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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 08 22:40:46
(pilot fish) Lindsey Graham says Trump's speech from this morning "will be talked about long after his second term" & is on par with Reagan’s 'Tear Down This Wall' speech

http://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1215100062532956161

and Lou Dobbs compared Mike Lee to Benedict Arnold for complaining about the unsatisfactory & insulting intel briefing

cult
Habebe
Member
Thu Jan 09 02:56:03
What cult? The cult of butt lickers?
Rugian
Member
Thu Jan 09 10:10:15
"Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
STOCK MARKET AT ALL-TIME HIGH! HOW ARE YOUR 401K’S DOING? 70%, 80%, 90% up? Only 50% up! What are you doing wrong?
10:47 AM · Jan 9, 2020"

It's true, my 401k has done remarkably well in the last few years. Thanks, President Trump!
Rugian
Member
Thu Jan 09 10:11:38
Is the Donald delivering on his promise to cure cancer? Looks like it!


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
U.S. Cancer Death Rate Lowest In Recorded History! A lot of good news coming out of this Administration.
10:00 AM · Jan 9, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
CrownRoyal
Member
Thu Jan 09 10:15:59
Study published yesterday, that Donald refers to, when trying to get credit


http://acs...om/doi/full/10.3322/caac.21590

"The cancer death rate rose until 1991, then fell continuously through 2017"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 09 12:13:37
you missed one:

"Entire Wall is under construction or getting ready to start!"
~ a ridiculously obvious fraud liar

jergul
large member
Thu Jan 09 12:16:30
Here is the thing. Diverting aid from DoD construction is close to treason now.

Bases around a certain country need serious upgrading. Current construction was never meant to deal with the emergent threat.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 09 12:31:31
Asked about Republican Sen. Mike Lee's criticism of the Soleimani briefing (Lee said it was the worst military briefing he's received) -- Trump said he's received numerous calls telling him "it was the greatest presentation they've ever had."


any idiot moron cultist believe that? his rally goers would...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 09 12:37:49
one poll shows 77% of R's & 32% of I's think Trump is honest & trustworthy

that's under half the country but WAY too many

how can so many not see what is soooooooooooo obvious
patom
Member
Thu Jan 09 13:37:13
You can fool some of the people all the time. In this case almost half the people.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 09 19:04:04
some information those fools won't ever hear:

the stupid Uranium One 'scandal' that made no sense & had no evidence has officially been debunked (shame on Fox News)...

-------

The U.S. Attorney who former U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions tasked with investigating Hillary Clinton, the Clinton Foundation and the Uranium One deal, and the FBI’s inquiry into Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state has reportedly found “nothing worth pursuing.”

Per the Washington Post on Thursday night:

John Huber, the U.S. attorney in Utah, was tapped in November 2017 by then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions to look into concerns raised by President Trump and his allies in Congress that the FBI had not fully pursued cases of possible corruption at the Clinton Foundation and during her time as secretary of state, when the U.S. government decided not to block the sale of a company called Uranium One.

As a part of his review, Huber examined documents and conferred with federal law enforcement officials in Little Rock, Ark., who were handling a meandering probe into the Clinton Foundation, people familiar with the matter said. Current and former officials said that Huber has largely finished and found nothing worth pursuing — though the assignment has not formally ended and no official notice has been sent to the Justice Department or to lawmakers, these people said.

http://law...-found-nothing-worth-pursuing/
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 10 12:44:18
the fraud family:


Donald Trump Jr and Ivanka Trump took part in a fraudulent scheme to sell units in a luxury New York condominium-hotel and “knew they were lying”, according to a new book that explores how the current US president built his business empire.

Questions have long surrounded a criminal investigation into the Trump family’s dealings around the Trump SoHo that was dropped in 2011. Public disclosure of email correspondence revealed that Don Jr and Ivanka knowingly used figures that exaggerated how well the condos were selling in a ploy to lure more buyers.

The episode is re-examined with fresh reporting by the journalist Andrea Bernstein in her book American Oligarchs: The Kushners, The Trumps And The Marriage Of Money And Power, a copy of which was obtained by the Guardian.
Don Jr v Ivanka: is the battle to turn the Trump presidency into a dynasty heating up?
Arwa Mahdawi
Arwa Mahdawi
Read more

Trump first previewed the 46-storey Trump SoHo in lower Manhattan with fanfare in 2006 on his reality TV show The Apprentice, boasting “this brilliant $370m work of art will be an awe-inspiring masterpiece”. But sales of units proved disappointing, especially after it was revealed one of Trump’s partners, Russian-born Felix Sater, had a criminal past.

According to data filed with state and federal agencies, only 15% to 30% had been sold by the start of 2009, the New York Times reported. But in June 2008, Ivanka told the Reuters news agency that 60% had been sold, while in April 2009, Don Jr claimed in the Real Deal magazine that 55% had.

Buyers of units in Trump SoHo sued Trump, arguing that they had been defrauded by inflated claims of sales. The Manhattan district attorney’s office then began investigating whether the allegations could also constitute a crime, issuing subpoenas and carrying out interviews.

The Trumps left a damaging email trail, first reported by the ProPublica website in 2017, that Bernstein writes “showed a coordinated, deliberate and knowing effort to deceive buyers. In one email, the Trumps discussed how to coordinate false information they had given to prospective buyers. Because the sales levels had been overstated at the beginning of the sales process, any statement showing a lower level could reveal the untruths.”

The author continues: “In another email, according to a person who read them, the Trumps worried that a reporter might be on to them. In yet another email chain that included Don Jr and Ivanka, the younger generation of Trumps issued the email equivalent of a knowing chuckle, saying that nobody would ever find them out, because only people on the email chain or in the Trump Organization knew about the deception.

“There was ‘no doubt’ that the Trump children ‘approved, knew of, agreed to, and intentionally inflated the numbers to make more sales,’ one person who saw the emails said. ‘They knew it was wrong.’ ‘It couldn’t have been more clear they lied about the sales and knew they were lying,’” another person said.

“Yet another said, ‘I was shocked by the words Ivanka used.’ Was there any doubt the Trumps knew they were lying and that it was wrong? ‘Ten thousand percent no.’”

Trump and his co-defendants settled the civil case in November 2011, agreeing to refund 90% of $3.16m in deposits while refusing to admit any wrongdoing. As part of the settlement, the buyers agreed to no longer help the Manhattan district attorney’s investigation into whether Trump’s alleged fraud broke any laws.

The buyers set out this agreement in a letter that, Bernstein writes, contained language insisted upon by Trump’s lawyers. “In an interview, the district attorney, Cyrus Vance Jr, said that he had never before seen a letter where plaintiffs in a civil case asserted that no crime had been committed. ‘I don’t think I’d ever received a letter like it,’ Vance said.”

The criminal case against Don Jr and Ivanka was eventually wound up because prosecutors feared it would be undermined by the buyers refusing to say they had been the victims of fraud. Ivanka is now in the White House as a senior adviser to the president. Don Jr has emerged as one his chief campaign surrogates for re-election.

Trump’s hugely divisive presidency has seen some of his properties suffer lost custom as his name becomes a liability. In December 2017, the Trump SoHo was rebranded as the Dominick, which helped turn around its fortunes.

Bernstein’s American Oligarchs also chronicles the family history of Ivanka’s husband, Jared Kushner.

Originally from a village in Belarus, many of his ancestors were murdered in the Holocaust. Survivors took refuge in Hungary and Italy and fled to America. The book tells how Jared’s grandfather, Yossel Berkowitz, posed as his father-in-law’s son, putting Kushner as his last name on US immigration paperwork. As a consequence, his grandson is named Jared Kushner rather than Jared Berkowitz.

http://www...vanka-trump-condos-scheme-book
=========

TLDR: the Trumps definitely committed fraud but paid off the victims to get them to deny fraud & thus avoid criminal charges

+ Kushner (the Devil) is a Berkowitz


& if you think it's the first time they did this rather than standard practice, you're an idiot

there are at least 2 other fraud towers that failed & got hushed up in class-action lawsuit court settlements w/ NDAs... fraud fraud fraud
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 10 21:20:06
anyone still buying 'imminent threat'? Pompeo said they don't know when or where (so that's not imminent)... and Trumps explanation changes every time... the latest (as of this post) is that he 'believes' 4 embassies were being targeted

I expect nothing to back that up

so, even if fine with killing the guy, every single person should have a problem with the lying about it
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jan 11 02:27:21
Trump's answer when asked what we are doing to protect from cyber attacks

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/EN80VWmWkAI50RB?format=png

oddly similar to what someone who has no idea what a computer is & who picked Rudy Giuliani as their cyber security advisor might say
Habebe
Member
Sat Jan 11 04:15:37
He, Well I agree that was possibly the worst apointment decision made.

If an IT company wouldnt hire someone even as an entry level tech you shouldnt head the cyber security of the US.
Habebe
Member
Sat Jan 11 04:16:00
He =TW
Habebe
Member
Sat Jan 11 04:48:08
It would be great of we could get H.D. Moore or even a Yochai Benkler in there.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jan 11 16:05:05
Trump has joined ISIS

http://twi...ump/status/1216114167108849665

(he said text like that was 'ISIS chatter' in regards to a protester he repeatedly falsely & recklessly declared as being part of ISIS)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jan 11 23:37:53
"I said to Saudi Arabia... listen, you're a very rich country, you want more troops? I’m going to send them to you, but you’ve gotta pay us... they’ve already deposited $1 billion in the bank”
~ mercenary dictator fraud criminal mentally-ill liar child


also in $1 billion Saudi/Trump news, there's a very unconfirmed story the Saudis bribed Trump $1 billion to support MBS

...him accepting bribes is more believable than him not accepting bribes & he's definitely in the tank for Saudis (same as Russians who also are believed to be supporting him financially)

it's all coming together... it would make for a glorious comeuppance... make it happen, karma!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jan 12 11:07:49
"George @GStephanopoulos, ask Crazy Nancy why she allowed Adam “Shifty” Schiff to totally make up my conversation with the Ukrainian President & read his false words to Congress and the world, as though I said it? He got caught! Ask why hearing was most unfair & biased in history?"
~ idiot

there was no 'got caught'... at all... in any way... Trump has tried to rewrite history that Schiff represented his version as the real one (which he clearly didn't) and that Trump released the transcript -afterward- to 'catch' him... (also false, it was released the day before, that's how Schiff knew what was in it)

so here's our mentally-ill child STILL pushing that nonsense, either he has said it so often he now believes it (thus WHOLLY UNFIT for office), or just continuing to deliberately lie to the public (thus WHOLLY UNFIT for office)

take your pick, kargen

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jan 12 13:09:42
"I didn’t see [evidence] with regard to four embassies"
~ Mark Esper, Secretary of Defense

neato, the President completely lying about threats to our embassies... totally fine
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jan 12 14:24:16
regarding Mark Esper interview (where he tried hard not to dispute Trump but was not successful):

"
Is anyone coordinating comms at the WH? It shouldn't be this hard to get the story straight.

Consistency adds to credibility.

These guys are all over the map. Doesn't instill confidence on any level.
"
~ Sam Vinograd (smart/informed person)


reply:
"
I’m going to defend the White House on this one. It’s really not possible for them to maintain a consistent, coherent, coordinated, and credible communications effort when the president of the United States is an unstable, impulsive, and compulsive liar.
"
~ George Conway (smart/informed person... w/ awful wife)

smart dude
Member
Mon Jan 13 09:25:17
The White House tweeted out this photo last night, declaring “First snow of the year!” The tweet confused a lot of people, to say the least, largely because it didn’t snow at all in Washington, D.C. yesterday. In fact, it reached 70 degrees on Sunday afternoon, according to the National Weather Service.

http://giz...y-i-1840967814?utm_source=digg
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jan 13 14:36:57
i decided not to be annoyed as they technically weren't claiming the photo was from that day

just super slow at taking photo to then posting it guess

plus there are Judge Jeanine clips on that twitter feed so it's just another worthless garbage info source from the head of our government
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jan 13 14:53:20
"
Really Big Breaking News (Kidding): Booker, who was in zero polling territory, just dropped out of the Democrat Presidential Primary Race. Now I can rest easy tonight. I was sooo concerned that I would someday have to go head to head with him!
"
~ child

he's mocked pretty much every person who has dropped out... such a mature leader we have, and not a total embarrassment at all! (particularly to kargen)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jan 13 15:14:56
"
Mini Mike Bloomberg is spending a lot of money on False Advertising. I was the person who saved Pre-Existing Conditions in your Healthcare, you have it now, while at the same time winning the fight to rid you of the expensive, unfair and very unpopular Individual Mandate.....
....and, if Republicans win in court and take back the House of Represenatives, your healthcare, that I have now brought to the best place in many years, will become the best ever, by far. I will always protect your Pre-Existing Conditions, the Dems will not!
"
~ childish lying shitball

did Trump give us pre-existing conditions protection? if R's "win in court" (which is an attempt to end Obamacare) would there be pre-existing conditions protection?

NO & NO

a total fucking liar... notice it
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jan 13 16:10:31
the State Dept received no notice of imminent threats to embassies

it's almost as if Trump is totally making up justifications for attacks

sounds like undermining the public trust to me... bring on another impeachment
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jan 13 16:15:10
...well 'violating' more than undermining... but he does plenty of that as well

and a very serious violation... obviously he grabs public trust by the pussy regularly... but this in particular should be very concerning to Rs... but they won't care at all
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jan 13 22:28:32
"
I stand stronger than anyone in protecting your Healthcare with Pre-Existing Conditions. I am honored to have terminated the very unfair, costly and unpopular individual mandate for you!
"


i guess he's going to hammer that lie into his idiot fans all year, as it was so disastrous an issue for R's in 2018

again, the court case he's advocating for winning would END pre-existing conditions protections (i bet Trump doesn't even know what that refers to, he rarely states the terms in a way that would suggest he does... just like w/ 'cyber'... plus i'm even more sure he couldn't explain what the individual mandate was)

unfit idiot liar
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 14 12:02:32
"The President is not afraid of a fight. If you or anyone within the sound of our voices had been falsely accused of a crime, with no proof, and no evidence, for more than three years, you'd want every witness to come forward, too, and say this man did nothing wrong."
~ Hogan Gidley (evil Bilbo; White House Principal Deputy Press Secretary... piece of shit)

so... he says if someone was =falsely- accused they'd want every witness... whereas Trump tried to block every witness, so...


but i guess it's time for this lying shit administration to start pretending they wanted all witnesses & for the stupid idiot cult to buy it
(just like they bought the total bullshit that R's couldn't call any witnesses or ask questions)

he said it on Fox & Friends... i'll assume they didn't challenge his assholery... correct me if i'm wrong

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 14 13:30:50
"
Consistent with the president’s guidance to increase partner burden-sharing, the Department of Defense has engaged Saudi Arabia on contributing to US activities that support regional security and dissuade hostility and aggression. The Saudi government has agreed to contribute to the costs of these activities, and discussions are ongoing to formalize these contributions. Contributions of this nature do not lead to the deployment of additional US forces, and they do not drive DoD to take on new missions or responsibilities.
"
~ Pentagon spokesperson Cmdr. Rebecca Rebarich (an adult)


so perhaps $1 billion is not 'in the bank' (my god, did Trump lie!?!?!)... perhaps Trump was thinking of the bribe he took...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 14 17:50:45
a memo from Giuliani's Fraud/Mafia goon:
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/EORmNfcWkAAqxyp?format=jpg

"get Zalensky to Announce that the Biden case will Be Investigated"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 14 18:33:46
there's lots of stuff from Parnas (the goon) being dumped out

some bits that seem to show them surveilling the ambassador who Giuliani & Hannity ran a smear campaign against (& who kargen thought was a pointless witness):
http://twi...and/status/1217215352754577409


also there's a letter from Giuliani seeking a meeting w/ Zelensky where he notes working in a private capacity for Trump & w/ Trump's knowledge


possibly lots of good stuff... (just came out recently)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 14 19:04:51
that Republican candidate (Hyde) in those above texts... who appears to be physically & electronically surveilling our ambassador (& possibly plotting her assassination)... gave this comment in regards to the released texts:

“Bull Schiff is a giant b*tch.”

such quality people surrounding Trump
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 14 23:54:32
another response from Hyde:

“How low can liddle Adam Bull Schiff go. To take some texts my buddy’s and I wrote while we had a few drinks to some dweeb I met a few times.... Bull Schiff is a desperate turd.”


tracking her movements & knowing her phone & computer is off doesn't seem like random drunken texting...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 15 16:03:06
Lev Parnas (Giuliani's goon & alleged dweeb) will supposedly be interviewed by Rachel Maddow tonight


here's the Trump-loving Trump-imitating Republican (& stalker or joke stalker) Hyde w/ the 'dweeb'... looking pretty similar...
http://s.h.../01/41/18880612/15/920x920.jpg

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 15 18:41:16
more Parnas documents dumped (includes some or maybe all of prior stuff... getting quite lengthy)

http://doc...P-116-JU00-20191211-SD9015.pdf

hopefully dirtball lawyers (& frequent Fox News guests) Joe diGenova & Victoria Toensing get disbarred or jailed

plus Giuliani

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 16 00:21:37
listening to Parnas interview, he's not the comical goon i expected... he has implicated a number of people, so hopefully he has lots of documentation as people like Hannity already saying can't trust a word as he's facing criminal charges, also Hannity called MSNBC 'state TV'...


Hyde seems like an unstable Trump-obsessed psycho... probably wasn't really stalking the ambassador, although extremely odd... let's hope this new breed of Republican doesn't win his election
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 16 11:38:27
Trump IMPEACHED! \o/

(for those who required the articles to be delivered to consider it official)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 16 12:01:29
Trump Broke The Law In Freezing Ukraine Funds, Watchdog Report Concludes

The Office of Management and Budget blocked the Defense Department from spending money designated by Congress on July 25, "pending a policy decision," according to OMB General Counsel Mark Paoletta. That hold was lifted on Sept. 12.

But a 1974 law that governs budget procedure within the government "does not permit OMB to withhold funds for policy reasons," said Thomas Armstrong, general counsel for the watchdog Government Accountability Office.

http://www...unds-watchdog-report-concludes

and we know even Mulvaney was also concerned about breaking the law when he gave his confession...

so obviously every semi-decent Senator must now be demanding Mulvaney & others testify
Rugian
Member
Thu Jan 16 12:04:09
Since tw probably thinks "we had to impeach for the sake of history"...

Imagine what the history books will say in 100 years of the anti-establishment president who was impeached by deeply partisan and resentful Congress, only to be reelected a year later by the American people who resoundedly rejected the shameful and undermining tactics of the Beltway elites.

History will not be kind to Trumps enemies.
RugianLovesTheCock
Member
Thu Jan 16 12:08:16
The slurping of the cock continues as he remains complicit of notable wrongdoings and illegal activities by this administration. But it only matters to him retrospectively not what is apparent.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 16 12:19:57
if Trump is re-elected there will be no history books in 100 years
Rugian
Member
Thu Jan 16 12:21:16
RLTC

The last president literally drone strikes American citizens at his pleasure. The one before him literally started a regional war based on lies and misinformation.

The office of the presidency literally lets you get away with murder.

If a president is suddenly impeached for allegedly breaking a law, the motivations behind it are inevitably motivated by politics. Let's not kid ourselves that any sort of sense of justice is at play here, not when your average president routinely does much worse and suffers no consequences as a result.
Rugian
Member
Thu Jan 16 12:23:40
Tw,

In all seriousness, I worry about you. Your blood pressure has to be bad enough as it is; I cant see you making it through another four years of this.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 16 12:36:20
actually i have very low blood pressure... that of a nearly dead person...

-----

"
The U.S. intelligence community is trying to persuade House and Senate lawmakers to drop the public portion of an annual briefing on the globe’s greatest security threats — a move compelled by last year’s session that provoked an angry outburst from President Donald Trump, multiple sources told POLITICO.

Officials from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, on behalf of the larger clandestine community, don’t want agency chiefs to be seen on-camera as disagreeing with the president on big issues such as Iran, Russia or North Korea, according to three people familiar with preliminary negotiations over what's known as the Worldwide Threats hearing.

The request, which is unlikely to be approved, has been made through initial, informal conversations at the staff level between Capitol Hill and the clandestine community, the people said.

At the last such threats briefing a year ago, the chiefs presented findings that diverged from the president’s statements on the longevity of Islamic State terror group, as well as Iran and North Korea’s nuclear ambitions. He blistered them on Twitter the following day, labeling them “passive” and “naive” while writing that “Perhaps Intelligence should go back to school!"

Trump later claimed his top intelligence chiefs, including then-DNI Dan Coats and CIA Director Gina Haspel, told him that they had been misquoted in the press — even though their remarks had been broadcast and the video footage was publicly available.

<cont'd>
"

http://www...s-threats-hearing-trump-099494

TLDR: can't have factual information come out as it probably will contradict the constant made-up bullshit from the giant baby fraud 'president'

(and if going to mock Politico or fake news or whatever, it's factual what Trump did last year, so...)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 16 14:44:06
even Trump is celebrating:

"
I JUST GOT IMPEACHED FOR MAKING A PERFECT PHONE CALL!
"
http://twi...ump/status/1217909231946477575
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 17 12:27:31
Fox News people surely know this one... probably celebrated on every show:

===================

"Senator McSally, should the senate consider new evidence in the impeachment trial?"
~ Manu Raju, CNN

"you're a liberal hack" <ignores question>
~ Martha McSally (unelected Senator)

----------

she's fundraising off it, celebrating her moment on twitter "I'm a fighter pilot, I call it like it is and that's what I did today", even selling T-shirts with the quote...

that's the ReTrumplicant party now


(i think even Laura Ingraham asked McSally the same obvious/fair question :p)
Rugian
Member
Fri Jan 17 12:53:15
Tw,

So you dont consider CNN to be ridiculously biased trash?

Me and Bernie would probably disagree with you on that one.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 17 13:08:13
all he asked was "should the senate consider new evidence in the impeachment trial?"

an extremely valid & relevant question

then she goes on Fox News to brag about it
(no way in hell CNN is more biased than Fox News... Fox News & the administration exchange staff regularly... plus is almost exclusively opinion shows praising Trump, there were ZERO opinion shows dedicated to praising Obama on CNN)


& selling 'you're a liberal hack' T-shirts off it is a national embarrassment... particularly to kargen
Rugian
Member
Fri Jan 17 13:17:32
"no way in hell CNN is more biased than Fox News."

I disagree. Say what you will about Fox's bias, it at least knows how to more or less separate its news and opinion divisions and advertise each appropriately. CNN, on the other hand, pretends to be giving readers "objective" coverage via bs "analysts," even though those analyses are just thinly-veiled editorials.

Really neither Fox or CNN are very good if you're using them as your sole source of news (RIP Hot Rod), but at least with Fox you know when you're being spoonfed.

And speaking of coordinating with candidates...which network was Donna Brazile part of back during the 2016 debates again?
Rugian
Member
Fri Jan 17 13:20:58
Case in point. How many times have you expressed a sense of absolute disbelief and wonder about how anyone could possibly be disagreeing with your "factual" CNN-fabricated claims?

CrownRoyal
Member
Fri Jan 17 13:39:00
all he asked was "should the senate consider new evidence in the impeachment trial?"


omg, what a hack
CrownRoyal
Member
Fri Jan 17 13:43:43
Meanwhile, Donald's anti-corruption push gathers strength

=========

White House Considers Changes to Law Banning Overseas Bribes

January 17, 2020, 1:13 PM EST

President Donald Trump’s administration is weighing whether to seek changes to a 1977 law that makes it illegal for U.S. companies to bribe foreign officials.

“We are looking at it,” White House Economic Adviser Larry Kudlow said at the White House on Friday, in response to a reporter’s question about the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

“I would just say: We are aware of it, we are looking at it, and we’ve heard complaints from some of our companies,” Kudlow said. “I don’t want to say anything definitive policy-wise, but we are looking at it.”

A forthcoming book called “A Very Stable Genius: Donald J. Trump’s Testing of America,” by Washington Post reporters Philip Rucker and Carol D. Leonnig, reports that Trump has complained about existing rules, and that he clashed with former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in 2017 when Trump pushed to scrap the FCPA.

“It’s just so unfair that American companies aren’t allowed to pay bribes to get business overseas,” Trump said, according to an passage published by the Post. “We’re going to change that.”

The law is designed to prevent individuals and businesses in the U.S. from paying money or offering gifts to foreign officials as a way to win business overseas. Critics of the law complain that it puts U.S. businesses at a disadvantage in places where bribes are customary.
cont
http://www...to-law-banning-overseas-bribes


Rugian
Member
Fri Jan 17 13:49:39
CR -

Calling Parnas' crap "evidence" is a bit generous, no?

Not to mention it's a loaded question. After all, who WOULDNT want new evidence if it's available? If you say no, you must be hiding something!

Anyway, here's some background info on wht the liberal hack is, in fact, a hack:

"In 2017, Raju reported an “exclusive” that Donald Trump Jr. had advance notice of WikiLeaks dumps against the Democratic Party, thus proving criminal conspiracy. It turned out Raju had gotten the date on a supposedly incriminating e-mail wrong: The e-mail apprised Don Jr. of documents that were ­already in the public record.

CNN ran a massively embarrassing correction while insisting the reporter had followed “editorial process.” But Raju never explained how his two supposedly independent sources both got the date on the e-mail wrong."

http://nyp...-bias-is-now-beyond-laughable/
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 17 13:53:18
Donna Brazile was never a CNN host, just a guest & not sure she ever was on again after her violation of trust... although now she's on Fox News... where they like shifty people

Fox News has multiple garbage -hosts- & guests

also, what 'fabricated' CNN claims are you referring to? Uranium One? Seth Rich? oh wait...
CrownRoyal
Member
Fri Jan 17 13:56:29
"Calling Parnas' crap "evidence" is a bit generous, no?"

thats what she should have said, instead of the bias charge.

"Not to mention it's a loaded question. After all, who WOULDNT want new evidence if it's available? If you say no, you must be hiding something!"

indeed. And there are multiple available avenues on how to handle this questions, any rookie politician can give an acceptable answer
Rugian
Member
Fri Jan 17 14:03:20
Tw,

The Russian conspiracy hoax.

And as long as we're talking about garbage hosts, what's your opinion of the likes of Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon? For reporters, how high is your esteem for Jim Acosta?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 17 14:06:38
oops, don't want to step on that
"White House Considers Changes to Law Banning Overseas Bribes" thing above...

i thought that was a reference to the old thing in the 'Pearl Harbor'/new book thread but Trump's at it again

gee, i guess that fake news was real...

=======

as to Manu Raju, i hadn't seen that post when i posted last... a mistake that CNN corrected... they happen
it's not a pattern w/ Manu Raju

(when has Trump made a correction? seriously... name one...)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 17 14:19:00
"The Russian conspiracy hoax."

from Russia investigation:

CNN reported Comeys memos showing Trump's unfit behavior, & on Comey's firing & the admin's bullshit excuse that Trump blew-up, & on Michael Cohen & his troubles, and Trump saying 'i had no idea about the pay-offs' & the video of Trump talking about the payments, & the National Enquirer colluding w/ Trump to catch & kill stories, and on Manaforts crimes & dealings, and on Don Jr's meeting w/ Russians, with emails 'the Russian gov't wants to help Trump win' (gee, Fox News would -never- have run w/ something like that on Hillary...), & Trump saying 'i have nothing to do w/ Russia', and Trump having a secret Moscow Tower deal all campaign long

which of those is not legitimate news stories?

where is the one claiming Trump personally colluded w/ Russia?

i don't watch Cuomo or Don Lemon much... but both obviously not Trump fans, although Cuomo i believe wants to be fair*... Don Lemon has become much more biased under Trump than pre-Trump
(*people finding Trump dishonest & unfit is just accurate... pointing out his lies shouldn't be looked at as bias, even though Trump fanatics see it that way)

CNN was less about the President before Trump... they'd cover plane crashes & cop shootings... & Lemon (even though black) did NOT auto-side w/ the black shot so i give him credit on that

Jim Acosta is barely ever on (shows i see anyway)
Habebe
Member
Fri Jan 17 14:32:47
Who oyher than Rosie O'Donnell would go through this much trouble?
kargen
Member
Fri Jan 17 14:37:06
"which of those is not legitimate news stories?"

They are all legitimate stories. CNN instead of reporting on those stories fed you full of opinion and innuendo. If you wanted facts on those stories you wouldn't be going to CNN for your source. You didn't get the story you got what CNN thinks about the story.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 17 14:44:43
i have not required CNN to form opinions on Trump's unfitness

his twitter feed & rallies & other camera appearances are sufficient... which is what i post -far- more than CNN articles

if you have a better news channel to recommend, then go ahead
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 17 15:08:14
but speaking of needing others to form one's opinion:


Trump: 'the Clintons killed Epstein, just like the others'

when asked about it,
Kellyanne Conway : 'he just wants a thorough investigation'

kargen: 'he just wants a thorough investigation'


that is not a logical step you made from Trump's comments... how did you make it?
Rugian
Member
Fri Jan 17 15:11:45
Tw,

Did you just pull a Schifty Schiff and put words in the president's mouth?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 17 15:19:05
not really

Trump posted a video of a guy suggesting the Clintons killed Epstein as well as others

i posted it here probably more than once... he later claimed it was fine to tweet & that the guy was a respected conservative pundit, i kinda doubt it, but what counts as a respected conservative pundit under Trump can be anything i guess

& Kellyanne's defense of that tweet was definitely as noted
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 17 15:21:34
& when Trump asked about it he brought up the misleading '27 times' Clinton on Epsteins plane and other stuff so clearly not a joke & clearly wanting to stoke it

Trump likes bad press stories on opponents, doesn't care if any evidence supporting them... see Cruz's father as JFK assassin... or why he's being impeached
Rugian
Member
Fri Jan 17 15:36:46
So, he didnt say "the Clintons killed Epstein, just like the others."

And his explanation for the tweet actually DOES support the fictional Conway's and kargen's reactions...

Not to mention, the tweet was in part a refutation of #TrumpBodyCount, which is in itself fake news...

But more than anything...WHY THR FUCK DO YOU CSRE ABOUT A SIX MONTH OLD TWEET YOU ABSOLUTE PSYCHO
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 17 15:43:00
it's a good demonstration of how people like kargen adopt the adult-translated supposed views & motives of Trump rather than using the source material of what moron Trump actually says & does

Nancy Pelosi, nor Hillary, nor Schiff were #TrumpBodyCount tweeting

The President should be held to higher standards than random people on twitter (this sadly is only a liberal hack or cuckservative opinion in these dark days)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 17 15:59:38
...& i didn't even check on Pelosi, Hillary, Schiff... as i'm just certain they didn't... as is everyone...

however w/ Trump, we all just know he's a childish moron & for some reason ~43% of people are ok w/ it...
kargen
Member
Fri Jan 17 17:36:52
"i have not required CNN to form opinions on Trump's unfitness"

I know, I was joking.

We all know you pull them straight out your ass.

"The President should be held to higher standards than random people on twitter"

Nobody should be held to a high standard on twitter. Twitter (all of twitter) is a shit show and if you partake it should be for entertainment only.
Daemon
Member
Fri Jan 17 17:46:28
Trump is the enemy

http://www...a85d_story.html?outputType=amp

"Days before Europeans warned Iran of nuclear deal violations, Trump secretly threatened to impose 25% tariff on European autos if they didn’t"
Daemon
Member
Fri Jan 17 17:50:21
Kargen made a complete idiot out of himself years ago when he tried to defend Bush, he is making the same mistake again.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 17 17:56:56
Trump ♥ threatening people

=========================

"Nobody should be held to a high standard on twitter."

Trump is the same off of twitter, show me a video of him being mature, honest & knowledgeable (w/ no teleprompter)

there are 100s of videos out there, should be extremely easy... should be hard to locate one where he wasn't, under non-crazy circumstances
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 17 18:09:57
Robert Hyde (psycho Trumper / Republican candidate) seems to be changing his story from drunken texting to “was just copy-and-paste bullshit from some intel guy, probably, that was fucking with me, trying to set Trump up"

http://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1218236505942085632

so many set ups!

who wouldn't just copy/paste texts from one random person to another one... totally believable stuff

kargen
Member
Fri Jan 17 18:28:35
"Kargen made a complete idiot out of himself years ago when he tried to defend Bush, he is making the same mistake again."

I also defending President Clinton and President Obama when people lied about them. You are blind to the truth and I am helping you to see.

You are welcome!

And if you go back and look you will see that I was of the opinion once we popped Sadaam we should have got the fuck out of Iraq.
kargen
Member
Fri Jan 17 18:31:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5VEjF1uhYo
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 17 18:37:30
1980? anything from the past 10 years? i bet you knew you had to look for super old footage...

i will acknowledge that in the distant past he could sound like a normal person

=================
=================
in Epstein news...

Epstein-friend & alleged sexual abuser Trump has added Epstein-lawyer Ken Starr and Epstein-lawyer & alleged sexual abuser Alan Dershowitz to his team

...not to imply anything
kargen
Member
Fri Jan 17 19:44:42
"there are 100s of videos out there, should be extremely easy... should be hard to locate one where he wasn't, under non-crazy circumstances"

You asked for one and I provided one. There were no other conditions attached. Was actually the very first one that came up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVywTlZT4NM
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 17 22:08:02
I wouldn't say that demonstrates honesty or knowledge but I'm glad he can walk upright
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jan 18 23:49:25
the National Archives has apologized for blurring Trump's name from protest signs of women (after the outrage)

recall the effort to hide the McCain ship too

probably once normal people are doing a lot of fucked up shit under this regime
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jan 19 12:02:23
Reverting to his usual level of dishonesty, Trump made 81 false claims last week

http://www...ran-ethiopia-cancer/index.html

one good nugget of his ridiculous level of mental illness & total unfitness:

"
Ethiopia and the Nobel Peace Prize

Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed won the 2019 Nobel Peace Prize in large part for Ahmed's successful effort to make a peace deal with neighboring Eritrea.

Trump is an incorrigible acclaim-seeker who has been open about his desire for a Nobel. At his January 9 rally, he claimed that he was a more deserving recipient than Ahmed -- not for some other initiative of his own but because, he suggested, he was the one who actually made Ethiopia's big deal. "I made a deal. I saved a country, and I just heard that the head of that country is now getting the Nobel Peace Prize for saving the country," he complained.

This left Ethiopians baffled. Experts on Ethiopia say there is no sign Trump played an important role in the deal.
"

from a BBC article:
"
A Twitter account run by the Democrats in Congress teased Mr Trump saying he seemed to not know why Mr Abiy won the peace prize.

The tweet said the president had confused his meeting last year in November with representatives from Egypt, Ethiopia and Sudan, over a dispute about the use of the Nile waters, as worth of a Nobel prize.
"

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jan 20 16:50:50
so openly corrupt Moscow Mitch McConnell is allowing each side to have 24 hours to make their case, but only 2 days each tops... so 12 hr days if you want to use all your time

what a dumbass indefensible idea

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jan 20 18:04:45
actually it's way dumber

supposedly can't start until 1pm... so 1pm - 1am

granted it perhaps shouldn't take 24 hrs to lay out the case (especially defense, as they have no evidence) but if you allot 24 hrs, then you should provide reasonable # of days to work with

totally absurd rules from crazed power abusing Mitch...

seemingly the only reason is to get it over with before the idiot fraud child reads someone's state of the union speech off a prompter
kargen
Member
Mon Jan 20 18:15:58
He wants to be sure the Senators running for president get back out on the campaign trail again.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jan 20 18:44:36
are you joking? please just say you are joking
...in fact, i'll just assume you are joking, no need to reply
============

actually it's way dumber

The resolution does not automatically admit the House's evidence that has been submitted to the Senate, and instead allows for a vote on whether the evidence should be admitted for the trial.

meaning if R's choose they can just vote out every single item from the House hearings... (hopefully they aren't all as corrupt as Mitch though)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jan 20 19:09:28
Q: what is Trump doing to observe MLK day?

Kellyanne: um... um... um... Trump likes unity [yeah,right] & MLK would be against this impeachment...

http://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1219344675049541634

good answer...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 21 12:04:23
has any R explained a non-corrupt rationale for cramming 24 hrs into 2 days which start at 1pm? (i haven't been watching)

my guess is the White House said they only need 6-8 hrs for their case as they have little evidence, so Mitch set it up to fit them
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 21 13:31:52
Cipollone just flat out lying to Congress... so that's nice... repeating the Trump / Fox totally bullshit characterization of Schiff trying to deceive people about call transcript

apparently everyone corruptible by Trump
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 21 13:58:13
apparently openly corrupt Mitch met a few non-corrupt Republicans and had to change the rules to 3 days instead of 2... & allowing the House record to be entered w/o a vote (ridiculously indefensible ideas that show Mitch needs removed immediately that he would even propose them)

although even w/ 3 days that still would mean (1pm - 9pm+stoppage time) if people want to use all their time, so still seems stupid to me
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 21 14:00:28
...or maybe openly corrupt Mitch just proposed ridiculous rules so that he could be seen as making a compromise w/ the moderate R's & then they can vote w/ him on killing all witnesses & docs later
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 21 16:37:41
Cippolone: "Not even Mr. Schiff's Republican colleagues were allowed into the SCIF" (for the depositions)

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1219705851239419904

i guess he gets his info from Trump's twitter / Fox News

he should be disbarred

this is not lawyering... lawyers massage the facts, not just blatantly lie
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 21 18:46:42
Jay Sekulow brought up the 'argument?' that Trump gave military aid that Obama didn't... ok then, that's meaningful somehow...
(the same nonsense shit the R's in the House did... i guess it's what the idiot child boss likes to hear)

in my unbiased opinion, the Dems doing a MUCH better job at arguments

Cippolone & Sekulow are garbage (as expected, as closest to Trump)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jan 21 23:51:34
"
Prosecutor Adam Schiff says @realDonaldTrump is not innocent! Way to go Democrats. No presumption of innocence, no constitutional guarantees. Welcome to America under Democrat rule. #outrage #prejudice #unfair #unjust #unconstitutional
"
~Jeanine Pirro (Fox 'News' host)

how dare a prosecutor accuse the defendant!!!!!!!!

kargen
Member
Wed Jan 22 02:26:56
Schiff has been claiming he has proof of crimes for well more than a year now. He doesn't have shit and he knows it.

I'm not sure if what Schiff did is unconstitutional but all the other #s fit.
jergul
large member
Wed Jan 22 05:01:13
Kargen
"Trump had solicited political favors from a foreign nation -- Ukraine -- using nearly $400 million in taxpayer aid and then mounted a massive cover-up to hide his actions."

Your point is that these are not technically crimes falling under US jurisdiction?
jergul
large member
Wed Jan 22 05:01:26
CNN
Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 22 07:10:49
jergul -

If you lean on that GAO report any harder, you're likely to break it.

GAO is a body subservient to the legislature and its findings are not binding on the executive branch. Moreover, the report reads like something a progressive advocacy group would have put out and was deliberately timed to cause maximum embarrassment to the president.

Go back to prior GAO reports that claimed that the Obama administration broke this or that law. You'll find no sweeping accusations of failing to protect the Constitution in those.

The fact is that the aid was delivered to Ukraine consistent with Congressional legislation.
Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 22 07:52:16
As for tw...the fact that he's getting so worked up by such inanities as how many hours the Senate is going to be in session each day should tell you all you need to know about his state of mind.

I'm telling you this as a friend bro. Go outside, get some fresh air. Maybe get a therapy dog to calm you down.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 22 12:00:53
you think it would have been logical to go to 2am or more each day?

McConnell is garbage... openly corrupt garbage... he made a joke of how he's fine appointing a Supreme Court judge this year, after deciding Obama only got a 3 year term in that regard

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