Utopia Talk / Politics / official BS by delusional fraud POTUS#25

tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 01 13:32:09 The Department of Justice revealed in a court filing late Friday that it has two dozen emails related to President Donald Trump's involvement in the withholding of millions in security assistance to Ukraine -- a disclosure that came just hours after the Senate voted against subpoenaing additional documents and witnesses in Trump's impeachment trial, paving the way for his acquittal. The filing, released near midnight Friday, marks the first official acknowledgment from the Trump administration that emails about the President's thinking related to the aid exist, and that he was directly involved in asking about and deciding on the aid as early as June. The administration is still blocking those emails from the public and has successfully kept them from Congress. A lawyer with the Office of Management and Budget wrote to the court that 24 emails between June and September 2019 -- including an internal discussion among DOD officials called "POTUS follow-up" on June 24 -- should stay confidential because the emails describe "communications by either the President, the Vice President, or the President's immediate advisors regarding Presidential decision-making about the scope, duration, and purpose of the hold on military assistance to Ukraine." ... The filings from the executive branch came Friday to meet a court-ordered January 31 deadline. A judge had specifically asked for an email-by-email breakdown of what the Justice Department redacted or withheld in Defense Department and OMB emails about the aid, and why it did so, after the Center for Public Integrity sued and got access to them in December through the Freedom of Information Act. http://www...-justice-department/index.html so a filing near midnight on a court deadline to reveal that yeah, they have a bunch of emails that would likely show Trump alleged innocence or definite guilt ...& conveniently just after the Senate votes for no evidence but i'm sure Trump is super angry they aren't showing those docs...
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 01 14:07:10 How much of these threads is just TW?
Paramount Member	Sat Feb 01 14:27:51 I think TW said in one of these threads that he doesn’t expect everyone to read them, although he is happy if you do, and that he is doing these threads mainly to document the bs of Trump. Or something like that.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 01 14:31:39 i'll guess 65%
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 01 16:34:10 I was guessing about 60-70% so that sounds to be a fair number.
TJ Member	Sun Feb 02 13:10:10 I checked 12 full threads for trivia interest. The percentage is slightly over 60. Out of 1200 posts 728 were made by TW.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 02 13:39:31 a crushing victory over all of you combined! i owe it all to us having a grossly unfit obvious fraud child criminal president... (which is an insanely ridiculous situation)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 02 14:03:51 " Mini Mike is now negotiating both to get on the Democrat Primary debate stage, and to have the right to stand on boxes, or a lift, during the debates. This is sometimes done, but really not fair! " ~ the absurdity & he's not joking... he also brought (will bring) it up in his Hannity interview before the Super Bowl (yay, Hannity & Trump just before the Super Bowl...) “He is a pathological liar who lies about everything: his fake hair, his obesity, and his spray-on tan” ~ Bloomberg spokesperson in her denial ...i have no problem believing Trump is just lying about the box negotiations (probably completely made-up by Trump as is common for him... -which is INSANE-... it's not only on petty meaningless issues)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 02 14:11:48 here's Trump propagandist Hannity bringing the clip to Trump propaganda show Fox & Friends http://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1223973472554176514 apparently it's a highlight of the interview Hannity, even w/ his crack team, unwilling to confirm the box allegations though i'm sure the two of them will do a great job trying to unify the country & not be too political...
Rugian Member	Sun Feb 02 14:14:53 TW - The DNC just changed its debate rules specifically in order to let Bloomberg on the stage if he qualifies under the polling thresholds. Tell me how exactly you think that's fair? The box thing is clearly a joke, and it's a funny one. I see a completely reasonable tweet and an insane person who is melting down over it.
Habebe Member	Sun Feb 02 14:54:47 Rugian, Fair or not, Bloomberg is terrible spraking and on camera....let him speak.
Habebe Member	Sun Feb 02 14:58:37 Even as horrible of a person as Trumpmay be at times...Bloomberg is worse than Hillary...like you really have to try to be that much of a scumbag.
Rugian Member	Sun Feb 02 15:32:53 Habebe - Yes, I've heard that argument, and Warren seems to have supported getting him on the debate stage for that exact same reason. Problem is that if Bloomberg does even a half-decent job on the stage, then all the DNC has done is to further legitimize him. That, plus his massive advantage in spending, could put him over the edge. Also Warren is a bit player who has no concept of what voters outside of her narrow base are actually attracted to, so her endorsement of this idea doesn't exactly make me comfortable.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 02 15:37:25 " The box thing is clearly a joke, and it's a funny one. " how is it a joke? did you watch the video? he's doing his typical 'unfair' whining... no smiling, no indication of joke at all & the Fox & Friends believed it
jergul large member	Sun Feb 02 16:19:42 Well, at least we now know what presidential candidate Ruggy thinks has the best chance of beating Trump.
Rugian Member	Sun Feb 02 16:24:45 jergul The equation is more like Destructive Potential x Electability Bloomberg is low on the second part, but VERY high on the first.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 02 20:57:47 a response to Trumps Bloomberg tweet above: " STFU, you impeached-for-life dimwit. He MADE his money HIMSELF, and is morally, financially, and intellectually worth 100 of you. "Really not fair"? coming from the likes of you, you fraud? What the fuck do you know about fairness, you lying cheating backstabbing traitor?? " by.... Bette Middler
Habebe Member	Sun Feb 02 21:19:03 Ah yes the wisdom of bette middler.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 02 21:23:24 accurate criticism though
Rugian Member	Sun Feb 02 22:09:07 No. And please tell me you're not one of those simps who gush their pants every time a random celebrity comes out and makes a "brave" political stance (meaning they repeat verboten what's fashionable in Hollywood culture). I currently hold you (slightly) above IBTY in that regard. Please dont ruin that.
Habebe Member	Sun Feb 02 22:26:04 Accurate? Ha it's one thing to be anti Trump. It's a whole other to be pro bloomberg... Fucking Hillary is less horrid than Bloomberg and that's saying something.
Habebe Member	Sun Feb 02 22:32:00 Hey remember he also has the support of judge Judy. Apparently old Jew cunts adore the man who waged war on the poor.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 02 23:34:44 i liked her passion... it showed up in my twitter feed for some reason it's accurate in term of Trump having no morals, & Bloomberg being richer & smarter (low bar), & that Trump has no concept of fairness & is a fraud & cheats & backstabs & is a traitor (i'm making no assessment of Bloomberg, don't know much about him)
Habebe Member	Sun Feb 02 23:44:59 Fair enough. If you get the chance google up bloomberg His war on the poor goes much farther than the food donation bit, but it gets a bit more in depth.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Feb 03 13:09:22 “The president is a best-selling author and deeply gifted orator who packs arenas and has a meticulous and carefully honed method for writing his speeches. Whether it be at a rally, a manufacturing plant opening or the State of the Union. What the American people hear is 100 percent President Trump’s own words.” ~ Hogan Gidley, White House spokesman, evil Bilbo got that you fucking stupid cultists? some more obvious bullshit for you to swallow... telling obvious lies to supporters is a sign of disrespect, Trump does it, his team does it... start noticing
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 04 01:51:53 President Donald Trump was caught in a new video fidgeting, adjusting his chair and pretending to conduct a band during the recitation of The Star-Spangled Banner Sunday at his Super Bowl 2020 watch party in Florida. (video is here, but may have to watch an ad...) http://nyp...ng-super-bowl-national-anthem/ he is a child mentally... the evidence is overwhelming also... recall his crusade against kneelers (which is a respectful act)
Dukhat Member	Tue Feb 04 01:56:28 "Hey remember he also has the support of judge Judy. Apparently old Jew cunts adore the man who waged war on the poor." lol. When's the last time Habebe lifted a finger to help the poor? And for that made up point, you combined it with some racist nonsense. Reactionaries are so sad.
kargen Member	Tue Feb 04 18:58:28 Rasmussen polls have President Trumps approval rating among likely voters above 50%. The impeachment paid off after all.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 04 20:28:03 and Rasmussen was off by a whopping 10 points in 2018
kargen Member	Tue Feb 04 22:02:05 And they were .1% off in 2016.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 04 22:05:29 and 2018 is more recent than 2016 I'm curious why you chose that poll... it's the same one Trump always cites... I know Trump cites it as it is consistently better for him than other polls
kargen Member	Tue Feb 04 22:13:44 Sure but 2016 was a presidential race 2018 was not. And I think it is obvious why that poll. It polls likely voters not all adults.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 04 22:20:24 oh, I didn't realize that was the only poll of likely voters... hmm... you may be mistaken: http://pro...trump-approval-ratings/voters/
Habebe Member	Tue Feb 04 23:09:00 Tw, At your link all the LV polls have him higher than the RV polls. 3 Rasmussen and one zogby for LV.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 05 00:03:16 i'm not arguing that, i'm arguing there are a ton of LV polls... in ~40-50 range the C+ (bad) rated Rasmussen consistently high or highest for Trump
Habebe Member	Wed Feb 05 00:25:53 Ok but, your link has 4 as I listed, the lowest is 49% and is an older Rasmussen poll.
jergul large member	Wed Feb 05 01:07:29 43.5% approval currently.
Habebe Member	Wed Feb 05 01:11:04 Depends on what current means. The most recent polls are higher. Gallup has it as 49%...but that is an RV poll.
Habebe Member	Wed Feb 05 01:16:24 He may get a slight bump for the best SOTU ever aired on TV too. You have to admit it was pretty cool. In real time he Showed support for Guaido. Gave a little girl a scholarship. Recognized the newly appointed brigandeir general. Gave Rush the medal of freedom. Reunited a military family. All while still giving a speech.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 05 01:25:29 ...& lied his ass off about what he supports the scholarship & reuniting family member just reality TV show stunts by reality TV show prez and Rush Limbaugh getting a medal of freedom during SOTU? hardly a uniting hero to all of America
Habebe Member	Wed Feb 05 04:26:59 But you gotta admit it makes good tv.
patom Member	Wed Feb 05 05:47:47 http://www...k-trumps-claims-020255453.html
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 05 11:59:26 maybe we need a court jester role for entertaining people, and have a competent mentally-fit adult making the decisions
jergul large member	Wed Feb 05 12:22:28 lol, ripping up the speech is dominating donald's tweets. The democrats may have gotten around to having a couple of behavioural psyciatrists on retainer.
jergul large member	Wed Feb 05 12:26:54 New York (CNN Business)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's shredding of President Trump's State of the Union speech was ripped right from Trump's playbook. It was unprecedented behavior for a speaker, aggressively rude and unapologetically meant to rile up her base. It was divisive, but effective. The tear seemed to get just as much morning TV attention as the content of Trump's speech. Conservatives denounced her disrespect. Liberals praised her passion. Both sides were incentivized to heap attention onto the moment. It took the Democrats three years, but they may have finally figured out how to control a news cycle in the Trump era. Vice President Mike Pence claps as Speaker of the US House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi rips a copy of President Trump's speech after he delivers the State of the Union address Vice President Mike Pence claps as Speaker of the US House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi rips a copy of President Trump's speech after he delivers the State of the Union address Overnight and into the morning, the video snippet was shown on a loop on TV and the web. It was, even some of Pelosi's critics begrudgingly admitted, perfect fodder for the meme wars. "She gave us something to talk about. She knew exactly what she was doing," Fox's Steve Doocy said as he reenacted the ripping to great effect. It turned the annual address into a personality clash between a Republican man who said he was turning America around and a Democratic woman who said he was lying. On social media, partisans argued over "who started it" — Pelosi by leading the House to impeach Trump, or Trump by appearing to ignore her outstretched hand when he walked into the House chamber on Tuesday night. Some wondered if Pelosi was deliberately replacing one meme-worthy moment with another. Seems like Pelosi may have been trying to replace Meme 1 -- Trump ignoring her outstretched hand -- with Meme 2 -- her ripping up his #SOTU over his shoulder as he was still on the dais. — Ashley Parker (@AshleyRParker) February 5, 2020 Newspaper editors revised their front pages accordingly. The New York Times replaced a photo of a stone-faced Pelosi sitting behind Trump with a livelier photo of Pelosi in mid-tear. The new subheadline said "Tensions Grow as He and Pelosi Swap Snubs." The rip-seen-round-the-country totally overshadowed the official Democratic rebuttal address. Around midnight, as cable commentators chewed on the meaning of the tear, Pelosi's office issued a statement that seemed to justify her action by pointing out some of the false claims Trump made. "The manifesto of mistruths presented in page after page of the address tonight should be a call to action for everyone who expects truth from the President and policies worthy of his office and the American people," Pelosi said. The president's defenders ignored the factual issues with Trump's speech and targeted Pelosi instead — Sean Hannity called the ripping moment "one of the most classless things ever done in the history of the State of the Union.‬" In the morning, Fox commentator Jason Chaffetz said "I have never seen anybody act so childish in my life." The "Today" show led with a graphic titled "ON A TEAR," and then had a discussion about the act with a conservative and a liberal guest. The Democrat, Claire McCaskill, said the ripping wasn't her "favorite" move, but "it was a speech that was full of lies." Trump produced his own morning show on Twitter, with a burst of anti-Pelosi retweets, many featuring the hashtag #PelosiTantrum. By 8 a.m., he had shared more posts about her than about his own speech. Over on "Fox & Friends," Vice President Pence laid into Pelosi, saying "I wasn't sure if she was ripping up the speech or the Constitution." Of course, all of these TV segments and Twitter hashtags reflect choices about how and where to exert attention. Ripping up a piece of paper is only a big story if members of the media decide to make it a big story, and if members of the public respond by reading and watching and reacting. Whether these attention-grabbing tactics are in the best interest of the country, well, that's a debate that requires more than one TV segment worth of time. Producers would rather move on to the next controversy instead. ========== lol
Rugian Member	Wed Feb 05 12:35:35 Jergul, Every single article on CNN is geared toward putting Trump's presidency in the worst light possible. Of course they'd be singing the praises of Pelosi today (they've been basically giving her the hero worship treatment for the last tel years, why stop now?) Breitbart is currently praising the SoTU speech for its ability to draw black voters to the GOP. As long as we're looking at news sites with such heavy slants.
Rugian Member	Wed Feb 05 12:42:15 "On social media, partisans argued over "who started it" — Pelosi by leading the House to impeach Trump, or Trump by appearing to ignore her outstretched" Lol CNN is such trash. If anything "started" it, it was Pelosi intentionally dropping the "high honor and distinct privilege" language from the formal introduction of POTUS. Funny how that doesnt even get mentioned here. Tw you really rely on this site to inform you on Trump? Lmao!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 05 13:12:36 for the record, CNN noted she dropped that language (& appropriately so)... was one of first things they talked about when noting Pelosi's actions ======= Mitt Romney just delivered a solemn devastating rebuke of Trump's actions & he's voting to convict so... "bipartisan!"
Rugian Member	Wed Feb 05 13:37:57 I hope Utah is happy that Romney just set the next five years of federal appropriations for his state on fire
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 05 13:41:10 are you celebrating abuse of power? everyone should bow to the petty vindictive king?
Rugian Member	Wed Feb 05 13:45:10 No impeachable abuse of power occurred, as the Senate is about to definitivly express.
Rugian Member	Wed Feb 05 13:50:22 It's fine. Romney prioritized fifteen minutes of favorable media coverage and access to exclusive DC cocktail parties over voting objectively according to the evidence. Ultimately it changes nothing, excepting Romney's influence with the White House of course.
kargen Member	Wed Feb 05 14:07:11 "maybe we need a court jester role for entertaining people" Nancy was there.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Wed Feb 05 14:33:36 http://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1225151020113846272
Habebe Member	Wed Feb 05 14:49:12 If Obama had done this all wed hear from cnn is praise and fox would rant on how it wasted tax money.....meh..... Great SOTU....dare I say best ever aired in recent memory. Side note....isnt it technically illegal to destroy government documents?
Habebe Member	Wed Feb 05 14:50:14 Nor much beats his attempt to bus illegals to sanctuary cities though.....loved it.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 05 16:37:57 "Side note....isnt it technically illegal to destroy government documents?" Trump has ripped up many... (including originals) ...as to Nancy, i doubt you have to keep every copy of every doc (although i did see people tweeting that same claim)
kargen Member	Wed Feb 05 17:19:17 I'm hoping nobody is taking serious the ripping up documents thing. Ya never know though.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 05 17:30:40 one of Trump's ~25 retweets about it: "Nancy’s legacy is ripping up a document she is mandated to preserve. She’s a complete failure" (i know you don't think the words of the President should matter... as you are crazy)
Rugian Member	Wed Feb 05 17:36:56 That speech-ripping, not to mention her entire acting performance that evening, was so obviously scripted. The attempts by CNN (tw's favorite source) to praise its "spontenaity" were beyond pathetic. "Nancy Pelosi ‘pre-ripped’ pages of Trump’s SOTU speech, video shows By Tamar LapinFebruary 5, 2020 | 5:10pm House Speaker Nancy Pelosi apparently made tiny tears into her copy of President Trump’s State of the Union address — so that her speech-ripping moment could go off without a hitch. As Trump introduced cancer-stricken radio host Rush Limbaugh — who received the Medal of Freedom during the speech — Pelosi could be seen grabbing the pages off the table. Video shows her making what seemed to be a tearing motion and then placing the pages back on the table. Photos of the sheets of paper show them face down on the table with small slits on the side, near where Pelosi would eventually rip them into pieces." http://nyp...rumps-sotu-speech-video-shows/ Basically we saw an 80 year old woman acting like a teenager for two hours. I almost feel sorry for the establishment media shills who had to sell her performance to their audiences.
kargen Member	Wed Feb 05 17:54:48 "(i know you don't think the words of the President should matter... as you are crazy)" Nowhere have I ever said that. I said his tweets don't matter. And again you calling me crazy give me comfort because I know what world you are living in.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 05 18:07:48 what do you think tweets are? he has specifically said it's his method of speaking to the public... has given orders through it... has called it his way of informing Congress of his intentions... they are official statements of the president as claimed by his first piece of shit press secretary & his lawyers (although the lawyers, as weasels by profession, not always consistent) --------- anyway, he has reposted his attack video of Mitt, the one that claims he 'posed as a Republican' to try to infiltrate Trump's administration & that now his 'cover blown' being exposed by 'news reports' of being a 'Democrat secret asset'... such honesty & maturity http://twi...ump/status/1225203837226700800
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 06 02:11:34 Don Jr. called Mitt a pussy always such classy substantive retorts from the fraud boys
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 06 12:23:56 i hope everyone listens to the long 'speech' he just did... very humble & unifying related... can someone name any of the dirty cop scumbags who ran for the hills after they were exposed (including by "the most legitimate human being" Devin Nunes), or other coup plotters, who have been charged?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 06 12:29:23 ...or even -accused- of a crime by a credible person (ie. not the President of the United States)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 06 15:04:55 kargen: "I'm hoping nobody is taking serious the ripping up documents thing. " capo Matt Gaetz (a congressman...): "I'm filing an ethics complaint against @SpeakerPelosi for destroying @realDonaldTrump 's State of the Union speech. Her conduct was beneath the dignity of the House, and a potential violation of law (18 USC 2071). Nobody is above the law. She must be held accountable." http://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1225255448745533440 Gaetz has some serious ass-worshipping to do after falling from Trump's graces for voting to limit the petty fraud child's war powers
kargen Member	Thu Feb 06 15:43:14 "what do you think tweets are?" They are these things President Trump uses to rile up the press. Basically a tweet from President Trump is like a laser pointer and the press is a whole herd of cats giving chase to the little red light.
kargen Member	Thu Feb 06 15:44:08 ""I'm filing an ethics complaint against @SpeakerPelosi for destroying @realDonaldTrump 's State of the Union speech." An ethics violation is different than what was being discussed earlier. Nice try though.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 06 16:09:27 he's citing a law & accusing her of violating it... what is different? also, why are you accepting a Gaetz tweet as having meaning? ...why does Trump get special treatment on EVERYTHING?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 06 16:26:09 Ben Shapiro's take on Trump's rant today: " Republicans after SOTU: Well done, Mr. President. If you remain cool and collected and on message like that, you'll win 55 percent of the vote. Trump: *DOWNS 8 RED BULLS, BUSTS THROUGH WALL LIKE KOOL-AID MAN, TAKES ENORMOUS DUMP ON PODIUM* Republicans: *Cheer wildly* "
kargen Member	Thu Feb 06 17:00:52 "also, why are you accepting a Gaetz tweet as having meaning?" I replied to your comment. Until Gaetz does something his tweet is worthless. Again nice try at reading my mind. You failed.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 06 17:30:45 so you feel there should be no expectation Gaetz is filing the complaint? i mean he put the signed & notarized papers in the tweet too... but still a tweet right? by what means of communication should it be believed? please tell us the approved list also, Trump was speaking from a podium at the White House today... you believe those are words right? were they fine? you're ok, w/ his continued dirty cops/foiled plots/Strzok 'insurance policy' meaning what Trump wants it to mean/hoaxes/etc. etc... even though NO investigation has established any of it?
kargen Member	Thu Feb 06 17:56:52 "so you feel there should be no expectation Gaetz is filing the complaint?" He did file. That is an action. His tweet was used to inform people that he filed the complaint. The action matters, the tweet had he decided not to file was just a tweet and meaningless. Didn't hear what President Trump said today. Context matters in these things. Was he expressing opinion on what transpired so far this week or was he introducing policy? One would be just opinion that can be dismissed as just that the other would be something to pay attention to. I've been saying since maybe July of 2016 I don't care for President Trumps tweets and wish he would quit posting them. That some people assign meaning to them just gets in the way of things. But yeah he is entitled to have an opinion just like anybody else and express that opinion on social media however he wishes.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 06 18:44:19 a tiny dose: " Had I not fired James Comey — who was a disaster, by the way — it’s possible I wouldn’t even be standing here right now. We caught him in the act. Dirty cops. Bad people. If this happened to President Obama, a lot of people would have been in jail for a long time already. Many, many years. ... And if I didn’t fire James Comey, we would have never found this stuff. Because when I fired that sleazebag, all hell broke out. They were ratting on each other. They were running for the hills. " all just innocent opinion? claiming the FBI was full of corrupt criminals... how was Comey caught in the act? who are the dirty cops? who ratted on someone? who ran for the hills? also, by team Trump's own standards, Trump is a 'secret Russian asset' (by standards of the slanderous Mitt video) full remarks here if you want to read garbage: http://www...emarks-president-trump-nation/ (the video also on his twitter feed... but that's not real...)
kargen Member	Thu Feb 06 18:51:36 So not policy and nothing to worry about. I don't agree with the language used (saw highlights or low lights depending on point of view on ABC) but I'm not going to dwell on it or lose any sleep.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 06 22:07:26 so him not falsely undermining faith in our institutions just for his personal glory is too much to expect? ...and you will have no problem when he begins his 'massive fraud voting' & 'rigged election' claims w/ no evidence how about on official phone calls w/ world leaders... is expecting him to prepare too much to ask? & accomplish things for the country's benefit rather than his own? (i'm sure this applies to his in-person meetings too, but we have 100% proof of his incompetence for the calls part) just say he's a shitty president & i'll stop criticizing your crazy stances... these are such SIMPLE expectations in a President
kargen Member	Thu Feb 06 23:27:32 "& accomplish things for the country's benefit rather than his own?" I see you still think the two are exclusive.
smart dude Member	Fri Feb 07 00:04:32 "I see you still think the two are exclusive." This comment basically sums up every trump-voting idiot. Full disclosure, I haven't voted since 2008 (I voted for McCain). But any defense of this orange buffoon is indefensible.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 07 00:22:00 so i guess the DOJ has opened up investigations into 2016 Ukrainian interference & Biden's request on prosecutor? now that stable genius Trump, all alone, discovered it was still in need of it and all R's agreed... do you think a single advisor said he should ask Ukraine about Crowdstrike or Biden? was that in the material prepared for him by serious mature people? (who completely wasted their time)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 07 00:45:38 ...and before you suggest he doesn't have to listen to advisors or experts, his bringing up of Crowdstrike on that call -proves- he can't be trusted to learn info on his own... (as if his always wrong info on every topic wasn't enough proof already)
patom Member	Fri Feb 07 04:47:42 smart dude, "Full disclosure, I haven't voted since 2008 (I voted for McCain)." If you don't vote then shut the fuck up. You obviously don't care and are willing to let others lead you and set the rules you live under.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Fri Feb 07 09:07:33 "You obviously don't care and are willing to let others lead you and set the rules you live under." sounds like something trump would say.
Rugian Member	Fri Feb 07 09:12:38 "You obviously don't care and are willing to let others lead you and set the rules you live under." You just perfectly described socialiam there.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 07 12:39:38 kargen: "I'm hoping nobody is taking serious the ripping up documents thing. " “Well, I thought it was a terrible thing when she ripped up the speech. First of all, it’s an official document. You’re not allowed. It illegal what she did. She broke the law." ~ T-rump
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 07 14:01:10 " A stage play chronicling the anti-Trump text messages between disgraced FBI agent Peter Strzok and former FBI lawyer Lisa Page will take the stage at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) on Feb. 27, Fox News has learned. The entire play, "FBI Lovebirds: UnderCovers," is derived, verbatim, from the text messages between Strzok and Page, as well as the pair’s answers to prolonged questioning in private congressional hearings. " http://www...s-1st-play-ever-performed-cpac Republicans continuing their voyage down the toilet
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 07 16:14:11 Lt Col. Vindman fired & escorted out of the White House... he testified under oath to what he witnessed... how awful any perjury alleged*? i know of none... on any witness except Sondland (before he fessed up)... (*by a credible person, ie. not the President of the United States) ------ "What normally happens when a public official retaliates against a witness who testified about the public official’s criminal conduct is that the public official goes to prison." ~ George Conway
Rugian Member	Fri Feb 07 16:53:13 Vindman was a partisan hack who tailored his testimony to put Trump's actions in the worst possible light. All because he was butthurt that the President of the United States felt he had more of a say in determining American foreign policy than a nobody lieutenant colonel and an army of faceless State Department mandarins. Oh no, Trump didn't stick to the script you put in front of his face? Guess what, that's his right to do so. He's the President. Good riddance. Hopefully he's the first of many heads to roll.* *Since TW is incapable of detecting subtleties in language, that last statement was metaphorical. I, Rugian, am not calling for the execution or death of any official in the executive branch, and I fervently take issue with anyone who asserts otherwise.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 07 17:49:16 you'll be happy to know Vindman's twin brother also tossed, and Sondland being recalled too a nice signal to anyone who does their legal duty to testify as to what they witnessed
TJ Member	Fri Feb 07 19:05:09 The indignant Vindman may have been Trumps savior, who knows? I can imagine what would've happened if he had waited longer and not skipped his COC running straight to his brother. Let that sink in for a short time. His self assigned importance in the chain has been rewarded on this day for him and his brother. Their ego's got them into trouble with the Teflon CIC. For such an intelligent man he played it stupidly. The left should blame him for the failure of nailing his prey. Narrative's are so cool.
jergul large member	Fri Feb 07 19:24:44 Because the Senate was going to convict trump if only the chain of command had been followed? Anyway, they nailed their prey. History does not shrug off impeachments.
Rugian Member	Fri Feb 07 19:27:25 "did not" FTFY
jergul large member	Fri Feb 07 19:28:41 Anyway, its not a human right to work in the white house. Closer to a human rights violation by many accounts. The brothers have been reassigned within the warm embrace of the DoD. I cannot find fault with their dismissal from white house service.
TJ Member	Fri Feb 07 19:59:13 He went around his COC, also thinking it was his job to set policy. Nothing to do with conviction. It didn't help him keep his position and Trump is still President. Like I said, he played it stupidly. Even a Norwegian knew Trump wouldn't be removed, hell everyone knew that from the beginning. Trump may also break another record. First President in his first term impeached and reelected for a second. That will raise the temperature. History doesn't shrug off acquittals either. Democrats impeach, Republicans acquit, what a surprise. Nor will it shrug off that he finished his term as President, which makes him President for life even if he doesn't win a second term.
TJ Member	Fri Feb 07 20:07:17 OH, one more thing, you do realize that the DOD is an executive branch department of the federal government, don't you?
jergul large member	Fri Feb 07 20:20:59 Or everything to do with conviction. Hard to know what goes inside the minds of others. History sort of does shrug off aquittals. He was always going to be president for life. Even Nixon was president for life.
TJ Member	Fri Feb 07 20:28:54 "History sort of does shrug off aquittals." It depends on who is who and what. Same with impeachments. :)
jergul large member	Fri Feb 07 20:30:06 TJ Yes, I did know that. Why? Are you expecting the flourish of a felt pen as it signs directives wanting courtmartials for treason and whatnot?
jergul large member	Fri Feb 07 20:32:37 I will give you that Trump's impeachment may be overshadowed by criminal convictions once his presidency ends. Somethings just have to wait until executive priviliges pass.
TJ Member	Fri Feb 07 20:38:04 hahaha, not hardly, it would have already been done. You seem to realize that Trump could have stripped his rank though if he had chosen that route. You think Vindman learned his lesson that he doesn't set foreign policy? I think so.
TJ Member	Fri Feb 07 20:44:38 So, you think while Trump has been in office he's broken criminal laws? We'll see in time. When he is gone the attacks will stop is my guess.
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