Utopia Talk / Politics / kobe was a dumbass

Sam Adams Member	Sun Jan 26 14:07:06 Athletes, high powered planes, trying to fly in clouds next to mountains. What could go wrong?
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 26 14:09:58 No way.
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 26 14:10:16 Oh wow. Yes way. Holy shit.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Jan 26 14:13:45 Seb: amatueur pilot flying next to a cliff in clouds. I bet it was engine failure.
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Jan 26 14:18:23 Oops.
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Jan 26 14:22:49 That helicopter should have been nuclear powered. It would have been ok then.
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Jan 26 14:54:32 Initial info makes it sound like a mechanical issue is a realistic possibility.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Jan 26 15:00:14 Unlikely. But not quite as unlikely as it was last time.
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Jan 26 15:11:53 Sounds like his daughter was with him. As for the crash, I'll lend more weight to a crash investigator who took an initial look at radar data than, well, whatever the fuck you are, lol.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Jan 26 15:15:02 Ok. Until then, occams razor.
The Children Member	Sun Jan 26 15:38:33 daaaaammmnnnnn...just read the news.
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Jan 26 17:00:57 Local witnesses seem to be indicating the engine sounded like it was struggling and sputtering as it came across at very low altitudes.
Renzo Marquez Member	Sun Jan 26 17:04:19 He started raping the pilot who lost control. BIH. Also, epic lulz from MSNBC: http://twitter.com/rumchampion/status/1221528688438759425
Sam Adams Member	Sun Jan 26 17:29:17 "Local witnesses seem to be indicating the engine sounded like it was struggling and sputtering as it came across at very low altitudes. " Local wintesses almost always know nothing. Especially the one i see quoted... a local journalist. Lol.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Jan 26 17:51:05 Atc records indicate they were on a visual flight, a terrible idea through a narrow canyon covered with clouds. Atc informed them of the clouds, and this was ignored. The person talking was not kobe. It is unknown if the person talking was the person flying, but odds are it was.
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Jan 26 18:12:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0pQfgi9ZqU
Sam Adams Member	Sun Jan 26 18:24:31 Indeed. They keep requesting vfr and multiple facilities are like 'we are actually ifr' and they just keep going. Into that tight valley. Yikes.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Jan 26 18:25:19 It will be interesting to learn if the pilot actually knew how to fly in clouds at all.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sun Jan 26 18:47:13 Clouds don't exist in South Cali
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 26 18:50:33 Do they normally let pilots fly at 1400-1500' above the 101? Based on WoO's link that's the altitude they were maintaining to the north of Van Nuys, but once they got to the highway they would have had hills of at least 1600' in close proximity. If Sam's right, this is a monumental fuckup.
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Jan 26 19:08:08 One thing I also don't understand is that doesn't the pilot declare VFR conditions at 1500' when asked? About 3:45 on the video.
Dukhat Member	Sun Jan 26 19:19:25 Rich people can be arrogant. Aaliyah's plane was overloaded. JFK Jr. was a moron who had failed the bar multiple times (something he supposedly prepared for) but thought he could fly in bad weather. *sigh* And Kobe was smart in a lot of other ways too. Didn't have to take a helicopter everywhere ...
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Jan 26 19:26:46 "Didn't have to take a helicopter everywhere ... " I'm guessing that driving carries a much higher risk of dying than helicopters. It's riskier than pretty much all other forms of transportation, I think. I guess he could have walked?
Sam Adams Member	Sun Jan 26 19:32:17 Dunno. I suspect a lot of questions will be asked about what they did or didnt do. http://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n72ex/#23a8271e You can see the telemetry there. If thats right, and it almost always is, they were some 150 feet above the 101! Which peaks near 1100 feet! Probably desperate to avoid clouds... flying lower and lower until they got into a world of shit. I did that once trying to duck under a baby thunderstorm... but to avoid a world of shit i called it off and went into the clouds at 1500 feet over perfectly flat terrain. And im ifr rated and was ifr current at the time, so no problem other than traffic avoidance and i figured no one else was doing the same stupid thing i was and even if they were the big sky theory generally prevails:) Doing that much lower in much much less forgiving terrain is retarded. If that guy wasnt ifr current or wasnt ifr rated at all its essentially suicide.
Dukhat Member	Sun Jan 26 19:34:21 Flying is very safe if you are flying commercial and airliners are scared of an accident ruining their reputation and thus have multiple redundancies ... Private jets and helicopters? Only as good as the pilot and decision-makers around which is far worse. And driving is also unsafe if you're a dumbass. Look at Paul Walker.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Jan 26 19:36:47 "Rich people can be arrogant. Aaliyah's plane was overloaded. JFK Jr. was a moron who had failed the bar multiple times (something he supposedly prepared for) but thought he could fly in bad weather." Correct. Good examples. The gulfstreams splattered on the hills around Aspen too. When people own the plane they think they are qualified to make decisions about the plane. And the pilots are paid by that person. If the owner doesnt know about aviation safety its a downright deadly combination. Sigh.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Jan 26 19:38:50 From Renzo Twitter link: "Tony Johnson @Kojobalewa · 3h Replying to @rumchampion Now you see why I absolutely HATE white people" I thought maybe he didn't realize that he was being outright and definitionally racist.. but in the comment chain: [PSI hydrei]: "So you're racist, got it" [smells the rat]: "I don't thinks he gets it. Even if you spell it out for him..." [Tony Johnson]: "Oh, not only do I get it, but I'm basking in it" So, he knows he's racist, and it's just how he's chosen to be. Twitter has some interesting folks! ;p .. On topic: Poor Kobe :( I hope it wasn't a case of Aaliyah arrogance or the pilot pushing himself just because he had famous guests...
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 26 19:43:09 "You can see the telemetry there." Interesting that the last minute of telemetry shows an attempted ascent of ~900 feet...someone realized they were way too low and over-corrected in a panic? The crash site is also on the *western* slope of a hill at <1,000' feet, which implies something went wrong prior to the crash. I'm not sure if I'd trust Sam to fly me, but his speculation here is solid at least. Much more solid than a certain "oh wow a jetliner blew up over Iranian airspace a few hours after a missile exchange...must have been engine failure" theory, anyway.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Jan 26 19:56:14 "Interesting that the last minute of telemetry shows an attempted ascent of ~900 feet...someone realized they were way too low and over-corrected in a panic? " Indeed. Finally gave up and went up into the clouds they were trying to avoid i think. And if the pilot isnt trained to fly on instruments... if i remember correctly median survival time for an an untrained pilot in clouds is 45 seconds.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Jan 26 20:00:26 Maybe they were so stupidly low they snagged power lines and suffered damage? Although i suspect that is significantly less likely. Spatial disorientation in clouds fits well for the final coup de grace.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Jan 26 20:04:08 "I'm not sure if I'd trust Sam to fly me" Lol itll all come back to me. What could go wrong.
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Jan 26 21:59:14 Thoughts from a former pilot with Kobe. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-01-26/kobe-bryants-helicopter-feels-like-a-limousine-but-had-strong-safety-record-nba-stars-former-pilot-said About the S-76B in general... "'The likelihood of a catastrophic twin engine failure on that aircraft — it just doesn’t happen,' he said."
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Jan 26 21:59:35 http://www...rd-nba-stars-former-pilot-said Oops.
McKobb Member	Mon Jan 27 01:08:13 What do you expect from a helicopter built in 1991?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 27 05:21:35 Hey dear vultures, how is this in anyway, Kobe's fault, was he piloting it? It's OK to be sad, we won't think less of you.
Dukhat Member	Mon Jan 27 07:03:28 From what I read, the pilot screwed up. Almost ran into a mountain, climbed rapidly to try to avoid it, then went into the clouds and lost control. Really, they should not have been flying in those kind of weather conditions in the first place. Land somewhere safe and then uber the rest of the way. It sucks though. Kobe was the Muhammed Ali of the 21st century. That is to say, he was arrogant and cocky and age caught up to him but you had to respect him for the results he delivered in his prime.
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