that unless you actually are a mind reader. I'm leaning more towards you are wrong than you are a mind reader.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 11 15:04:20
"you can't know that unless you actually are a mind reader"

...or i apply minimal brain power

i'll restate you are nuts

in Helsinki, why do you think he's asking about the server? it's clear he's weighing the two equally strong thoughts: Putin's strong & powerful denial vs unanimous conclusion of our intel community

you like to speculate that all the Ukraine witnesses were just butthurt & deliberately misled, so go ahead & speculate on any other possible motive for Trump wanting the DNC server... he has ONLY ever mentioned it in regards to the Russia probe & hacking (plus there's no dispute he was talking about 2016 interference in his Ukraine efforts)

so go ahead, speculate as wildly as you wish... find any other explanation that makes a lick of sense

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 11 15:07:12

the relevant part in case you're having trouble seeing Trump's words & noticing any meaning...

"
I have President Putin. He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this. I don’t see any reason why it would be, but I really do want to see the server. But I have confidence in both parties. I really believe that this will probably go on for a while, but I don’t think it can go on without finding out what happened to the server.
"

no mind-reading required here...

but go ahead and try to find another way to see it
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 11 15:32:17
more material for you to try to crack this mystery

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"
Why did the DNC REFUSE to turn over its Server to the FBI, and still hasn't? It's all a big Dem scam and excuse for losing the election!
"
~ Russia spokesman (Trump) Jun 22, 2017

(the 'scam' obviously referring to Russia investigation, hopefully you'd admit that as it's DEFINITELY true...)

---------------------

and even more damning:

"
Russia continues to say they had nothing to do with Meddling in our Election! Where is the DNC Server, and why didn’t Shady James Comey and the now disgraced FBI agents take and closely examine it? Why isn’t Hillary/Russia being looked at? So many questions, so much corruption!
"
~ Russia spokesman (Trump) Jun 28, 2018
(a year after prior tweet, and -less than a month before Helsinki-)

kargen
Member
Wed Dec 11 17:36:25
"and even more damning:

"
Russia continues to say they had nothing to do with Meddling in our Election! Where is the DNC Server, and why didn’t Shady James Comey and the now disgraced FBI agents take and closely examine it? Why isn’t Hillary/Russia being looked at? So many questions, so much corruption!"

and still nothing impeachable. Asking questions isn't an impeachable offense. It just isn't. So your even more damning "evidence" is shit.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 11 17:47:08
do you have a diagnosed mental illness? why are you talking about impeachable

you claimed his motive for wanting the server is not because he doubts Russia hacked it

are you now admitting that it's his (obvious) motive? and just saying not impeachable?


you claimed i was only "part right" above, if you are changing your answer to me being fully right, please say so

we can finally agree on something
kargen
Member
Wed Dec 11 18:19:30
"you claimed his motive for wanting the server is not because he doubts Russia hacked it"

No I didn't. I said you can't know what his motive was. To know his motive you would either need him to tell you his motive or you would need to be a mind reader. He has been quiet and I doubt you can read minds. I claimed there could be another motive. President Trump doesn't have to prove nor share his motive.

Let us break down your damning evidence.

"Russia continues to say they had nothing to do with Meddling in our Election!"

That is true. Russia was making that claim.

"Where is the DNC Server, and why didn’t Shady James Comey and the now disgraced FBI agents take and closely examine it?"

Was he asking hoping to find evidence of Russia meddling in the election? Could be. Maybe he thought there was evidence of the Democrats working with Russia. Next statement backs that line of thinking.

"Why isn’t Hillary/Russia being looked at? So many questions, so much corruption!"

And no I'm going to go ahead and stop you here. I am not saying that is what happened. I am saying it is a possibility as viable as any possibility you have offered up.

Yes you are correct no matter how President trump meant the statement it isn't an impeachable offense. He is free to ask questions all he wants.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 11 18:29:34
"To know his motive you would either need him to tell you his motive or you would need to be a mind reader."

ok buddy... i believe i already said for you to never be a juror, i restate that... you should never be allowed to be one

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"He has been quiet"

Trump? ... wow

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"I am saying it is a possibility as viable as any possibility you have offered up."

No

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i don't know if you are trolling or are just fucked in the head, but sadly, given there are millions out there thinking Trump's behavior & mental ability is just fine it doesn't really matter

may people find sanity again once he is gone

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 11 18:36:38
i do like your creative explanation of "Russia continues to say they had nothing to do with Meddling in our Election!" being just Trump relaying information & not suggesting any endorsement at all (especially considering the words after it)

why the exclamation point?

no need to answer, we won't agree

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 11 18:43:42
random quotes for no particular reason:

“I don't think anybody knows it was Russia that broke into the DNC [server]. [Hillary Clinton’s] saying Russia, Russia, Russia, but I don't — maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, OK? You don't know who broke in to DNC.”
~ Trump (Sep 2016)

"But I notice, anytime anything wrong happens, they like to say the Russians are — [Clinton] doesn't know if it's the Russians doing the hacking. Maybe there is no hacking. But they always blame Russia. And the reason they blame Russia because they think they're trying to tarnish me with Russia."
~ Trump (Oct 2016)

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 11 18:55:59
TIME magazine made Greta Thunberg person of the year

"
Time leaves out the Hong Kong Protesters fighting for their lives and freedoms to push a teen being used as a marketing gimmick.

How dare you?
"
~ Don 'Collusion' Jr.


^that thing's father promised Chinese prez Xi that he would stay quiet about the protestors to help get his trade deal

compare Trump's comments on the protestors to any of the strong comments by both D & R leaders... plus see his begs of forgiveness to Xi for signing the human rights bill from congress only as it had a veto-proof majority
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Dec 12 11:50:14
listening in on impeachment hearing... i think the last 3 R's straight all talking about the Bidens & how important it is to investigate

Hunter joined that board in 2014 (was not a secret, articles about conflict of interest at the time)

Joe stopped being VP in 2016 so his ability for corrupt actions seems quite limited after that...

so why didn't that critical investigation happen in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, or 2018?

(& why aren't people using my argument :p... i haven't heard anyone cite this obvious nonsense)

transparent bullshit

(& now it's up to 4 R's, as the next one has started talking about Bidens while i've been typing)
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Thu Dec 12 12:08:05
peelieve!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Dec 12 13:43:05
someone should do a count of how many R's are bringing up the Bidens at the hearing today... it's been all of them that i've seen

perhaps a full court press as there was speculation the R's in the senate don't have enough support in their ranks to call the Bidens (they need 51)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Dec 12 14:28:01
garbage Gohmert claims this all started w/ the Carter Page FISA abuse (not mentioning Carter Page's name of course)

so not only was nobody Carter Page supposedly a lynchpin of the Russia investigation, he's also a lynchpin of the Ukraine scandal (somehow)

more solid arguments by the Rs
kargen
Member
Thu Dec 12 17:05:40
"listening in on impeachment hearing... i think the last 3 R's straight all talking about the Bidens & how important it is to investigate"

and there probably should be an investigation. Can you think of any reason at all they would hire Hunter Biden other than to try and gain favors from daddy Biden?

That there hasn't been an investigation yet doesn't mean there shouldn't be one. I don't even mind if they wait until after the election but an investigation should happen. Something very wrong was happening there.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Dec 12 17:29:46
Chinese companies hire white people to gain status, the white person doesn't have to have any qualifications or skills other than looking professional

in any case, the -fact- that it only became important to investigate (after years) after Trump needed a defense PROVES it's a nonsense argument
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Dec 12 17:31:41
Trump approved Ukraine aid in 2017 & 2018 too... no Biden investigation requested...

and you wouldn't start the investigation w/ Ukraine... especially when you supposedly are concerned about all the corruption in Ukraine
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Dec 12 17:35:34
and and and... Hunter's hire was not secret, there would have been R's watching like a hawk to jump on anything Joe did if it looked corrupt (YEARS ago)

note how there are no actual allegations being made, just that 'we (all of a sudden) need to look into it!'
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Dec 12 23:03:57
shitbag McConnell
http://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1205311801212190727

TLDR: 'i'll do whatever i can to abuse my position to protect the President, but i can't just kill this all by myself like i can w/ all the stuff the House sends over'

i'm more annoyed by the second part actually... there should be no 'if i don't like it, we don't take it up'... how could 1 person as gatekeeper to all legislation be what the founding fathers intended

make people vote, there should be a record of who is supporting what

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 13 12:47:41
"
We have agreed to a very large Phase One Deal with China. They have agreed to many structural changes and massive purchases of Agricultural Product, Energy, and Manufactured Goods, plus much more. The 25% Tariffs will remain as is, with 7 1/2% put on much of the remainder....
....The Penalty Tariffs set for December 15th will not be charged because of the fact that we made the deal. We will begin negotiations on the Phase Two Deal immediately, rather than waiting until after the 2020 Election. This is an amazing deal for all. Thank you!
"

Trump said it so it's obvious false... but how false... we shall see...

(just posting for reference)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 13 13:21:06
Giuliani is visiting the White House today after his latest dirt-digging-up trip to Ukraine...

i guess R's have to stop complaining about Steele

Hillary's campaign hires oppo research firm for info on Trump, they hire investigator to look into Trump's activities in Russia, he gathers intel so concerning he turns it over to the FBI (& fully states from start it's raw unverified intel & estimates 70% accuracy), no public reveal until after election


whereas Trump directly has Giuliani go to Ukraine for info on Biden & Obama era stuff (we'll see what all he's claiming)... & i'll predict it's 'straight to Hannity' stuff rather than to law enforcement, & no admitting it's inaccurate
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 13 15:01:23
more of corrupt McConnell
http://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1205313262394449920

it's like he doesn't know he's on TV... he should be immediately removed based on all his Hannity interview comments

if anyone plans to defend him, please include his above [Thu Dec 12 23:03:57] video comments where he laments not being able to cancel impeachment on his own & notes he'll be in lockstep w/ the White House whenever able... as a 'juror'...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 13 16:37:32
WASHINGTON (AP) _ Supreme Court to hear subpoena fights over Trump financial records; decisions likely by late June, amid campaign

-----------

"If I decide to run for office, I’ll produce my tax returns, absolutely... and I would love to do that."
~ 2014

"In interview I told @AP that my taxes are under routine audit and I would release my tax returns when audit is complete, not after election!"
~ May 2016

"I'm the most transparent president in history"
~ various times

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 13 22:53:24
Rudy Giuliani had to use a translation app to read Russian documents during his dirt-digging trip to Europe because his former translators, Lev Parnas & Igor Fruman, were... unavailable.

"Despite whatever else you can say, I missed them" he told the @WSJ

[his fraud/mafia criminal friends]

=============

also apparently it will be 'straight to OAN' material not 'straight to Hannity' as i guessed above (OAN being the network Trump has been trying to pump up as even more loyal than Fox)

not a huge difference
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Dec 14 13:05:23
"if Mueller had found something against Trump, I would've been his loudest critic"
~ lying Lindsey Graham

Mueller did find something... an entire volume of things...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Dec 14 14:37:00
Ivanka Trump Answered Questions From Her Own Spokesperson In An Interview In The Middle East

...
In a room packed with high level officials from around the world, Ivanka answered admiring questions about her pet project advocating for women’s economic development from a spokesperson for her own government, who is also working on the project.

“One of the things that I love about what you’re doing to help women around the world is that you have tied economic security, global stability and countries national security interest with how they treat women,” began Morgan Ortagus, a current State Department spokesperson and former Fox News contributor.

The forum typically hosts tough interviews, and an array of senior leaders took hard questions before and after Trump spoke. Turkish foreign minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu responded to allegations of war crimes committed by his government in Syria, and long time Rwandan President Paul Kagame was asked about term limits. South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham also sparred with an interviewer over impeachment.
...

http://www...ions-from-her-own-spokesperson

a family of frauds...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Dec 14 21:29:00
"
Hard to believe that @FoxNews will be interviewing sleazebag & totally discredited former FBI Director James Comey, & also corrupt politician Adam “Shifty” Schiff. Fox is trying sooo hard to be politically correct, and yet they were totally shut out from the failed Dem debates!

Both Commiecast MSNBC & Fake News CNN are watching their Ratings TANK. Fredo on CNN is dying. Don’t know why @FoxNews wants to be more like them? They’ll all die together as other outlets take their place. Only pro Trump Fox shows do well. Rest are nothing. How’s Shep doing?
"
~ dictator child

I'm sure Obama could've said shit like that...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Dec 14 21:30:50
"
The last time I spoke to Debbie Dingell was her call thanking me for granting top memorial and funeral service honors for her then just departed husband, long time Congressman John Dingell. Now I watch her ripping me as part of the Democrats Impeachment Hoax. Really pathetic!
"
~ human garbage

he also complained about not being worshipped enough after 'allowing' McCains state funeral or something
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Dec 15 00:19:45
"Forbes put together a list of the 100 most powerful women in the world. Ivanka Trump is I think number 42. [applause]. Number 1 though, Angela Merkel, who you know she famously praised... she's been praised for standing up to Donald Trump."
~ Steve Doocy on Fox & Friends

what the hell kind of lens is that psycho viewing the world...

his most notable take from the list is Ivanka's placement, and Merkel's most notable achievement is standing up to Trump

& you people complain about me :p


then they had more complaints about Ivanka not being higher... obviously

Fox News = shit
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Dec 15 18:38:57
Question: "You yourself accused [Trump] of bribery. Why did you decide not to make bribery one of the articles of impeachment."

Speaker Pelosi: "This was a decision that was recommended by working together with our committee chairs, our attorneys and the rest."


twitter responses:

"Because it wasn’t true"
~ capo Meadows

"Because Nancy’s teeth were falling out of her mouth, and she didn’t have time to think!"
~ someone who is not where they belong

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 16 01:06:57
"
So now Comey’s admitting he was wrong. Wow, but he’s only doing so because he got caught red handed. He was actually caught a long time ago. So what are the consequences for his unlawful conduct. Could it be years in jail? Where are the apologies to me and others, Jim?
"
~asshole liar


Comey did not admit to any wrong-doing (& nothing related to Trump), there is no unlawful conduct, absolutely no apology needed for Trump... Trump should apologize to Comey, the FBI, & the American people



swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Mon Dec 16 09:31:11
Comey: 'I was wrong' to say FISA process was 'followed'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yfXxeJn3Tc&feature=emb_logo
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 16 12:45:30
cite one claim made by Trump about Comey or the FBI that has been shown to be accurate

Comey is arguing that nothing Trump has been saying was demonstrated in IG report & that's why feeling vindicated, all the smears against the FBI discredited (not that anyone watching Fox or Trump's twitter will hear it)

but he still acknowledges faults in the FISA process (which was on Carter Page, who had left campaign before first FISA ever issued) No indication he was pursued as some effort to take down Trump, none at all... plus would be the worst possible choice of target in that purpose...

& the 'i was wrong' quote was him admitting he was wrong when he had said he had 'confidence the FISA process followed' a year ago (that's not a lie, not a crime)

there's absolutely NO confession to criminal activity (& no allegation of criminal activity by Comey)

yet the PRESIDENT, head of executive branch, once again baselessly suggesting someone needs to go to prison

IT IS RIDICULOUS that kargen accepts this... (& millions of other fucked-up people)


Trump is pretending the report backed him up (even though it did ZERO of that) & continuing to falsely smear the FBI & it's people

IT IS RIDICULOUS that kargen accepts this... (& millions of other fucked-up people)

(^intentional repetition)

you can have concerns about the FISA process & mistakes, but there is no indication at all it's a Trump vs Deep State issue

seems like a general 'cops want their warrants' issue

Trump is total & complete garbage
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 16 17:38:06
Giuliani to New Yorker:

"I believed that I needed Yovanovitch out of the way. She was going to make the investigations difficult for everybody."


that's the anti-corruption ambassador Giuliani launched a smear campaign against to get Trump to remove her

a private citizen (& lawyer/friend of many frauds) got one of those frauds to remove an ambassador so he could more easily conduct his personal investigations w/ the help of credibility-challenged Ukrainians

totally normal stuff

and Giuliani has taken to OAN his claims that those credibility-challenged Ukrainians have proof that Yovanovitch lied under oath & of money laundering & other random claims such as Shokin dying twice from poisonings

good to know

can't wait til the next D is president & private citizens can be dispatched to every country to disrupt policy, get ambassadors fired, and investigate the families of every Republican politician
kargen
Member
Mon Dec 16 19:21:36
"you can have concerns about the FISA process & mistakes, but there is no indication at all it's a Trump vs Deep State issue"

If you go to the grocery store and there are 17 mistakes on your receipt all over charging are you going to think oh just honest mistakes and go on your merry way?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 16 20:58:47
not the point

please cite the error that proves someone was merely out to get Trump... (in the dumbest way possible by choosing to do their corrupt acts on Carter Page)

Trump/Fox is pretending all these things shows they just wanted to get Trump (even though the report specifically does not conclude that)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 16 21:00:07
it's really disgusting and disappointing how hard it is for you Trump people to see through the obvious bullshit
(and yes, you are a Trump person)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 16 21:33:28
"We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of political bias or improper motivation influenced the FBIs decision to seek FISA authority on Carter Page"
~ in the report's executive summary

and I stress again, Carter Page was a total nobody in the campaign... not the origin of the investigation (and neither was the Steele dossier). How many Fox viewers know that I wonder.

I don't know if he was even paid but he deserves a fortune for how much mileage Trump/Fox have gotten out of him and that FISA.

kargen
Member
Mon Dec 16 21:55:52
"please cite the error that proves someone was merely out to get Trump..."

Remember way way back when we were arguing about the paid prostitute and you argued that we could know intent by looking at a pattern of behavior?

Apply that same logic here and there is only one sane conclusion. Of course intent can't be proven here any more than you can prove intent with a certain phone call but you are trying to have it both ways. By your logic there in no conclusion we can reach other than they were out to get President Trump.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 16 22:11:14
"there is only one sane conclusion"
that the guy in charge of investigating it didn't find, weird


facts:
the investigation started w/ Papadopolous
upon gathering info, it expanded to Manafort, Flynn, & the mighty Carter Page

all 17 FISA errors are about Carter Page (he's the only one they got FISA warrants/renewals on)

your/Trump/Fox CRAZY theory: the 'insurance policy' of Strzok (who had a completely reasonable explanation) was actually to corruptly work to get a FISA on Carter Page... after he left campaign... that's what's going to get Trump

not trying to investigate maybe Kushner? or god forbid Trump himself?... Carter Page was the key

& no planting of evidence on anyone, just corruptly getting the warrant to listen in on him...


if other FISA's are investigated & similar issues pop up, are you going to be shocked?

you people are nuts (& Fox News is actively harming the nation daily, just like Trump)

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 16 22:14:50
and on the bullshit campaign by the disgusting Retrumplicants... as i noted before, one of the trash R's in the Ukraine hearings claimed if the FISA abuse hadn't happened there would have been no Russia investigation

he must be an avid Fox News watcher

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 16 22:21:00
another Giuliani confession:
http://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1206777761756401664

"I didn’t need her out of the way, I forced her out because she’s corrupt"

a good thing he took his 'evidence' to the State Dept... oh wait, he didn't... just OAN
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 17 02:01:08
"The only proven serious foreign interference was engaged by the DNC, Hillary Clinton's campaign when they got England, Italy, Russia, Ukraine, maybe Australia the ambassador there... all of these other people involved in our election to try to defeat Donald Trump."
~ Louie Gohmert (R)

video of it:
http://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1206765832895782912

so many quality people running our gov't

his bio says he was an attorney and former judge... yikes... at least it was in Texas where you just assume the judges are nuts

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 17 12:07:43
"
Yovanovitch needed to be removed for many reasons most critical she was denying visas to Ukrainians who wanted to come to US and explain Dem corruption in Ukraine. She was OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE and that’s not the only thing she was doing. She at minimum enabled Ukrainian collusion.
"
~ Rudy

...which explains the flood of Ukrainians who have now come to the US to explain Dem corruption since they got rid of her in May

...and if only there was a way to transmit information across the sea
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 17 12:18:12
Rudy was asked when he would present his evidence to the DOJ
Rudy replied "all in good time"

--------

so he's running this investigation by the book... release a bunch of allegations on twitter & pro-Trump media, then provide the supposed evidence of criminal activity (that he supposedly already has) to the DOJ at some future time of his choosing

textbook


the DOJ should raid his offices & homes :p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 17 13:10:13
U.S. prosecutors said in court on Tuesday that Lev Parnas, an associate of U.S. President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, received a $1 million payment from a lawyer for Ukrainian oligarch Dmytro Firtash.
http://www...garch-prosecutor-idUSKBN1YL26B

(U.S. federal prosecutors described Firtash in 2017 court papers as an associate of Russian organized crime.)~wiki

Lev is part of the mafia/fraud duo who was helping Rudy w/ his investigations (instead of anyone from the DOJ)... & who was talking w/ Devin Nunes for some reason...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 17 13:45:13
unhinged ranting by Trump to Pelosi (translated into sentences & paragraphs by a ghostwriter)

http://www...from-President-Trump-final.pdf

"Even worse than offending the Founding Fathers, you are offending Americans of faith by continually saying "I pray for the President" when you know this statement is not true, unless it is meant in a negative sense. It is a terrible thing you are doing, but you will have to live with it, not I!"
-------------

i recall an amoral conman fraud standing at podiums declaring the bible was his favorite book...

=================================

"I then mentioned the Attorney General"

except you never mentioned anything to the AG...

==================================

"I have been denied... the right to present evidence"

NOPE

==================================

+ lots of his standard arguments put into more adult language... by an adult... (i only skimmed, the pray thing seemed the most amusing...)

TJ
Member
Tue Dec 17 16:45:14
FISA court slams FBI conduct in Carter Page surveillance warrant applications. We are in the beginning of exposure.

Looking for a triple feature.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 17 16:53:32
yeah, they are worried about the process

pretty weird since it was all just corrupt acts to get Trump that don't happen in other cases...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 17 23:19:50
"
So, if Comey & the top people in the FBI were dirty cops and cheated on the FISA Court, wouldn’t all of these phony cases have to be overturned or dismissed? They went after me with the Fake Dossier, paid for by Crooked Hillary & the DNC, which they illegally presented to FISA...
....They want to Impeach me (I’m not worried!), and yet they were all breaking the law in so many ways.
"
~ unfit ball of shit

====================

there is no conclusion the top people were dirty cops

WHOLLY UNACCEPTABLE CLAIM BY THE PRESIDENT

------------

"wouldn’t all of these phony cases have to be overturned or dismissed"

Carter Page's FISA was integral in convicting Manafort, Flynn, Stone, Cohen, whomever else...? i kinda doubt it, plus i don't believe any conclusion that the Page FISA wouldn't have been approved had there been no faults

so this is the PRESIDENT asking for criminal cases be overturned based on misrepresenting the report...

WHOLLY UNACCEPTABLE CLAIM BY THE PRESIDENT

------------

"illegally presented to FISA"

Trump doesn't have a good track record on knowing what is illegal...

=====

"they were all breaking the law in so many ways."

please detail

==========

kargen's an idiot as he won't have a problem w/ any of this


hopefully at least an impeachment in the House will happen tomorrow & stain this total piece of garbage's legacy forever... although he deserves removed immediately for SO MANY reasons...

Habebe
Member
Tue Dec 17 23:28:13
You guys put way too much effort into something he will be squirted on regardless.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 17 23:28:56
plenty more total bullshit on his feed as you'd imagine

i'll assume everyone (not crazy) will be quietly outraged
Habebe
Member
Tue Dec 17 23:38:17
Tw , Mabry you should chill. Meditate, take a kolonopin and get paid...your way too angry.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 17 23:44:11
i am at the appropriate level of being irritated & disturbed

others are crazy... especially kargen :p
Habebe
Member
Wed Dec 18 00:04:59
Paid = laid ....

I really dont get why democrats seem so angry. Most ppl dont seem to care at all this as seen on this weekend's Meet the press.

Even Pelosi knew ahead of time this was just a political stunt he wasn't going to bw dound guilty they just wanted to sway opinion for the election....didnt work.
Habebe
Member
Wed Dec 18 00:05:00
Paid = laid ....

I really dont get why democrats seem so angry. Most ppl dont seem to care at all this as seen on this weekend's Meet the press.

Even Pelosi knew ahead of time this was just a political stunt he wasn't going to bw dound guilty they just wanted to sway opinion for the election....didnt work.
Habebe
Member
Wed Dec 18 00:06:35
Anyway you being angry as much as you seem is like drinking poison in the hopes that trump dies....just relax.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 18 00:36:32
it is important that history shows there was at least an effort to remove this totally unfit piece of shit

i would never have imagined someone so detached from truth could exist, or someone who could take the job of President so non-seriously... (not reading briefings, not paying attention to oral ones, disdain for experts, deciding if someone is trustworthy by if they praise him, completely inventing bullshit on a regular basis, incapable of stating any accomplishment without exaggeration, taking credit for so many things that have nothing to do with him, absolutely no understanding of basic concepts like NATO funding, and surprisingly more...)

and we know have a better grasp of the threat of Fox News for being able to make this... thing... seem acceptable to its audience

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 18 00:37:46
*know = now

(& kargen = crazy)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 18 00:41:30
and my unfitness list failed to mention him undermining faith in elections, intel agencies (FBI in particular), media, judges, etc w/ total lies... plus the frequent baseless accusations of crimes...

^too enormously significant not to be in the list

a TOTALLY absurd presidency
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 18 11:49:01
impeachment vote proceedings:

some dick R just claimed the only witnesses called to testify were ones that fit the Dems predetermined narrative

every single person w/ relevant knowledge was requested to testify, just Trump blocked all he could (& even one he blocked, confessed on camera)

...plus 2 people on the R's list -were- called, every single other person R's wanted clearly would not have had any relevant knowledge to Trumps actions & motives
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 18 11:53:20
"
SUCH ATROCIOUS LIES BY THE RADICAL LEFT, DO NOTHING DEMOCRATS. THIS IS AN ASSAULT ON AMERICA, AND AN ASSAULT ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!!!!
"
~ unhinged fraud

note his repeated claim of this being an attack on the whole Republican party, nope, it's just you, dickbag

the argument of 'he said do -us- a favor' is such nonsense... it's in his nature to disguise his selfishness
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 18 12:00:23
Food inspectors warn of 'mystery' pork under new meat inspection rules
http://the...pork-under-new-meat-inspection
(less inspectors & faster processing)

#MakeAmericaChina
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 18 12:02:19
*fewer... sorry Stannis
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 18 12:09:16
ugh... both sides still have 150+ minutes left to keep saying their same points (w/ R's all being garbage :p)
kargen
Member
Wed Dec 18 12:26:42
Yeah they could skip the entire thing. The Democrats have nothing to impeach on and both sides know it so both sides are doing little speeches to help them get reelected. They are all looking to get in the one liner that will make the news cycle and that is all that is happening.

You can tell some of the Democrats do not believe what they are saying by their body language. I'm guessing the ones that do believe what they are saying suffer the same delusions and derangement tumbleweed suffers.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 18 12:33:55
"You can tell some of the Democrats do not believe what they are saying by their body language"

from the guy who says you need to be a mind reader to figure out the bone-head obvious motives of Trump...


did you see the R who just finished saying this is about people wanting Hillary elected & this was to fix it? Mike Pence is not Hillary (unless its the biggest shock ending to this reality show ever)
TJ
Member
Wed Dec 18 12:40:45
What matters is what we are experiencing, a pure partisan impeachment.

The Constitution is functioning as intended.

Sole power of impeachment to the House.
Sole power of conviction to the Senate.
Habebe
Member
Wed Dec 18 12:55:52
TW, you said the witnesses would not have had anything to do with Trumps " motives"

Hunter Biden definitley could have shed light on his motives since he is the person Trump wanted investigated.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 18 12:58:07
partisan only as the R's are fucked in the head (and Amash left the party because of it... they consider 1 person as making it bipartisan so it would've been bipartisan if the R party not so grossly fucked up)


did the IG report determine the heads of the FBI were dirty cops?

WHY IS IT ACCEPTABLE FOR THE PRESIDENT TO SAY SO

a drop in his unfitness bucket

totally ridiculous
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 18 12:59:04
what question would you ask Hunter Biden that would shed light on Trump's motives?

we know the sum total of info Trump had on Hunter Biden (it's whatever Fox News has said)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 18 13:01:11
...& i'm talking about motives for holding up aid & other official business which is what the impeachment is about

(although Hunter would shed no light on any Trump motives for anything)
TJ
Member
Wed Dec 18 13:10:32
"did the IG report determine the heads of the FBI were dirty cops?"

Hold onto your judgment. The fat lady is still singing. I realize that was a question.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 18 13:13:08
i have to hold my judgment but the PRESIDENT can repeatedly accuse the people of crimes & declare them dirty cops

great

you have joined kargen on the crazy list

the country has gone NUTS



meanwhile R's still talking about the whistleblower & complaining about other witnesses not testifying... the ONLY relevant ones were held up by Trump & they couldn't care less
jergul
large member
Wed Dec 18 13:18:58
Lèse-majesté

The only way to explain why Trump is currently going batshit crazy on twitter.

The dignity of Clinton's blowjob is sure looking great by comparison.
TJ
Member
Wed Dec 18 13:19:28
I haven't joined anyone. You can say as you wish, but no single person or group is the decider of my personal views.
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