Utopia Talk / Politics / Corona III

jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 20:45:32 2020 Seb Do your civic duty and cough on people. Help them get it early too before the NHS is overwhelmed.
Nimatzo rank	Mon Mar 02 21:01:47 2020 Dam it seb, now you can’t come for the end of the world party in jergul’s shelter.
Paramount rank	Mon Mar 02 21:05:07 2020 ” Vice President Pence praying with the Coronavirus Team. This administration invites God’s help. Keep holding them up in prayer.” Rofl
The Children rank	Mon Mar 02 21:35:46 2020 infected spiked over night. looks like ur country been lyin bout the numbers.
tumbleweed rank	Mon Mar 02 21:40:53 2020 5 deaths now in Washington (state)
tumbleweed rank	Mon Mar 02 21:46:53 2020 i assume this means a lot of infected people are walking around Seattle (& have been for awhile)
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 21:56:18 2020 If you extrapolate from the deaths, then there should be about 300 walking about infacting people at a rate of 3 each.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 21:57:01 2020 My thoughts and prayers!
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 21:58:17 2020 TC Not lying so much as not testing. Last I checked, the US had only the test results from 400 people.
Wrath of Orion rank	Mon Mar 02 21:58:54 2020 Please don't feed the troll unless you're giving it actual troll food.
TJ rank	Mon Mar 02 22:00:09 2020 USA The House and Senate membership ages. 112 50-59 125 60-69 61 70-79 8 80+ Senate 18 50-59 42 60-69 19 70-79 5 80+ Covid-19 could create a substantial realignment in Government. Biden, Sanders, and Warren might not make it through the primaries let alone become President. Probabilities... Shake, rattle and roll.
Paramount rank	Mon Mar 02 22:08:59 2020 Already 5 dead in the USA? Yesterday I read that two people had died.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 22:16:03 2020 TJ Or look at their bosses. White, silent generation (1928-1945) lean GOP 59%, Democrat 36%
The Children rank	Mon Mar 02 22:32:05 2020 already 6... looks like usa been lyin bout its numbers 4 WEEKS. but is anyone surprised. untrustworthy, lie, cheat and steal.
TJ rank	Mon Mar 02 22:33:54 2020 jergul: Take it as far as you wish. The original idea has been expressed even though in a subtle fashion. All of it falls under "Realignment of government" unless I'm not understanding your point.
sam adams rank	Mon Mar 02 22:44:24 2020 Ya the assumption is theres undiagnosed minor cases in the general population to the tune of ~100 cases. Its getting diagnosed now cause its nuking the old folks home.
The Children rank	Mon Mar 02 23:01:29 2020 100 my ass... u have 1000s infected.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 23:02:23 2020 TJ Voter supression would be a much bigger deal than actual deaths. Its hard to imagine groups at risk trundling down en mass to the the polling stations if the outbreak reboots come flu season in October.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 23:04:46 2020 Sammy 100 seems low. Each unidentified infected person should infect about 3 others over the course of 14 days. But this is not an exact science. Anything between 100 and 1000 is close enough.
TJ rank	Mon Mar 02 23:10:53 2020 The idea of voter suppression has been around since 1838 as far as I can tell.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 23:15:43 2020 The idea that politicians should get the pox has been around since Mesopotamia :). The trick is mixing and matching concepts.
sam adams rank	Mon Mar 02 23:20:36 2020 "100 seems low. " Perhaps. The genetic guessing gives vague numbers at this point. Im not gonna argue with numbers between 50 and 500.
TJ rank	Mon Mar 02 23:21:39 2020 I made no statement about should, shouldn't, will or won't. I was mixing and matching considering the probabilities. :D
sam adams rank	Mon Mar 02 23:21:41 2020 And thats for seattle metro only i might add.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 23:27:48 2020 "And thats for seattle metro only i might add." Ah, ok. I would not argue with 50-500 either. The problem is more that whatever number doubles every 100 hours. So its more a question of where we are on the timeline than anything else (50 people is 400 hours behind 500 people).
tumbleweed rank	Tue Mar 03 00:40:55 2020 current presser: Pence: we've added Dr. Burke, she is awesome Dr. Burke: Trump & everyone else have been awesome Azar: Dr. Burke is awesome how would these people be talking under a non-fraud lunatic administration i wonder
Dukhat rank	Tue Mar 03 03:51:23 2020 Should have been mass testing immediately. Trump hoped it would go away and appointed the worst fucking person to be in charge. At least he’s scared now and is letting the cdc do more ... Still a fucking idiot though especially if one of his supporters listened to him calling it a hoax and ends up infecting a ton of people.
sam adams rank	Tue Mar 03 05:06:34 2020 "Should have been mass testing immediately." -cuckhat "I want those same people in charge of my healthcare" -also cuckhat Lulz
Dukhat rank	Tue Mar 03 07:42:07 2020 Sam nonsensical yet again. In before dumbfucks like Turtle Crawler come here with the next conspiracy theory. What will it be? That some liberal Trump hater got infected and decided to spread the disease as far and as wide as possible to hurt his chances of getting infected. When the number of cases in the US reaches thousands, that will be their fucking response.
Dukhat rank	Tue Mar 03 07:42:30 2020 getting re-elected*
sam adams rank	Tue Mar 03 07:57:41 2020 Duck hat you should realize how retarded it sounds for you to whine about government health response and also whine about getting government healthcare at the same time.
The Children rank	Tue Mar 03 07:59:14 2020 if u got 1 death, it means u got da virus for 3-4 weeks already. and in 3-4 weeks, it wuld mean theres 1000 infected. impussible that u merely have 100 cases...
Dukhat rank	Tue Mar 03 08:10:41 2020 Republicans: Nominate a fucking idiot to be in charge of government. Then when he fails horribly: "See, government is bad at everything!" Same shit as W. and Katrina. And nobody bought it then either.
jergul rank	Tue Mar 03 10:13:24 2020 "Since January, the CDC had been publishing a cumulative total of US novel coronavirus cases and the number of patients who have been tested in the United States. The change on Monday was met with skepticism from Rep. Mark Pocan, a Wisconsin Democrat. According to Pocan's letter, on Sunday the CDC's website listed how many cases were travel-rated, the number of person-to-person cases, the total number of people tested, and the number of coronavirus deaths. But on Monday, the website no longer listed the number of people in the United States who had been tested." CNN Faith inspiring. We should pray.
jergul rank	Tue Mar 03 11:40:11 2020 Not to be a complete asshat, but blood donorship... Too late. I was a complete asshat.
jergul rank	Tue Mar 03 17:11:04 2020 The US is hoping to test 1 million people by the end of this week. Nice. That would be up 9999500 since the last number I saw on people tested. We might actually get a clearer picture on the number of infected people in teh US.
jergul rank	Tue Mar 03 17:11:37 2020 999500*
jergul rank	Tue Mar 03 17:18:49 2020 Churches are stepping up by emptying holy water by the entrance and cutting out the use of common drinking vessels during sacrements. And we wonder why people died all the time in the middle ages.
jergul rank	Tue Mar 03 17:38:28 2020 http://www...m=android_app&utm_source=share Worth reading.
Paramount rank	Tue Mar 03 21:16:50 2020 So what are all of you hoarding in your shelters? Cans of beans? Candles? Safety matches? Water? What else does one need in order to survive a month or two?
swordtail rank	Tue Mar 03 21:23:32 2020 duct tape and plastic sheeting
tumbleweed rank	Tue Mar 03 21:27:42 2020 don't forget to attack asian people for bringing this dread upon us
jergul rank	Tue Mar 03 21:36:37 2020 Bitcoins.
hood rank	Tue Mar 03 21:42:40 2020 No shelter needed. Just get an extra package of chicken to put in your freezer. Buy a nice, big bag of rice, as it won't spoil. Noodles also work. No need to go ham (har!), just have a little bit more.
jergul rank	Tue Mar 03 21:45:33 2020 Or two cases of whiskey and just trade for anything you want. + bitcoins. Because surely as civilization collapses, the internet will be maintained.
jergul rank	Tue Mar 03 21:47:37 2020 And thank god for hydro and windpower. Decentralized power production for the win. I will be able to generate bitcoins too.
tumbleweed rank	Tue Mar 03 22:01:57 2020 Trump has killed 3 more people... 9 deaths now in Washington (state)
sam adams rank	Tue Mar 03 22:18:12 2020 Theres apperently a critical but still living case of a 50 year old without underlying conditions.
The Children rank	Tue Mar 03 22:37:25 2020 water? lol water comes out the sink. no need 4 that. just cans of food. rice, pasta, noodles, milk powder. things u can keep. some frozen stuff in the freezer like chinese buns, dimsum, and other meat types that u can store. cans usually just beans, carrots and shit like that. just veggies really. it really not worth hoardin. ill still be doing groceries at least twice a week. eve no real need 4 anything else. no need 4 anything longer than 1 or 2 weeks. ill still be doing groceries. just with some extra food, it means i dunt have 2 do groveries that often no more. stores got plenty of food, i dunt believe in walkin dead scenaries. what if u stored an entire room filled with cans. so what. then next day, u get the virus. lol purpose destroyed, owned.
Habebe rank	Tue Mar 03 23:16:46 2020 "and other meat types that u can store." He means bats, Snakes and shit.
jergul rank	Wed Mar 04 00:34:46 2020 tumbleweed the wanderer Sun Mar 01 23:49:39 the handy link CC put in last thread: http://gis...a7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
jergul rank	Wed Mar 04 00:37:50 2020 http://gis...a7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
jergul rank	Wed Mar 04 00:49:59 2020 "Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · 5t It was my great honor to address the National Association of Counties Legislative Conference where 1,200 County Leaders whose incredible devotion, talent, and drive directly and profoundly improve the lives of millions of Americans each and every day." Oh good. Lets gather everyone from every corner of the US together before sending them on their way again.
tumbleweed rank	Wed Mar 04 01:20:42 2020 Trump gets Azar to announce they have a potential vaccine in just 3 days http://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1234950243512242176 then Fauci has to come out & still give the year estimate (in next post of that twitter thread) i have zero confidence in Azar... anyone around Trump gets infected w/ something & loses all credibility
jergul rank	Wed Mar 04 02:01:05 2020 Trump is pushing imaginary vaccines like hitler was non-existent Army Groups in April 45.
Dukhat rank	Wed Mar 04 03:09:43 2020 My boat is well stocked. Plenty of space since I upgraded to a 40 foot. Bought another 2 years worth of supplies though at my main property. More for my parents because they live nearby and can use the place to quarantine themselves if needed.
Wrath of Orion rank	Wed Mar 04 04:30:21 2020 Don't forget your tinfoil hat. That's the most important bit.
hood rank	Wed Mar 04 05:08:48 2020 "i have zero confidence in Azar..." Why would you have any confidence in a pharma lobbyist to begin with?
Dukhat rank	Wed Mar 04 06:01:28 2020 What tinfoil hat? If we don't need it that's great and I will use the non-perishables when I restock my boat in 6 months. If we do need it (most likely case being the area needing to self-quarantine for a few weeks like we've seen in other countries), my parents will be safer and not have to deal with panicing people in grocery stores. A sensible decision unlike all the gun nutters that go rush to buy guns every time a shooting happens under a democratic president.
hood rank	Wed Mar 04 07:24:32 2020 "Bought another 2 years worth of supplies" + "Bought another 2 years worth of supplies" = person who has no fucking clue what they are saying; completely oblivious individual.
Dukhat rank	Wed Mar 04 09:06:06 2020 Don't get so butthurt hood. It's not a worthwhile look and it shows how pathetic you are because you give up trying to convince the people that need to be convinced and have internalized their helplessness as your own.
Nimatzo rank	Wed Mar 04 12:55:18 2020 WHO now puts the fatality rate of corona to 3.4% globally.
Dukhat rank	Wed Mar 04 14:04:51 2020 Seemingly 20% of cases are serious enough to require hospitalization. There’s the rub. Too many get infected and the system becomes swamped.
hood rank	Wed Mar 04 14:32:12 2020 Hmm. Well my copy/paste fail is certainly ironic.
sam adams rank	Wed Mar 04 18:17:16 2020 Wait cuckhat is one of those homeless people that lives on a boat?
The Children rank	Wed Mar 04 20:21:41 2020 lol 4 reral? 4 years worth of supply?? LMAO u some end of the world conspiracy nut? everyone knows if end of the world shit happens and zombiesd overttake us all, the supermarkets and malls are where its at. thats where everyone will be and thats where all the supplies are. lol@buyin supplies. didnt dawn of the dea teach u anything!
Paramount rank	Wed Mar 04 20:53:00 2020 People in Britain are getting infected at a fast pace now: 87 cases of COVID-19 confirmed in UK after biggest daily jump http://new...9-now-confirmed-in-uk-11949250 There are probably a lot of people who doesn’t care if they are ill or not. They commute to work regardless and cough everywhere. At buses and trains, at their workplaces, in restaurants. Everywhere! That’s why the virus is spreading.
The Children rank	Wed Mar 04 20:57:01 2020 yea public transports are fuckin gross as hell. serious its infected a long time ago with all these shitty stinky 3rd worlders. its always full, its slow, its never on time, capacity is crap, it expensive, it was dead a long time ago. everyone hates commutin. wageslavin just sucks man. its just so fukin unfair.
sam adams rank	Wed Mar 04 21:25:31 2020 "yea public transports are fuckin gross as hell. serious its infected a long time ago with all these shitty stinky 3rd worlders. its always full, its slow, its never on time, capacity is crap, it expensive, it was dead a long time ago." Lol@shithole london. But but but seb said its not a shithole.
jergul rank	Wed Mar 04 21:59:12 2020 Para People are getting diagnosed at a faster rate than ever. Right now we know that globally, 3.5% of those diagnosed die. The UK has 85 diagnosed and 0 deaths. The expectation is 3 deaths. It is in other words catching a lot of people with few or any symptoms. The US has 138 diagnoses and 9 deaths. It should have 260 diagnoses. It is in other words missing a lot of people that it needs to catch to meet global averages.
sam adams rank	Wed Mar 04 22:15:41 2020 US deathtoll up to 11, including the first outside seattle. Still no healthy folks dead, though there are rumors of a couple previously healthy folks in critical condition.
Habebe rank	Wed Mar 04 22:30:27 2020 TC thinks the train is expensive. Haha
Habebe rank	Wed Mar 04 22:43:34 2020 Wozniak says he was patient zero.
jergul rank	Thu Mar 05 01:27:09 2020 There are several pasient 0s in the US. Some of them have recovered by now. With 11 deaths, there should be 314 diagnoses to keep up with global averages.
TJ rank	Thu Mar 05 01:46:30 2020 Maybe and maybe not. Guess we'll see sooner or later. Washington State. A female in her 60s, Life Care resident, hospitalized at EvergreenHealth A male in his 50s, associated with Life Care, not hospitalized A male in his 60s, Life Care resident, hospitalized at EvergreenHealth A female in her 70s, Life Care resident, hospitalized at EvergreenHealth A male in his 60s, Life Care resident, hospitalized at Evergreen A female in her 90s, Life Care resident, was hospitalized at Evergreen and died on 3/3/20 A female in her 70s, Life Care resident, hospitalized at EvergreenHealth A male in his 30s, no known exposure, not hospitalized A female in her teens, associated with Life Care, not hospitalized A male in his 80s, a resident of Life Care, hospitalized at EvergreenHealth
jergul rank	Thu Mar 05 02:00:35 2020 The cdc has tested 1100 samples in last report. 12.5% infection rate. Its hard to be predicative other than saying US test levels are really, really low and the number of deaths high in ratio of confirmed infected compared to what the rest of the world is doing. They have not even tested all of the patients and staff at that Life Care institution.
TJ rank	Thu Mar 05 02:05:51 2020 I was cautious and optimistic at the same time. That is why i used maybe or maybe not in the post.
Wrath of Orion rank	Thu Mar 05 02:29:21 2020 "There are probably a lot of people who doesn’t care if they are ill or not. They commute to work regardless and cough everywhere. At buses and trains, at their workplaces, in restaurants. Everywhere! That’s why the virus is spreading." The real problem is you can be asymptomatic for a week or so while being infectious.
Forwyn rank	Thu Mar 05 02:48:01 2020 Plague Inc EZ mode is maxing out air/water transmission, and infecting everyone in the world before developing symptoms
sam adams rank	Thu Mar 05 03:42:37 2020 "The real problem is you can be asymptomatic for a week or so while being infectious. " Thats a great combination huh. "other than saying US test levels are really, really low" Ya they didnt even have enough testing ability in place to handle more than a few patients until this week. Tards. Its also possible that the us death rate is artificially high cause its mainly blowing up an old folks home. But i agree its more likely that there are 100s of undiagnosed minor cases in healthier/younger people.
Forwyn rank	Thu Mar 05 04:39:23 2020 Oh nooooo, nursing home bottom lines will be impacted when their populations are decimated
Dukhat rank	Thu Mar 05 04:56:14 2020 Lol. Those people are the republican base. You need those old shits to stay alive for as long as possible to elect politicians stupid enough to push supply side economics.
Habebe rank	Thu Mar 05 05:19:16 2020 Idk, Biden Only gets old votes too.
sam adams rank	Thu Mar 05 06:00:10 2020 Good thing bernies lazy millenial "revolutionaries" are too lazy to even vote. Biden 2020!
jergul rank	Thu Mar 05 11:23:33 2020 Funny how old you have to be to recognize that flock behaviour matters. Even the 3.5% to create a revolution amounts to a small flock triggering a stampede amongst a much larger flock. This could incidentally be hardwired. Many mammals have a wanderlust stage when young animals break away from the group and wander about in primeval hipster misery.
jergul rank	Thu Mar 05 12:49:16 2020 2 cases here tied to the Nato thingy "Arctic Resolve". Lets see how Nato operations deal with a soon to be declared pandemic.
Nimatzo rank	Thu Mar 05 14:26:41 2020 Jergul Having this many old people around is a fairly recent phenomena and so is the unprecedented speed of social and general progress. Decent correlation. All the backward and savage places on this planet have young populations. Even back when we were medieval and hatched our most terrible ideas, no where near this many old people. Obviously old people are acting as a filter for all of the most terrible ideas young people have, like that one girl wanting us to panic over Australian bush fires or the other guy, whose life is over because Debbie broke his heart. Old people may be backwards, but they are backwards based on much more experience!
jergul rank	Thu Mar 05 14:39:46 2020 I am not disagreeing, but my point was a bit different: Low voter turn out amongs yung-uns may be hardwired. Though if you do look at deciders, they seem to be as old as fuck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Privy_Counsellors_(1679%E2%80%931714)#1679
Nimatzo rank	Thu Mar 05 15:10:38 2020 Of that there is no doubt, spurious correlation is spurious, there are other factors that matter :) It just, there is this idea, ”if it were not for the old people we would...”. As a matter of fact we had 2 world wars that predominantly killed young men and we had some of biggest social revolutions following those wars. I don’t think age of the electorate matters that much. Things tend to reach some form of equlibrium the further we go. (I am sure it has to do with some yet unexplained thermodynamic phenomena!) Which is bad when a country decides to leave the EU with a hair thin majority or elects a president with a minority of the popular vote. Hardwired, like not giving a fuck about an action (voting) that is literally 1 among millions? Things that require long term thinking and such? Yea I believe it is hardwired ;-)
hood rank	Thu Mar 05 15:31:24 2020 "(I am sure it has to do with some yet unexplained thermodynamic phenomena!)" /Puts on physicists cap So if you consider the population to be this point, then we can create a simple model to... /Physics joke/
Seb rank	Thu Mar 05 16:06:20 2020 Jergul, please, we can do better than a zero dimensional model. Let's say a spherical, frictionless, rigid body and then we can do at least a 1d model.
hood rank	Thu Mar 05 16:13:41 2020 Did I just get called jergul? I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL! PISTOLS IN BRISTOL!
Nimatzo rank	Thu Mar 05 16:15:53 2020 Hmm the population as a point on a sphere, hmmm yes it even makes intuitive sense. Now if we can some how incoporate fluid mechanics and something about black body radiation, I believe there is potentially enough jargon in there to sound really impressive!
hood rank	Thu Mar 05 16:19:15 2020 Also Seb, I'm certain some members of the population would take umbrage with being referred to as a spherical body. At least by modeling them as points everyone gets to be their ideal size.
Habebe rank	Thu Mar 05 21:53:38 2020 Oh shit. My mom just came from the Pharamcy and came out all y2k on me and my sister and I stocking up on masks.
swordtail rank	Thu Mar 05 22:07:27 2020 yes, you can use stockings as masks.
Habebe rank	Thu Mar 05 22:19:56 2020 No she ordered these masks with little round ventilator things on them.... You should habe seen out basement during Y2k, jugs of water, canned goods for years...she gets so excited over this shit.
hood rank	Thu Mar 05 22:25:39 2020 So you're saying crazy runs in the family, eh?
Habebe rank	Thu Mar 05 23:19:47 2020 I prefer excentric. IDK, she gets so excited over this stuff. Anything from Hurricane preparation to end of the world scenarios. I mean, t doesnt hurt to be over prepared, she just does it with such enthusiasm. Holidays too, Christmas and Thanksgiving are events she starts prepping for like minths in advance.
jergul rank	Fri Mar 06 07:52:57 2020 1500 people have been tested so far in the US. I don't know what to say about that.
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