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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 22 18:36:27
this deserves a repost... (actually should be every day, until the unfit lying traitor gone, but i'll try to resist :p)

Helsinki:
"
REPORTER (Jonathan Lemire from AP): Thank you. A question for each president. President Trump, you first. Just now President Putin denied having anything to do with the election interference in 2016. Every US intelligence agency has concluded that Russia did.

My first question for you, sir, is who do you believe? My second question is would you now with the whole world watching tell President Putin — would you denounce what happened in 2016 and would you warn him to never do it again?

TRUMP: So let me just say that we have two thoughts. You have groups that are wondering why the FBI never took the server. Why haven’t they taken the server? Why was the FBI told to leave the office of the democratic national committee? I’ve been wondering that. I’ve been asking that for months and months and I’ve been tweeting it out and calling it out on social media. Where is the server? I want to know, where is the server and what is the server saying? With that being said, all I can do is ask the question. My people came to me, Dan Coats came to me and some others and said they think it’s Russia.

I have President Putin. He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this. I don’t see any reason why it would be, but I really do want to see the server. But I have confidence in both parties. I really believe that this will probably go on for a while, but I don’t think it can go on without finding out what happened to the server. What happened to the servers of the Pakistani gentleman that worked on the DNC? Where are those servers? They’re missing. Where are they? What happened to Hillary Clinton’s emails? 33,000 emails gone — just gone. I think in Russia they wouldn’t be gone so easily. I think it’s a disgrace that we can’t get Hillary Clinton’s 33,000 emails. So I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that president Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. And what he did is an incredible offer. He offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators, with respect to the 12 people. I think that’s an incredible offer. Okay thank you.
"


changing a "would" to "wouldn't" doesn't fix that answer... (plus he repeatedly had said he didn't see why Russia would've supported him during his ~2 year campaign siding w/ Russia over intel agencies so an OBVIOUS lie)...

plus that answer includes his 'incredible offer' moment

no other President would've given that gift answer to Putin or anything close to it, YES, Russia prefers Trump, for that and SOOO much else
Habebe
Member
Sat Feb 22 21:56:04
Going back to the last thread. Bloomberg or Hillary would be worse than Trump even if everything he is accused of was true.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 22 22:12:03
Trump will continue hollowing out the intel community to put in his unqualified loyalists, same for DOJ, then to military next

all while reducing the number of people who monitor his activities... he's already cut that substantially, plus canceled the practice of letting Americans know who he's calling & what he's talking about (plus obviously no more press briefings)

and will continue his assault on media & grooming Fox News

and those like Rugian will cheer it on

no one is worse than Trump
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Feb 24 14:14:20

how are the critical investigations of Ukraine interference & the Bidens going?

jergul
large member
Mon Feb 24 15:25:03
Poop cast@Federal Reserve yet?
Habebe
Member
Mon Feb 24 16:09:14
Jergul, I googled something about Norway sometime ago ( something we were posting about) and now in my news feed i get like 1 article a day about Norway...

No real point just saying...bored rainy day.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Feb 24 17:28:20
...
During his infamous news conference, Mr. Jackson said his goal was to help Mr. Trump lose 10 to 15 pounds and that he planned to bring an exercise bike or elliptical machine into the White House residence.

Mr. Jackson said those plans never came to pass. (Mr. Trump had gained four pounds by his following physical.) “The exercise stuff never took off as much as I wanted it to,” he said. “But we were working on his diet. We were making the ice cream less accessible, we were putting cauliflower into the mashed potatoes.”

http://www...ny-jackson-congress-texas.html

yet another handler who must treat Trump like a toddler... i still wonder if this is why so many give him a pass on his constant fucked up behavior (for some reason people don't expect any adult behavior)
Habebe
Member
Mon Feb 24 17:53:10
Trump does eat like a kid. Literally its a lot of fast food, pizza , steak with ketchup, and diet coke...this has been established long before he was POTUS.

It would be an interesting 30 days youtube show.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Feb 24 18:09:42
this isn't just about his eating (speaking, spelling, & behaving) like a child... it's how those around him end up treating him (you teach people how to treat you)

- "We were making the ice cream less accessible, we were putting cauliflower into the mashed potatoes.” <- not something you say about an adult

- Kellyanne had a quote (can't find it) about curbing Trump's angry Twitter ranting comparing to letting him have another cookie then putting them away

- briefers having to add pictures & sprinkle his name in to get him to pay attention

there are multiple examples out there... the 'man' is unfit
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Feb 25 10:49:20
Trump in India on maps of the ISIS caliphate in 2017: "In fact, they had it painted a certain color. I won't tell you what color because it doesn't matter. Somebody will say it was a Republican color, so I don't want to get people confused. But it happened to be red."

^something a child would say

& makes you wonder if -he- was confused by the red...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Feb 25 10:54:35
Asked about religious violence while he's been in India, and asked what Modi told him about his citizenship law, Trump said, "We did talk about religious freedom. And I will say the prime minister was incredible on what he told me. He wants people to have religious freedom."


he got thru debates with answers like that too... why don't people see the obvious...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Feb 25 16:02:20
Mitch McConnell on the Intelligence community:
"Our country is safer and stronger when they have the tools and the resources they need, and leadership that understands that political bias must have no quarter in intelligence work and that all Americans' rights need protecting."


about as direct as an R can be to moron Trump about appointing political stooges

when will even corrupt Mitch have had enough i wonder
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 27 12:37:24
the Ukraine scandal in comic book form:

http://www...t-graphic-feature-comic-2020-2
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Feb 27 22:39:08
"Congratulations and thank you to our great Vice President & all of the many professionals doing such a fine job at CDC & all other agencies on the Coronavirus situation. Only a very small number in U.S., & China numbers look to be going down. All countries working well together"
~ an obvious fraud

I guess Pence had a tremendous first day
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 28 00:58:52
Its the power of prayer TW.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 28 12:34:17
Pompeo unwilling to say the coronavirus is not a hoax:

http://twitter.com/Kokomothegreat/status/1233436061847687169

i think we found a test of whether Trump picks are total garbage... just see if they'll deny the alleged hoaxes against Trump
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 28 12:59:35
as background, people like Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham & Hannity have been saying the media is whipping up coronavirus fears to hurt Trump

which is stupid, as the media whips up fears of every disease that comes around
Habebe
Member
Fri Feb 28 14:00:25
Tw, While I agree the media sensationalized well, everything.

Id say less the media and more so in this case the dems and to a lesser degree the DNC media arm has been attacking Trump over this.
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 28 14:19:45
We should pray both that God steers Corona Tsar Pence's hand in effective ways and that the leftwing deepstate media stop these groundless attacks on the inspired choices the President makes.
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 28 14:24:59
You've been really leaning on the whole Pence being Christian thing these last two days. I wonder how long it would take me to find the media outlet that used the same line of attack.

Given that it's such a juvenile insult, I'm guessing it's a rag that caters to millenials like Vox or Vice. WaPo might also be a fit since they'll publish literally anything as long as its anti-Trump.

It's going to be interesting figuring out which news sit-...I mean, employed researchers shape jergul's view of America!
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 28 14:34:23
Ruggy
What other possible qualification does he have except a solid working relationship with God?

(c) jergul btw. Though no doubt someone else thought of the angle independently.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 28 14:38:29
the only reason Pence was picked as VP was his heavy christianness
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 28 15:20:55
jergul,

The qualification of loyalty. That's far more than Bolton/Cohen/Kelly/Tillerson/Romney/Cohen/Omarosa/the Mooch/Sessions/Yates/McKinley/Kent/Sondland/Vindman/Taylor/the whistleblower/Hill/Yovanovitch/Comey/Rosenstein/McCabe/Spencer/Mattis/Powell/Shulkin/McGahn/Coulter/Smith/Wallace/Cavuto/Bannon/Maguire/Coats/McCain/Flake/Amash/Ryan/Nielsen/McMaster/Weintraub/Fauci ever had. Far more than many ever have.

(also the qualification of being a convenient scapegoat if things go south. Not that Trump would ever do that, of course)

TW,

I think that being a Republican governor of a Midwest state with substantial ties to large party donors helped just a bit more than his faith.
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 28 15:22:49
Second Cohen should be Cohn. Damnit!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 28 16:32:16
A federal appeals court on Friday ruled that former White House counsel Donald McGahn does not have to comply with a subpoena seeking his testimony to the House Judiciary committee.

The 2-1 ruling by a panel of judges on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia said the Constitution bars federal courts from acting as a referee in “this kind” of “information” dispute between the executive branch and Congress.

...

The Justice Department had argued against the subpoena on behalf of McGahn.

In their ruling, the appeals judges said the department had argued that “Article III of the Constitution forbids federal courts from resolving this kind of interbranch information dispute.”

“We agree and dismiss this case,” the ruling said.

http://www...-have-to-testify-to-house.html

wtf?

they should've gone to court!!!

court: we can't get involved
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 28 16:33:13
end of oversight for the lawless dictator
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 28 16:37:14
a bunch of morons & frauds praying 'with' the President... who still is unaware of the custom of bowing one's head (yet the bible is his favorite book... by far)

http://pbs...WsAEAS_B?format=jpg&name=large
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 28 16:56:36
well, Trump has nominated Ratcliffe for DNI

this is the asshole who claimed Mueller should not have written Vol 2 if he wasn't going to charge Trump (even though it's clearly laid out Mueller could NOT charge Trump)

and the asshole further claimed this 'outrage' of noting Trump's criminal behavior w/o charging put Trump beneath the law rather than the obvious reverse of Trump being above the law

aside from him being a total asshole as proven beyond dispute above, an obvious attempt by Trump to install a political loyalist (again) as is completely undesired in the intel community

let's hope corrupt Mitch actually believes what he said earlier about NOT politicizing this position
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 28 18:07:48
"We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a a lot of, uh, lot of elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical. We are working on cures and we are getting some very good results."
~ a fraud w/ no clue (no words left out by me)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 28 21:59:33
Trump calling the coronavirus the new hoax (guess we know why Pompeo couldn't deny it)... & still lying that it's only 15 cases...
http://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1233547193895645184

but i'm sure kargen doesn't think Trump is expecting the morons in the audience to actually believe him... they all know it's his secret plan to troll the media (which then would be totally acceptable behavior)
Rugian
Member
Sat Feb 29 08:19:38
Are you seriously that dumb? Hes obviously not saying coronavirus itself is a hoax - if that was the case, he wouldnt have just spent the entirety of last week talking about it. The "hoax" is the characterization by Democrats of the president's response to the pandemic - a false narrative of the White House being totally incapable of handling the response.

I realize that you personally dont seem to be able to grasped either subtleties or sarcasm in language, but you really need to start trying to do a better job on that front.
Rugian
Member
Sat Feb 29 08:41:01
Democrats’ disgraceful dissembling only increases coronavirus threat

In a clear sign that they’re not truly worried about the COVID-19 threat, many Democrats are using it as another club to hit President Trump — facts be damned.

At Tuesday’s debate, Mike Bloomberg smugly asserted, “There’s nobody here to figure out what the hell we should be doing.” Trump, he claimed, has “defunded Centers for Disease Control, CDC, so we don’t have the organization we need.”

Joe Biden chimed in: “He cut the funding for the entire effort.”

It’s a lie that can only sow fear: The CDC budget is higher than when Trump took office. Same for the National Institutes of Health. And top career officials from both have been working with the White House for weeks to direct the US response.

Elizabeth Warren, meanwhile, insisted the administration “is absolutely bumbling the response to coronavirus” — with no details, because she can’t point to any Team Trump mistakes, unless she wants to complain about the COVID-19 travel bans.

“The administration has no plan to deal with the coronavirus,” Chuck Schumer thundered on the Senate floor. Not true.

As The Associated Press reports, “The public-health system has a playbook to follow for pandemic preparation — regardless of who’s president or whether specific instructions are coming from the White House. Those plans were put into place in anticipation of another flu pandemic, but are designed to work for any respiratory-borne disease.”

The AP also quotes John Auerbach, president of the nonpartisan Trust for America’s Health: “The CDC’s response has been excellent, as it has been in the past.” Auerbach also notes that CDC’s top scientific ranks have remained stable during the past three years.

The AP’s headline, by the way: “AP FACT CHECK: Democrats distort coronavirus readiness.”

Some Democrats don’t even want to hear the facts. Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.) disrupted a closed-door Friday meeting with officials from the CDC, NIH and State Department by launching into a tirade about the administration’s supposed failings. Several Republicans walked out. And Democratic Rep. Donna Shalala, a former US health secretary, told Politico, “No one wanted to hear that, either the Democrats or Republicans. We just wanted to hear the substance.”

Quit playing politics, folks. Spreading false information can only undermine the nation’s efforts to face a potential pandemic. It’s beyond shameful.

http://nyp...-increases-coronavirus-threat/

For anyone not suffering from TDS, it was clear this was what Trump was talking about.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 29 12:15:16
he is including the media, and him lying about 15 cases is proof he is the one being the dick

plus explain Pompeo unwilling to say it's not a hoax (a very simple answer to give)

Trump was lying in his initial presser too about the 15 cases, as the case in California was known at the time (and sounding like an idiot in general as always)

plus he brought up flu deaths, to suggest this is nothing... just like he brings up Katrina deaths when there's a hurricane

it's clear his goal is just to fraud salesman skills to convince everyone that he's doing an awesome job (as is his goal on everything)... this virus could have a 50% fatality rate & he'd be saying the EXACT same shit

it's just like how he downplays North Korea missile tests... he will never admit his love affair w/ Kim isn't working
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 29 12:22:00
“The reason you’re seeing so much attention to [the coronavirus] today is that they think this is going to be what brings down the president. That’s what this is all about.”
~ Mulvaney

plus Ingraham, Rush, Hannity, plus whomever else

all smearing the media again, whipping up hatred & division in Trump cultists, when the media ALWAYS does this
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 29 12:30:31
also is similar to how he couldn't separate Russia interference from collusion & was always calling it all a hoax

he certainly was NEVER making it clear he only meant the collusion part... (and he -didn't- mean that, even though i'm sure his defenders claimed so on that too... he has been trying to prove Russia innocent to this day, as we saw w/ Ukraine)

he's doing another press event today, we'll see if his interests are honesty or himself (if he's not reading a teleprompter it will be the latter, as -always-)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 29 13:04:44
i got distracted by a dog video, but seemed to be his typical cheerleading of his efforts

there really is no point in ever having him speak about any topic
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 29 14:59:50
@CPAC:
Trump says he hates to say this to Republicans, but when he took office, there were maps of the ISIS caliphate, and there was lots of red on them, and "red meant ISIS." He says he then changed the color of ISIS on the maps so it wouldn't be the Republican color.


he didn't say it in a joking manner... this mentally-ill moron may have actually had them change the color from red (although given he lies constantly hard to be sure)

it's about 10 mins in from the start:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVV4424Sxj8
Habebe
Member
Sat Feb 29 15:08:35
In GWBs first run Republicans were blue states and Democrats red. It was switched by his 2nd run. Presumably to not have people associate the left with the reds/Commies. Just my guess.
Habebe
Member
Sat Feb 29 15:10:35
This thread sucks btw. Too long of a post.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 29 15:27:57
if you mean stretchy, it's Rugians list of people who dared criticize the idiot king (Fri Feb 28 15:20:55)

Firefox seems to cancel stretchiness


in any case, red is the enemy color... hard to imagine anyone so retarded as to be confused by it (& even moreso to insist it be changed... if he did... he casually lies on all topics so who knows)
jergul
large member
Sat Feb 29 15:58:28
I don't see the stretchy due to firefoxe's liberal bias. I fear I am still under too much fire to correct it :-). Kargen, are you feeling brave?
TJ
Member
Sat Feb 29 16:39:20
heheh
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Mar 01 01:42:01
"
I would find it hard to believe that failed presidential candidates Tom Steyer, or Mini Mike Bloombeg, would contribute to the Democrat Party, even against me, after the way they have been treated - laughed at & mocked. The real politicians ate them up and spit them out!
"
~ the President of the United States... at half past midnight
jergul
large member
Sun Mar 01 15:50:07
"People are disgusted and embarrassed by the Fake News Media, as headed by the @nytimes
, @washingtonpost
, @comcast
& MSDNC, @ABC
, @CBSNews
and more. They no longer believe what they see and read, and for good reason. Fake News is, indeed, THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!"

My God. What is he doing?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Mar 01 16:49:17
destroying the nation daily
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Mar 02 17:55:22
dumb guy struggling to understand why vaccine won't be out quicker
http://twitter.com/owillis/status/1234599053725491200

i've seen Trump in a briefing where they clearly explain development, testing, etc... & he's probably been told many more times privately, yet he still can't grasp it
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Mar 02 17:57:32
dumb guy asking if a 'solid' flu vaccine would work
http://twitter.com/owillis/status/1234607697540063234

you'd think he'd have had some explanation of this by now... perhaps he has, perhaps dozens of times... not enough pictures or mentions of his name, i guess
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Mar 02 21:21:05
Trump has been telling his rally morons that Mexico is paying for the wall (to cheers, of course.. and with no explanation, of course)

I imagine if cornered he would go to his claim that if NAFTA 2.0 improves things then that counts as them paying for it (which is nonsense)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Mar 02 22:20:06
dumb guy thinks you can instantly tell if medication will be effective
http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1234615717162618882
woman on left starts laughing at his question... she better watch herself


i am certain Trump has heard about these trials & the time involved... he was standing right behind a guy who talked about it...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Mar 03 13:13:09
Pence's office put this out (not sure a complete list):

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESJqaJPVAAEX3DN?format=jpg

for non-clickers, it's a press release titled "Praise for the President's Coronavirus Response" w/ "Top Tweets" then a list of R shills praising Trump on twitter (which various crazy people don't think counts as communication)


anyway, the dictatorship-creep continues
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Mar 03 23:21:50
the President of the United States' current pinned tweet is a video of Mike Bloomberg licking his fingers
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Mar 04 16:32:07
lying toady Pence just opened up today's virus briefing saying Trump has no higher priority... yeah, so clear by looking at all his tweets (they are focused on Dem primary people, w/ his typical childish attcks... plus a shot at Jeff Sessions)

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Mar 04 18:08:52
"The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we're doing & we undid that decision a few days ago so that testing can take place in a much more accurate & rapid fashion"
~fraud

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1235243899674939392

sounds like this is TOTAL BULLSHIT... reporters found some proposal that never happened as closest thing he could be talking about

if this is indeed total bullshit it would be fucking crazy for ANYONE to find Trump making this claim (or his 1,000s of other made-up lies) acceptable

unfit.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Mar 04 23:06:31
'
On Fox News tonight with Sean Hannity, Donald Trump criticized Fox News for inviting on guests who "say very, very false things, and people don't challenge them."
'

(i'll assume Hannity didn't challenge him)


in any case, finally i agree w/ something Trump has said
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Mar 04 23:12:12
so Sen. Chuck Schumer, at a rally about abortion case being heard by supreme court, said:
"I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have unleashed a whirlwind, and you will pay the price. You won't know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions."

so various adults have said that language is bad & threatening & shouldn't be said, which is fine (including by people on CNN, in case Fox types pretend otherwise, as they usually do)


enter the hypocrite drama queen:
"
This is a direct & dangerous threat to the U.S. Supreme Court by Schumer. If a Republican did this, he or she would be arrested, or impeached. Serious action MUST be taken NOW!
"
"
There can be few things worse in a civilized, law abiding nation, than a United States Senator openly, and for all to see and hear, threatening the Supreme Court or its Justices. This is what Chuck Schumer just did. He must pay a severe price for this!
"

...from the guy who has attacked every judge who has ruled against him
Habebe
Member
Wed Mar 04 23:15:55
In all fairness, democrats acted appalled that Trump would attack a judges ruling.

Both sides pull the same shit and get fake offended when the opposition does it.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Mar 04 23:22:27
i don't recall anyone calling for his arrest over judge attacks... also he's self-proclaimed top law-enforcement officer of the country, so maybe don't constantly call things illegal & want arrests of opponents...

why does anyone at all tolerate his behavior... a mystery for the ages

=================

Trump has nominated Nancy Beck to lead the Consumer Product Safety Commission, an independent federal agency charged with protecting the public against dangers like toxic substances in products

Nancy Beck is a former chemical industry executive who pushed to relax rules on toxic chemicals at the Environmental Protection Agency

sounds like a wonderful pick
Habebe
Member
Wed Mar 04 23:25:52
I can't do this stretchy shit, hold on.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Mar 04 23:28:36
use Firefox if able :p

if any mods wander in here, feel free to delete the [Fri Feb 28 15:20:55] Rugian post, the thread integrity will survive
jergul
large member
Thu Mar 05 00:22:45
I do not feel free to do that :D.
TJ
Member
Tue Mar 10 11:36:29
TW, you are in charge of your own thread integrity.
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 10 11:38:42
rofl. threads as an extension of self. Good one TJ!

:)
Rugian
Member
Tue Mar 10 12:00:00
Meh, I'm using firefox and it looks fine...delete it though if you want.
TJ
Member
Tue Mar 10 15:25:44
If TW gets 13 additional posts from others and maintains his/her average of 60% this thread will be full. Get busy TW, you need to make 23 more posts. :D
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Mar 10 16:33:47
we've basically migrated to
"Official BS by potus #28.2"

it has tremendous ratings, many people are talking about it
TJ
Member
Tue Mar 10 16:53:23
Yes, I'm aware, but it doesn't accomplish your request of wandering mod's, which was unnecessary, to save your chain of integrity.

"It has tremendous ratings" Habebe stealing your thunder. Hilarious...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Mar 10 17:06:45
there could be millions of fans of these threads who are not using Firefox, so as stretchy for some, i'm fine abandoning it

or we can fill it up w/ this discussion
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 10 17:09:11
I am sure this thread has awesome ratings.
TJ
Member
Tue Mar 10 17:11:30
Abandon it is then.
TJ
Member
Tue Mar 10 17:14:40
lol @ jergul

"I am sure this thread has awesome ratings."
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Mar 10 17:15:27
these threads do way better than pro-Trump threads... but that’s what you get when you treat “Trump” fairly!


yes, abandoning is fine
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 10 17:16:43
Who fucked it up this time? Its stretchy again.
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 10 17:18:12
Nm, wrong thread.
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