Utopia Talk / Politics / speaking of 2020...

Sam Adams Member	Sat Dec 28 13:31:23 In addition to england being Siberian, i remember a certain other ridiculous claim. Lol jergul
jergul large member	Sat Dec 28 13:39:17 12.5 by 2020 in nominal terms? We are a mere currency adjustment away. But remember if you will that the predication was pre-quantitive easing. Who would have thunk? The federal reserve is gearing up to buy treasury bonds again (it still holds a couple trillion). You sell your debt at auction. So it is very helpful that the federal reserve prints money to underbid other buyers. It helps keep interest rates down. I laugh at anyone who is pro-US economy and pro-free market economy (aka Adam Smith's invisible hand). The two are incompatible. You would be closer to the mark as communists.
Rugian Member	Sat Dec 28 14:18:49 jergul and his rabid anti-Americanism do lead him to some strange conclusions sometimes. Like that the American economy will implode, or that the American military can't possibly withstand the almighty power of some random Russian missile series. Meanwhile Europe literally has to import Muslim rapists to keep its population count from falling off a cliff. LOL
jergul large member	Sat Dec 28 18:15:14 First off. Declining birth rates are a feature, not a bug. You really should leave your viral mindset. It does not even qualify as single celled life. What missile series in particularly were you thinking the US military could possibly withstand? I never suggested implosion, but rather a gradual shift towards a new normal. But of course, that was 15 years ago. Right now, you are running QE in everything but name while the economy is doing "great". Exactly when do you think excess dollar liquidity will start to inflate more than stock values? It will certainly be in time to screw Generation X out of their 401ks. Because, well, do you really think the boomers are going to leave anything behind?
Pillz Member	Sat Dec 28 18:53:34 Population drop is the result of a learned collective social phenomenon, not a feature.
Pillz Member	Sat Dec 28 18:54:21 "Exactly when do you think excess dollar liquidity will start to inflate more than stock values?" I don't know why more people don't realize this cliff is coming up
Dukhat Member	Sat Dec 28 19:08:54 Population drop would be happening at the same rate in America too were it not for America letting in lots of immigrants ... which is something Trump wants us to stop. So doing what Trump wants makes us more like Europe. Why do you to make us like Europe you cucks?
TJ Member	Sat Dec 28 19:32:40 A credit economy can't survive forever without balancing it with growth. A professional economist wouldn't state it so simply.
Pillz Member	Sat Dec 28 19:48:01 Cuckhat is so stupid
jergul large member	Sat Dec 28 20:01:53 Pillz "Population drop is the result of a learned collective social phenomenon, not a feature" First off, significant population drop is not even implied over the course of the next generations. Secondly, you say that as if social phenomenon contradicts feature. In a wider evolutionary sense, it seems proven that mammals deal poorly with population growth. Equilibrium is always found at levels way below max populations achieved. We can decrease our population in many ways. Decreased birth rates is by far the most elegant. The other variants tend to be messy.
jergul large member	Sat Dec 28 20:08:29 TJ A credit economy will always survive (credit is probably hardwired. You pick my nits, I'll pick yours after), but will tend towards an equilibrium.
Pillz Member	Sat Dec 28 20:13:00 Are you following? Europe has population drop off, you say it's fine because of overpopulation, but also want to import the populations of Somali, Afghanistan, and Syria whole sale into the continent. A leveling off is normal. But that decreased birthrates are predominantly a symptom of prosperity and wealth is decidedly atypical of mammals. Its a cancer as much as uncheck reproduction by the poor and the foreign.
TJ Member	Sat Dec 28 20:13:28 "but will tend towards an equilibrium." Absolutely, a new equilibrium. The transition is where all the pain resides.
Dukhat Member	Sat Dec 28 20:45:03 Pillz trying to pretend what he said wasn't fucking stupid to begin with. Reactionaries have tiny brains and can't sustain an argument or rational thought. Nobody wants to import African populations you stupid fuck. It's a dichotomy created because your brain can't grasp the more intricate realities so you pigeonhole people into black-and-white positions. And you calling other people stupid. Did you even finish high school you stupid fuck?
jergul large member	Sat Dec 28 21:12:42 Pillz Two countries in Europe have more immigrants as a percentage of the population than the USA. They would have far less if internal migration had been discounted. Nobody wants to import workers from out of area, but many feel a moral obligation to accept refugees. A leveling off to equilibrium within the ecosystem is normal. We are not even in the ball park, nor will we be for many generations. Birth rates are falling globally, so claiming unchecked anywhere is overstating the case. You sure are fond of many people for one who dislikes humanity so much.
jergul large member	Sat Dec 28 21:16:27 6.3% of EU's population were born in non-EU countries. So about half that of the US. Wiki.
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