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Camaban
The Overseer
Tue Jan 28 03:15:39
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk5XkhUKMDM

These two lived in China for 15 years. One of them was teaching English and basic Western standards of hygiene to doctors. Repeating what he's heard from them and giving more background.

Been watching them for a while.
Camaban
The Overseer
Tue Jan 28 03:18:35
http://www.globaltimes.cn//content/1177737.shtml

This is the global times' "realtime" (Hasn't been updated since 10am yesterday. Before that it was frequent) updates.

Been using that as a source for the unrealistic best case scenario for the current event.
Camaban
The Overseer
Tue Jan 28 03:19:37
http://gis...a7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

And a map. Ultimately based off official data. Still a good best case indicator.
Sam Adams
Member
Tue Jan 28 07:53:21
Is it still mostly old people?
McKobb
Member
Tue Jan 28 08:37:05
Pre war prep!
The Children
Member
Tue Jan 28 12:39:43
lol u little cucks are scared, pissin ur pants like the cucks that u are?

lol cucks this is what seperates boys from the real men like me.

im a real real man.

ur cuckolds. half women half cowards half spineless boys.

while u were pissin ur pants, meanwhile a vaccine has already been developed, cuckolds.

Habebe
Member
Tue Jan 28 12:47:12
Holy shit camaban is still around?

I remember his pictures of his wife's family feeding him candy...lol

Anyway, I give China credit where its due. I dont think any other nation in the world could have built a 1k bed hospital in 5 days and contained whole cities as well as they have.


hood
Member
Tue Jan 28 12:50:38
^ didn't watch the video.
Paramount
Member
Tue Jan 28 13:18:11
” Tue Jan 28 03:15:39
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk5XkhUKMDM

These two lived in China for 15 years. One of them was teaching English and basic Western standards of hygiene to doctors. Repeating what he's heard from them and giving more background.

Been watching them for a while.”


You have been watching two Brits shitting on the Chinese government for a while? Should we be surprised? :P
Habebe
Member
Tue Jan 28 13:27:02
Hood, haha...no I did not. Literally the first line....
Paramount
Member
Tue Jan 28 13:42:17
Camaban, you will probably like this channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/laowhy86

Maybe you are already a subscriber?

It’s an american guy who went to China, picked up a girl and took her to America where he has brainwashed her to hate her own country. He is now also so paranoid that he thinks the Chinese government is paying youtubers to attack him.
Paramount
Member
Wed Jan 29 17:22:37
WHO lauds Chinese response to virus

GENEVA (Reuters) - The World Health Organization (WHO) praised China on Wednesday for its efforts to tackle the coronavirus outbreak [...]

[...]

WHO chief:

“I was very encouraged and impressed by the president’s detailed knowledge of the outbreak and his personal involvement in the outbreak. This was for me a very rare leadership,” said Tedros


Dr. Mike Ryan, head of WHO health emergencies programmes, who accompanied Tedros on the two-day trip, said that China had “a laser focus” on stopping the outbreak.

“They are taking extraordinary measures in the face of what is an extraordinary challenge,” he said, referring to China.

http://uk....navirus-outbreak-idUKKBN1ZS2E8


Yeah, but two British youtubers says that China sucks and that Beijing might execute the leaders of Wuhan for letting the virus spread. Why won’t WHO say something about?
Dukhat
Member
Thu Jan 30 00:43:36
lol, Camadan gonna die off Asian flu and all because he had to have mediocre chinese pussy and couldn't get a real well-paying job in the west.

AHHAHAHAHAHHAAH
Camaban
The Overseer
Sat Feb 01 07:41:33
>>You have been watching two Brits shitting on the Chinese government for a while? Should we be surprised? :P<<

The shitting on China is more recent.

And their experiences match up with mine. So I'd rate them reliable.

>>Maybe you are already a subscriber?

It’s an american guy who went to China, picked up a girl and took her to America where he has brainwashed her to hate her own country. He is now also so paranoid that he thinks the Chinese government is paying youtubers to attack him.<<

Yep, I am.

And the comments are full of your standard wu mao following the script.

>>Yeah, but two British youtubers says that China sucks and that Beijing might execute the leaders of Wuhan for letting the virus spread. Why won’t WHO say something about?<<

That's a question for the WHO.

All I need to say there is that the Chinese government considers the Wuhan mayor to have failed, and the Wuhan says the Chinese legal and political system stopped him from doing more.

Both sound right. Either one of these says the govt failed.

And the numbers are still utterly fake.
The Children
Member
Sat Feb 01 07:44:20
so r u, fake too.

lmao. meanwhile in aussieland, i think thats the sound of karma...
Camaban
The Overseer
Sat Feb 01 20:05:56
>>so r u, fake too.

lmao. meanwhile in aussieland, i think thats the sound of karma...<<

No, and I doubt someone who's so ignorant he didn't realise you could get a visa that lasted longer than four days (or just assumed he wouldn't want to go for more than four days) could tell the difference.
The Children
Member
Sun Feb 02 01:49:52
i dunt know wtf u talkin about, kid.

remember u cockroaches burnt down a buildin meant for quarantine, knowingly and willingly.

but now u are scared, now u r worried, now u r cryin right.

u are darwins law. lmao

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Feb 02 02:21:34
no red dots on Madagascar, this virus may have revealed itself too early
jergul
large member
Sun Feb 02 07:45:29
TW
Maybe not. Does Madagascar have a viable population of "humanbeings that matter"?
Camaban
The Overseer
Mon Feb 03 08:04:17
>>i dunt know wtf u talkin about, kid.<<

I know you don't.

>>remember u cockroaches burnt down a buildin meant for quarantine, knowingly and willingly.

but now u are scared, now u r worried, now u r cryin right.

u are darwins law. lmao<<

I've reproduced. How many kids do you have?

>>no red dots on Madagascar, this virus may have revealed itself too early<<

Basically this. The Wuhan govt (really, the whole CCP organisation) tried to play a winning strategy, but they just barely failed.
The Children
Member
Mon Feb 03 12:29:03
"I've reproduced. How many kids do you have? "

>> u got baby cockroaches. u didnt reproduced idiot.
u have infected the world.

"Basically this. The Wuhan govt (really, the whole CCP organisation) tried to play a winning strategy, but they just barely failed. "

>> and what strategy do u cockroaches have. u burnt a building down meant for quarantine and then u realized the FUCK UP AND STARTED CRYIN FOR DAYS.

THATS U, FUCK UPS AND USELESS MILLENIALS.
Camaban
The Overseer
Tue Feb 04 06:02:28
>> u got baby cockroaches. u didnt reproduced idiot.
u have infected the world.<<

A darwinistic failure doesn't reproduce.

>> and what strategy do u cockroaches have. u burnt a building down meant for quarantine and then u realized the FUCK UP AND STARTED CRYIN FOR DAYS.

THATS U, FUCK UPS AND USELESS MILLENIALS.<<

In addition to being a Darwinistic failure, you're also a millennial.

And from your poverty, useless.
The Children
Member
Wed Feb 05 12:49:22
yea thats why im awesome while u suck.

cockroaches are dawrins law. u burnt down a hospital, realized U FUCKED UP and now ur placin blame like the cowardly FUCKS that u are.

darwins law says ur not awesome. ur FUCKED.
Sam Adams
Member
Wed Feb 05 15:28:17
Tc stop eating bats!!!
The Children
Member
Thu Feb 06 01:55:03
squirrel eater, u recently had squirrel balls for breakfast. who u talkin to.
Camaban
The Overseer
Thu Feb 06 05:59:58
>>yea thats why im awesome while u suck.<<

You're awesome because you're a useless, broke millennial?

>>cockroaches are dawrins law. u burnt down a hospital, realized U FUCKED UP and now ur placin blame like the cowardly FUCKS that u are.<<

A much bigger victory has been won.

The locusts have been cut off.

It would be impossible for HK to produce enough buildings for the swarms that would have come over. This victory is worth many, many buildings.
The Children
Member
Thu Feb 06 06:37:31
yea ur so awesome then why are u in china.

u r the locusts u ugly cockroach, we will cut u off and throw u out of hk. u can go back 2 aussieland whats left of it after god layed its wrath on u.
The Children
Member
Fri Feb 07 03:07:15
how u doing cockroach. u got enough food? enough masks? did u had 2 stand 12 hours 2 get a pack?

HAHAHAA

HAHAHA

MORE KARMA!!!

EVERYDAY we witness KARMA AND DARWINS LAW destroying u cockroaches!

jesus just how fuckin stupid do u feel right now man.

keep whining and keep bitching.

go ahead, close ALL borders. close the food shipments too while ur at it!!!
those 12 hours will turn into a whole week standing in front of the supermarket.

u wunt stand there on the 8th day, coz by then u have starved to death.

hahaha idiot.
The Children
Member
Fri Feb 07 03:07:59
DARWINS LAW IN FULL EFFECT!!!

Camaban
The Overseer
Fri Feb 07 04:55:56
>>yea ur so awesome then why are u in china.<<

Because I was offered a shitload of money to be in the one civilised part of China.

Although the govt has done its best to change that last bit.

>>u r the locusts u ugly cockroach, we will cut u off and throw u out of hk. u can go back 2 aussieland whats left of it after god layed its wrath on u.<<

Who's this 'we'?

>>how u doing cockroach.<<

Very well.

>>u got enough food? <<

Plenty. Enough for a couple of weeks, but adding to it.

This isn't the first time Chinese governmental incompetence has led to me doing disaster prep.

>>enough masks?<<

Heaps.

>>did u had 2 stand 12 hours 2 get a pack?<<

Nope. My employer purchased a shitload.

>>HAHAHAA

HAHAHA

MORE KARMA!!!

EVERYDAY we witness KARMA AND DARWINS LAW destroying u cockroaches!

jesus just how fuckin stupid do u feel right now man.

keep whining and keep bitching.<<

So this disease that's infected (officially) tens of thousands of Mainland Chinese (and a couple of dozen Hong Kongers), has shut down major cities and is only in its early stages is karma?

>>go ahead, close ALL borders. close the food shipments too while ur at it!!!
those 12 hours will turn into a whole week standing in front of the supermarket.<<

By the time HK has problems, the rest of China will be a disaster.

>>u wunt stand there on the 8th day, coz by then u have starved to death.

hahaha idiot.<<

I like how in your view, someone who goes close to mainland China is an idiot.

Although from looking at how China is, I can understand how you come to that conclusion.
The Children
Member
Fri Feb 07 05:01:39
wall o text.

u burned down a building meant for quarantine. thats all everyone needs to know about darwin.

u are darwins law.

u are gettin OWNED.
Camaban
The Overseer
Fri Feb 07 05:16:48
No, I'm fine.

Given the choice, there's still no chance I'd swap your life for mine.
The Children
Member
Fri Feb 07 05:30:00
thats a lot of big talk for a cockroach trapped in a cage awaitin darwins law.

u stupid idiot, darwins law is gonna play out and u r it, dumb fuck.

hahaha even now this bitch thinks he so smart. u got kicked out of australia.
Camaban
The Overseer
Fri Feb 07 05:38:35
But how could being in China possible equate to being trapped?

Are you saying it's a horrible place to live?

Surely you trust Winnie the Flu when he says that the virus will be contained.

Surely you trust the CCP to manage this situation.

If all this is true, then it's not I that's trapped, but you.

By poverty.
Habebe
Member
Fri Feb 07 14:04:42
A survey found that two thirds of Chinese small businesses expect to fail if they have no revenue for two months

The headline " do I have to be a loser my whole life".... Tc's life story.

http://amp...oe-spread-chinese-social-media
The Children
Member
Fri Feb 07 14:23:21
lol u delusional or what?

its already contained, u dumb fuck. keep listenin 2 fake news.

oh btw not in the usa, so ur turn is comin up soon lololol. shuldve been carefull what u preach lmao.

Habebe
Member
Fri Feb 07 14:27:47
You do know that its a newspaper owned by the Alibaba group, right?
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 07 14:59:40
What % of US small businesses would expect to fail if they have no revenue for 2 months?
Habebe
Member
Fri Feb 07 17:08:47
Idk, we don't eat vermin so we dont have this problem.

Norway should be ok....until you can't sustain an economy anymore.
The Children
Member
Fri Feb 07 17:11:08
u eat vermin. the fuck u talkin about.
Habebe
Member
Fri Feb 07 17:14:44
Haha, you sound jealous...i guess when you eat as husky as an Ethiopian anything looks good.
Camaban
The Overseer
Fri Feb 07 18:08:09
>>its already contained, u dumb fuck. keep listenin 2 fake news.<<

To where has it been contained?

This is something I've been wondering since Xi said that. The best answer I can think of is 'Earth'
The Children
Member
Sat Feb 08 03:56:01
OH HEY COCKROACH! MEET UR OTHER FELLOW COCKROACHES!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WNVI-1f3mc&feature=youtu.be

WHAT A GREAT PLACE HAHAHA WHAT A GREAT PEOPLES HAHAHA

DARWINS LAW. u reap what u sow, u ugly bitch.

keep talkin shit, piggie. when u need help, we will know karma has arrived on ur doorstep.

u will sit there in bed and u will know who is "helping" u or not helpin u at all.

the same peoples that does this.

its like havin ur kids being babysit by a known childmolester...

u fuckin idiot.
Camaban
The Overseer
Sat Feb 08 04:40:35
I couldn't see any information that answered what I asked there.

To where has this been contained?
The Children
Member
Sat Feb 08 04:56:59
i wasnt aware people need to answer anything u say as we have established 15 years ago that anything comin out of ur mouth is pure nonsense and utter CRAP.

Camaban
The Overseer
Sat Feb 08 05:58:35
Shouldn't you be proud to trumpet the success of this containment by giving details on what region it's been contained to?

Knowing full well that those who read will be awe-inspired as they look at the maps of where it's showing up and realise you were right? That this isn't a clusterfuck that's gone completely out of control, and isn't just all over China, but all over the world?
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Feb 08 12:18:06
"we have established 15 years ago that anything comin out of ur mouth is pure nonsense and utter CRAP."

You seem to be confusing how everyone here feels about you with how you feel about Camaban.
The Children
Member
Sun Feb 09 01:44:45
camatard is gettin OWNED daily, gettin REKTED by karma. I LOVE IT!!

fuckin idiot, thats what u get for minglin with cockroaches who have no morals ethics or heart.

u hang around with thugs, u are thug. and u only get treated as thugs by others and thugs will sooner or later backstab u anyway becoz SURPRISE they are thugs and cockroaches.

lmao u thought last weeks strike was bad by medical thugs?

GUESS WHAT, THEY AINT DONE YET. ANOTHER STRIKE IS ANNOUNCED!!!

CAMAPIIIGGG CAMAPIIIIGGG GETTIN ROASTEED HAHAHA.

remember kid, when u get sick, nobody aint gonna help u. doesnt matter where u stood with them 6 months ago.

U JUST GOT POWNED

The Children
Member
Sun Feb 09 01:45:24
thats what u get for trustin childmolesters to babysit ur children, u fuckin numbskull idiot
Camaban
The Overseer
Sun Feb 09 04:28:52
It's interesting how many of your arguments rely on HK being in a worse state than the mainland.

When the opposite is true.

If what's happening to me is Karma, what does that say about the Chinese people as a whole?
jergul
large member
Sun Feb 09 04:50:21
Cam
In the 90s, I shared a dormatory floor with 300 chinese people for a few months. 5 of them were from Shanghai, the rest from various rural villages.

The Shanghai folk I could relate to. The rest...

What I can say about the Chinese people as a whole is that they have gotten a lot better over the course of 25 odd years.
The Children
Member
Sun Feb 09 05:14:05
"It's interesting how many of your arguments rely on HK being in a worse state than the mainland."

>> whats interesting is how u constantly avoid the points i made becoz lets face it, all of it are FACTS.

F A_ C_ T_ S

FAAAAACCCCCTTTSSSSS!!!! bitch.

all of it are true and u fuckin know it. thats why u avoid it like the plague becoz deepdown u know u got OWNED and rekted.

Thats what u get for minglin, socializin, supportin, COCKROACHES.

once a rotten cockroach, always a rotten cockroach and it was just a matter of time before u got stabbed in the back.

i mean lets face some facts here. These people lit an elderly man on fire, live execution, just becoz he spoke out against them.

u fuckin idiots supported utter rotten criminals like that. at what point do u think u werent gonna get treated the same way, u stupid motherfuckin idiot.

fuckin rekted.

get serviced by medics who dont wanna help u, idiot.

even when there is a bed for u, do u wanna lay in that hospital and bed knowin the medics helpin u have no intention and no motivation 2 help u at all. they can just leave u whenever they like going on strike again.

fuckin idiot. OWNED hahaha
Camaban
The Overseer
Sun Feb 09 06:54:05
@Jergul - Like China as a whole, there was nowhere to go but up. Also, I'm responding to TC's "logic"

Anyway, the PRC does shape what China as a whole is like. Things were improving for a while. Pooh Bear has killed that. Deng was an absolute positive. (Not just compared with Mao, which is setting the bar a bit low. He's someone I respect) Sure, there was Tian'anmen square. There was also liberalisation after it, and it's something that could have easily been taken as an opportunity to turn China into something that had the flexibility to survive long term. They even had an ideal testing ground for new policies in the form of Hong Kong.

The others in between were mediocre, but hey, there was still some improvement.

Then you get someone in who, in addition to fucking up the golden opportunity he'd been presented with, destroyed Deng's major political legacy, which was China's sole way of managing an orderly, blood free transfer of power.

Now that there are no term limits, and his opposition has been dealt with, he leaves power when he's either dead or about to be dead. Not before. When that happens, there's going to be nobody available to replace him.

And the simple fact is that the CCP will keep on doing this. Any improvements will be temporary. One party rule is a system designed to be exploited. Even if they do learn the lesson from Xi and go back to where they were after Mao.

Even in death, the CCP will fuck China. There's no peaceful way of replacing it, and all governments fall. The only question is when and how.

Its legacy could easily be a civil war in a country with the world's WW1 population and leadership that gives less of a shit about casualties than the most careless WW1 general, fought with 21st century weapons.

Even after that, its legacy will be a China that the rest of the world distrusts and, outside of the Pearl River Delta, the world sees absolutely zero reason to help.

The world tried helping China before. It ended badly. Why would they help it again?

>> whats interesting is how u constantly avoid the points i made becoz lets face it, all of it are FACTS.<<

No, they've been answered many times before. There's nothing new there.
Daemon
Member
Mon Feb 17 10:23:52
http://www.shine.cn/news/metro/2002172204/

[...]
The wireless door magnet mechanism, which can be easily installed onto any door frame, will send an alarm to neighborhood committee and subdistrict officials automatically once the door of a quarantined household is opened.

The high-tech gadget, initiated in Putuo District, is being promoted across the city to help local neighborhood committees amid the outbreak.

The Guiyangyuan Neighborhood in Caoyang Community, China's first community built for model workers in the 1950s, was among the first to install such door catches for quarantined households.

The old neighborhood has over 400 households coming from main coronavirus-hit regions.

Previously, each of eight neighborhood committee staff had to work over 12 hours every day to visit and take care of 50 quarantined households.

Thanks to the Internet of Things device, they can now work more efficiently. Once a quarantined resident opens their door, the catch will send a message to their phones while also generating an alert for the subdistrict's urban management system.

The new device is far more efficient than traditional management methods, such as paying visits frequently, said Chen Jian, Party secretary of the Guiyangyuan neighborhood committee.
[...]
The Children
Member
Tue Feb 18 13:12:59
camatard u have been owned by real life. its called darwins law. ur so fuckin stupid, u deserve every single bit of it.

enjoy the level of ownage u and ur cockroaches r receivin from karma.

thats what u fucktards get for burning down a quarantine building.

karma comes knockin on ur door.

the boot is gonna end up in ur face.

knock knock.

whose there.

darwins law.

fucktard.

Habebe
Member
Tue Feb 18 16:05:38
This is a mixed bag for China, they have made headway for the first time ever witj the Hong Kong protests and most pf thw people during arw the elderly which Beijinh sees as a drag on the economy anyway.
Dukhat
Member
Tue Feb 18 18:36:01
Recession pretty much guaranteed for China and probably Europe now. If Coranovirus concerns increase maybe America too.
jergul
large member
Tue Feb 18 18:38:56
Recession for China? Two consecutive quarters of negative growth? That is your prediction Dukhat?
Habebe
Member
Tue Feb 18 19:08:30
I think it will have a drop in growth, but Idk about a recession.Chima is dealing with a lot of shit on its plate,not just covid 19, China has a lot of structural Problems that are coming to light.
Dukhat
Member
Tue Feb 18 20:26:24
If most businesses and factories shut down for over a month, you're almost certainly going to see negative growth for that quarter for that area. Japan is in recession and Germany is almost certainly in recession now. Not my opinion. Just what the trade papers are saying.
jergul
large member
Wed Feb 19 01:24:06
Dukhat
China is looking at 5,2-5,4% growth this quarter.
I am not disputing "maybe Europe" There may be 2 quarters of negative growth in Europe in 2020.
Dukhat
Member
Wed Feb 19 02:46:10
5.2-5.4% is basically a recession for China. You have to grade on a curve.
jergul
large member
Wed Feb 19 02:51:24
Or you can grade according to actual definition of a recession.

The earth is virtually flat. Just compare its curvature to that of the moon.

Relativism is whataboutism in a fancy jacket.
Seb
Member
Wed Feb 19 07:22:29
Slow down and recession are structurally different tho. Actual contraction involves reduced standards of living, much bigger problems.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Wed Feb 19 12:01:29
http://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1230164640283361286
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