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TJ
Member
Thu Jan 02 17:33:42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMcVXa5oFZQ

I guess some people stood in line for over 6 hours and many outlets depleted their stock. Maybe it is time for me to investigate some stock options since it is the 11th state to approve sales.
Rugian
Member
Thu Jan 02 19:35:52
Looks like Chicago's Democratic machine has realized that it needed to do something to keep people from fleeing the state as a result of their rampant misrule, blatant corruption and unrestrained taxation.

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"Illinois suffered its sixth consecutive year of population decline in 2019, driven entirely by residents leaving for other states.

The 2010s were a lost decade for the Land of Lincoln, which shed more people than any other state in the nation.

Data released by the U.S. Census Bureau Dec. 30 show Illinois’ population dropped by 168,700 people from 2010-2019, the largest raw decline of any state and more than the entire population of Naperville, Illinois’ third-largest city.

In percentage terms, this drop was second only to beleaguered West Virginia during the decade."

http://www...lation-loss-during-the-decade/
Average Ameriacn
Member
Thu Jan 02 22:34:43
A victory for North Korea and China, how could that happen? We need a federal ban!
Habebe
Member
Thu Jan 02 22:43:41
3.2 million in sales on the first day.
hood
Member
Thu Jan 02 22:43:54
Funny rugian would cite political rule as the reason for the exodus from IL. We had a particularly horrible governor for the majority of the decline cited in his article. You might remember him, Bruce Rauner? Yeah, that republican fucknugget that almost single-handedly ruined the state coffers.

Political rule indeed.
kargen
Member
Fri Jan 03 02:49:29
I'm still hoping if enough states pass this all the assholes that moved to Colorado when recreational marijuana was passed here will go back where they came from.
TJ
Member
Fri Jan 03 13:41:39
Illinois has had massive corruption, cronyism and patronage. Since I've been a resident of Illinois it's had two governor's from each party go to prison.

Tax from pot sales will be squandered, thus zero help concerning the past and current fiscal irresponsibility of State politicians.

Illinois is a Democratic stronghold and one of the "big three" Democratic states alongside California and New York. It is considered one of the most Democratic states. Currently, (since 2018) all six statewide elected offices are held by a Democrat.

Political party strength in Illinois is highly dependent upon Cook County, and the state's reputation as a blue state rests upon the fact that the majority of its population and political power is concentrated in Chicago, Cook County, and the Chicago metropolitan area. Outside of Chicago, the suburban collar counties continue trending Democratic while downstate Illinois can be considered more conservative with some moderate regions.
jergul
large member
Fri Jan 03 15:39:47
Illinois has a well-functioning judicial system unafraid of regulating political offices

See?

The glass is half-full! :)
Habebe
Member
Fri Jan 03 18:06:21
"Illinois has a well-functioning judicial system"

I never knew you were so funny.
jergul
large member
Sat Jan 04 03:07:34
You have to chose the right metric. I was measuring its efficiency in pounds of corrupt politicians sentenced per year on average.

He who measures, wins!

:).
patom
Member
Sat Jan 04 05:37:41
Meanwhile in Maine we are still fucking around trying to figure out how to run recreational pot stores.
You need a prescription to buy pot products.
Still have to use cash to make purchases.

Over in New Brunswick, Canada they've legalized it and they are loosing money. The Gov. built fancy stores and pay staff good wages. But they are having a hard time competing with the traditional sales folk who still operate out of their cars :)
TJ
Member
Sat Jan 04 11:54:26
jergul:

You might want to apply a different metric. He who researches wins. The glass has a leak. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Illinois
TJ
Member
Sat Jan 04 11:56:46
A small example.

"In the 1980s, a federal task force known as Operation Greylord investigated corruption and malfeasance in the Cook County court system. Fifteen judges and dozens of other people, including attorneys, police officers, and court officials, were eventually convicted of various crimes."
jergul
large member
Sat Jan 04 13:38:44
Ach, the states always have tons of federal convictions. Texas and Florida usually are in the lead.

Here I was thinking Illinois was something special :).
Forwyn
Member
Sat Jan 04 14:13:10
"Of the 17 judges indicted, 15 were convicted. One judge, Richard LeFevour, was convicted on 59 counts of mail fraud, racketeering and income-tax violations, and later sentenced to 12 years in prison, as well as being disbarred. The stiffest sentence was received by former Circuit Judge Reginald Holzer, who received an 18-year sentence for accepting over $200,000 in bribes from multiple attorneys."

Death penalty.
TJ
Member
Sat Jan 04 14:19:31
Illinois was the third most corrupt state in the country, after New York and California, judging by federal public corruption convictions between 1976-2012.

They are special. It's like the three stooges. :(

Overall federal convictions of crime is a different topic than the one I've been discussing, which is political corruption.
jergul
large member
Sat Jan 04 14:29:56
We were talking about the same thing. Illinois is ranked 11th.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/most-corrupt-states/
jergul
large member
Sat Jan 04 14:32:48
Sorry, that was wrong. Ranked 5th.
TJ
Member
Sat Jan 04 14:48:36
From your link.

"Measuring how corrupt a state is can be difficult, and it’s not a perfect science."

"Coming in third on this list is Illinois, which had 2,102 corruption convictions or 1.63 per capital."

Depends on the metric applied for certain. Those damn statistics.
TJ
Member
Sat Jan 04 15:26:13
California 2,864 convictions
New York 2,860 convictions
Illinois 2,102 convictions

DC was a given and not a state. :(

1-2-3, being the only claim I've made in this thread on "political convictions" It had nothing to do with per capita. Only the shadow knows how much political crime has happened/ undiscovered. Language is kind of important.
jergul
large member
Sat Jan 04 15:26:37
Per capita corruption? Lol. I like my per pound corruption better.
jergul
large member
Sat Jan 04 15:27:22
You leapfrogged over Texas and Florida.
TJ
Member
Sat Jan 04 15:30:56
It didn't come from me. It came from your link.

The number of convictions per capita in the nation’s capital is significantly higher than the next most corrupt state, Louisiana. Even though the total number of convictions in this state was higher at 1,202, this is just 2.57 convictions per capita.

Conviction rate applied was per 10,000 people-the list at the bottom of your link.



TJ
Member
Sat Jan 04 15:34:44
Now you know why I said those damn statics. :)
TJ
Member
Sat Jan 04 15:36:34
That I did. I stand corrected according to your link.
TJ
Member
Sat Jan 04 15:48:02
It is difficult to find sources that corroborate statistics.

I guess I'll accept:

"Measuring how corrupt a state is can be difficult, and it’s not a perfect science.
TJ
Member
Sat Jan 04 16:23:01
Maybe I should have focused on the most politically corrupt city in the US. :)
Habebe
Member
Sat Jan 04 17:16:15
http://en....ussie_Smollett_alleged_assault

Corrupt
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