Utopia Talk / Politics / official BS by delusional fraud POTUS#27

tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 19 13:44:24 "Rod Blagojevich did not sell the Senate seat. He served 8 years in prison, with many remaining. He paid a big price. Another Comey and gang deal! Thank you to @LisaMarieBoothe who really “gets” what’s going on! @FoxNews" ~ unfit fraud so nice he cites Comey to defend a commutation... we all know his view of Comey is completely sane, honest & rational
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 19 13:48:32 Trump also retweeted this total bullshit from capo Mark Meadows: " We have a long documented trail and an IG report showing high level DOJ/FBI elements were used illicitly to target Trump. Point blank. " TOTAL LIE... cite this 'long documented trail'... the FISA issues were only on Carter Page (not 'targeting Trump'), and NO conclusion it was any corrupt bias on that or anything else in my unbiased opinion, Republicans are fucking liars... at least the Trump lovers
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 19 13:54:11 the problem is Trump & Fox News keep repeating this shit even though there's -no- evidence for it... and either senators & congressmen have heard it so much they are just believing it, or they are knowing helping spread the lie (as w/ Meadows/Jordan/Nunes/Gaetz/others) the country is doomed if we don't stomp out this constant spewing of deception (originating from Trump, and happily spread by Fox News, & the like)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 19 15:18:12 Lawyers for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange told a London court on Wednesday that Trump tendered a pardon deal for Assange contingent on him denying that Russia stole emails from the Democratic National Committee that were leaked by his organization ahead of the presidential election. http://www...ussian-involvement-in-dnc-hack (the current piece of shit press secretary offered a worthless denial) i dunno if it happened, but anyone thinking Trump wouldn't do it is an idiot
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 19 15:50:59 Rohrabacher here admitting their were negotiations between Assange & White House... but 'confidential': http://twitter.com/funder/status/1230212104499728395 so i will change my view to it definitely happened... Trump has been obsessed w/ the DNC hack & clearing Russia (& it's the only hacking Trump ever seemed aware of) it's the same as the Crowdstrike idiocy he mentioned w/ Ukraine
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 19 16:57:54 This also on Trump's twitter "[The Deep State] is concerned that AG Barr might do the right thing and they are desperate to do everything to stop him from prosecuting the criminal gangs that targeted @realDonaldTrump and other innocent Americans.” said by shitbag Tom Fitton, on shitbag Lou Dobbs' show "criminal gangs"... as noted nowhere...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 19 18:52:46 " I am pleased to announce that our highly respected Ambassador to Germany, Richard Grenell, will become the Acting Director of National Intelligence. " ~ unfit fraud dictator, future 'man most directly responsible for destruction of America' Grenell: no intel background... a Trump loyalist...
Rugian Member	Wed Feb 19 18:59:23 " Grenell: no intel background... a Trump loyalist..." http://www...1dSg9pg&feature=youtu.be&t=119 A novice patriot is more valuable than a thousand veteran traitors.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 20 11:49:21 a patriot is loyal to the country, he was picked seemingly for being loyal to Trump (as no obvious qualifications)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 20 11:58:27 Roger Stone was sentenced to 3 years 4 months (by the judge Trump has been smearing...) " Roger Stone was found guilty of lying to Congress and threatening a witness. He did it to cover up for Trump. His sentence is justified. It should go without saying, but to pardon Stone when his crimes were committed to protect Trump would be a breathtaking act of corruption. " ~Adam Schiff, patriot meanwhile Trump (a traitor & fraud) & his propaganda team working to convince the public the FBI is corrupt & politically biased w/ baseless hoax coup allegations, the DOJ is corrupt & politically biased in prosecutions, that Democrats are evil scum, & that elections are rigged... sounds just like that Albania thread
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 20 12:02:11 (maybe it's true in Albania, i'm not weighing in on that... who knows anything about Albania... except Coach Pantusso's ♫"Albania! Albania! You border on the Adriatic"♫ song) but Trump/Fox News smears are all made-up, no evidence for any of it
Habebe Member	Thu Feb 20 12:09:52 Adam schiff is the only guy in Congress creepier than Ted cruz.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 20 12:19:42 a stand-out star of impeachment... whereas Trump's lawyers said provable lies & had additional ethics violations
kargen Member	Thu Feb 20 12:54:45 If you really had a problem with liars Shiff would be right up there near the top of people you have a problem with. Remember when he told the world he had real and substantial proof that President Trump was working with the Russians? Remember when he said he didn't know who the whistle blower was? He has told all kinds of whoppers and is suffering from Trump derangement syndrome almost as bad as you are.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 20 13:02:47 "Remember when he told the world he had real and substantial proof that President Trump was working with the Russians" no... "Remember when he said he didn't know who the whistle blower was?" yes... & i don't recall any proof otherwise (although that wasn't material to the case, unlike Trump lawyer deceptions) "He has told all kinds of whoppers" feel free to list them (w/ proof)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 20 13:14:40 On Trump's twitter: " “The decision not to prosecute Andy McCabe is utterly inexplicable.” @Judgenap @HARRISFAULKNER @FoxNews " (quoting Fox News) corrupt AG Barr should resign from this constant badgering & undermining of faith in DOJ... but he probably won't as he's corrupt i wonder how often Fox notes McCabe's 'lack of candor' was about a media leak harmful to Hillary... it kinda hurts the narrative that he was working against Trump (for which there is ZERO evidence) it's kinda fucking obvious why Fox News harping on McCabe... purely due to petty vengeful Trump & his constant false smears it was a shit case, & that's why he wasn't charged... does anyone think Trump even knows a single detail about it? (you're really stupid if so, no offense)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 20 13:34:20 Pelosi on the latest unqualified pick of Trump (Grenell): “Our troops, the patriots of our intelligence community and the American people deserve a smart, strong national security policy. Sadly, President Trump has once again put his political interests ahead of America’s national security interests by appointing an Acting Director of National Intelligence whose sole qualification is his absolute loyalty to the President. America needs an experienced, qualified and Senate-confirmed national security professional, particularly as the independence and credibility of the intelligence community have come under attack from the White House itself. Once again, the President has shown his contempt for our Constitution’s system of checks and balances by sidestepping the Senate’s constitutional authority of confirmation with the installation of another Acting official that he knows cannot be confirmed even in a Republican-controlled Senate.” anyone want to argue w/ the substance? is constant 'acting' appointments fine? enabling him to dodge having qualified people & to ignore any checks & balances grow some spines, R's, you know you wouldn't accept this in the reverse
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 20 13:54:31 more signs of the obvious looming danger: http://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1230290848081993735 Lou Dobbs criticizing Barr for whining about Trump's interference on 'old media', while defending Trump getting his message out on 'new media' (twitter). (let's ignore Trump's message is total bullshit smears, trying to get his enemies prosecuted & his allies freed from facing justice) And worse, he just states as fact the DOJ & FBI are corrupt & the heads are crooked (Barr is the head of the DOJ, btw) & that Barr better be fighting for Trump. [NOPE, that's not his job] fuck Lou Dobbs, fuck Fox News, fuck Trump wake up, people not noticing the threat
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 20 14:17:53 "Hillary leaked more classified documents than anyone in the history of America" ~Trump (he's the President of the United States) ...one might say she didn't leak any classified documents at all, if truth mattered anymore
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 20 16:36:14 " Could somebody at @foxnews please explain to Trump hater A.B. Stoddard (zero talent!) and @TeamCavuto, that I won every one of my debates, from beginning to end. Check the polls taken immediately after the debates. The debates got me elected. Must be Fox Board Member Paul Ryan! " ~ mentally-ill idiot child, constant embarrassment to the nation that he is actively destroying the polls he's referring to are internet polls that makes him a FUCKING MORON, if anyone is unclear he touted them constantly, & referred to them as 'people calling in'... because he is a FUCKING MORON as someone recently noted
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 20 16:48:05 seems Trump (the fucking moron) was angered that the DNI briefed the House Intel committee about Russia election interference... but that committee is led by Adam Schiff!!!!! ...possibly why DNI being swapped for a totally unqualified Trump loyalist i'm sure kargen has a good defense for all of these issues though
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 20 18:25:43 lawless prosecutors & deep state bureaucrats are who went after Blagojevich (just like w/ Trump of course) & they must be stopped or will destroy our democracy... according to Blagojevich... and ex Fox News shitbag Eric Bolling agrees, how about that http://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1230622259737505797
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 20 18:41:06 “All traitors must die miserable deaths. Those that represent traitors shall meet the same fate. We will hunt you down and bleed you out like the pigs you are. We have nothing but time, and you are running out of it. Keep looking over your shoulder. We know who you are, where you live, and who you associate with. We are all strangers in a crowd to you.” ~ Trump supporter to lawyer of whistleblower i wonder how his hostility got whipped up to that level... he has now been charged for the death threat by lawless prosecutors & the deep state... save him Trump!
Rugian Member	Thu Feb 20 18:45:40 Schiff has been proven incapable of being trusted with info that's too valuable to be leaked to the press at the first opportunity. So any committee that he's a member of should of course be disqualified from receiving sensitive national security intelligence. And your denials of his numerous ethical failures over the last three years are beyond pathetic.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 20 20:39:57 so you are ok if Trump replaced the DNI with an unqualified stooge in order to keep info about Russian activities (or anything else) secret from the House intel committee (and whomever else Trump wishes It kept secret from, which will be everyone)? danger confirmed
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 20 22:34:38 great news, Trump is considering Doug Collins for the DNI position... anyone who ever listened to him will obviously be greatly alarmed he has more experience than Grenell (as in it's not zero) but his insane level of loyalty & devotion to Trump (over country) is clearly on record
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 20 23:11:42 of less note than the destruction of the country... here's the President taking on the important issues http://twitter.com/ClaudiaKoerner/status/1230655162139791364 for the record Sunset Boulevard was from 1950, Gone With The Wind 1939 i don't recall him ever referencing a movie, book or tv show from the last 50 years (other than 'his' own)
smart dude Member	Fri Feb 21 02:23:51 Also Sunset Boulevard didn't even win Best Picture, so WTF is he even talking about?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 11:55:40 it's probably the last movie he saw --- Trump still upset at Cavuto's show yesterday where i guess the guest said Trump didn't do well in debates or other true comments: "So @TeamCavuto has very bad ratings on @foxnews with his Fake guests like A.B.Stoddard and others that still haven’t figured it all out. Will he get the same treatment as his friend Shepherd Smith, who also suffered from the ratings drought?" fake guest? that's new, i think and gotta toss them off the network if they aren't pro-Trump of course totally normal presidential behavior here, as usual
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 12:11:16 i watched the Cavuto clip... the fake guest was talking about Bloomberg for most of the time, merely spending 10 secs comparing Bloomberg's bad debate to Trump & noting not necessarily fatal... "Trump had disastrous debate performances, many answers were so cringeworthy you couldn't even believe he was standing on stage & he's president" ~ fake guest <sum total of the comments that set Trump off> apparently in addition to the tweets, he was harping on it at his rally... quite a bit... http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1230653881849434118
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 12:11:27 and here http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1230656032948572160
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 12:13:04 and here http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1230656995042234369 supposedly going on about 20 mins on it... & coming to rally w/ printouts of internet polls to read all for 10 secs of criticism about his debate performance (and he definitely had awful moments) severe mental illness (plus i'm sure plenty more fucked up behavior in that twitter thread of guy live tweeting whole rally, i just had enough for now :p)
Rugian Member	Fri Feb 21 12:37:07 tumbleweed the wanderer Thu Feb 20 23:11:42 "i don't recall him ever referencing a movie, book or tv show from the last 50 years (other than 'his' own)" Clearly you forgot about Fredo Cuomo then. tumbleweed the wanderer Thu Feb 20 20:39:57 "so you are ok if Trump replaced the DNI with an unqualified stooge in order to keep info about Russian activities (or anything else) secret from the House intel committee (and whomever else Trump wishes It kept secret from, which will be everyone)?" Actions have consequences and Adam Schiff's behavior during Russiagate should disqualify him from receiving any classified intelligence for the remainder of time. And why are you surprised that Trump is now placing extra value on loyalty in intelligence officials, after three plus years of the intelligence agencies doing everything they can to undermine his election victory and presidency? Funny how you're such a big fan of John Brennan
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 12:41:08 Trump didn't come up w/ Fredo... yes, he can repeat stuff he hears on Fox "after three plus years of the intelligence agencies doing everything they can to undermine his election victory and presidency" as they didn't do this... they did their job and it's DNI's job to share info w/ the House intel committee, it's right in the rules if Schiff is so dangerous why is there no credible effort to remove him? why are there no charges?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 12:47:20 " Another misinformation campaign is being launched by Democrats in Congress saying that Russia prefers me to any of the Do Nothing Democrat candidates who still have been unable to, after two weeks, count their votes in Iowa. Hoax number 7! " ~ the TRAITOR remember kargen had trouble accepting Russia preferred Trump last time even though every single aspect one could think of would suggest so... is there really any doubt they still support him? perhaps amongst crazy people i guess anyway, now he's LYING to all our faces again about it... (he KNOWS the intel... well, assuming he paid attention) this was Fox News' spin on the story yesterday (about Trump angry at DNI for letting anyone know Russia was helping him again) http://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERQWdjdW4AEMha2?format=jpg i guess they'll have to re-spin to just deny deny deny... Trump comes before America... that's the rule for all hires & his propaganda network & Rugian is cool with it
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 13:07:29 shitbag Nunes is the one who told Trump the intel committee got the briefing so, this would confirm Trump knows Russia helping him even if he didn't pay attention at his own briefings & that the above tweet is DEFINITE DECEPTION TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE This Is Not Acceptable
Habebe Member	Fri Feb 21 14:28:27 Definite deception to the American people? Aka the story of the DNC. We all know the dnc Riggs elections ala Clinton.They've admitted they owe no one a fair election. This at worst is Russia seeing dissent.Its odd they never do this in secret when they "interfere" in elections.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 15:13:37 do you deny Russia prefers Trump? (vs anyone in Dem field... or in existence) for what reason would they not the intel community has concluded they ARE again helping him (extremely unsurprisingly), yet Trump is claiming it's all a Dem hoax (& i'm sure we're just at the start of an upswing in his campaign to defend Russia that never ended) how is it acceptable? and it was not merely sowing dissent last time (as EVERYONE concluded, including R-controlled committees) & will not be this time also if you acknowledge they like sowing dissent, then how could they not LOVE Trump
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 15:25:51 an R congressman dick on CNN is doubting Russia even preferred Trump last time... 'only some concluded that'... it's over, RIP America
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 15:27:07 (& brought up the 'they only wanted to sow discord' BULLSHIT disproven talking point that kargens of the world accepted)
Habebe Member	Fri Feb 21 17:09:39 Now Russia is supporting Bernie Sanders.....hahahahahhaa Anyone who hillary doesn't like surprisingly " they are tools od Russia" we should all probably just got Clinton.
jergul large member	Fri Feb 21 19:30:16 Supporting Sanders in the primaries because he is the easiest candidate for Trump to beat. Seems Russia really wants Trump reelected. These bromances are something special.
TJ Member	Fri Feb 21 19:38:22 Or?
jergul large member	Fri Feb 21 19:54:16 Or nothing. If Russia wanted Sanders elected then the last thing they could do would be help him. Even a rumour of a Kremlin controlled socialist running for president would destroy his campaign.
jergul large member	Fri Feb 21 19:56:11 And you know how it is with these rumours. People just speculate as is their right and wont. Then suddenly we have traction and talking heads making hay out of Russia's ties to socialism and Manchurian candidates wanting to run the whitehouse.
TJ Member	Fri Feb 21 19:59:00 So, you don't believe it is possible that the moderate DNC doesn't feel threatened by Sanders? The NEWS sure have me fooled. Humble Pie.
jergul large member	Fri Feb 21 20:06:13 TJ Its delegate reform is inconsistent with locking Sanders out of the process. Sure they feel threatened, but not by much. He is what? 78? And has no heir apparent. There is a new generation of radicals in the pipeline that are more worthy of attention. Sanders will get the nomination if he secures the majority of delegates. I would not give him much in the way of chances in a brokered convention. He has too many weaknesses. In sum right now? Sanders has about 50% chance of becoming the democratic candidate (40% chance outright with a majority. 10% by way of a brokered convention).
TJ Member	Fri Feb 21 20:15:03 "There is a new generation of radicals in the pipeline that are more worthy of attention." VP being the next in line. "Sanders will get the nomination if he secures the majority of delegates." DUH! "I would not give him much in the way of chances in a brokered convention. He has too many weaknesses." You think that might piss off Bernie Bro's? Exactly one my points in the other thread that is now full. My very first post as a matter of fact. With an equal question mark. "In sum right now? Sanders has about 50% chance of becoming the democratic candidate (40% chance outright with a majority. 10% by way of a brokered convention)." Yeah, even in this moment of time.
jergul large member	Fri Feb 21 20:21:59 There are national polls that answer your question. 15% of Sander's supporters will support no one else. Its one of the effects to expect when you mobilize fractions of the 100 million.
jergul large member	Fri Feb 21 20:24:37 Stacey Abrams will almost certainly be VP candidate. The only question is who will be her running mate :).
TJ Member	Fri Feb 21 20:36:00 "There are national polls that answer your question. 15% of Sander's supporters will support no one else." I believe that to be unpredictable. Not that I couldn't be wrong. My wife is demanding my attention. I'm sure you understand.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 21:38:38 Trump (& his propaganda team) have and continue to undermine trust in our intel agencies now he's working on doing same for the DOJ (prosecutors, judges) and now trying to put unqualified stooges into intel posts plus the constant discrediting of media plus never has a bad word for Putin plus spreads division whenever possible plus lies every time he speaks plus has severe mental illness plus trusts Putins word on everything, as we've seen repeatedly plus reflexively defends Russia on all issues as if he has a personal stake plus is a completely ignorant buffoon with no understanding of any issue I guarantee Russia is backing him... including by also helping Bernie in primaries
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 22:03:08 " MSDNC (Comcast Slime), @CNN and others of the Fake Media, have now added Crazy Bernie to the list of Russian Sympathizers, along with @TulsiGabbard & Jill Stein (of the Green Party), both agents of Russia, they say. But now they report President Putin wants Bernie (or me) to win. The reason for this is that the Do Nothing Democrats, using disinformation Hoax number 7, don’t want Bernie Sanders to get the Democrat Nomination, and they figure this would be very bad for his chances. It’s all rigged, again, against Crazy Bernie Sanders! " ~ the TRAITOR i'm sure we're all shocked to see him using the Bernie news to continue his FALSE TRAITOROUS narrative (plus his evil disgusting campaign to piss-off Bernie voters against the DNC) it's not the DNC saying Russia helping Bernie or Trump, it's our intelligence community (& Bernie acknowledged it, unlike Trump -ever- will) what is the defense to this? honestly, how do you crazed morons justify it?
TJ Member	Fri Feb 21 22:24:41 "what is the defense to this? honestly, how do you crazed morons justify it?" Don't you think that you answered your own question?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 22:48:15 'crazed morons' is merely my term for Trump supporters... which do exist in large numbers... what is their defense for Trump claiming it's a Democrat hoax when he -KNOWS- it did not come from Democrats i know kargen believes what Trump says from every platform & venue doesn't matter... how do the rest accept it? --------------- Trump talking about healthcare: http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1230973251918192642 "We're gonna give you brand new preexisting"... what someone w/ no idea what he's talking about says
Habebe Member	Fri Feb 21 23:05:56 Jergul, "member Fri Feb 21 19:54:16 Or nothing. If Russia wanted Sanders elected then the last thing they could do would be help him. Even a rumour of a Kremlin controlled socialist running for president would destroy his campaign." So how is that different from Trump? I mean in all seriousness , isnt itnodd that they get caught so easily?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 23:09:46 sounds like you're denying they preferred Trump last election... that would be an extremely crazy belief even if -every- investigation (whether by intel agencies or even R-controlled committees) hadn't concluded they did
Habebe Member	Fri Feb 21 23:09:52 "what is their defense for Trump claiming it's a Democrat hoax when he -KNOWS- it did not come from Democrats" I honestly believe that there is as much chance that Russia is doing this as the DNC. They have admitted in Court that they do not support fair elections as long as they win. This isnt suspicion, they admit this.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 23:15:22 Trump -KNOWS- the -intel community- concluded Russia helping him (& presumably Bernie too if he pays attention at all, which granted isn't a given) we aren't speculating here... Nunes (the guy who actually should be removed from intel committee) told Trump about the briefing he knows where the conclusion came from, & instead telling the American people it's a Democrat hoax & using it to spin his bullshit
Habebe Member	Fri Feb 21 23:15:27 Re, So why did they run pro hillary ads as well? Why have we not been given precise details? Who/what/where/when and how did this info come to be? Very little details. Now they are supporting Bernie, but again were given what, 1 paragraph? Show your work, the US intelligence agency doesn't have the best record these days ( 18 years of war because they had proof of wmds xcuae menifnim skeptical)
Habebe Member	Fri Feb 21 23:19:36 So why wont they shownthere work? Why in a free society should we trust the word of unelected officials who show **no proof** They think there word alone is proof. Again, we are still in a war because of there incompetence/lies.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 23:20:29 Bernie has acknowledged* the intel people briefed him on the efforts, so again, NOT the DNC (*he's not the traitorous liar that Trump is) "Why have we not been given precise details?" if you mean 2016, see Mueller Vol 1 if you mean currently, well Trump will squash all reports he can... but hopefully we WILL get details... they only just briefed Congress recently
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 23:24:45 w/ Trump appointing a stooge to DNI, safe to say congress will stop hearing about efforts we just have to keep hope in patriots who haven't yet been kicked out by this disastrous administration... Trump's 'body man', who is now in charge of personnel or something, has put out an order to exterminate all those who aren't loyal to Trump (where loyal means they will hide & cover-up his unfit / criminal behavior)
Habebe Member	Fri Feb 21 23:34:21 Mueller investigation... Prompted by Pelosi/ Schiff... The same people who purged impeachment with no criminal charges. Btw, Mueller? Trump was proven innocent, impeachment? Proven innocent... Why doesnt the DNC try to win an election fairly* I know they dont legally owe that to anyone as they stated in court** bit just try to run a fair election.
Habebe Member	Fri Feb 21 23:34:22 Mueller investigation... Prompted by Pelosi/ Schiff... The same people who purged impeachment with no criminal charges. Btw, Mueller? Trump was proven innocent, impeachment? Proven innocent... Why doesnt the DNC try to win an election fairly* I know they dont legally owe that to anyone as they stated in court** bit just try to run a fair election.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 21 23:48:11 are you saying the Mueller investigation was nonsense? and Trump was not proven innocent, but that's not really relevant as to whether Russia helped him so no need to enter that argument, plenty of Russia interference detailed in Mueller Vol 1 ---- here's an article on my Trump 'body man' reference in case anyone interested http://the...identify-anti-trump-appointees starting w/ these unnerving words: "Johnny McEntee, President Trump's former body man and current head of the presidential personnel office..." and via wikipedia, he's 29, work experience seems to be some months at Fox News, before joining Trump's campaign... and he was kicked out of the White House in 2018 due to problems w/ gambling debts... but luckily he's back now, as head of personnel... now that the guard rails are off nothing concerning here at all
Habebe Member	Fri Feb 21 23:59:37 These infallible agencies, as far as I read they supposedly helped Trump, Hillary and now Bernie, correct?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 22 00:04:46 i don't understand your question... they were not helping Hillary... they factually helped Trump in 2016, & reportedly are assisting Bernie & Trump at the moment =========== as more evidence, this is the Senate's report (*Republican*-led committee): http://www...s/documents/Report_Volume2.pdf under findings: " The Committee found, that the IRA sought to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election by harming Hillary Clinton's chances of success and supporting Donald Trump at the direction of the Kremlin. " find ANY report or agency concluding otherwise (that isn't Russian)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 22 01:52:09 for evidence Trump supporters are crazed morons, i'll reference this rally moment again: http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1230973251918192642 Trump promises to give us 'brand new preexisting' & 'a great healthcare that's much less expensive' (no i didn't leave out any words) and the crazed morons cheer did he leave out details to save time? no, he rambles on & on about completely irrelevant topics, this would actually be relevant for once... there are no details as the plan doesn't exist a crowd cheering for completely made-up nonsense (as they do continuously)
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 22 10:29:44 Tw, In the reports it was stated that russians had postes FB posts in favor of both Hillary and Trump, more were pro Trump than Hillary but regardless that's russia helping all 3. As for another agency, I just posted texts from the FBI claiming the BULK of the Intel said the opposite. Might have been the other thread.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 22 11:33:46 i don't really want to get sucked into this silliness -every- agency & investigation concluded the same thing, Russia was helping Trump over Clinton as would be expected given - Putin has personal hatred for Hillary - Trump expressed constant praise for Putin, & desire to be friends w/ Russia (to the confusion of all on both sides) - Trump repeated Russian talking points on plane shootdown & Crimea - Trump wanted to be less involved w/ world problems - Trump was clearly an ignorant clown buffoon - Putin admitted he preferred Trump (for whatever that's worth) - many more reasons... see every aspect of Trump's character as for 2020, tack on his assault on intel agencies & DOJ for starters, plus attacking all of our traditional allies, while being easily manipulated by the world's dictators but i am aware team Trump & his propaganda team & disgusting congress loyalists are STILL trying to convince the public Russia didn't prefer Trump even though THEY DEFINITELY DID if you want to believe that completely illogical position, that is counter to ALL investigations, go ahead, apparently nothing will change your mind
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 22 11:37:34 And now they have concluded that Russia is supporting Bernie Sanders.
jergul large member	Sat Feb 22 11:41:03 Supporting Sanders is supporting Trump Habebe. Are we going to continue spamming this?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 22 11:52:07 i left out election rigging... Trump claimed primaries were rigged, and the 2016 main election, and the 2018 midterms, and soon the 2020 election (w/ some of it already claimed, like all of California being rigged) hard to criticize Russian election rigging if our elections are rigged too... not that Trump would ever criticize Russia ---- supporting Sanders in the primary proves nothing, wait til general election... Sanders is the most risky candidate for the Dems to go with
jergul large member	Sat Feb 22 12:12:50 Sanders is a suicidal candidate for the Dems to go with now that the narrative of Kremlin's Socialist Manchurian candidate can be promoted. He used to just be risky.
Rugian Member	Sat Feb 22 12:50:26 tumbleweed the wanderer Fri Feb 21 23:20:29 "Bernie has acknowledged* the intel people briefed him on the efforts, so again, NOT the DNC" Wait, why did the intel people even inform him in the first place? I thought the standard response to alleged Russian manipulation in an election was to keep the candidate in question in the dark over the incident, then get bogus FISA warrants in order to illegally spy on his campaign. Weird.
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 22 13:14:25 So let me get this straight. 1."Helping" Sanders gives Trump the election. 2. Leaking the fact that They are posting Facebook posts in favor of Trump/Bernie does not hurt them as candidates. Wouldn't it make sense that such suspicion of a candidate would hurt that candidates chances, especially among independents?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 22 14:00:17 Trump's campaign was informed of efforts plus all the suspicious contacts by his team + the fact Trump was openly pro-Russia created a different scenario and they didn't "get bogus FISA warrants in order to illegally spy on his campaign"... they spied on Carter Page (after he left campaign), that's the -ONLY- FISA target... do you think Carter Page was a point man in the campaign? also look how Trump using the Bernie info... calling it a Dem hoax & adding it to his story they are rigging the primaries
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 22 14:08:00 " Democrats in the Great State of Nevada (Which, because of the Economy, Jobs, the Military & Vets, I will win in November), be careful of Russia, Russia, Russia. According to Corrupt politician Adam “Shifty” Schiff, they are pushing for Crazy Bernie Sanders to win. Vote! " ~ the TRAITOR was it Schiff who decided Russia helping Bernie? NOPE! and the TRAITOR knows it... thus he is a continually LYING TRAITOR who all Americans should despise as has been TOTALLY OBVIOUS from everything he's said & done since the start i'm glad we all now agree ======= he also posted " “An investigation into NOTHING.” The wonderful @trish_regan on the Mueller Witch Hunt! " presumably quoting Trish Regan who apparently is a disgraceful Fox News host/shill/propagandist the Mueller investigation reported MANY detailed things about interference that should be of concern any non-TRAITOR president & the Republican party the MORON TRAITOR Trump has always been unable to separate Russia interference from collusion... and apparently that view has spread
Rugian Member	Sat Feb 22 14:16:40 Given how openly hostile the national intelligence agencies are to Trump, it wouldnt surprise me at all if Schiff's leak of the intel was the first that Trump had heard of it. So no, we DONT all agree. Not at all. "the [great and wonderful] Trump has always been unable to separate Russia interference from collusion... and apparently that view has spread" To Adam Schiff, say?
Rugian Member	Sat Feb 22 14:21:42 "also look how Trump using the Bernie info... calling it a Dem hoax & adding it to his story they are rigging the primaries" Is it really a stretch to call the national intelligence agencies a part of the Democratic Party at this point? And you're now denying that the Obama administration spied on the presidential campaign of the primary opposition party? I thought we had agreed that that much had happened at least.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 22 14:23:38 "Given how openly hostile the national intelligence agencies are to Trump" established by nothing ---- "it wouldnt surprise me at all if Schiff's leak of the intel was the first that Trump had heard of it" it wasn't a Schiff leak, we know Nunes informed Trump of the briefing BY intel TO Schiff, not other way around... plus if Trump was fit for office he would have the same info already... if he -wasn't- briefed himself, it's only as his staff know he gets enraged when anyone mentions Russia interference (as reported often) ---- "Trump has always been unable to separate Russia interference from collusion" if anyone forgot, trust me, Trump continuously was unable to separate it... review any time he referenced Russia in 2016-2018... find him being upset at Russian interference (good luck) the inability to understand this simple concept has spread to all his loyalists... there is NO REASON to dismiss the Mueller report as a waste of time, even if you love the TOTALLY OBVIOUS FRAUD & TRAITOR
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 22 14:35:44 "Is it really a stretch to call the national intelligence agencies a part of the Democratic Party at this point? " yes, extremely so... Comey=Republican, McCabe=Republican (not that there any more)... suit-wearing lawmen lean Republican Trump's been there over 3 years, exactly when do we get to trust the intel agencies again? also... see how you think they are fully corrupt... i'm sure Russia hates that... =================== "And you're now denying that the Obama administration spied on the presidential campaign of the primary opposition party? I thought we had agreed that that much had happened at least." nope, that is not a commonly accepted notion... for starters, mentioning Obama is stupid as if he was involved (though i'm sure you think so, Trump claims it anyway) certain people were investigated by FBI: Flynn, Manafort, Papadopolous, Carter Page, all w/ cause (Carter Page the only FISA recipient... and after he left campaign)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 22 14:41:41 here's a challenge i put in prior thread... feel free to take it on: the team-Trump/(Fox News) premise is there was no reason to open the Russia investigation, all a hoax to go after Trump, so supposedly this is what the FBI did: 1) decided to remove Trump via a Russia collusion investigation, even though nothing suggesting it occurred (via premise) 2) corruptly obtain a surveillance warrant on a total nobody (Page) in campaign w/ no expectation of it yielding anything (via premise) 3) ??? 4) Trump is removed from office for collusion ** fill in step 3)... (and what went wrong)
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 22 14:43:49 Tw, So I'm going to repeat the post as it was not addressed and I'm being 100% sincere here as this seems to be a legitimate question. Wouldn't it make sense that such suspicion of a candidate would hurt that candidates chances, especially among independents? I would argue it may* have more of a negative impact against Trump and here is my reasoning. 1. Most evidence has shown that ads/ money spent have little impact on elections past getting the candidate known. Smaller races where the candidates are less known they would have more impact. 2. I find it suspicious that these were so easily linked to Russia when the same agencies had no idea about Russia invading and conquering chunks of Europe but they found out easily about election interference with ease as if they wanted to get "caught". Not to mention the timing is JUST prior to Nevada considering Bernies lead in the polls. Now we KNOW without question the DNC/Hillary Clinton have conspired to secretly sabatoge Bernie before. How do we know this? They admitted it without dispute "we do not owe anyone an unbias primary election"
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 22 14:48:28 Tw, "also... see how you think they are fully corrupt... i'm sure Russia hates that..." Well, they didnt have to do much in that regard. Remember 2014 when then CIA head was accused by Diane Feinstien of hacking Senate computers? He responded "absolutely not, we wouldn't do that" Then shortly after apologized for doing just that.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 22 15:00:17 "Wouldn't it make sense that such suspicion of a candidate would hurt that candidates chances, especially among independents?" your premise is Russia is purposely revealing it... i don't accept this plus, i don't think Russia genuinely supports Bernie so i'm not prepared to game out all the pluses & minuses of it being revealed as for being revealed just before Nevada... is there a point where it couldn't be claimed as suspicious? what if it was just ahead of Super Tuesday instead? i don't know the timing, i don't know when intel made the determination, i don't know when Bernie told... i see no reason to assume it's deliberate sabotage however but it's DEFINITELY WRONG what Trump is doing (as usual)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 22 15:03:04 also on topic of our MORON TRAITOR 'president' & detecting Russian interference... recall Trump's plan when Mueller charged a bunch of Russians... Trump thought Putin's idea of having Russian investigators come in and look at all the evidence & how we got it was a fantastic idea add that to the list of why they DEFINITELY support the MORON TRAITOR in 2020
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 22 15:13:15 "your premise is Russia is purposely revealing it... i don't accept this" What evidence do we have that they put effort in concealing it? "plus, i don't think Russia genuinely supports Bernie" Fine, but thats adding your own speculation. " as for being revealed just before Nevada... is there a point where it couldn't be claimed as suspicious? what if it was just ahead of Super Tuesday instead?" I suppose, but why sit on it for a month? " I see no reason to assume it's deliberate sabotage however" Well, there is precedent of democratic elites/DNC of admitting to sabotaging him in 2016 which you never seem to respond to and just overlook. At thr Very least*** the dnc is as corrupt as Trump ( if not.much morr so)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 22 15:28:45 yes, various members of the DNC worked to screw Bernie in 2016... however, it's not a DNC rumor that Russia helping Bernie... nor originating from Schiff... as the LYING TRAITOR claims... my issue is w/ the LYING TRAITOR Trump is trying very hard to convince Bernie's people the DNC is trying to screw him again & is using this Russia reveal to fuel that notion as he's total garbage... so there -are- pluses to it being revealed you don't need Bernie people to win the nomination, just making them feel cheated is the goal of Trump (& perhaps Russia, i'm not going to pretend i know all of Russia's plotting), but it's quite crystal clear why they fucking LOVE Trump & would want him to continue his wrecking ball to the nation
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 22 16:27:42 back to a more traditional post: "Trump made 56 false claims last week, including debunked New Hampshire conspiracy theory": http://www...new-hampshire-rally/index.html articles like that wouldn't exist with ANY other president...
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 22 16:42:59 http://www...-russian-interference-in-2020/ So again I'd say always be skeptical with these people but the head of the National intelligence Committee says that thete is no intelligence behind these claims of 2020 russian interference.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 22 17:12:53 that's Trump's adviser, if he says something Trump doesn't approve of, he's fired... all people orbiting Trump are untrustworthy (Mulvaney, Pompeo, Barr, Kellyanne, evil Bilbo, all piece of shit press secretaries) plus he's saying he only has second-hand info from the R's on the committee (which includes such shitbags as Nunes)... so basically a bunch of worthless words Bernie said he was briefed & saw some of the posts Russia making... so... sounds real to me (also, common sense says Russia wants Trump & common sense says they would meddle... why wouldn't they...)
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 22 17:17:43 So you pick and choose what officials you listen to... The ones who support your narrative...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 22 17:44:41 the odds of a Trump loyalist lying is high... it's just fact if you want to trust what he learned from Nunes or whomever you can also, what's your argument against common sense... why wouldn't Russia meddle? Trump will cover for them, so it's an even more ideal scenario than ever before
McKobb Member	Sat Feb 22 17:47:49 Russia is meddling. #Putin can suck his father like he dies every morning
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 22 17:51:04 that guy (O'Brien) did an interview saying Trump would never collude w/ Russia & Trump is clearly against other countries interfering the Trump Jr meeting was definitely attempted collusion, only failing as info provided not useful enough (& Trump knew about it... announced a speech about it)... plus Trump DID want Russia to find Hillary's emails, that wasn't a joke (it makes no sense as a joke & no indication whatsoever it was a joke when he said it) plus he openly said he's fine getting info from other countries... plus asked Ukraine (and China) to investigate Biden (also, NOT jokingly) this idea that he's against foreign interference is ridiculous... see him never having a problem w/ Russia doing it, except occasionally when reading his supposed displeasure off a piece of paper after he goes a bit too far in his treason
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 22 18:01:45 Tw, He probably is a hack. My point is so are the others. Odds are they are doing the same thing theu did last time sewing discord. Like you said about Bernie voters all it takes is the hunt of conspiracy. Same goes for Trumpers and never Trumpers. You admit you expect Trump/his aides to lie so even a hint without proof and you are likely to believe it. Much like Trump supporter/s with the DNC and its supporters.They all have shady actions so the likleyhood to not believe them is normal. My point is your hypocrisy to accept Trumps corruptness and not Hillary/schiff/ the DNC.
Habebe Member	Sat Feb 22 18:01:47 Tw, He probably is a hack. My point is so are the others. Odds are they are doing the same thing theu did last time sewing discord. Like you said about Bernie voters all it takes is the hunt of conspiracy. Same goes for Trumpers and never Trumpers. You admit you expect Trump/his aides to lie so even a hint without proof and you are likely to believe it. Much like Trump supporter/s with the DNC and its supporters.They all have shady actions so the likleyhood to not believe them is normal. My point is your hypocrisy to accept Trumps corruptness and not Hillary/schiff/ the DNC.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 22 18:24:07 discord wasn't their only goal last time, it was to help Trump discord won't be their only goal this time, it will be to help Trump i'm not concerned about Hillary as she's a hiker in the woods, i'm not concerned about Schiff he is just being falsely smeared (if even half the shit he's been accused of had actual evidence, he'd be charged by now), i'm not terribly concerned about DNC but they theoretically could sabotage Bernie again (but i CAN guarantee Trump will hype it way more than is occurring & requiring NO evidence at all, as usual) Trump is god-awful disgusting shit, my only concern is his removal there is no Dem candidate who would be worse, there is no human i can think of who would be worse... i used to think maybe i would prefer Trump to Martin Shkreli (the only person i could think of who might be worse), but that's no longer true... he might be corrupt scum, but doubtful he'd sabotage all our institutions for his own benefit
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