Utopia Talk / Politics / official BS by delusional fraud POTUS#26

tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 08 02:31:28 presumably Trump applies whatever this is himself (given the poor job): http://twi...use/status/1225909811851780096 probably because too embarrassed to let anyone see him given his obsession w/ appearances nice comparisons to the volleyball "Wilson" in comments
jergul large member	Sat Feb 08 02:45:45 In honour of a great woman: http://twi...us/1225967944905170946/photo/1
jergul large member	Sat Feb 08 03:47:38 Snope's confirms that is a great woman and not some blended photoshop monstrosity.
Rugian Member	Sat Feb 08 09:32:41 Donald Trump Jr. @DonaldJTrumpJr 14h Allow me a moment to thank—and this may be a bit of a surprise—Adam Schiff. Were it not for his crack investigation skills, @realDonaldTrump might have had a tougher time unearthing who all needed to be fired. Thanks, Adam! #FullOfSchiff ---- Life is quite good for patriotic Americans right now.
TJ Member	Sat Feb 08 11:16:43 A circle jerk twitter link, jergul. Seriously, Trump did Vindman a huge favor. How many of you even knew of his existence before his testimony? He is better off than he ever would have been remaining in his previous position. Everyone will play this out like never possible months ago. I'd label Vindman a whistle blower, after all, he was the source. Why wasn't he being protected under the statute? Things aren't adding up for me. Another thing: I'm skeptical about some of his achievements. Decorations for having been in another is only show dressing. Pentagon bureaucrats love a chance to pin something on their uniform that makes them look impressive. Vindman was in the Army because of his language skills, not to play infantry target. I've been trying to match up his resume achievements on a timescale with little success. Purple heart citation: http://www...man-kicked-out-by-trump-2020-2 Are there additional pages to that citation? I dunno. An Officer's blood drawn from a scratch earns a bandage and PH. Can you also imagine how many grunts have had their blood drawn by the enemy and never received a PH? I'd be one of them from a rocket in Nam. I'd bet he isn't wearing any metal around in his body as has been suggested. It is my understanding that he was at his desk shortly after the incident. I wish I could verify that as true. Bully for that if he was. Everything will dribble into the open in due time as Adam Schiff likes to repeat often, and then, my questions might get answers.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 08 12:02:33 "I've been trying to match up his resume achievements on a timescale with little success. " who's the psycho now... :p his 'crime' was expressing his concerns, & testifying when asked, let the man be do you approve of this disgusting CPAC Strzok/Page play? (2 people accused of no wrongdoing - beyond improper use of gov't phone - having their private texts shown to the world, now mocked in play form)
TJ Member	Sat Feb 08 12:09:41 Leave him be? What am I doing that is bothering or inhabiting him? I could give a crap about the play concerning Strzok and Page. For being an independent you sure pound the table with extraordinary vengeance. Why aren't you spending all that effort on your candidate of choice?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 08 12:24:47 maybe the DNC can do a dramatic reading of Stormy Daniels account of Trump's mushroom dick at the convention... would be more appropriate given they are public figures my candidate is whomever is on the final ballot with the highest polling numbers opposite the steaming sack of shit
TJ Member	Sat Feb 08 12:36:01 Yeah, that has been the left mantra for a very long time. "Anyone other than Trump" Personally I believe that attitude has been self defeating. I'm seen and been reading a considerable number of Democrats expressing that very concern. Everything that can be said or tried against Trump seems to have already been said or done. Good luck independent voter.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 08 12:46:13 i agree the mentally-ill obvious unfit fraud is a tough nut to crack... i would've thought Trump confirming he was a traitor to the country would've been enough for people... but it was barely a blip he definitely has a bizarre grip on a large portion of fools but him being a mentally-ill obvious unfit fraud explains why so many mentally-sound people are "anyone other than Trump"
Rugian Member	Sat Feb 08 12:49:04 tumbleweed the wanderer Sat Feb 08 12:24:47 "maybe the DNC can do a dramatic reading of Stormy Daniels account of Trump's mushroom dick at the convention... would be more appropriate given they are public figures" A senior FBI counterintelligence official who led the investigation of Hillary Clinton's email use and the investigation of Russian interference in US elections AND who served as a member of the Mueller special counsel investigation, who ended up losing his job after it was revealed that he was seeking abuse his position in order to "stop" Trump from becoming president, isn't considered a public figure? What the fuck?! I know I ask this a lot, but how were you ever a Ron Paul fan? Being highly opposed of unaccountable law enforcement agencies was, like, a huge tenet of Paulism.
TJ Member	Sat Feb 08 12:53:06 "he definitely has a bizarre grip on a large portion of fools" Who has a grip on the remainder of the large portion of fools? Your description, not mine. OH wait, that remains to be seen, no one knows who that is yet.
TJ Member	Sat Feb 08 13:08:54 TW: Are you aware that on average 40% of eligible voters don't vote in every election? Comparing to other eligible voters: 30% give or take for either left or right totaling in the proximity of 60% together. Midterms have a lower average. Who are the fools now?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 08 16:02:37 "[Strzok] was seeking abuse his position in order to "stop" Trump" you went from inaccurate to just false... no proof of that claim whatsoever, requires the made-up assumptions of what the 'insurance policy' text referred to (which it clearly did not refer to) no corrupt actions found in any report, plus i feel more bad for Page as she's even more innocent (not sure even any false allegations made against her) & she's already noted how upsetting Trump's cont'd unwarranted beneath-the-(once)-dignity-of-office harassment has been... what has she done to deserve this? privately disliked candidate Trump? (like so many others on both sides of aisle) a disgusting play to make fun of their private lover texts is... well, disgusting... (and stupid) =========== @ TJ, not sure what you're getting at... i'm not saying Trump fools are the only fools, just that non-fools hate Trump... (due to him being an insanely obvious unfit fraud)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 08 16:16:04 how about this... can we agree a good president would be a uniter & not a divider? (i don't care what your opinion of Obama or others is) so even if you don't care Trump lies constantly on issues both big & small, completely makes things up regularly, speaks & behaves like a child, is petty & vindictive, doesn't learn any facts or details about any issues, & trusts dictators more than our own people, can we at least agree he's not a good president from the stand point of not being a uniter?
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 08 16:42:55 "how about this... can we agree a good president would be a uniter & not a divider?" You want GWB?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 08 17:27:31 i would take anyone else... but i mean an actual uniter not merely claiming to be one i believe Klobuchar or Buttigieg could do so for example, hard to see either behaving remotely like Trump Trump actively seeks dividing (as well as heaps of other problems that i hid in my last post)
TJ Member	Sat Feb 08 17:40:27 Tw: It is my opinion, that if opposition to Trump voters want to increase turnout, in a reasonably effective way civility should be maintained. Valuable time is being wasted not encouraging the 40% who stay at home in general elections and less time bashing the opponent. The bases appear to be obviously unchangeable at this point. Take some blame for the division and change direction. You aren't innocent by any stretch of the imagination for the divisiveness in today's political arena. It may be fun, but nonproductive as far as I can tell.
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 08 18:52:54 Tj, I agree, I think that's a big plus for Bernie. Theyre not going to beat Trump at being non pc/ in your face so offer something different. That said I dont know how they could neat him on The economy that's where he seems to habe won over independents and even some dems which when you consider our current division any is an accomplishment.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 08 18:56:21 i'm not expecting my efforts here to be productive... or anyone's efforts here i'm sure i could be doing something more useful but i'm a pretty lazy person as to blanketly insulting Trump voters, i agree it should be avoided by those trying to inspire voters or sway opinion, but this audience isn't very large... also it's hard not to sometimes as it's SO OBVIOUS how much of a lying unfit disgusting fraud he is
Rugian Member	Sat Feb 08 19:03:06 "you went from inaccurate to just false..." How was I at all inaccurate in anything I said up until that point? I was reciting rote facts for fuck's sake. By all means, tell me what in this looked "inaccurate" to you: "A senior FBI counterintelligence official who led the investigation of Hillary Clinton's email use and the investigation of Russian interference in US elections AND who served as a member of the Mueller special counsel investigation, who ended up losing his job" As for his comments, this is exactly what he said. Tell me if you think this is at all acceptable coming from a man as senior as he is in the national security apparatus: 'Page: "[Trump's] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!", Strzok: "No. No he won't. We'll stop it."' As for "corrupt actions," how about the entire plot to manufacture a narrative that Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the election? That kinda seems like a big one to me. Finally on Page, "involuntary public figure" status is a thing. It happens to people all the time, even when they don't want it to. Sucks for her.
Rugian Member	Sat Feb 08 19:08:28 And lol at finding a "uniter" for president. First of all, none exist, and none have existed outside of wartime (GWB between 9/12/2001 and mid-2002 is the only *possible* example in my lifetime). Secondly, you act like it's up to a president to determine his public image. In reality, a lot of that is out of his hands, as hyper-partisan media play a huge role in shaping the public's perception of POTUS. No matter what, one side of the media or the other is going to treat the president as the spawn of Satan for the entirety of his administration. If your criteria for "uniter" is an Obama-like person who can peel off 5%-10% of the conservative leaning vote while simultaneously dismissing the other 90%-95% as backwards redneck scum who cling to their guns and religion, perhaps you might understand why the 90%-95% are sticking so closely to Trump.
Rugian Member	Sat Feb 08 19:21:49 Here's a list of executive actions that "uniter" candidate Klobuchar is proposing to make in her first 100 days in office. http://med...ys-first-100-days-b7adf9f91262 And here's the gay guy's website: https://peteforamerica.com/ Feel free to point out anything on either list that would make your average conservative go "yeah, I'd be fine with her as president." It's a massive laundry list of typical leftwing proposals and unrestrained spending, with a few bones thrown to the Midwest in order to get voters there on board. Sure, they're "unifiers..." in the same sense that Republican characters in Aaron Sorkin productions are "centrists."
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 08 20:24:23 The problem with attacking Trump supporters is its just more ammo for him. http://www...ted-and-illiterate%3f_amp=true
jergul large member	Sat Feb 08 21:41:07 You three arguing that the democratic candidate should be civil when Trump definitely is not going to take that route strongly suggests the democratic candidate should not do that. Call Trump what you think he is would be my best advice. Civility can wait until the GOP fields a civil presidential candidate. Bloomberg is the candidate doing this most clearly.
jergul large member	Sat Feb 08 21:46:19 "Uniter" is ultimately grounded in the Constitution. It specifies a geographical spread between the president and the VP. Running mates tend to balance out to appeal to a broader base. The concept revolves more around the choice of running mate, than it does the actual candidate.
TJ Member	Sat Feb 08 22:25:35 jergul: Speaking for myself: Unsolicited advice is not arguing. I'm find with someone deciding for themselves, you included.
jergul large member	Sat Feb 08 22:41:02 Supporting unsolicited advice with arguments is however arguing for it. Democrats should be civil (advice) Because they will get more votes (argument supporting the advice)
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 08 22:44:53 Jergul, Perhaps they would do better, im not a political strategist by trade. But what candidate can bear him at his own game?
TJ Member	Sat Feb 08 22:45:29 Not really, because I provided conclusion of my opinion. If I cared to persuade I would continue. But..., as you wish.
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 08 22:45:42 Beat*
jergul large member	Sun Feb 09 00:07:38 TJ Yes, really. Check your dictionary for the meanings of "argument" if this remains unclear.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 09 02:24:15 @Rugian 'leading' the Russia investigation sounded inaccurate but i guess it's listed so i retract... although it's not the important part, implying he did something corrupt is the important part "No. No he won't. We'll stop it" what did he do to stop Trump from being elected? (correct answer is -nothing-, the investigation didn't impact election at all as was completely hidden & no they weren't spying on the campaign, nor feeding info to Hillary or whatever nonsense you may have heard) The comment would be the same as anyone assuring a worried person that thinking people would stop it. "how about the entire plot to manufacture a narrative that Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the election?" where did he do that?... where did anyone in the FBI do that? "Sucks for her" yeah it can happen, doesn't mean you have to make a mocking play about it at a major political conference... tasteless & disgusting is my argument... anyone disagree? ================== by uniter, i mean willing to work w/ other side on some issues... rather than call them evil scum for example... & to not openly inspire hatred... 'being civil' sounds good
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 09 02:26:37 a disgusting rant by 'Judge' Jeanine Pirro (video at link, i didn't watch all, i doubt it improves, a couple minutes is enough to disgust a normal-thinking person...) http://www...-for-his-vote-to-remove-trump/ how dare Romney vote to impeach? fuck her, fuck Fox News, fuck Trump
TJ Member	Sun Feb 09 10:58:31 Jergul: Can you argue with success? I made a single post on the subject of civility. My opinion had a conclusion with agreement. TW-->i agree it should be avoided by those trying to inspire voters or sway opinion, but this audience isn't very large... You apply the word loosely and why I said as you wish. Tell me if you consider every single statement agreed upon as argument? You are wanting to argue.
jergul large member	Sun Feb 09 11:20:44 I will get you the dictionary definition then: a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory. "there is a strong argument for submitting a formal appeal". Your idea: Democrats should be civil Your argument (condensed): It will get them more votes.
TJ Member	Sun Feb 09 11:34:08 You stop short. I don't need a dictionary as much as you believe I do. There was no strong argument let alone any appeal. There was no need. Like I said you are applying the word loosely.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 09 11:55:38 just in case Rugian is going to cite the FISA issues (which was only about Carter Page...) ...or for anyone else believes this FBI hoax/coup theory the team-Trump/(Fox News) premise is there was no reason to open the investigation, all a hoax to go after Trump, so supposedly this is what the FBI did: 1) decided to remove Trump via a Russia collusion investigation, even though nothing suggesting it occurred (via premise) 2) corruptly obtain a surveillance warrant on a total nobody in campaign w/ no expectation of it yielding anything (via premise) 3) ??? 4) Trump is removed from office for collusion ** fill in step 3)... and what went wrong (even if they had framed Page [which they didn't] it's still hardly a good plan to remove Trump) ==================== -or- maybe reality is there were suspicious contacts, the FBI investigated 4 people w/ suspicious contacts, as is their job & that was it...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 09 12:17:00 some things on Trump's twitter... -a video of a heckler calling Nadler a loser during an interview (posted twice) -Mitt Romney 'exposed' as having an adviser from his 2012 campaign being on board of Burisma... thus -that- is why he voted guilty... (i didn't confirm if story even true as so meaningless) -calls for investigations into who started the Ukraine 'hoax' (of course) -more Pelosi ripping nonsense and he retweeted this... "Standing ovation for Trump as he’s introduced at the National Prayer Breakfast. Even Nancy Pelosi stands and applauds. Trump uses the platform to renew his complaints about impeachment. Calls Dems involved corrupt and Republicans courageous." yeah, appropriate use of a Prayer Breakfast... he also attacked Romney & Pelosi over religion then... ------------ can anyone cite any other world leader's twitter out there that is so pathetic & embarrassing?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 09 16:37:00 " FBI Director Christopher Wray just admitted that the FISA Warrants and Survailence of my campaign were illegal. So was the Fake Dossier. THEREFORE, THE WHOLE SCAM INVESTIGATION, THE MUELLER REPORT AND EVERYTHING ELSE FOR THREE YEARS, WAS A FIXED HOAX. WHO PAYS THE PRICE? ....This is the biggest political crime in American History, by far. SIMPLY PUT, THE PARTY IN POWER ILLEGALLY SPIED ON MY CAMPAIGN, BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER THE ELECTION, IN ORDER TO CHANGE OR NULLIFY THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION. IT CONTINUED ON WITH THE IMPEACHMENT HOAX. Terrible! " ~ guess who i searched a little, appears to refer to FISA judge finding 2 of the 4 FISA warrant extensions (-on CARTER PAGE-) invalid... then insanely unfit Trump runs w/ tidbit into above absurdity Carter Page was not a linchpin of anything, this establishes no hoax, not the biggest crime in history... he man is fucking crazy... how can anyone see this person as having sound judgment?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 09 16:40:12 *probably was '*the* man...'... i dunno, i edited something there :p
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Feb 10 01:33:22 confidence in Putin graph: http://pbs...AAm_Po?format=png&name=900x900 in case anyone forgot, Trump (to the confusion of all) was pro-Russia/Putin all campaign long in 2015 (right when that graph changes)... then ran a ~2-year campaign defending Russia against claims by our evil scum intel agencies... Trump's words which have no effect seem to have had effect
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 11 10:30:08 "Elizabeth Warren told us she walked 2.2 miles today and got breakfast at McDonald’s." ~ a reporter "An obvious lie, considering the McDonald’s is right up the street. But what kind of person lies about something like this?" ~ Dinesh D'Souza (shitbag on the right) "She didn't walk 2.2 miles TO breakfast at McDonald's; she walked 2.2 miles AND got breakfast at McDonald's. Like you didn't commit a felony TO spend 8 months in a halfway house; you committed a felony AND got 8 months detention." ~ some guy zing! (of course most of the idiots who follow the shitbag just believing what the shitbag says, as usual)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 11 17:00:15 so, remember when Trump told Comey to ease off Flynn, complained about Manafort being treated unfairly throughout trial, called people rats who cooperated w/ federal prosecutors & cheered those who didn't, & interfered in the Navy SEAL trial repeatedly... & now he publicly criticized Stone's sentencing (& prosecution) & his corrupt Barr DOJ has altered recommendations leading to the 3 prosecutors quitting the case when asked if he spoke to the DOJ, his response: "I stay out of things to a degree that people wouldn't believe." first off, that's just a retarded thing to say on its face... just like his 'perfect' call but obviously, no he -doesn't-, it's a absurd lie... see my examples above (done from memory, i'm sure i missed others) one of his tweets on Stone: "This is a horrible and very unfair situation. The real crimes were on the other side, as nothing happens to them. Cannot allow this miscarriage of justice!" i say again... it is FUCKING INSANE that this person is allowed to head the Executive Branch of the USA... & that R's accept it... how long til his corrupt DOJ just charges people 'on the other side' just from Trump & Fox News repeating made-up allegations enough times
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 11 17:41:53 if anyone is going to defend Trump, please also include defense of his totally insane totally unfit tweets comments above in (Sun Feb 09 16:37:00) post also try to remember the executive branch is in charge of enforcing the law... a lawless corrupt ignorant fraud probably shouldn't be heading it
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 12 12:18:57 " Who are the four prosecutors (Mueller people?) who cut and ran after being exposed for recommending a ridiculous 9 year prison sentence to a man that got caught up in an investigation that was illegal, the Mueller Scam, and shouldn’t ever even have started? 13 Angry Democrats? " ~ Unfit prez " Evidence now clearly shows that the Mueller Scam was improperly brought & tainted. Even Bob Mueller lied to Congress! " ~ insanely UNFIT prez
kargen Member	Wed Feb 12 15:46:00 "when asked if he spoke to the DOJ, his response: "I stay out of things to a degree that people wouldn't believe."" "one of his tweets" See even he realizes his tweets are all but meaningless. You would be much happier if you wouldn't take his tweets as gospil.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 12 20:06:17 sadly I don't have your level of extreme craziness
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 12 20:12:37 does anyone share kargen's batshit crazy notion that it's fine for the President to tweet out any total bullshit lies he wants?(including criminal accusations)... and certainly NOT just well-reasoned personal opinions (not ever, for that matter)
kargen Member	Thu Feb 13 00:57:50 why should his tweet matter more than yours? It shouldn't and it wouldn't if the press and people such as yourself would quit assigning significance to them. You do know President Trump pumps out those tweets just to keep the press talking about him?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 13 02:04:52 If Obama had said "Zimmerman murdered that kid" instead of "If I had a son..." would that have been ok? people were upset at just the 'if i had a son'... ------- "Trump pumps out those tweets just to keep the press talking about him" and to express his actual idiotic childish views & spread lies about any & everyone to make himself look better to his cultists (which works on them)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 13 02:10:49 also he says the exact same shit at rallies, where -obviously- his audience is the cultists and even if you do think he's some psycho who just is trolling the media every time he speaks/tweets rather than wanting to inform the public that -still- makes him a fucked-up unfit prez just in a different manner you should probably seek help, you have some bizarrely illogical & nutty views
Habebe Member	Thu Feb 13 02:48:45 Bill Maher makes a point when he says Trumps way of speaking/ tweeting has become normalized. He is given way more leeway in that particular regard because he doesnt speak like a politician, he speaks more like an staten island bookie. But that's a big reason why he was elected.
kargen Member	Thu Feb 13 02:53:19 "If Obama had said "Zimmerman murdered that kid" instead of "If I had a son..." would that have been ok?" You already know my answer. In what situation and in what context is your hypothetical taking place? "also he says the exact same shit at rallies, where -obviously- his audience is the cultists" and the press. They are going to basically fund his campaign for him again. he doesn't have to take out ads. The press just throws coverage his way for free. I like how after me telling you for at least two years that you should seek professional help for your mental condition you try and turn it around on me. Of course you would think me crazy. That is the only way you can continue to feed your delusions.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 13 11:29:46 "has become normalized" agreed, the idiots on his Fox News propaganda team have adopted his use of childish nicknames & don't even seem to notice their loss of dignity... plus just defend & rationalize whatever bullshit he makes up rather than noting it's ridiculous absurdly unfit behavior (like kargen is doing right now...) kargen believes every weird unfit Trump says (which is basically everything he says) is just to rile up the press... & that that would be fine normal behavior i guess that allows him to dismiss every unfit thing, but it is totally insane @kargen, i assure you his fans believe the investigations were illegal hoax/coups by corrupt evil scum, even though no investigation remotely suggests that (nor anything that Wray has said) (...& just one example of his constant misinformation) what about his obvious lie of i meant 'wouldn't' not 'would' when he was being a traitor? was that to rile up the press? (it pacified Fox News) what about his ~2 year campaign prior of being that traitor? was that to rile up the press? when he doesn't read any preparation material & wings all his calls, is that to rile up the press? you are the crazy one
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 13 11:38:33 " When I terminated John Kelly, which I couldn’t do fast enough, he knew full well that he was way over his head. Being Chief of Staff just wasn’t for him. He came in with a bang, went out with a whimper, but like so many X’s, he misses the action & just can’t keep his mouth shut,. ...which he actually has a military and legal obligation to do. His incredible wife, Karen, who I have a lot of respect for, once pulled me aside & said strongly that “John respects you greatly. When we are no longer here, he will only speak well of you.” Wrong! " ~ unfit dictator note the threat of legal action if he doesn't "keep his mouth shut" (+ playing on his sense of military duty) Trump sure hires a lot of unfit people... has to smear so many who leave
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 13 11:47:05 some info on what Kelly said to enrage the unfit idiot petty child: http://www...-north-korea-and-trump/606496/ defended Vindman, said Trump's Ukraine scheme wrong, attacked Putin, criticized Trump's NK 'policy', disagreed that the media is the "enemy of the people", disagreed on some of Trump's immigration/wall positions, disagreed on Trump intervening in SEAL case all rational positions to non-crazy people
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 13 11:52:55 " Mini Mike is a 5’4” mass of dead energy who does not want to be on the debate stage with these professional politicians. No boxes please. He hates Crazy Bernie and will, with enough money, possibly stop him. Bernie’s people will go nuts! " ~ mentally-ill child Mike is 5'8"... does any source say he's 5'4"? i doubt it... plus Trump continuing to stoke Bernie supporter anger stoking division and anger is -all- this shitbag does (but oh right, it's only for the media... the people who actually believe what he says are being foolish idiots according to kargen... so, i guess we agree on that)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 13 12:04:17 "Was just told by one of my contacts that the actual reason why Hope Hicks is being brought back to the WH is due to Trump’s declining mental state." ~ Andrew C Laufer, Esq (some guy i never heard of) yet seems plausible... Trump does seem to be getting worse + sees enemies* everywhere so needs a pacifier *enemies being anyone acknowledging the unfit idiot child's behavior... i'm sure all the R senators saying what he did was wrong shook him even tho they didn't do shit about it
kargen Member	Thu Feb 13 13:19:46 "kargen believes every weird unfit Trump says (which is basically everything he says) is just to rile up the press... & that that would be fine normal behavior" You know that isn't true. Now you are just using hyperbole much like President Trump does to make a point or get a reaction. In this case you did it to get a reaction and it worked. Just like when President Trump tweets to get a reaction it almost always works. Basically by using his same tactics you have proven my point. You know how President Trump is getting free rent inside most members of the press's heads? Same thing is happening here. I've pointed out reality to you a few times and now you can't help but try and drag me into almost every conversation you have. I've taken up residence in your head.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 13 14:49:26 "You know that isn't true" how do i know this isn't true? you give him a pass on all tweets (& seemingly spoken comments, as he speaks the same shit out loud), you indicated you only care about what papers he put's his giant marker signature onto ------------- "Just like when President Trump tweets to get a reaction it almost always works." HE'S NOT DOING THAT (or at least it's extremely rare)... unless you mean the reaction he seeks is people believing his lies & delusions... the tweets i put here are serious efforts on his part to manipulate his cultists, & get Fox News to help him do so
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 13 15:22:05 your latest claim of tweets being meaningless was in regards to him attacking prosecutors/judge over Stone... calling the whole Russia investigation illegal, many good people had lives ruined, all the crimes were on 'the other side', yadda yadda do you think that message is not sinking in to people? that's all just to troll media? he will absolutely note that shit again when he actually pardons Stone (which he definitely will do)... plus he will continue to repeat it frequently as he has been doing continuously already... and idiots are believing it all, even though none of it established by anything
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 13 15:41:00 Barr gives mild criticism of Trump's tweeting & other statements about DOJ people & cases http://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1228063236010004482 better than nothing
Habebe Member	Thu Feb 13 16:00:52 Iirc he actually said most not all crimes were on the other side
jergul large member	Thu Feb 13 16:35:25 Habebe You should follow Trump's tweets systematically for a week. See if that helps your perspective somewhat.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 13 17:01:49 on Mueller: ========== "ALL THE CRIMES ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE" ~Trump, May 6, 2019 "There was no crime, except on the other side (incredibly not covered in the Report)" ~Trump, May 5, 2019 "the bad actions were done by the “other” side? The greatest con-job in the history of American Politics!" ~Trump, May 1, 2019 "No Obstruction, No Collusion, only treasonous crimes committed by the other side, and led by the Democrats. Sad!" ~Trump, Sep 13, 2019 "So ridiculous to even be talking about this subject when all of the crimes were committed by the other side." ~Trump, Jun 16, 2019 "So many lives have been ruined over nothing - McCarthyism at its WORST! Yet Mueller & his gang of Dems refuse to look at the real crimes on the other side - Media is even worse!" ~Trump, Aug 19, 2018 <plus many many more similar...> on Ukraine: =========== "“There is no evidence of a crime.” Robert Charles, Fmr Asst Secy of State. The crimes were committed by the other side!" ~Trump, Jan 23, 2020 "There is no case, except against the other side!" ~Trump, Nov 7, 2019 "This is a horrible and very unfair situation. The real crimes were on the other side, as nothing happens to them. Cannot allow this miscarriage of justice!" ~Trump, Feb 11, 2020 "There were no High Crimes and Misdemeanors, except for those committed by the other side!" ~Trump, May 24, 2019 =============== as for "most not all", i saw no tweets w/ that... i searched "other side" (exact phrase) Trump's allies are trying to convince him if Stone not pardoned it gives credibility to the Russia investigation so expect pardon very soon... (even though the investigation was completely legitimate as determined by -every- investigation) as for treasonous high crimes by 'the other side'... none established... (no crimes by any of the people Trump has accused established, w/ probably almost none even being looked at as completely baseless... which is CRAZY to be occurring)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 13 17:08:39 re Barr's mild rebuke: "The President wasn't bothered by the comments at all and he has the right, just like any American citizen, to publicly offer his opinions. President Trump uses social media very effectively to fight for the American people against injustices in our country, including the fake news. The president has full faith and confidence in Attorney General Barr to do his job and uphold the law." ~ current piece of shit press secretary missing is "the public should ignore all his tweets as he's just trolling the media as he's a completely insane child"
jergul large member	Thu Feb 13 17:11:36 TW You know that is a red flag. Trump will contradict his press secretary as soon as he sees something on Fox news tomorrow morning.
kargen Member	Thu Feb 13 17:12:05 "how do i know this isn't true?" Because you have read what I post. Show me one post where I say I believe what President Trump is tweeting. You can't. I say his tweets do not matter. "the tweets i put here are serious efforts on his part to manipulate his cultists, & get Fox News to help him do so" Mind reading again I see. You don't know his motive. We do know the press jumps on damn near every tweet he puts out and the president does take advantage of that to control the narrative. For better or worse he likes fighting the press and his favorite weapon is his tweets.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 13 17:52:19 "Show me one post where I say I believe what President Trump is tweeting" you misread my comment, i said you said his tweets are just to rile up press, as you continue to say "Mind reading again I see. You don't know his motive. " ...sigh... use a few brain cells please if he's NOT trying to get his followers to beleive his made-up total bullshit he's doing a really bad job... (also what a weird ass theory to even consider) ==================== Katie Porter (good congresswoman) noting how RNC is sending out "2020 Congressional District Census" questionnaires... i got one of those here in Pennsylvania & found it suspicious myself http://twitter.com/RepKatiePorter/status/1228042427514204160 totally idiotic & indefensible to be putting "Census" in the title of these RNC surveys
kargen Member	Thu Feb 13 21:06:36 "you misread my comment, i said you said his tweets are just to rile up press, as you continue to say" yep I did. Seems I am guilty of the same thing you and President Trump are doing. I said just to rile up the press. I should have said mostly to rile up the press. Point still stands his tweets mean nothing and should be taken no more serious than any other persons tweets. I'm betting most people that voted for President Trump and are going to vote for him again don't pay attention to his tweets. I would bet a significant sum of money if the press didn't mention them most supporters wouldn't even know about a good number of the tweets. And just a guess on my part but I think bots and people that oppose President Trump are a significant amount of his followers.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 13 21:43:41 "Point still stands his tweets mean nothing and should be taken no more serious than any other persons tweets." this remains a crazy position, we will never agree on it
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 13 22:11:06 apply your 'logic' to this tweet (there was a worse one but couldn't recall it well enough to find it): " I got NATO countries to pay 530 Billion Dollars a year more, and the U.S. less, and came home to a Fake News Media that mocked me. Didn’t think that was possible! " - the figure is wrong - it hasn't happened - him deserving the credit is wrong (the figure citing wrongly comes from a 10-year deal struck in 2014 - that's under Obama, w/ a prediction of what will be occurring by 2024) is he trolling the media? NO, he is LYING to make himself look good to anyone gullible to believe it, as he does continuously (no mind reading required) (and i'm using 'lying' loosely here as i'm sure the ignorant moron has no idea what the truth is)
kargen Member	Thu Feb 13 23:02:44 I went and looked at that tweet. It confirms what I suspected. There were tons more negative reactions than positive. President Trump's supporters are not for the most part following him on twitter. The responding articles I saw listed same or next day show me the press jumped all over it as quick as they could. He is playing the media most of the time.
smart dude Member	Fri Feb 14 00:31:58 "Trump supporters are too stupid to use social media to follow their own hero." -Kargen Sounds about right.
Habebe Member	Fri Feb 14 02:47:57 I stand corrected. I suppose I did not remember correctly...if anyone knows Trumps statements on these boards its tw.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 14 12:10:48 "There were tons more negative reactions than positive" thus he's doing a great job at presidenting... is it so hard to imagine (& expect) a mature intelligent adult who just tweets out factual info? & at least tries to be as accurate as possible (rather than the -complete- opposite, ZERO effort to learn any factual info & deliberately inaccurate just to make himself look good, plus baseless accusations & childish smears against perceived enemies) he still has no understanding of NATO funding... the simple concept of countries spending a specific % of their GDP on their own military... no one owes the US, no one ever delinquent... how does this fit your rile the media narrative? appear incompetent & stupid to the entire world to get media coverage? also your weird-ass theory (which still makes him unfit for office) doesn't hold up for rallies, obviously the attendees are his fans, he's obviously intending for them to listen and absorb his total nonsense (-and they do-), even if media is present
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 14 12:30:09 O’Reilly to Trump (pre-impeachment): You didn’t direct Rudy to go to Ukraine on your behalf? Trump: “No, I didn’t direct him.” --- Geraldo to Trump (yesterday): Are you sorry you sent Rudy to Ukraine? Trump: “No, not at all.” ...and went on to defend using Rudy it's so cute how he always lies to the public... but i'm sure he just expected O'Reilly listeners to all be lefties & media who deserve to be misled, which is fine & normal for a president or something?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 14 13:05:29 McCabe cleared in his 'lack of candor'(lying) case, no charges as won't be noted by team Trump, it was about something negative to Hillary, -NOT- Trump i imagine Hillary won't be tweeting deep state conspiracies or other nonsense... i bet Trump will...
kargen Member	Fri Feb 14 14:36:36 "thus he's doing a great job at presidenting..." I was thinking more along the lines people that suffer the same derangement syndrome that afflicts you line up just waiting to pounce on each and every tweet no matter the content. I see his rallies as a circus and he is the ringmaster doing what he can to keep the audience entertained. Make of that what you will. Nobody is going to his rallies to learn about his policies. Not much different than any other candidates rallies he is just better at it. The reason any candidate holds a rally is to boost enthusiasm for the candidates campaign.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 14 15:30:07 you seem to completely ignore the CONSTANT LIES & MISINFORMATION that he is DELIBERATELY putting into the public sphere (NOT opinions, and NOT just for the 'left'... as if that would be fit behavior in any case) the reason all of his fans are not following him on twitter is because he his fans include a lot of old people/farmers/bikers/miners types... probably not the best twitter-user demographics... not because he has sent them a secret message that his tweets are nonsense just to mess w/ the libs you're fine w/ him being a lying fraud buffoon on twitter and at rallies, and an unprepared idiot when talking w/ other leaders, where exactly do you demand he be fit for office? just that he can occasionally read a speech off a teleprompter & sign bills Mitch allows through? is that all the requirements you have?
kargen Member	Fri Feb 14 15:36:57 "you seem to completely ignore the CONSTANT LIES & MISINFORMATION that he is DELIBERATELY putting into the public sphere (NOT opinions, and NOT just for the 'left'... as if that would be fit behavior in any case)" yeah, that has been my point this entire time. We all should ignore anything he says in his tweets. If we do not ignore them we should at the very most take them as entertainment. Don't put any importance to them and you will be much happier. I'm fine with letting him tweet whatever the hell he wants. I also know how rallies work and if you think any candidate isn't up there spinning anything and everything to garner enthusiasm you are the epitome of naive.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 14 15:49:05 "We all should ignore anything he says in his tweets" this is crazy to start w/ (why is this a belief? where did this memo come from?)... plus he says the same shit out loud at rallies -AND- any time he speaks on camera, including on Fox News... so you can remove the "in his tweets" part, you're saying "we should ignore anything he says" period see his rant the day after state of the union, that was speaking from the White House to a room of republicans... how does that fit your INSANE notions? these are just his fucked-up ignorant mentally-ill fraud views, not tricks
kargen Member	Fri Feb 14 18:10:44 "part, you're saying "we should ignore anything he says" period" No I obviously am not. Well obvious to most. I mentioned a while back the one screen two movies idea. Now I am thinking you aren't even in the correct theater. When reality finally hit you it is going to hit hard.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 14 21:15:28 Q #1: from what venue(s) where Trump communicates to the public, should he be believed? (I would say none... whereas the opposite should be true, there should be no venue where you have to assume the President is speaking nonsense) Q #2: name other countries where the populace should assume everything their leader says is meaningless (or just tweets, since you keep trying to limit it to tweets even though he says the same shit regardless of where he's communicating) answer both, with no dodges
kargen Member	Fri Feb 14 21:33:31 remember when I said context matters? Still does. Where he speaks doesn't matter near so much as in what context the words are given. The State of the Union address should be given more weight than something he says on the lawn before boarding Marine One. #2 is just a bullshit question. never once did I say nor even hint that everything President Trump says is meaningless. Think way way back to when you started the ride on your particular crazy train. You were and still are treating every little word President Trump speaks as if it automatically becomes policy. It doesn't and it isn't. I understand you can't distinguish between the two. I've tried to help but you will not take my advice. Quit acting as if the tweets and rallies are gospel and you will be much happier. You are saying President Trump is unfit to be president because you don't like the way he tweets or gives a speech. I disagree. I wish he would lay off the tweets and have been saying that since he was elected. But what I wish doesn't matter and it isn't something that should get him removed from office.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 15 00:00:26 so the only thing you can sort of cite is the State of the Union... him reading a teleprompter speech prepared by others cite ONE PLACE where he speaks his own words where it should be believed... ONE PLACE (& should it be SO difficult to do so?) name a governor, or a mayor, or a CEO, or a McDonald's night manager whose tweets & other statements are such worthless garbage that can't be trusted for a second would Jeb! have had such a struggle to post accurate info & not childish insults, made-up bullshit, & baseless criminal accusations? would Kasich? would your neighbor? it is a ridiculous situation (plus you haven't addressed how he's totally unfit in private too... no preparation whatsoever for his 2 phone calls w/ Zelensky, covering no topic he was meant to... there is a very obvious simple pattern to the unfit fraud)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 15 00:10:13 big Obama scandal, never forget http://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1228469218741350401 at least we don't have to worry about Trump showing affection for Melanie (or her kid) ...although he did fly to Mar-a-lago, as he does almost every weekend... (and they're trying to hide all their secret service expenses til after election... most transparent admin in history!)
kargen Member	Sat Feb 15 01:04:01 "so the only thing you can sort of cite is the State of the Union... him reading a teleprompter speech prepared by others" You are hopeless. I provide one example and you immediately decide it is the only I could think of and then go on to say it doesn't even count. You are right I didn't addressed how he is totally unfit because I don't think he is totally unfit. You are the one that thinks that. And how the fuck do you know there was no prep for the phone calls? I assume you are mind reading again.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 15 01:17:10 i notice you didn't cite an example yet (obviously reading a speech by someone else isn't an example) where can we hear from the President where the info can be trusted? ------- "And how the fuck do you know there was no prep for the phone calls? " i read the transcripts... as he repeatedly requested... there was nothing of substance, no info known by him (in fact, worse, he brought up total nonsense like Crowdstrike) plus, i read the readout of what he was supposed to talk about... it wasn't there... him saying he has a good understanding of Ukraine by their contestants in Miss Universe was there though...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 15 14:14:08 decent bloomberg ad: http://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1228755924115955712
Rugian Member	Sat Feb 15 14:25:41 ^Glad to see that Bloomberg's campaign of trying to pay content creators to make memes for him is paying dividends. But the underlying message of that ad ("what are we teaching our children") becomes way more creepy when you remember that Bloomberg tends to think of every citizen that he governs over as being "children" of the state, to be parented and disciplined accordingly. For all of tw's bleating about Trump undermining "norms" or whatever, Bloomberg is 100 times the wannabe authoritarian that Trump is. God Bloomberg is such a piece of shit,.
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 15 14:48:37 Bloomberg is worse than Hillary.
jergul large member	Sat Feb 15 15:25:56 "Dump Trump" Mkay. That works.
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 15 16:31:34 You cam dream.
jergul large member	Sat Feb 15 18:32:34 Surely you can judge a slogan on its artistic merits? Dump Trump is good.
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 15 20:53:53 It rhymes.
jergul large member	Sat Feb 15 21:27:06 Considerably more than mini mike.
Rugian Member	Mon Feb 17 14:12:31 Well there is a certain word that rhymes with Mike, but you'd probably be offended if Trump used it.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 18 14:12:57 “I’m actually, I guess, the chief law enforcement officer of the country” ~ Trump (on interfering w/ Barr) anyone comfortable w/ that? is that compatible w/ making baseless criminal allegations? all just dandy
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