Utopia Talk / Politics / Electoral college in court

Habebe Member	Fri Jan 17 17:40:51 http://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1113051 So, in short they are seeing if its legal for electors to vote against the state popular vote.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 18:03:00 Well, the founding fathers wanted the electorate college as a barrier against mob rule. If it looked likely that some stable genius had a shot at "winning", then the electorate would simply make sure that did not happen by the way they cast their vote. In that founding father vision, it would have played out earlier. Trump would not have won the primary if opponents could simply point out he was unelectable. In reality, the electorate system is simply a way of weighing votes between states to make sure US election politics are not completely dominated by the most populous states. Giving entirely legitimate outcomes were a president does not need to win the popular vote at national level to win the election. But that assumes that electors honour the outcome of the vote at a State level. A system were electors can do what they want is no longer a democratic system.
Habebe Member	Fri Jan 17 18:36:06 Yeah, I don't know why we just don't change the constitution. I really don't see opposition to that....in reality if they vote different ways the state's usually just throw out there vote and find someone else anyway.
Habebe Member	Fri Jan 17 18:37:30 "In that founding father vision, it would have played out earlier. Trump would not have won the primary if opponents could simply point out he was unelectable." Elaborate what you mean.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 19:09:19 Originally, the whole point of the electorate college was to keep unfit rabblerousers from raising rabble and getting elected. If you had followed founding father intent, Trump would have lost electors faster than he could grab them by the pussy. But it would have never come to that as the party would not nominate someone who could not possibly win the electoral college. But the electoral college has evolved. Now it serves to give smaller States more influence than their population base suggests. You do not need to change you constitution, you simply need a few court rulings to clearly denote principles.
Habebe Member	Fri Jan 17 19:14:43 Ah yes his rable rousing amd shenanigans, still bettwr than malarkey, eh?
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 19:21:17 I am betting the two last terms are far younger, but I will google.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 19:24:35 Rabble-rousing - First recorded in 1795–1805 Shenanigans - Mid 19th century Malarkey - 1920s. Look at me going all period piece :D.
Habebe Member	Fri Jan 17 19:47:12 All old
kargen Member	Fri Jan 17 20:07:21 I am guessing any decision made would apply to the 2024 election and for the 2020 election any faithless electors would be taken to court on an individual basis. I always thought the electors could vote as they pleased but the states had some power to remove them. According to the article the states do not have that power.
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