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superdude
Member
Thu Feb 13 15:25:01
Hilary hated these people and Obama would've needed 2,000 SS agents to protect him.
Dukhat
Member
Thu Feb 13 19:09:14
People sitting on their ass paying to see a sport where people sit on their ass and are visited by the fattest and most out of shape president in a century.

Who gives a fuck?
kargen
Member
Thu Feb 13 20:48:52
Nascar is the 2nd most watched sport in the US behind the NFL so a lot of people give a fuck. President Trump going to an event probably doesn't mean much in the way of politics though. Most those attending/watching probably support him anyway. If it were closer to election day maybe it would inspire some who might otherwise stay home to go out and vote?
hood
Member
Thu Feb 13 21:56:10
Car racing is not a sport, sorry.
Habebe
Member
Thu Feb 13 22:28:27
With Trump its an ongoing image to solidify his base.

Hood, agreed, NFL and NASCAR are both shit sports.
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Feb 13 22:34:51

"Car racing is not a sport, sorry. "

Hood is pretty fucking wrong alot. But at least, unlike seb, he is not always wrong.
kargen
Member
Thu Feb 13 22:57:19
Sport: an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature.

Racing fits that description. Stamina and quick reflexes are required for racing at high levels. It may be a crap sport but it is a sport.
hood
Member
Fri Feb 14 01:13:04
Swimming is a sport. Running is a sport. Hell, even biking is a sport. In car racing, you are doing absolutely no work to move. It's difficult, competitive, but not a sport.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Feb 14 07:00:07
"It's difficult"

I would say this is debatable! For sure going really fast in a circle is more difficult that going really fast straight. One may get fooled into thinking Daytona 500 is a sport, because it is dangerous, but going around in a circle can never be a sport, regardless of how fast and dangerous you are doing it. It is a redneck activity. In fact, if you are watching Daytona 500, there is a high likelihood your parents were first cousins.
hood
Member
Fri Feb 14 07:36:26
Nim, driving really fast in a circle on a closed track is easy, definitely. But having to do that with unbroken concentration for hours? With other cars in the way? I'm willing to give drivers at least that much: it's hard.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Feb 14 08:21:25
In absolut terms it is difficult no doubt, I couldn't do it, but relative to all the ways you can race a car, apart from drag racing where you go straight, it must be the easiest form, no? I am just going by the number of variables you can have in racing. Daytona has stripped the entire topography and track out of the difficulty equation. You are only turning left on a flat track with banks so you can turn left really fast. Formula 1 or Rally racing have to be objectively more difficult than Daytona. They also go really fast, with other cars, but they also have tracks that add difficulty.
hood
Member
Fri Feb 14 08:25:30
Ah, I get you. Yeah, I can agree with that assessment.
patom
Member
Fri Feb 14 11:10:29
Apparently some of you guys haven't watched a lot of NASCAR racing. Plus you think it's all driver. Pit stops are a huge part of the races. Many races have been won or lost just in the pits. The parity in NASCAR is probably the closest in many sports.

I've been a racing fan since 49 when I saw my first NASCAR race at the Langhorne Speedway. I hung around garages where cars were built, pitted for Modifieds and Sprint Cars.

My absolute favorite racing is short track racing on clay. World of Outlaws, Midgets flat track bikes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzJynKfzEzY
The sprints are really radical in that they are direct drive. No clutch or pressure plate. Just an in and out box direct to the rear. 1100 lb. cars. Ain't nothing in the world faster on a half mile dirt track.

Formula 1 is OK but mostly boring because the disparity of the cars. Too few competitive cars and drivers. Each year it seems that one team or another will figure an edge and unless they break they are almost sure to win. The last few years with Hamilton and Mercedes being a prime example. Great driver but also in a dominate car.
patom
Member
Fri Feb 14 11:12:07
But don't worry Trump will be an instant expert and make suggestions as to how to Make Racing Great Again.
Paramount
Member
Fri Feb 14 11:19:41
How many SS agents will protect Trump at Daytona? Less than Obama’s 2000?
Paramount
Member
Fri Feb 14 11:20:35
Wtf is a SS agent anyways? SS as in Schutzstaffel?
Paramount
Member
Fri Feb 14 11:21:16
Secret Service, of course.
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 14 11:29:37
Given that the Secret Service predates the Schutzstaffel...could it be said that "SS" is yet another thing co-opted by the far-right?
Habebe
Member
Fri Feb 14 11:47:40
My great, great grandfather was in the SS.....not the secret service.
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 14 11:49:07
^LITERAL NAZI
patom
Member
Fri Feb 14 12:22:30
Trump will probably arrive during driver introductions via Helicopter in front of the Grandstands. Can't miss an opportunity to show himself to the rabble.
TJ
Member
Fri Feb 14 13:09:37
I'm not a racing fan. I don't watch on the tube or attend car races, but using the experience of driving a car as a frame of reference makes one fairly ignorant about the sport of car racing.

The cars are nothing like a vehicle off the assembly line and the drivers are without a doubt trained athletes. They have some of the most rigorous fitness regiments of any sport.

It more than meets the requirements of other notable sports. When I read remarks like, they sit in a car and do what millions of commuters do every day, is comical to say the least.

The cardio exercise of racing at a Grand Prix is akin to running a marathon. The force against a driver at any given time is an athletic quality and extreme physical exertion. Try averaging 179 heart rate for two to four hours.

The combined weight of a driver’s head and his helmet is around 16 lb / 7.25 kg—but at 5 g, that’s a whopping 80 lb / 36.3 kg of force being applied to the driver’s neck alone, which he must endure corner after corner, lap after lap, while keeping a clear head. Thanks to banked turns, even NASCARs are capable of taking corners at tremendous speeds, such as over 220 mph / 334 kph at Turn 1 of the Indy 500. When going through a corner like that, a driver who weighs 200 lb / 91 kg will feel like 1,000 lb / 454 kg. Not exactly a pleasant sensation.

Those are only a few of the many physical and mental pressures on a driver.

Thanks Google. I consider it an extreme sport.

Hate away!
Habebe
Member
Fri Feb 14 13:22:33
Rugian, I still own his military issued sidearm, stamped Berlin 1936 9mm Luger.

From what I hear from stories the family moved to Hilltown PA in 36/37 to avoid war. He fought in the first WW and said he knew what was to come and wanted no parts of war, he had kids and new born grandson at the time

( my grandpop needed an interpreter until 5th grade)

But yes, a literal Nazi.
patom
Member
Fri Feb 14 13:43:48
TJ, Jimmy Johnson, 7 time NASCAR champion runs full Marathons on a regular basis. His normal heart rate is below 40 beats permin. but when he's racing, depending on the track and situations his heart rate does exceed 150.

Richard Petty actually changed the drivers position when he litterally put the steering wheel in his lap (so to speak). When I started watching, drivers used to extend their arms pretty far away from their body. I'm most comfortable that way. But when running high bank tracks with high G forces it was like having a 100 lb. sack dropped on your arms when you entered the turns.

Another factor is heat inside these cars, which regularly runs over 120 Fahrenheit. Name me one other sport where athletes are under this kind of stress in those kind of temperatures while wearing fire suits, fire proof longjohns, fireproof gloves and hood under their helmets.
kargen
Member
Fri Feb 14 14:30:01
Back in the mid 1970s there was a sports show where they would take athletes from various sports and have them compete in several different events. They couldn't compete in events that was specific to their sport. As example baseball players were not allowed to compete in the home run hitting contest. The first time a driver competed there was a lot of other athletes kinda making snide remarks but he kicked ass.
hood
Member
Fri Feb 14 14:43:04
Physical difficulty does not make car racing a sport, nor does the rigorous training required.
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 14 14:53:57
Typing is a sport!
kargen
Member
Fri Feb 14 15:26:49
Only if you are competing against other typists.
TJ
Member
Fri Feb 14 15:30:50
Oxford Dictionary defines sport as "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or a team competes against another or others for entertainment.


NASCAR meets the above definition.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Feb 14 15:33:24
http://www...php?idIndex=32&idContent=14881

The SportAccord Council has developed a definition of “sport”. The aim of this definition is to determine whether an applicant federation would qualify as a sport federation.

It is not the aim to have a general, scientifically sound definition, but rather to make a clear and pragmatic description of activities which could be considered as a sport.

Elements of a definition

Many dictionaries and encyclopaedias use similar sources and denominations and refer to sport as a physical or athletic activity, with often an element of competition.
In addition, the more “democratic” source of definitions Wikipedia specifically mentions mind sports and motorised sports in which the physical activity is not dominant. Wikipedia also makes the link to art, which is an interesting link for sports that rely on judges.
The current SportAccord membership shows the full breadth of the above.

The sports within SportAccord can be classified in the following categories:

Primarily physical
Primarily mind
Primarily motorised
Primarily coordination
Primarily animal-supported

Some sports have been classified in multiple categories; this is mostly due to different disciplines.

The SportAccord definition of sport

With regard to new applications, SportAccord uses the following definition of a sport:

The sport proposed should have an element of competition.
The sport proposed should in no way be harmful to any living creatures.
The sport should not rely on equipment that is provided by a single supplier.
The sport should not rely on any “luck” element specifically designed into the sport.

Furthermore,

Applications from martial arts and combat sports will be considered with the greatest care due to the complex nature and relatively minor differences between various martial arts and combat sports.

Applications from mind games will only be considered after consultation with the International Mind Sports Association.
Applications from sports with limited physical or athletic activity will be considered with the utmost care.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Feb 14 20:19:04
"Hood is pretty fucking wrong alot. But at least, unlike seb, he is not always wrong."

But he's wrong here. He'll defend his retardation here until the day he dies, no doubt, but he's wrong.
superdude
Member
Sun Feb 16 18:28:59
Trump literally took a victory lap it was awesome.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Feb 16 18:55:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNsCwg5MxP0&t=13
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Feb 16 21:02:49
Trump left before the race even started... a true fan...
kargen
Member
Sun Feb 16 22:00:43
Just shows you the sacrifices he is willing to make. Not interested in the race but still takes the time to show up for the people! Not every day you get to watch Air Force One do a fly-by.
obaminated
Member
Sun Feb 16 22:05:34
racing is definitely a sport, maybe an easy to look down on but still a sport
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun Feb 16 22:13:48
NASCAR is easier to look down on than things like F1, endurance racing, rally racing, etc.
obaminated
Member
Sun Feb 16 22:23:51
I'm certain all of us would get dead last in a race. I also consider esports an actual sport
hood
Member
Sun Feb 16 23:28:18
There's nothing wrong about preserving the sane definition of sport. Chess? Not a sport. Car racing? Not a sport. Playing a computer game? Not a sport.

If the primary mode of competition is not physical exertion, not a sport. Golf? Sport. An easy as fuck sport, at least in terms of required physical conditioning, but still a sport. Hell, I'll even call target shooting a sport, as the main mode of competition, the act of aiming, is fully physical.
Habebe
Member
Mon Feb 17 00:15:28
What hood is describing is what comes to mind when I think of sports.

Now how would horse racing fit in? My gut still leans towards yes (jockeys) even though its not.much different compared to car racing.
kargen
Member
Mon Feb 17 00:34:53
If you are going to use physical exertion then driving is absolutely a sport. Drivers often lose between six and eight pounds each race and that is with trying to stay hydrated during pit stops.
jergul
large member
Mon Feb 17 00:44:54
Do you have any criteria at all that would have you determine "yah, batshit crazy. Time for Pence to step up"?

Driving around the lap in his motorcade, then leaving must be pretty close.
patom
Member
Mon Feb 17 05:16:45
I recorded the race so that I could fast forward through Trump trying to make it all about him. Then the race gets rained out. Thank God Trump won't be there today.
jergul
large member
Mon Feb 17 06:36:46
Ah, the game rained out. Not completely insane then.
Rugian
Member
Mon Feb 17 06:42:09
"jergul
large member Mon Feb 17 00:44:54
Do you have any criteria at all that would have you determine "yah, batshit crazy. Time for Pence to step up"?

Driving around the lap in his motorcade, then leaving must be pretty close."

I'll pay $5 to any person who can take the time to explain this post to me. I've read it three times, and each time I've read it as jergul saying "Trump needs to be replaced because he attended Daytona 500."

But that can't possibly be what was actually said. No one is that stupid and/or insane. Not even the biggest victim of TDS would say something so ridiculous.

So an explanation of what jergul actually said would be appreciated. If you have Paypal that will work fine.
hood
Member
Mon Feb 17 08:16:08
kargen, not at all. The driver is not dedicating any physical exertion to the actual activity. The car performs the activity, not the driver. Physical exertion is required to remove something like chess or jeopardy from being a sport, as neither of those games are physically exerting (mentally, sure).


Habebe:
I'd say horse racing is too close to car racing in that the horse is doing the work, not the rider. Sailing (vs kayaking, which would definitely qualify) is in the same ... boat as horse racing in that it is physically demanding in a more engaging way than car racing, but still not quite there.



Basically, we have this language that is wonderfully expressive and has innumerable synonyms with near-identical definitions, but carry subtle or distinctive nuance. Pretty vs. beautiful. A pretty thing is aesthetically pleasing. A beautiful thing is not just aesthetically pleasing, but captivating as well. Sports are indeed competitions, but sport should still be distinctive from the more broad competition.
jergul
large member
Mon Feb 17 08:20:37
Ruggy
Why don't you try it? Go to the movies. Go up front. Yell "I am the greatest". Then leave before the movie starts.

It goes from eccentric ADHD to insane by your leaving without seeing the movie.
jergul
large member
Mon Feb 17 08:23:49
I corrected the post once patom told me the race was rained out. I gave Trump the benefit of the doubt and imagined he had intially planned on watching the race, but departed when told it was going to be cancelled.

jergul
large member
Mon Feb 17 08:25:24
But humor me. What does Trump have to do, or what pattern of behaviour would you need to see, to decide it is time Pence took over?

There must be some threshold, something too insane for even you to accept,

Right?
jergul
large member
Mon Feb 17 08:26:34
Hood
What about endurance speed typing? Is that a sport?
TJ
Member
Mon Feb 17 11:30:52
What about the Luge or MonoBob? Are they sports?
Forwyn
Member
Mon Feb 17 13:35:09
"Physical exertion"

There's quite a bit of physical exertion involved. The dudes are sitting in a 120°F (49°C for Eurocucks) cockpit battling centrifugal G-forces and uneven/improper airflow for hours at a time, while micro-reactions can and do determine the winner.

There's a reason most of the top drivers can pose for Men's Health.
CrownRoyal
Member
Mon Feb 17 13:38:16
If a participant has to do something, with all the power he or she has, at least sometimes, then it is a sport. That's how I usually look at it. Run, throw, pull, hit, whatever physical activity is involved.
kargen
Member
Mon Feb 17 14:33:55
"kargen, not at all. The driver is not dedicating any physical exertion to the actual activity."

Isaac Newton disagrees with you.
Rugian
Member
Mon Feb 17 14:42:35
jergul,

I still have no idea what your objection is. Presidents routinely make brief visits to events, and prominent persons are regularly given places of honor during public gatherings.

Was the Daytona stop tacky? Arguably. Do I think it's worth removing a sitting President of the United States over? Are you fucking kidding?

Let's turn the question around. What can Trump do that WOULDN'T result in you saying that "Pence needs to step up" because of your blind rage towards the POTUS?
Rugian
Member
Mon Feb 17 14:45:12
I really miss the days when Hot Rod would be raging about Obama putting brown mustard on his hamburger or lying about getting a puppy for the White House. At least back then, most other people here recognized the deranged hatred for what it was.

Now those same people are the enraged ones.
jergul
large member
Mon Feb 17 14:50:44
Ruggy
This would be an example of something Trump could do without my thinking Pence should step up.

Its not showing up at an event then leaving that would have been batshit crazy. It is taking a victory lap with a full motorcade, then leaving without watching the actual race.

I am giving Trump the benefit of the doubt and think that was never the plan.

Why don't you answer the question I asked with a hypothetical - If this series of events unfolded, I would consider Trump unfit for office.

You are imaginative. Surely there is something he imaginably do that would have you want him gone?

Replaced with Pence and not some hypothetical democrat you could frame as even worse.
jergul
large member
Mon Feb 17 14:52:27
You should stop projecting hatred unto others btw. It says more about your state of mind than anything else.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Feb 17 14:56:22
Trump had no plans to stay, although he probably would've watched a few laps if not for rain delay.

Under no circumstance was he watching the whole race.

It was a campaign photo op stunt... as is obvious by his sudden interest in attending sporting events since election season started. (& the ~8 tweets of photos of it)
kargen
Member
Mon Feb 17 15:17:49
President Trump's campaign manager did post a tweet showing Air Force One in the background at Daytona Speedway but used an image from when President Bush attended the 500. The tweet was taken down about a half hour later. I don't think that says anything about removing President Trump though.
TJ
Member
Mon Feb 17 15:20:37
"It is taking a victory lap with a full motorcade, then leaving without watching the actual race."

It wasn't a victory lap. :D

The motorcade took roughly a quarter of a warm up lap before pulling aside in an infield staging area. Off with his head!



tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Feb 17 16:36:20
him being an unfit fraud & traitor who is destroying the nation is why he should be removed

not so much his mentally-ill need to be cheered at & his fraud-based pretense of being like the common man
jergul
large member
Mon Feb 17 16:40:34
It was the leaving that triggered me TJ. Fine that he creates a spectacle when there for the race, but if he is only there to create a spectacle, then something is seriously wrong with him.

Turns out he left because it race was rained out. Thank goodness.
hood
Member
Mon Feb 17 17:01:35
"Isaac Newton disagrees with you."

Actually, work makes my point far greater than physical exertion (however work would disqualify plenty of actual sports). The work a driver does (force in the direction of movement) on the car is 0.


"There's quite a bit of physical exertion involved"

If drivers are out back pushing the car, it would qualify as a sport in my book. The engine is exerting energy to move the car, not the driver. I'm not discounting the difficulty of driving a racecar, only that it should be considered a sport.
kargen
Member
Mon Feb 17 19:12:47
No hood you are simply wrong. Get a friend to drive you around. Have him get up to let's say only forty miles an hour. When he turns a corner stay sitting upright without leaning and without using any muscles to do it. You can't do it.

Newtons laws don't go away simply because you are sitting inside of something. As the car turns, slows or accelerates your core muscles react to offset the force created on your body. If it did not you would be flopping all over the place bouncing your head off the windshield and anything else near by. You are wrong.

Ride a roller coaster and don't engage your core muscles. You will be in for a bad time.
hood
Member
Mon Feb 17 19:31:36
You're really fucking stupid and do not understand the core tenant of my argument. You should really fucking stop.
TJ
Member
Mon Feb 17 20:07:10
"You're really fucking stupid and do not understand the core tenant of my argument. You should really fucking stop."

That is hilarious. I got a healthy chuckle

Sam Adams
Member
Mon Feb 17 20:18:20
Hood is correct. You need athleticism and skill to be a sport.

Car racing doesnt qualify, it requires skill but very little athleticism. Maintaining body posture against 2G turns for a few hours at sea level? Rofl thats cute.

On the opposite end of the spectrum soccer is also not a sport, since it requires only athleticism and no skill.
TJ
Member
Mon Feb 17 20:22:57
Damn, I like this place for the many laughs it provides.
hood
Member
Mon Feb 17 20:34:02
I'll never understand why TJ laughs at his own ignorance.
TJ
Member
Mon Feb 17 20:36:04
hahaha, I'm being easy on you Hood.
hood
Member
Mon Feb 17 20:41:26
You say that like it's some sort of gift you're offering me. You and Karen being completely oblivious to the single important part of my argument is the true gift. Your blathering about how you are holding back your monumental retardation is a bland killjoy.
Habebe
Member
Mon Feb 17 20:48:13
Soccer was invented by European ladies to keep them busy while their husbands did the cooking.
TJ
Member
Mon Feb 17 20:48:16
Your use of tenant in your reprisal of kargen I found hilarious. I believe you meant tenet, which is a principle, or a belief.

You and Sam can believe as you wish. I don't care what the two of you believe being a sport or not.
kargen
Member
Mon Feb 17 21:00:17
"You're really fucking stupid and do not understand the core tenant of my argument"

Nah I get exactly what you are saying. Say it all you want you are wrong. Really wrong. Not just a little wrong.
You are wrong at the Adelaide level and he/she thought not selling kangaroo leather shoes in California would destroy the US economy.
Habebe
Member
Mon Feb 17 21:11:32
"Soccer was invented by European ladies to keep them busy while their husbands did the cooking."

I would love to see the thread this originated from.
Habebe
Member
Mon Feb 17 21:12:56
Damnit, I meant to copy the Adelaide/ kangaroo shoes bit.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Mon Feb 17 21:28:41
At least my own prediction came true.
Habebe
Member
Mon Feb 17 21:52:31
I invented the rectangle...just saying.
patom
Member
Mon Feb 17 22:07:54
Driving isn't a work out???
Hey Hood. I'd love to see you after a 12 hour day behind the wheel of what I started driving Truck with. 1963 International V-190 10 wheel dump truck with a 478 gas engine. 5 + 3 speed trans. No power steering, solid rubber hendrickson suspension. No air seat. Drive over a cigarette but and it felt like someone just kicked you in the back.

Hell lets take Football, How many plays in an average game? 70 per side? lasting 10 sec. max. That means they are actually only exerting themselves for 23 min. a game. That is if they are in on every play.

When I first started driving over the road I was driving over 4 thousand miles a week. Unloading 40 K of rice or canned goods by hand. I mean really, what the fuck do you know about driving? Or hard physical work for that matter?
kargen
Member
Mon Feb 17 22:11:09
It was a classic. Adelaide found an article where Adidas lost a court case that would have allowed them to sell soccer shoes made of kangaroo in California. Adelaide claimed the California economy was big enough it could cripple the entire US economy if it crashed. That might be sorta true. California going down would have a big impact on the rest of the countries economy. From there the theory declined quickly. Adelaide said there are a large number of soccer players in California and most of them want kangaroo leather shoes. Not selling the shoes would basically end the world as we know it. Kangaroo shoes are very popular among soccer players but I didn't think then and still don't think now that kangaroo shoes have a big impact on the California economy.

It was a spin-off on the World Trade Organization arguments we had as to whether or not the USA was following the terms of a whole slew of WTO rulings.
hood
Member
Tue Feb 18 00:05:31
"Driving isn't a work out???"

Funny story! I never said anything close to this.

Funnier story!! Working out != sport.


Funniest story:
"Hell lets take Football"

Football requires fairly little cardio/endurance, dwarfed only by the likes of baseball in its laziness. But cardio does not make sport.
hood
Member
Tue Feb 18 00:07:52
Actually, the funniest story might be your rage out over the fairly simple fact that driving a car should not be considered a sport. Was your argument, patom, that your job as cross country delivery boy was a sport?
Habebe
Member
Tue Feb 18 00:21:50
Did you ever wonder why soany threads on here end up

1. Semi off topic, it will be an off shoot.

2. The entire discussion will focus on one or two minor details that in the grand scheme of things dont matter.

And yet I get my hopes up on occasion I'll check the page amd see a thread I started/was interested in and see a big jump in posts only to go in and realize the entire debate is whether Alabama has a higher real wage or income per capita or median income per capita than the UK....entirley off the true focal point of the initial discussion.
kargen
Member
Tue Feb 18 00:22:11
I'm beginning to suspect Hood is a bubble boy and has never participated in any sport.
hood
Member
Tue Feb 18 07:14:28
That's fine, kargen. I don't really need your validation on anything; I think my PR in the 1600 and 5K speak for themselves. What you believe is inconsequential.
Rugian
Member
Tue Feb 18 08:01:22
Habebe,

Normally I'd be in complete agreement with you on the whole threads derailing into discussions of irrelevant minutiae thing.

But what sort of substantive debate did you expect from a thread about the Daytona 500?
hood
Member
Tue Feb 18 08:05:21
It's also what every thread does anyway, even if it stays "on topic."
Rugian
Member
Tue Feb 18 08:07:01
Jergul,

You've so lost me. So if a President, say, throws the first pitch at the World Series and then leaves the game, that's grounds for removing him from office? That's completely insane.

For the record, there are plenty of things that would cause me to advocate for Trump's removal (shooting someone on 4th or 6th Avenues, for example). Making a speech and taking an honorary lap at the Daytona 500 is certainly not one of them.

Your hatred of Trump has manifested itself many times over the years. To deny it now is straight gaslighting.

Habebe
Member
Tue Feb 18 08:15:17
Not arguing here as much pointing out the obvious

" sun in sky is bright"
jergul
large member
Tue Feb 18 08:27:58
Ruggy
You really, really shoulds stop projecting hatred onto others. It says too much about your state of mind.

So if Trump personally shoots someone, you will advocate his removal. None of this stand your ground, it was self defence, or a hunting accident, or whatever?

Or did you mean he is removable if and only if he shoot someone on 4th or 6th Avenue?
patom
Member
Tue Feb 18 09:24:40
I highly doubt if Trump has the balls to actually shoot anyone, unless they were held down by his hired help.
Rugian
Member
Thu Feb 20 18:42:58
jergul,

You pretending not to hate Trump is hilarious. You mock him at every turn, you write off anyone who supports him as having been cut from sanity, you think he needs to be removed from office for taking a lap on the Daytona 500, you've even gone on to express support for a veritable piece of shit (Bloomberg) solely because he was (before yesterday) perceived as being able to beat Trump.

As for the rest of your post, congrats on proving habebe's point of all threads devolving into debating minutae correct. I'm not going to split hairs and discuss whether Trump can pepper someone and remain in office as long as premeditation can't be proven.

I have very reasonable standards for determining whether Trump should be removed from office. You have very unreasonable standards for determining whether he should be allowed to stay. You're in the hot seat here, not me.
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 20 18:50:52
I like to feel I express far more disdain of you than I ever have of Trump. I would think it insane that you would try to pich my hating you because of it. Same goes for the dolt in chief.

There are upsides to him being re-elected.

You seem to have no standards. Thats fair enough. I suspected no different.

But you should try to find a more healthy set of mind.
Rugian
Member
Thu Feb 20 19:00:15
"I like to feel I express far more disdain of you than I ever have of Trump."

Yes, and why is that again? Oh right, because I started supporting Trump over the far-left socialist bent the Democrats were going on.

"There are upsides to him being re-elected."

Yes, in your mind at least, in the sense that you believe another four years of Trump would cause America to implode. Thanks for reminding me that you are also a rabid anti-American piece of shit.

"You seem to have no standards. Thats fair enough. I suspected no different."

A lie, as demonstrated by this very thread. Nice job.

"But you should try to find a more healthy set of mind."

You're a failed fisherman who longs to bring Soviet-style governance to the entire Western world. In terms of an unhealthy state of mind, I can't think of many people worse off.
Habebe
Member
Thu Feb 20 19:11:07
I don't hate Jergul at all, I rather enjoy him. If not for him who would argue with?

I think 50% of his support for BB is due to my disdain of him.

He is much more interesting to argue than say Dukhat and TW tends to go off on insanely long*** rambles.But Tw is still better than Dukhat.
jergul
large member
Thu Feb 20 19:13:47
Ruggy
Wow, no. I have always held you in great disdain. If anything, you gained some brownie points for supporting an unlikely president.

I had previously held you in great disdain for trashing presidents you disliked. He or she are your head of state for better or for worse.

One major upside is of course 1 200 000 000 000 Sovereign fund. More of Trump's corporate wellfare is of course helpful.

Otherwise, I am in alignment with the French president. Europe should find its own way to a greater degree. Trump is helpful with that too.

My disdain for you now is of course based on you using the language of violence on those you percieve to be in opposition to your political views.

Lay off the hatred, bro. Its unbecoming.
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 21 12:23:09
Yeah, that's some weak-ass history-rewriting bullshit you're attempting to pull there.

Let's take it at face value though. So now heads of state are incapable of being criticized or disliked? LOL! Such a peasant mentality. Unlike you, we aren't the product of dozens of generations of conditioning to revere our kings as untouchable demigods.

Also, our heads of state simultaneously function as heads of government. So you are essentially saying that to ever criticize the government automatically makes you a contemptible person. Fucking brilliant.

But I'm glad to see that even your commie mind acknowledges that Trump is much better for the American economy than any of his competition.

As for advocating violence against people with different political beliefs, you're thinking of WTB. Funny for all of his psychotic rants about how anyone with conservative views is a piece of shit that needs to die for the sake of humanity, I've never once seen you come out in opposition to him. I can only assume you agree with the sentiment.

I'm sorry you have such hatred in your heart for anyone to the right of Gerhardsen. You should probably learn to except that the Norwegian Overton Window is wildly out of sync in most other places in the world.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Feb 21 13:13:17
"I had previously held you in great disdain for trashing presidents you disliked. He or she are your head of state for better or for worse."

Guess we now know that tw is jergul's most disliked poster here now.
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 21 13:54:40
Ruggy
My god, does your mind reframe everything into the language of hate automatically, or do you have to work on it?

Forwyn
Its a circle, not a line. Tw's dedication is touching somehow. Less would have been silly, but he crossed a line into art almost.
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