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Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 28 09:40:53
Fuck.
sam adams
Member
Fri Feb 28 10:03:01
Fucking china.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Feb 28 10:06:39
Will this be a wake up call and China will ban those disgusting medieval markets?
Turtle Crawler
Admin
Fri Feb 28 10:38:50
They've already abandoned the idea that it came from the market. Everyone assumes it came from their weapons lab now.
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 28 10:43:59
The Chinese government is known for two things: being cartoonishly evil and having the ability to plan long-term.

What are the odds that they intentionally released coronavirus to sabotage Trump's reelection efforts?
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 28 10:51:15
Doing something to defeat Trump is not a long term plan. He would only get another four years.

Now, showcasing the inherent superiority of an authoritarian and controlling unitary state is a different matter.

That effect could spill-over for generations.

So 100% chance, definitely.
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 28 10:52:48
Jergul

I'd hardly call the PRC's response to the pandemic a beacon of competence and effectiveness.
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 28 10:56:53
Let it play out. What will it look like when 1% of Chinas population have been infected and 20% of the US population?

That's when a "miraculous" vaccine will emerge in China.
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 28 10:58:30
For all we know, China may already be deploying the vaccine secretely to control cluster outbreaks.
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 28 11:05:34
Its looking like investors are going to try to hold over the weekend. Monday will be a massacre. Tuesday will see a rebound unless news is overwhelmingly bad that day.
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 28 11:07:00
Jergul,

You seem to be under the impression that quarantines, telecommuting and tele schooling are unknown to the Western world.

As for China. If anything, its authoritarian system has impeded dealing with the crisis. How smart was it to censor people who were trying to spread word of the virus in its early stages for example?

The transparency that is present in Western democracies helps significantly with accountability. Something the PRC utterly lacks.
Dukhat
Member
Fri Feb 28 11:15:44
Like clockwork. Every cuckservative repeats the tom cotton cuckoo conspiracy theory. Fuck you guys are unbelievably stupid.
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 28 11:24:31
Ruggy
There is a video of someone with the virus simply walking out of the consulting room, through the waiting room and back out on the street.

Transparency? You have only tested 600 people. 10% of them are infected.

I think you should pray on this before commenting further. Its what your corona tsar would like you to do.
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 28 11:27:51
Anyway, its not what we think, its what China thinks. I am sure they think the decadent west will fail to enactly sufficiently harsh measures.

Besides, the deck is stacked. China can just stealth use its vaccine to control the outbreak. All it needed to do initially is to ensure it spread properely and deniably out of country.

It only cost a few thousand dead. Totally worth it.
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 28 11:32:00
China incidentally has a national stockbuying team that has surged into action to take advantage of artificially low stock evaluations.

You cannot have communism without state ownership after all.
The Children
Member
Fri Feb 28 11:42:30
the virus was probably created by usa. u fucks r pure evil.
released it near our lab 2 place the blame on us.

but it backfired cos china too strong and ur too weak.

now its all over the world within weeks.

Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 28 11:48:58
jergul,

You seem to be making the argument that authoritarianism implies professional competency. Even a Sovietphile like yourself can't truly believe that.

In reality, the Chinese government is deeply incompetent at many levels. Do you need me to provide examples, or is that such a self-evident fact that we can agree to move on?

As I am the only person in this thread that seems to actually have faith in Western liberal democracy, I am confident that we can respond effectively to the challenge. I am sorry that you feel otherwise.
jergul
large member
Fri Feb 28 11:53:21
I am making the argument that the Chinese Government thinks authoritarianism implies professional competence.

We know that is untrue. We have already caught their dastardly plan of secretely releasing a manufactured virus to showcase their superiority. They have been foiled!

What would the world do without this forum and conservative pundits, eh?

I am sure we can respond effectively. Not as effectively as China, but I am sure you will devise a metric where we win somehow anyway.
CrownRoyal
Member
Fri Feb 28 11:59:37
"What are the odds that they intentionally released coronavirus to sabotage Trump's reelection efforts?"

Dont be ridiculous, whats next, are you going to claim that russia sabotaged hillary's campaign? If Bernie says, at his next rally, "China, if you are listening, realease more viruses!", then we can speculate about sabotage, maybe.
CrownRoyal
Member
Fri Feb 28 11:59:59
http://www...rona-beer-marketing/index.html


Real culprit found, finally
Dukhat
Member
Fri Feb 28 12:56:13
Think about it. China infected itself first. That’s exactly what they’d do to hide the fact they created the disease. And then shutting down their own factories to drag the world into a recession. They truly are devious.
Paramount
Member
Fri Feb 28 12:58:52
”By way of deception, thou shalt do war” – Mossad
The Children
Member
Fri Feb 28 13:24:38
we lie, we cheat, we steal
- the american

jergul
large member
Sun Mar 01 02:37:06
Chinese PMI (manufacturing levels) is down way below expectations. You know, the stuff China manufactures on behalf of the rest of the world.

Corona has clearly broken out in the US.

Yah, stocks will be down on Monday. Latest Dow futures data is from before both these stories broke.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Mar 01 04:21:47
On the bright side! The notorious Chinese pollution has cleared.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51691967
sam adams
Member
Sun Mar 01 10:14:06
This is the first time in a decade where beijing can see the sun for more than a few days in a row.
jergul
large member
Sun Mar 01 23:15:32
It looks like the #Trumpslump (what a lot of people are calling the stock market contraction) will get a slight reprieve on Monday. Go figure. But the center cannot hold. There will be more.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Mar 02 00:18:10
I wouldn't oversell what has so far only been a correction. There is still a chance the Coranovirus clears up by summer. Similar things happened with MERS and SARS. Containment and a lack of growth in cases would stabilize the economy.
jergul
large member
Mon Mar 02 01:31:52
I figure on a 20-25% reduction from highs. That is technically a contraction, but I would still consider it a correction given the fast speed of growth these last three years (easy come, easy go).

Clear skies over China. There is going to be a supply side hit no matter what as inventories are emptied.
jergul
large member
Mon Mar 02 01:33:03
(the post above last was me referencing a SNL sketch)
chuck
Member
Mon Mar 02 09:07:16
Turtle Crawler
Admin Fri Feb 28 10:38:50
They've already abandoned the idea that it came from the market. Everyone^[citation needed] assumes it came from their weapons lab now.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Tue Mar 03 10:25:54
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESMkeCxWoAA-Axw.png:large
Daemon
Member
Tue Mar 03 10:36:43
http://mar...-coronavirus-2020-3-1028954803
[...]
Nouriel Roubini, the economist nicknamed "Dr. Doom" for his pessimistic predictions, told Der Spiegel on Thursday that he expected stocks to plummet this year, President Donald Trump to lose the election, and the novel coronavirus to have a bigger effect on the global economy than many investors anticipate.

"I expect global equities to tank by 30% to 40% this year," Roubini, a professor at New York University's Stern School of Business, told the German newspaper.
[...]
"The Democratic field is poor, but Trump is dead," Roubini added.
[...]
Dukhat
Member
Tue Mar 03 10:54:33
Unprecedented .5% rate cut by Fed. Powell going all-in to try and save Trump. Barely any effect. Monetary policy is gassed from trying to delay the next recession so Trump gets re-elected. Fucking idiot kleptocrats. Fuck all the GOP and their moron supporters.
Dukhat
Member
Tue Mar 03 11:25:05
"The markets are completely delusional," Roubini told Der Spiegel. He said that if the coronavirus were to cause China's economy to shrink by 2% in the first quarter and grow by only 6% in each of the next three quarters, the slowdown "would essentially mean a recession for China and a shock to the world."

***

As I said Jergul. You have to judge China on a curve.
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 03 12:48:49
To add to Dukhats point, there is good evidence that China has been fudging numbers for years by over 1%.
Habebe
Member
Tue Mar 03 12:50:37
http://nat...onomy-smaller-you-think-127042
The Children
Member
Tue Mar 03 13:15:27
chinese numbers are 2000% more accurate than any yankee numbers

only a delusional yankee wuld claim that china numbers are always wrong or inaccurate.

what proof do u even have, u delusional little kid. lmao.

thats only what u idiots keep tellin and sayin 2 urself over and over and over again.

why the f wuld china lie about any numbers. just how dumb are u peoples.
Dukhat
Member
Sun Mar 08 23:58:18
Markets are pricing in a recession now instead of just a rate cut.

It's over.
Rugian
Member
Mon Mar 09 08:41:53
NYSE put hold on trading. S&P down 7%.
sam adams
Member
Mon Mar 09 08:43:33
Fucking china!
jergul
large member
Mon Mar 09 08:45:42
Was just going to post that. The next automatic stop is at 20% (so 13 deeper in the hole). Then the market closes for the day.

The next 7 minutes should be funny (the stop is for 15 minutes to give traders time to develop social responsibility).

Just wow.
jergul
large member
Mon Mar 09 08:46:12
12.5 by...

Dukhat
Member
Mon Mar 09 10:37:53
The rest of the world is going down too Jergul. And the US is best situated to bounce back from this anyways out of all the major economies.
jergul
large member
Mon Mar 09 10:41:31
China is best situated to bounce back. It is on its way out of the first wave of the corona pandemic.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Mar 09 10:45:57
It got hurt really bad in the first wave though. It let it spread too long for a month.

Then again ... so did the US. And the US has yet to do anything meaningful to slow the spread either.

So we'll see.
jergul
large member
Mon Mar 09 10:58:42
Hurt more by its willingness to stop the epidemic than from the epidemic itself. 80 000 people off work and a few thousand dead would in itself not even register.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Mar 09 11:05:31
Are you sure about that Jergul? Even with their drastic containment measures, their hospitals were swamped for weeks and many people died on the streets. They already had a few thousand dead with those measures so I don't know why you believe that the casualties would've been exactly the same.
jergul
large member
Mon Mar 09 11:20:42
Not what I was saying. China obviously thought an uncontrolled epidemic would cause a lot more damage over the longer term than harsh measures to nip it in the bud.

But nipping has a hefty price. Far more heavy a price than the actual number of sick and dead.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Mar 09 13:37:26
I’m pretty sure that’s not true. Scared people’ shop or work. Nor do sick people. Tens of thousands of infected swamped their medical system and infrastructure. We will be talking past each other until someone provides numbers anyways but I’m pretty sure, “letting everyone get infected” wasn’t a good idea. Just look at Iran and Italy.
jergul
large member
Mon Mar 09 13:48:51
I am not saying its a good idea. China probably made the right call. But the actual number of sick and dead is not enough to have a significant economic impact on its own.

The measures to protect everyone else is what hurt China's economy.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Mar 11 14:11:34
goin' down, down, down, down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fdZWbIsrFk

now at Oct 2017 levels
jergul
large member
Wed Mar 11 15:05:23
Too bad its too fast for individual threads breaks 24k, breaks 23k etc.

What should be worrying is that it is going down faster than other large markets.
Habebe
Member
Wed Mar 11 15:17:41
I wonder what the unemployment rate will be in a month.
patom
Member
Wed Mar 11 15:29:54
23,549 at 4:00 PM today. Wish I had a ton of cash to buy into the market when it finally hits its low.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Mar 11 15:34:36
it'll probably go up tomorrow

Trump is planning an oval office speech tonight... normally him speaking is bad, but presumably he'll be on teleprompter, so people will for some reason be encouraged by it

that's the usual pattern... teleprompter Trump is encouraging, real Trump is panic-inducing
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Mar 11 20:56:32
I withdraw my guess... teleprompter Trump was serious... but he also banned travel from Europe...
Dukhat
Member
Wed Mar 11 21:45:52
Worthless policies. A tax cut to deal with a pandemic. Horrible.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Mar 11 22:59:29
i'm glad he wasn't himself but i wonder if grim teleprompter Trump contrasted too much w/ real Trump's 'meh, the flu's worse' attitude & will cause more panic :p

plus he was wrong about a lot of things for some reason... supposedly Jared (the devil) & Stephen Miller (klansman) were writers

maybe try some qualified people in the future
Habebe
Member
Wed Mar 11 23:38:45
Well, we agree the devil is a Jew.
jergul
large member
Thu Mar 12 00:14:52
Is it timely to remind people that the US does not have a Democratic candidate who was running a surplus budget because the economy was doing fine?

The Federal deficit was 1.15 trillion last year. So before a pending slowdown and all kinds of extra spending that is coming now.

What do you think? A 2 trillion dollar deficit this year? Or is that number too low?
Dukhat
Member
Thu Mar 12 00:33:43
Democrats are not going to spend trillion in pointless tax cuts to save Trump from his own mistakes.

We'll get paid sick leave and a bunch of ways to slow the pandemic and few if any tax cuts.

And they'll want to save their fire for Biden to pass something when he becomes president anyways.
jergul
large member
Thu Mar 12 01:19:49
I had initially planned on buying stocks again when the correction passes 25%, but Trump is an idiot.

My new target is DOW = 19750. I may end up not buying at all, but I really want to avoid overthinking stuff once I have made a decision.

Don't worry though, I will not raise to be your new overlord. I am not playing around with much money (relatively speaking). Property is generally the best investment for normal people in Norway, so stock stuff is mostly just for fun.
jergul
large member
Thu Mar 12 01:20:41
rise*
Dukhat
Member
Thu Mar 12 04:23:32
I agree. We're in the range of 30-40% correction now instead of 20-30%. Trump will wait until it's too late to change our policies for the better and it will make things look very bad. We should be building makeshift hospitals and preparing medical airlift capacity right now. But we won't because Trump is a fucking idiot.
The Children
Member
Thu Mar 12 14:45:37
WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP OF UR PLAN.

TO CRASH THIS PLANE WITH NO SURVIVORS!!!
Turtle Crawler
Admin
Thu Mar 12 18:31:16
I'm planning to put 10k in tomorrow if the market is still favorable.
Shammom
Member
Thu Mar 12 18:35:12
Gold price up in the sky, I will be so rich!
jergul
large member
Thu Mar 12 18:36:46
Its the patriotic thing to do.
CrownRoyal
Member
Thu Mar 12 18:39:36
The most expensive speech in history. Maga, amigos

-----
Markets responded violentlyon Thursday to Donald Trump’s ban on European’s travelling to the US, announced the previous night in a White House address intended to calm anxiety over the pandemic.

“This was the most expensive speech in history,” said Luca Paolini, chief strategist at Pictet Asset Management. “Investors are voting with their feet, and I can’t blame them.” 

http://www...54-646d-11ea-b3f3-fe4680ea68b5



Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Mar 12 18:41:24
Trump is in dire need of a little cocksucking from Rugian and his ilk about now.
jergul
large member
Thu Mar 12 18:43:54
Ruggy does like his mushrooms.
hood
Member
Thu Mar 12 18:44:56
Don't be mean to Toad. He did nothing to deserve that comparison.
Rugian
Member
Thu Mar 12 19:13:46
You stupid soyboy cucks will unquestionably accept whatever narrative the establishment feeds you. You should be grateful that people like me are around to occasionally show you that your ideological bubble is bullshit.
Rugian
Member
Thu Mar 12 19:15:54
Trump passes coronavirus test with flying colors

By Michael Goodwin

March 12, 2020

Big and bold, optimistic and compassionate. President Trump’s Oval Office address was exactly what America needed to hear.

This is what it looks like when a president rises up to meet a crisis head-on.

With fear and panic spreading across the land and threatening to take down the economy, Trump is facing the greatest test of his presidency. Although battle-hardened by brutal fights with Democrats, the biased media and foreign adversaries, he is presented with problems of a different magnitude with the coronavirus.

It is a global menace that has declared war on America. Truth be told, sometimes in recent weeks, the president has appeared to be a reluctant commander-in-chief.

Thankfully, as of Wednesday night, that reluctance is history, replaced by a president who left no doubt that he is all in on the battle against this deadly scourge. Now effectively a wartime president, Trump’s repeated assurances of victory were music to the ears of a rattled nation.

His willingness to change course and step up his game reflects an understanding that this is a critical moment both for the country and his presidency. “History has proven time and time again, Americans always rise to the challenge and overcome adversity,” he said at one point, as if to underscore that he accepts the seriousness of the stakes at hand.

The haters will never admit it, but Trump’s ability to meet the moment now is a reminder about why he was elected and how he has managed to guide the great American jobs machine to unprecedented heights. The only mystery is why supposedly intelligent people on the left refuse to acknowledge that millions of their fellow citizens are better off now than they were four years ago.

That issue will be decided in November, but for now, the entire country should be united in the campaign against this silent enemy. To that end, the speech succeeded because it included specific actions that would help halt the spread of the coronavirus and pledges of aid to individuals and companies that are suffering.

The travel ban from Europe for 30 days is certainly the strongest medicine, but the spread of the disease there, especially in Italy, is a warning about what could happen here. It would be irresponsible to take the chance, so shutting the doors is prudent.

Remember, Trump was right in January to stop most Chinese nationals from entering the US, a fact that many of his critics still can’t accept. They are still wrong.

The president also had to play comforter-in-chief, and he did that by outlining small-business loans and other measures, some of which were vague and need to be worked out in the coming days. And he didn’t skip the practical details, reminding people to wash their hands. That may be a first for an Oval Office speech.

But the most important challenge was giving the American people confidence in his leadership and demonstrating his determination to lead the nation to the other side. His calls for unity and bipartisanship were part of that promise, but let’s face it, the odds of that happening are slim to none.

There is so much bad blood in Washington and the leading Democrats, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, further poisoned the well by attacking Trump mercilessly on his initial handling of the coronavirus. Right out of the gate, they sounded as if they wanted to impeach him again instead of helping him find solutions.

So they, too, now face a crisis of their leadership. Will they help fight this killer disease and try to calm the nation? Or will they continue to abdicate their governing responsibilities and put their partisan interests ahead of the nation’s well-being?

Whatever they decide, America now knows it has a president committed to victory. That’s what matters most.

http://nyp...st-with-flying-colors-goodwin/
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Mar 12 19:27:50
^so a moron who thinks Trump even knows what the words were that he read
hood
Member
Thu Mar 12 21:50:30
Yeah, the stock market clearly got nothing on some noname NY post writer.
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 12 22:04:16
Durian, In all fairness the test is far from over. I agreebthe leftnis jumping on this like everything else to try to unfairly discredit him but its way to early to say he passed or failed any covid19 test.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Mar 12 22:10:06
he definitely failed already, there is no excuse for the multiple times he contradicted his experts (including today... after the above moron thinks Trump turned a corner by reading a speech), and they are not innocent mistakes, it's his 100% consistent pattern of lying in his self-interest as he does in all matters
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 12 22:25:25
Tw, My point being this is probably early in this situation.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Mar 12 22:31:05
well some of us realize Trump doesn't change

and Pence said “I don’t think there was confusion" in regards to Trumps travel/trade ban announcement, so if you had confidence in him for some reason it should now be gone now (although he's infinitely better than Trump as he's an adult and without obvious mental illness)
hood
Member
Thu Mar 12 22:47:44
"Tw, My point being this is probably early in this situation."

No. Early on was Feb 1st. The first death outside china was Feb 2nd (or at least hit the news Feb 2nd, so that's the latest). It was 40 days later that Trump finally acted. Taking 40 days to react is an indisputable failure.
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 12 22:51:11
Meh, Trump could end poverty and Cure covid19 himself and you guys wpuld find something wrong with it.

If you compare him to the rest of the first World on this issue he fares pretty well.
Dukhat
Member
Thu Mar 12 23:19:10
Trump has yet to act. Everything he suggested would do jack shit to contain community spread.

That's why markets are falling so fast. Fucking idiot will only react when thousands of Americans get sick and by then it might be too late to really get a handle on things.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Mar 12 23:19:33
well, how great he's doing is his constant message (so presumably that of Fox too) ... he tweeted approval ratings of how his admin handling this today (yet again)

I can't imagine any 1st world leader is struggling so hard to provide accurate info to the public

the CDC and Fauci and others who have nothing to do with Trump may be doing fine... Trump has been total shit, as expected, and as will continue

and if all the cancelations and precautions keep it under control, team Trump will probably again return to 'was media hoax just to tank economy' yadda yadda
Dukhat
Member
Thu Mar 12 23:19:45
"If you compare him to the rest of the first World on this issue he fares pretty well."

Hot Rod reincarnated? Did he fake his death a 2nd time?
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 12 23:25:09
"
That's why markets are falling so fast"

Then why are Europe's markets tanking as much or more?
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 12 23:31:19
Dukhat, Who has handled this right?
hood
Member
Thu Mar 12 23:38:08
Vietnam did.
hood
Member
Thu Mar 12 23:40:07
Also,

"If you compare him to the rest of the first World on this issue he fares pretty well."

No. At best you can say he fares equally shitty. However, the US has 2 huge bodies of water on either side of us creating an incredible barrier for transmission. We should have been fine if this was handled even moderately well.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Mar 12 23:41:37
just off top of my head

-Trump said spread not inevitable when experts at same briefing said they expected more cases
-Trump at one point said 15 cases (not wanting to count cruise people) & noted x recovered so would soon be zero... it was not soon zero
-Trump had multiple stupid comments in regards to a vaccine, such as repeatedly suggesting it would be out soon even though he stood w/ experts explaining it would likely be a year or more & why, yet it was in one ear out the other as he kept saying same thing (doubtful anyone outside the vaccine-making community would think a year is 'soon')
-Trump claimed testing kits available to all who wanted... CDC & Pence contradicted
-Trump's repeated effort to convince the public that the flu is worse... [see Italy]
-today, Trump: "testing has been going very smooth"... multiple people in field having complaints; Fauci: w/ failure comments
-Trumps teleprompter speech requiring multiple clarifications & corrections
(w/ Trump not admitting to making any errors, obviously... on speech or any of above)

then you have other things like Geraldo going on Hannity to urge Hannity to tell Trump to stop shaking hands as setting a bad example... (which is yet another person treating Trump like a child, Geraldo obviously saying that on air as knowing Trump was watching... & Geraldo added the required praise, calling Trump brave & doing a terrific job)

the Geraldo bit if anyone cares:
http://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1237560330298863616

Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 12 23:41:55
So Vietnam fared better than the US, Canada and the EU...ok.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Mar 12 23:46:19
one more: Trump not wanting the cruise ship passengers to leave ship (as it would raise our numbers...) but experts wanting them off (that's on video)
yet Mike 'thanks to the President's strong leadership' Pence at the very next briefing claimed getting the passengers off the ship was a priority of Trump's

fuck you, Pence
Habebe
Member
Thu Mar 12 23:47:02
So the whole world minus Vietnam dropped the ball.Its all Trumps fault, from the same people who hated the guy and looked for any reason to attack him prior to this.

As of right now the US fucked up a bit with limited amount of tests, other than that we dont seem that bad ( we will find out more with more tests) we are equally as shotty as Europe, less shitty as Canada.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Mar 12 23:53:33
do you care that Trump keeps lying & downplaying?
why is it remotely acceptable?

i would think all the people who accepted his downplaying & the hoax narrative would be super pissed that he's now canceling travel & having staff dump tons of warnings/precautions out on his twitter

but they won't be... as they have that brain parasite issue or whatever it is that makes Trump's constant ridiculously unacceptable behavior seem fine no mater what
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Mar 12 23:59:32
would low-energy Jeb! be so dishonest & have earned zero credibility from his -constant- bullshit?

find another R candidate... literally anyone
Habebe
Member
Fri Mar 13 00:03:07
Meh, I get it he is trying to mitigate panic. To that end so far he has failed, but its early on we will see what happens in the next few weeks/months. We still seem better off than Canada and the EU.
hood
Member
Fri Mar 13 00:04:08
"the US fucked up a bit with limited amount of tests"

No. The totality of the US fuckup concerning covid is clearly beyond your comprehension, hot rod. Just stop. You are the worst kind of fool.
hood
Member
Fri Mar 13 00:07:09
"We still seem better off than Canada and the EU."

Also no. Jergulmath may be awful 99% of the time, but his counting of the number of undiagnosed cases is a good frame of reference here. It should be terrifying that we're likely under reporting the spread of the infection by about a factor of 10.
Dukhat
Member
Fri Mar 13 00:08:46
South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Germany, Thailand for starters.

Worst: Italy, Iran.

Are we closer to Italy or are we closer to Iran now? It's that bad.
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