Utopia Talk / Politics / Who buys this ? Target audience?

Habebe Member	Sun Dec 29 02:52:35 http://www...0545&hvtargid=pla-827643706987
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 29 03:05:53 Lower middle class mainland Chinese citizens who have been paid to shill for Beijing policies?
jergul large member	Sun Dec 29 03:57:21 The same kind of people who might claim Guam is American I suppose.
Habebe Member	Sun Dec 29 04:06:24 Jergul, We actually have some people very concerned about Guam.Henry Johnson for example was in fear that building a military base in Guam could capsize the island....dead serious.What makesniy better? He is a congressman. Cherub, I seen the model being an American looking white chick and literally just burst out laughing.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 29 05:16:20 She probably figured it was her big break ;D
The Children Member	Sun Dec 29 05:16:21 that is one amazing shirt and the model is hot too!!!! YEA, added in wishlist.
Rugian Member	Sun Dec 29 08:48:53 Habebe, Have you ever met a Chinese ex-pat? Half of them are ridiculously nationalistic. Its doubtless a product of receiving a patriotic education (get the kids when they're young and highly impressionable - why do you think the far left dominates academia here?)
Pillz Member	Sun Dec 29 10:59:16 10/10 shirt on an attractive model. China still winning
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Dec 29 11:09:03 "why do you think the far left dominates academia here?" Please define "far left" and then provide published evidence for your claim.
Rugian Member	Sun Dec 29 12:56:29 I'm not sure what the point is in arguing with someone who isn't going to acknowledge a fact that's as self-evident as the Sun, but just to throw out my position: "Please define "far left"" See: the SJW movement, as well as the post-2016 Democratic Party in general. "and then provide published evidence for your claim." "[R]esearch [on the ideological leanings of professors] was conducted by Samuel J. Abrams, a professor of politics at Sarah Lawrence College and a research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. He used data from the Higher Education Research Institute at the University of California, Los Angeles, which conducts periodic surveys of faculty members and asks them, among other things, about their political views. Recent surveys have shown that faculty members are moving more to the left than has been the case in the past. Abrams used data that the Higher Education Research Institute provided him to look for patterns on the impact of discipline, type of college and other factors. He found that region was the most significant factor, even controlling for institution type of discipline of faculty members. (The HERI data are on four-year college and university faculty members, and much research suggests that community college faculty members are more centrist than are their four-year colleagues.) In 2014, Abrams found that nationally, colleges and universities had a six to one ratio of liberal to conservative professors. In New England, the figure was 28 to one." http://www...ble-left-leaning-professoriate "A few months ago, Mitchell Langbert, an associate professor of business at Brooklyn College, published a study of the political affiliations of faculty members at 51 of the 66 liberal-arts colleges ranked highest by U.S. News in 2017. The findings are eye-popping (even if they do not come as a great surprise to many people in academia). "Democrats dominate most fields. In religion, Langbert’s survey found that the ratio of Democrats to Republicans is 70 to 1. In music, it is 33 to 1. In biology, it is 21 to 1. In philosophy, history and psychology, it is 17 to 1. In political science, it is 8 to 1. The gap is narrower in science and engineering. In physics, economics and mathematics, the ratio is about 6 to 1. In chemistry, it is 5 to 1, and in engineering, it is just 1.6 to 1. Still, Lambert found no field in which Republicans are more numerous than Democrats. True, these figures do not include the many professors who do not have a political affiliation, either because they are not registered at all or because they have not declared themselves as Democrats or Republicans. And, true, the ratios vary dramatically across colleges. The faculties of Wellesley, Williams and Swarthmore are overwhelmingly Democratic, with ratios at or above 120 to 1. At Harvey Mudd and Lafayette, the ratios are 6 to 1. At the U.S. Naval Academy at Annapolis, it is 2.3 to 1; it is just 1.3 to 1 at West Point. But despite the variability, none of the 51 colleges had more Republicans than Democrats. According to the survey, over a third of them had no Republicans at all." http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2019/07/univeristy-political-bias-partisan-duke-are-duke-professors-politically-biased-yes-and-no
Rugian Member	Sun Dec 29 13:06:15 Or you could look at it from the other side, and see what the education system is actually producing: "70% of millennials say they'd vote for a socialist 50% of millennials and 51% of Generation Z have a somewhat or very unfavorable view of capitalism — increases of 8 and 6 percentage points from last year. Meanwhile, the share of millennials who say they are "extremely likely" to vote for a candidate who identifies as a socialist doubled. 19% of millennials and 12% of Gen Z [also] said they thought the Communist Manifesto "better guarantees freedom and equality for all" than the Declaration of Independence. That's compared to just 2% of baby boomers and 5% of Gen X." http://www...53-45c4-9191-2de1808dc661.html "40% of Millennials OK with limiting speech offensive to minorities By Jacob Poushter American Millennials are far more likely than older generations to say the government should be able to prevent people from saying offensive statements about minority groups, according to a new analysis of Pew Research Center survey data on free speech and media across the globe. Even though a larger share of Millennials favor allowing offensive speech against minorities, the 40% who oppose it is striking given that only around a quarter of Gen Xers (27%) and Boomers (24%) and roughly one-in-ten Silents (12%) say the government should be able to prevent such speech." http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ Things like a love of socialism and contempt for First Amendment protections are not natural occurrences...these are learned traits, instilled in young students by their educational wardens.
Habebe Member	Sun Dec 29 14:23:21 Tc is the target audience...hahaha...of course.
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Dec 29 14:46:04 Ok, so "far left" to you is pretty much anyone that is left of center. That's what I figured, but I just wanted to make sure that's how you defined it. In that case, you're right, there's no point in discussing anything with someone that views such things like you do. Thanks.
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Dec 29 14:48:35 Now, if you ever want a real discussion about the distribution of left and right in U.S. academia (including geographic and departmental distributions), feel free to try again some day.
Rugian Member	Sun Dec 29 15:05:53 "I don't think the contemporary Democratic Party has veered way to the left over the last several years." - some absolutely delusional guy
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Dec 29 15:07:07 "Anything left of center is 'far left' these days." -Rugian
Rugian Member	Sun Dec 29 15:09:27 "Bona fide freedom-hating socialists are just 'kinda left of center'" - HOer
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Dec 29 15:11:42 "I'm not a fan of identity politics and racism...unless it benefits whites." -Rugian
Rugian Member	Sun Dec 29 15:16:39 "Even though the Democratic Party has moved so far to the left that current presidential candidates are being forced to apologize for supporting policies that were mainstream in the 1990s, I don't discern any shift because I have the memory of a goldfish." - Guess who
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Dec 29 15:21:37 lol, well I'll give you credit, you do provide some amusement to a day of multitasking.
Dukhat Member	Sun Dec 29 15:21:43 Give Rugian some credit for once. His sources were not Breitbart-level shit for once though the evidence he used doesn't support his conclusions. 1. Professors do indeed tend to be left-leaning just like pastors and reverends tend to be right-leaning. But even going to Berkeley, no professor ever attempted to brainwash me. In fact, being very far left has a reactionary effect and I came out a raging conservative. And there are still conservative professors and they are not oppressed in any way. They just have to do what everybody else does in an academic profession: be able to cite their research and present a well-reasoned argument. The fact that very few "conservatives" do this nowadays is a testament more to the rampant ignorance among conservatives rather than the rampant bias among colleges. The fact that there are actually conservative professors is quite different from what you can find in places like "liberty" university or any evangelical church where they literally brainwash you in a billion ways and don't use evidence at all. There are no "liberals" at places like liberty university or in evangelical churches. Blaming liberals is, like always, a Republican attempt to project away from their own sins. 2. As for millenials being more socialist: that has way more to do with the fact that millenials are getting raped by Republican economics. They were hurt the most by the almost-depression caused by Bush. And they are hurt the most by Boomer policies to inflate asset prices with loose money and reckless tax cuts for the rich. They are already behind on many economic benchmarks versus previous generations and now find housing more and more unaffordable. This has absolutely nothing to do with liberal professors but shitty Republican welfare-for-the-rich policies that favor those that already have money. ************** Kudos to rugian for at least providing non-retarded sources. But the sources he provided in no way supported the conclusions he came too which were a huge stretch versus what the articles actually said.
Forwyn Member	Sun Dec 29 21:15:10 "that has way more to do with the fact that millenials are getting raped by Republican economics." lmfao Millennials aren't hurt by skyrocketing education and housing costs, they're hurt by other people paying less taxes. That's why it costs 3x as much to rent a Uhaul from Fresno to Dallas as vice versa, because people are fleeing to...oh...low-tax, business-friendly states
Dukhat Member	Sun Dec 29 22:18:56 Reactionaries going to reactionary. You distract with a completely unimportant and irrelevant point.
Dukhat Member	Sun Dec 29 22:25:47 How deep Foreskin's stupidity will be shown below: We all know Bush's tax cuts were fucking stupid. Not only did they explode the debt, leaving little room to fight the ensuing great recession with stimulus (which included a ton of tax cuts); they didn't stimulate the economy at all. In fact, almost all of the extra money was used in highly speculative investments that collapsed. The rich simply had nothing to do with the extra money and plowed it into assets. The same thing is happening today. Only it's worse because Trump's tax cuts hit mainly the super rich whereas the Bush tax cuts were more across the board. So boomers are happy because they are about to cash out of their retirement accounts anyways. But anyone not a boomer? You have to be a fucking idiot to think Republicans have done anything but rape you in the ass. Younger generations are on the line for the huge deficits and do not benefit at all from asset inflation. What's funny is that all the younger cuckservatives on board are so happy at getting raped because they can't read any farther than the most recent Breitbart headline constantly distracting the about irrelevant things. Reactionaries gonna be reactionary. Congrats on getting fucked and being happy about it dumbasses.
Forwyn Member	Mon Dec 30 12:30:10 GOP should always accompany cuts with cuts in spending. But they're cucks, and cutting spending is sometimes unpopular, so they just grab the tax cuts and roll. But states like California should fucking love federal tax cuts - it means they can increase their own taxation and roll out their own healthcare projects, address their housing crisis, etc. Instead you wanna bitch about "muh rich" and whine that everything has to be done on the scale of the European Union - a state larger than every Nordic nation, put together - can't accomplish anything on its own. lol.
Habebe Member	Mon Dec 30 14:27:58 "GOP should always accompany cuts with cuts in spending." Agreed, This whole " they will pay for themselves " 1. doesnt seem to happen. 2. Even IF it did, wouldn't we still want to double down to pay off the debt?
Dukhat Member	Mon Dec 30 19:55:01 More generalities and Republican talking points. Conclusions without evidence posited as evidence. Stuck on stupid.
jergul large member	Tue Dec 31 05:21:24 "California should fucking love federal tax cuts - it means they can increase their own taxation" I would have laughed if Cal had actually mirrored the federal tax cut with a windfall corporate tax making up the difference. Yay State powers?
Habebe Member	Tue Dec 31 06:00:24 Jergul, Why see that you may have some conservative in you yet.
jergul large member	Tue Dec 31 07:13:21 Habebe I am pretty conservative. Everyone agrees that unfettered capitalism is crazy (see 1990s Russia or 1880s USA for details). The beast has to be chained to serve its masters. Chaining the beast means regulations. Regulations means rules. We are the masters. We make the rules. We just differ on how much weight the beast should pull.
Habebe Member	Wed Jan 01 07:08:18 Well in this case , I meant your support of state ( localized) government. But as far capitalism goes you and I probably are not too far off.
jergul large member	Wed Jan 01 07:42:26 Heh, that is a given. I live at about same latitude as Dead Horse, Alaska. Oslo is far, far away.
Forwyn Member	Wed Jan 01 10:59:11 Sacramento is pretty far from Anaheim. But not as far as DC.
Habebe Member	Wed Jan 01 12:33:40 Jergul, near hammerfest?
jergul large member	Wed Jan 01 14:09:12 South-West of it. Tromsø. I did have my appendix out in Hammerfest (I grew up in a small village not far from the Soviet border). It had the closest surgery (a mere two hours away by car).
jergul large member	Wed Jan 01 14:14:57 Forwyn I tend to compare Norway to a US state. Small population and a high dependency on the US or the EU (depending on what addiction we are thinking of). So Oslo in that sense would be an Anaheim (Anne's home in Norwegian if you spelled it with two ns). We might as well be a federated part of something (as indeed we were. A Royal Union with Denmark 1660-1814. About a month of independence. Then a political union with Sweden 1814-1905.
TJ Member	Wed Jan 01 16:46:30 jergul: The Volda Floating Home caught my interest. What is your opinion on the place that has the best accommodations in Tromsa if I were to take such a trip.
jergul large member	Wed Jan 01 16:57:52 Heh, yah. That used to be a working ferry. I know of the couple that fixed it up. We are technically not a fjord, but a sound. They are overselling on their website :). I would airbnb it. A lot of people still use it for interactive purposes. They rent out to meet new people from strange lands. The money is secondary.
TJ Member	Wed Jan 01 17:13:40 Yeah, I've checked out some places, and reviews are so so, that is why I asked. I haven't been able to find accommodations that the wife is satisfied with and may never be able to do. Money isn't a roadblock.
jergul large member	Wed Jan 01 17:23:49 Heh. Comme ca? In that case, "The Edge" is good. I know of the woman who recently took over as hotel director (funny that I seem to keep on knowing of people. You don't get that in major cities :). We would show you *stuff* of course, but there are advantages to being close to where all day trips start from (whale safaris for example. Our pods of black-white dolphins are not the same ones you have off the west coast).
TJ Member	Wed Jan 01 17:38:02 Yes, like that. It looks pretty sweet, thanks. I've also been looking at condo's and apartments. I'm thinking between May and August. I had read the history of the Volda.
TJ Member	Wed Jan 01 18:06:45 The wife and I take a nice trip every year. I do all the research for a new location, go figure. We maintain 10 locations that we'd like to visit and draw one every year. One chance out of ten so it will be added to the draw. She enjoys the excitement of the draw knowing it will be one already chosen to be in the running. I'd scrap the list if it were up to me, but she has trouble making decisions, this way she it stuck, :). I've never been able to change her mind about the process.
jergul large member	Thu Jan 02 01:31:32 Glad to hear we made the rotation :). Getting here is half the fun. I would seriously suggest flying one way and taking the coastal steamer Tromsø-Bergen the other. They are working ships (keeps logistics flowing with a call to each port every day in both directions), but are set up as Alaska type cruise events if a tourist. They have senior rates if you make sure the booking agent gets you it. "Hurtigruten" I can be helpful with suggestions for an intinerary if Tromsø wins the draw :).
TJ Member	Thu Jan 02 11:54:25 jergul: She draws every March 6th on our anniversary, which gives me time to set the itinerary. Thanks, I'm sure you could be helpful if lightning should strike and she draws northern Norway. I offered to take her on a world cruise when I retired, but she didn't want to be away from home that long at a time. She tired of the condos in Florida, Nashville, Arizona, and the Ozarks that we have free access mostly anytime we choose with enough notice, owned by family and friends. That is when we started doing the lottery draw option. I realize it seems kind of crazy, but it eliminates her changing of mind 4 or 5 times before she finally decides and prevents me from becoming too frustrated. She knows that if she changes her mind about the draw, I jump on the Harley and go where I want for a couple of weeks. I just ride and don't care where I go. It's all random at that point and she can stay home alone or do whatever she chooses, but it will be without me.
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