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Rugian
Member
Wed Feb 05 15:22:31
Trump is acquitted of abuse of power

It’s official: Trump has been acquitted on the first article of impeachment, abuse of power.

The final vote, as expected, was 52-48, with all Democrats and Mitt Romney supporting conviction.

Sam Adams
Member
Wed Feb 05 15:27:41
Lol i can see cuckhat crying from orbit.
kargen
Member
Wed Feb 05 15:32:58
Isn't saying and Mitt Romney kind of redundant?
Rugian
Member
Wed Feb 05 15:34:29
Kargen, yep.
Rugian
Member
Wed Feb 05 15:35:04
And boom, there it is:

Trump acquitted of obstruction of Congress
Trump has officially been acquitted of both articles of impeachment, abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.

The votes -- 52-48 and 53-47 -- fell well short of the two-thirds majority needed to remove the president from office.
patom
Member
Wed Feb 05 15:40:36
and there you have it. Trump and if we ever have another elected President have just been handed free license to hire foreign governments to help them defeat their political opponents. They are given free license to use US tax payer dollars in quid pro quo leverage to gain their help.

RIP US Constitution.
Rugian
Member
Wed Feb 05 15:40:56
Acquitted of all charges. NO COLLUSION, NO OBSTRUCTION, NO ABUSE OF POWER.

Democrats and the bureaucracy were insane to think this blatant coup attempt was ever going to work. Anyone with a brain could have seen how insane this was, and now POTUS is officially vindicated in everything he has done. WRECKED

now that the coup has been defeated, it's time the plotters suffered the consequences. The State Department should be completely gutted and the whistleblower must be outed, while Adam Schiff must be investigated for his role in the plot to overthrow a president of the United States.

House Democrats have proved themselves to be a danger to this country and should be completely sidestepped in conducting the business of government form this point forward.

Romney of course should be a dead man walking for the rest of his days.

The swamp has been defeated; now it's time for it to be drained. HARD
kargen
Member
Wed Feb 05 15:48:09
No Patom that would be a crime and punishable. President Trump didn't do that.
Habebe
Member
Wed Feb 05 15:51:05
The true Teflon Don.


Hahaha
Habebe
Member
Wed Feb 05 15:52:57
Trump's approval rating has risen because of higher ratings among both Republicans and independents. His 94% approval rating among Republicans is up six percentage points from early January and is three points higher than his previous best among his fellow partisans. The 42% approval rating among independents is up five points, and ties three other polls as his best among that group. Democratic approval is 7%, down slightly from 10%.
Rugian
Member
Wed Feb 05 16:10:40
THE MADMAN HIMSELF TWEETS:

http://mob...ump/status/1225174713992990721

100,000 YEARS OF TRUMP? SOUNDS GOOD TO ME!
McKobb
Member
Wed Feb 05 16:14:21
Fuck Trump!
Habebe
Member
Wed Feb 05 16:17:43
I almost think Pelosi secretly wants to elect Trump.

They are still trying to investigate this issue....epic fail.
patom
Member
Wed Feb 05 17:20:00
kargan, "No Patom that would be a crime and punishable. President Trump didn't do that."

He did just that. What the Senate just did was hand him free license to do it again. He could slap you upside the head and claim he thought it would be the best for the country. You won't be able to do anything about it.
Of course he wouldn't do that himself. He would hire someone to do it for him.
Paramount
Member
Wed Feb 05 17:20:13
”NO COLLUSION, NO OBSTRUCTION, NO ABUSE OF POWER”

It was. It’s just that the Republicans are okay it with since Trump represents the Republicans.
Paramount
Member
Wed Feb 05 17:21:11
* are okay with it
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Feb 05 17:26:32

"NO COLLUSION" - sorta... no illegal conspiracy established

"NO OBSTRUCTION" - no real basis for this claim on Mueller, & still disputed on Ukraine

"NO ABUSE" - Mitt said guilty, Lamar Alexander said it was proven but not impeachable, Susan Collins thinking Trump has learned his lesson, Rubio & Murkowski also wishy-washy (not looking up exact comments)... +other Rs have said it was wrong
(so over 50% saying it was wrong)

--------------

"
now that the coup has been defeated, it's time the plotters suffered the consequences. The State Department should be completely gutted and the whistleblower must be outed, while Adam Schiff must be investigated for his role in the plot to overthrow a president of the United States.
"

i'm sure Trump will echo this tyranny tomorrow... too bad there won't be a camera on Lamar, Rubio, Collins, Murkowski, and any others claiming Trump learned a lesson... then forcing them to comment
hood
Member
Wed Feb 05 18:52:23
"now that the coup has been defeated, it's time the plotters suffered the consequences. The State Department should be completely gutted and the whistleblower must be outed, while Adam Schiff must be investigated for his role in the plot to overthrow a president of the United States."

While we both know full well just how full of shit you are, it should still be pointed out that impeachment proceedings are the exact opposite of a coup. Impeachment is not overthrowing the president, it is not a coup. In fact, your slanderous incitement is closer to a coup than the impeachment proceedings and vote.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Feb 05 18:58:56
Why do Jews hate free speech?
kargen
Member
Wed Feb 05 21:16:44
No Patom you are wrong.

What foreign government did he hire? What were they paid and what was the job description?

How can you have quid pro quo when one party is unaware of the quid or the quo?

What foreign aid has ever been given to a country (besides maybe what President Obama gave Iran) without some form of attachment? Hell Democrats have been demanding for a decade or two some form of quid pro quo from Israel for funds they receive.

You are wrong. Completely wrong.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Feb 05 21:32:37
"unaware of the quid or the quo"

yeah, right...

and if it was a baseless hoax, why are Rs (& neutrals) agreeing it happened and was wrong
Dukhat
Member
Wed Feb 05 21:41:10
Politics is just a horse race or ball game to most cuckservatives. All about winning no matter the cost.
jergul
large member
Wed Feb 05 21:42:35
He is exactly as vindicated as Clinton and Jackson are.

But I am fine with you thinking that impeachment by the house of Representatives is no biggie.

Clinton - Vindicated! There was never a blow job in the oval office!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Feb 05 21:44:10
think of all the idiots who apologized for behavior and even resigned, just deny deny deny and you will keep getting forgiven anyway
(or at least this mysteriously works for Trump)
obaminated
Member
Wed Feb 05 21:48:39
free at last free at last lord almighty we are free at last!
obaminated
Member
Wed Feb 05 21:49:26
also trumps approval is at 49 percent, he is getting reelected.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Feb 05 22:06:33
sadly, it's possible...

"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."
obaminated
Member
Wed Feb 05 22:12:59
http://youtu.be/HcEc8zeNYxI
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Feb 06 00:16:13
"sadly, it's possible... "

Probable if that annoying socialist mooch bernie is chosen. That will drive a lot of adults and moderates to trump.
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 01:16:40
Trump's approval rating is 43.4.

Interesting that there is a 25% of no majority in the democrating primaries.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/
kargen
Member
Thu Feb 06 01:39:22
They say the phone call was handled poorly. That doesn't equate to he did something worthy of impeachment. And again they decided to impeach President Trump two years before what he was eventually impeached for actually happened.

"Clinton - Vindicated! There was never a blow job in the oval office!"

Funny you should bring this up. President Trump wasn't impeached because of a blow job. Getting a blow job in the oval office as it turns out wasn't an impeachable offense. They didn't even try to impeach him for the blow job. So yeah the phone call is a lot like that except the Democrats impeached President Trump anyway. Now please explain this to Tumbleweed. He is having a hard time understanding how something can be wrong but not impeachable.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 06 02:06:38
being wrong is quite relevant whether impeachable or not

multiple R's saying it was wrong... but doing NOTHING... forgiving him without any acknowledgement by him that he did something wrong, quite the opposite, him maintaining his actions were 'perfect'... (something mentally fit people don't say)

plus they are forgiving him for all the lies about it... which also will continue... it's nuts

what has he done to earn the forgiveness? for this or any other proven wrong thing he's done
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 02:09:11
Kargen
The house of representatives found that it was worthy of impeachment.

The Senate simply did not convict to remove.

It did not overturn the impeachment itself.

Did you have trouble seeing this with Clinton?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 06 02:21:16
also... the multiple R's saying it was wrong ***PROVES*** it was NOT a hoax, yet he will continue to claim so & call for nonsense revenge investigations into Schiff, Pelosi, whistleblower, etc...

& i'm sure i'll have plenty more to complain about when he gives his rant about it

all the people accepting his continuously totally fucked up behavior is just plain weird

you people have problems...
Cherub Cow
Member
Thu Feb 06 04:39:04
"Both Parties Acting Exactly How Everyone Expected Them To Restore Nation’s Faith In Political Process"
[Onion: News in Brief]
http://pol...ryone-expected-them-1841477562
"AKRON, OH—As President Donald Trump’s impeachment trial ended with an acquittal in the Senate, sources confirmed Friday that both parties acting exactly how everyone expected them to had restored the nation’s faith in its political process. “Watching the Democrats cower behind ineffectual high-minded rhetoric while the Republicans manipulated every procedure and spouted dangerous propaganda really affirmed my belief that today’s U.S. government is working exactly as intended,” said 43-year-old retail manager Aaron Bennett, echoing the sentiments of 325 million Americans who confirmed that although the impeachment trial had shaken their faith in their leaders, watching the Democrats belatedly pursue a narrow goal that resisted meaningfully challenging any structural issues, only to let themselves be easily obstructed by Republican leaders committed to holding power regardless of the consequences, offered sorely needed reassurance of the strength of the U.S. political system. “I was really worried impeachment indicated that the American way of life for the last several decades was at risk. I admit I even doubted whether our institutions could survive several Republicans deviating from their cynical embrace of an obvious criminal in order to further their callous agenda. The idea that Democrats were actually trying to pursue a moral objective instead of just using moral rhetoric as a smokescreen for accumulating influence really shook me. I’m just grateful that both parties were able to move past their differences and work together to uphold the American political system as we know it.” The relieved nation added that it would have been devastating if the Senate removed Trump, which would fly in the face of what the founding fathers wanted when they inscribed the principle of a few rich men shielding each other from accountability into the nation’s Constitution."
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 05:59:56
Joking aside, Pelosi tearing up the speech rekindled my faith in the US democratic process.

Its ultimately about giving the people what they want. If they want theater instead of dignitas, then ignoring that has a political cost.

I will quite enjoy seeing Democrats rattle Trump's cage. I am sure it will kindle voter enthusiasm in the US too.
TJ
Member
Thu Feb 06 09:54:32
They've been rattling the cage for 3 1/3 years and there is a good chance the Democratic Party will lose the 2020 election for that very reason. I can't imagine what they'll do if Trump wins in 2020.

The most valued winner for me in the process so far has been the U.S. Constitution. I'll say it again: The Democrats screwed the pooch. All joking aside.
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Feb 06 10:18:34
"plus they are forgiving him for all the lies about it... which also will continue... it's nuts"

Its the same thing dems did for clinton.
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 10:48:26
TJ
Perhaps nasty lying trumpet boy donny will win the electoral college again.

To speak like Trump does.

The Demoncrats should just look through his tweets to find adjectives to assign to him.

There are lots.

jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 10:49:41
TJ
Why are you so glad the constitution won? It won last time Clinton was completely vindicated too.
TJ
Member
Thu Feb 06 10:54:33
jergul:

It sure did. So now, I shouldn't be glad?
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 10:58:53
You should. Congress impeached as it has the authority to do and the Senate did not convict as it has the authority to do.

It usually plays out that way.
TJ
Member
Thu Feb 06 11:02:48
Duh! I suppose you can't figure out why it usually works out that way, eh?
Rugian
Member
Thu Feb 06 11:03:07
"Congress impeached as it has the authority to do and the Senate did not convict as it has the authority to do."

There you go again, conflating the House with the entire Congress.

It's okay. Nancy Pelosi routinely makes the same mistake.
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 11:05:17
Dishonest, corrupt Donald has a nice ring to it too.
TJ
Member
Thu Feb 06 11:07:22
Your cage is rattled. chuckle
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 11:08:01
Point is, this election cycle should be fun.

Shifting from Trump has done to characterizing Trump by what he has done will make for good tv.

Rapist Trump works too!
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 11:08:42
Not at all TJ. My faith in democracy has been rekindled.
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 11:11:04
I don't care who wins the election for as long as the candidates compete on a level playing field.

There are tons of things trump can be legitimately called.
Rugian
Member
Thu Feb 06 11:11:22
Jergul,

American media has had you beat on name calling the Donald by like three years.

This meltdown is amusing though. Declaring that Nancy Pelosi restored your faith in democracy because she put on an acting performance that Hayden Christensen would be embarrassed by suggests that a sound mind is not in play anymore.
TJ
Member
Thu Feb 06 11:12:57
I'm glad your faith in democracy has been rekindled. Why was it flickering in the first place?

I don't need a rekindling of this Republic.
Rugian
Member
Thu Feb 06 11:16:54
TJ,

Europeans dont think Republicans in general are qualified to hold high office. We saw a similar reaction when GWB was elected in 2000.

Their skewed Overton Window doesnt really allow for conservatives to be running America.
TJ
Member
Thu Feb 06 11:22:29
Rugian:

Thanks, but I think I've got a handle on the subject, especially the Overton Window of concreteness.
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 11:33:19
Ruggy
What acting? I am sure Pelosi showed her honest opinion of the speech.

I am generally also just encouraged by democrats being more forthright about what they think about trump.

If they think he is a rapist fraud, then they should say it.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 06 11:34:48
"Its the same thing dems did for clinton"

Clinton admitted it & apologized

(although i agree, people are too quick to forgive the 'sorry i got caught' apologies)


but w/ Trump, that's out the window, just immediately forgive him on anything even though he changes nothing, admits nothing, corrects nothing, keeps repeating same false things (as he's doing right now in his rant)
TJ
Member
Thu Feb 06 11:37:20
If they think...

I'm busting a gut.
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 11:55:54
I am encouraged that they will be more forthright and speak their minds.

Is that not one of the things you like about Trump? They way he speaks whatever is on his mind?

It seemed unfair that only he was doing that.
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 11:59:46
Donald Trump is a viscious, horrible person.

This is fun!
TJ
Member
Thu Feb 06 12:00:16
jergul:

I don't mind anyone speaking their mind. I do have reservations about how one speaks their mind though. You should know that about me after the many years I've posted in this niche.

Does that mean I should distance myself from Utopia?
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 12:09:12
TJ
Its ultimately up to the democratic candidate to find a way of beating Trump.

Mirroring his rhetoric seems a very good tactic. Saturating him with base characteristics seems to have potential.

He has a tendency to obsess when he feels someone has disrespected him.

Give him more opportunities to obsess would be a good plan.
TJ
Member
Thu Feb 06 12:20:17
Trump is perfectly comfortable in that space. It isn't a good approach for the Democrats. Never place yourself on an equal level of distaste publicly. It appears to be a loser for them. To think it is a recent change in the game is absurd.

They've been doing it since before he was elected.

We'll see according to the Overton Window with the up coming election.
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 13:05:42
TJ
I think that they have not. The key here is personal characterizations.

Trump abused his powers compared to abuser Trump.
Trump has wrongfully appropriated Congressional spending compared to Theiving Trump.

Stop saying Trump is doing bad things and start saying Trump is those bad things.

Trump in contempt of Congress? Nope. Contemptible Trump.
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 13:10:27
Theiving, contemptible Trump stole money from veterans and from our soldiers.

Nice!

jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 13:13:32
Also, the only "they" who matter are Trump and the Democratic candidate.
TJ
Member
Thu Feb 06 13:17:55
I'm perfectly comfortable with my position. The election will be the telltale.

Are you telling me to stop something? That is precious.
Rugian
Member
Thu Feb 06 13:19:47
Trying to beat Trump at his own game never works. Cruz tried it and failed spectacularly.

As for Pelosi, the only people who are impressed by her put-on performance are the "YAS QUEEN SLAY" types on Twitter. Congrats jergul, you're a gay millenial/suburban housewife.
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 13:28:48
TJ
Where do you figure I told you to stop something? You are your own person.

Ruggy
Surely you meant stealing, contemptible Trump?

What do you mean performance? Pelosi expressed her opinion of the speech. And contemptible donald whined and whined. He will probably whine some more tonight and tomorrow morning.

Contemptible whiners whine you see.

She did not make it a victory. He did.
TJ
Member
Thu Feb 06 13:40:15
Jergul:

"Stop saying Trump is doing bad things and start saying Trump is those bad things."

It warranted the question since the post was addressed to me.

You are correct, I am the ruler of my own mind just as you are the ruler of your mind and I'll express myself as I see fit.
Rugian
Member
Thu Feb 06 13:41:29
You thought that performance was genuine?

I guess there's a reason why so few Hollywood actors are Norwegian (The Thing reboot excepted).
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 06 14:23:15
"Out of 100 senators, zero believe you on the argument there is no quid pro quo," Cruz said he told the defense counsel. "Stop making it."

the evolution of R's defenses:
-> he didn't ask
-> no proof quid pro quo was his idea
-> ok, he did it

w/ no one caring he lied from the start, throughout the process, and continuing after (plus withheld -all- evidence, every single thing had to be battled, can't let the American people know anything if a lawyer can think of any argument not to)
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 06 15:15:48
helpful graphic on how pathetic your R senator is:
http://pbs...AI_xmz?format=jpg&name=900x900

that's minimally 17 people totally fine having no consequences for wrong behavior, requiring no indication of any lesson learned or intent to stop the behavior, and for continued lying about the behavior


'vindication' indeed...
kargen
Member
Thu Feb 06 15:39:50
"Kargen
The house of representatives found that it was worthy of impeachment."

Yeah, that was my point. It wasn't an impeachable offense just like the blow job wasn't but the Democrats did it anyway simply because they don't like President Trump. They were going to impeach him for something and started working to that end before the inauguration.
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 16:03:02
Ruggy
I think she followed her one of her inclinations. Are you disputing that she wanted to demonstrate that she thought the speech was garbage?

Trump is incidentally not genuine at all in front of camera. He can actually be rudamentally intelligent in conversation, or so the reports go.

I have heard that some people say Trump is a rapist. I dunno, perhaps he is a sexual predator, but I have heard rapist.

Great fun!
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 16:06:52
Kargen
It was 2 impeachable offenses. Trump was impeached on both of them. It is on his permanent record.

Nice to know Trump is literally contemptible, eh?

Contemptible Don!
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 06 16:08:52
I have heard Trump's father was a Nazi war-criminal. Might not all be correct, but people say he is the son of a viscious war criminal and that the family wealth is from stolen Gipsy gold.

Yay!
kargen
Member
Thu Feb 06 19:02:00
yeah I know he was impeached. I am saying he shouldn't have been. The Democrats were looking for a reason and not finding a good one ran with crap. The really bad part of all this is in the future we can expect any time the house is controlled by the opposing party they will impeach on a whim.
At least when President Clinton was impeached he actually broke a law. President Trump was impeached for winning an election.

And your trolling is getting sub par at best.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Feb 06 21:04:50
"The really bad part of all this is in the future we can expect any time the house is controlled by the opposing party they will impeach on a whim."

Second person I've seen make this claim now. I look forward to seeing the results.
kargen
Member
Thu Feb 06 21:16:02
I'm hoping we don't see it but Washington being Washington...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 06 21:49:03
"President Trump was impeached for winning an election. "

so that speech by Romney was total bullshit? he sold out his values to corruptly vote to impeach? Just a petty piece of trash (like Trump)? and only on one article for some reason

same for Amash... he obviously was not a Hillary fan... and he wasn't attacked by Trump (until standing on principle)
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 07 01:00:36
Kargen
Some democrats may have been looking for reasons, but not the democrats calling the shots. Impeachment is frought with risks. Bankruptcy Trump pushed the envelope too far with Ukraine, then compounded it by contempt of Congress far greater than any of his predecessors dared try. So he was impeached on two articles.

Just think of these "trolling" elements tweets where I am expressing opinions that only coincidentally mirror Coniving, corrupt Donald's tweets sharing his opinions. But subpar was harsh. How could you say that about some people say micro, mushroom penis Trump.

Some people say there are photographs and forsenic drawings. It would be so bad if those ever were released. I don't see how anyone with a deformed micro penis could ever survive that politically.

Nixon was called many things, but never deformed micro Dick.
Paramount
Member
Fri Feb 07 01:15:07
” At least when President Clinton was impeached he actually broke a law”

No he didn’t. Clinton did nothing wrong. He was doing everything perfect and he was aquitted. If he had broken a law he would have been found guilty. But he was aquitted because he didn’t do anything wrong.
kargen
Member
Fri Feb 07 01:22:59
"so that speech by Romney was total bullshit?"

It was Romney's opinion so take it how you will.

"If he had broken a law he would have been found guilty."

He perjured himself and was disbarred for doing so. The Senate decided perjury wasn't grounds for impeachment. Doesn't mean he didn't break the law. It just means they didn't think it was such an egregious crime that it required removal from office.
Habebe
Member
Fri Feb 07 02:41:51
Of course Jerguls obsessed with his dick.....
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 07 02:47:53
Habebe
Not my obsession. I was very clear that I have heard people talking about Donald's mushroom shaped micro penis and how that impacts on his chances of re-election.

I dunno know myself, but people are saying it.
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 07 02:50:44
I worry more about the impact of people talking about the war criminal father's concentration camp gold. They say he personally pulled gold teeth from his victim's mouths.

I dunno about all the details, but is sounds shocking what people say.
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 07 02:53:43
Are you comfortable voting for someone with a deformed micro penis habebe?

You might want to read up on how having a deformed micro penis damages people psycologically beyond repair.

Crushing. I cannot even imagine what it must be like to go through life with a deformity like that.
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 07 02:57:04
Kargen
Clinto was not disbarred. He was not even charged with a crime.
Habebe
Member
Fri Feb 07 03:58:38
Lol
TJ
Member
Fri Feb 07 10:03:07
News Flash:

Trump has huge balls!
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 07 10:21:51
Distended ballsacks are a common side-effect of age and obesity. At least we have a partial explanation for Whining Trump. He must sit on them regularly.
TJ
Member
Fri Feb 07 10:24:35
Exuberant contempt. lol
TJ
Member
Fri Feb 07 10:36:24
Trump currently has over double the approval rate than Congress.

77% of the Country are unhappy with Congress. Its approval rating hasn't been above 30% in over 10 years.

oops...
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Feb 07 10:36:34
"Clinto was not disbarred."


Lol wrong again jergul

http://www...r-the-monica-lewinsky-scandal/
TJ
Member
Fri Feb 07 10:43:46
Actually he wasn't disbarred. He agreed to a plea of a 5 year suspension. Hillary just got back her licence in March 2019 after a 17 year suspension.

http://ark...rkansas-law-license-reinstated
TJ
Member
Fri Feb 07 10:57:04
But...

I assure you that jergul is wrong about a number of things in this thread, but not that one.

He is a one man fake news media. Maybe he is working for Trump? lol

Such as contempt of Congress. The articles were abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. Those damn checks and balances.
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Feb 07 11:08:22
Pleading guilty is still guilty TJ
TJ
Member
Fri Feb 07 11:12:25
The context wasn't about guilt or innocence, but yes he was guilty.
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 07 11:24:39
"White House Weighs Ouster of Aide Who Testified Against Trump

By Jennifer Jacobs and Nick Wadhams
February 6, 2020, 10:13 PM EST
Updated on February 7, 2020, 11:49 AM EST

Army’s Vindman could be removed as part of a broader sweep"

http://new...wM?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

DEW IT
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 07 11:46:37
Sammy
He did not plead guilty, he negotiated a settlement.

TJ
Indeed. Mirroring Trump would soon lead one into the rabbithole of fake news generation.

Ruggy
Contemptible, viscious Trump. Of course he is doing that.
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