Utopia Talk / Politics / Official BS by potus #28.2

Habebe Member	Wed Mar 04 23:33:07 The other thread was too annoying. Tw, Idk, nor care about what specifically who called for what. Bottom line both sides call bullshit on judges rulings when it does not suit them and bitch " how dare they" abput there opposition. They all do it. As for chief judicial officer, he does have a pretty powerful ability of Pardon and to appoint judges.He is on course to effect of the Judiciary more than any one individual in.modern US history.For good or bad.
Habebe Member	Wed Mar 04 23:43:17 Its sort of like how people are upon arms because donna Braille told the Republicans to go to he'll. Can anyone here keep a straight face and support Trump while calling foul on " go to hell"?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Mar 04 23:56:59 i'm criticizing the way the total asshole hypocrite shitbag fraud liar blows things out of proportion also, given his significant role in the law enforcing branch of the gov't, how in the hell does ANYONE accept his constant claims of illegal behavior of opponents & of the investigations into him that are in NO WAY illegal (you don't need to answer... if you try it won't make any sense to me... there is a weird block where Trump fans can't see how ridiculous what he says & does is compared to every other responsible person in existence)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 00:02:47 do Schumer's comments warrant arrest, impeachment, or other 'serious action'? the answer is no... & no Trump is not joking about wanting it
Habebe Member	Thu Mar 05 00:47:24 Not many people are claiming Trumps rhetoric isnt outnof pocket. But it's not much different from most other politicians, like I just said they both pull bs, many on the left fail to see anything other than Trumps bs.
jergul large member	Thu Mar 05 00:49:29 Feel free to create multiple threads to fill up with Biden BS if you feel that can be done habebe.
jergul large member	Thu Mar 05 00:53:27 Hell, why not take the entire Democratic party at any level of politics and see if it can match the BS Trump spouts all by himself?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 01:06:19 "But it's not much different from most other politicians" it is hugely different... hugely... maybe in the overflow parking lot of the ballpark of the most whackjob congressman, that's not acceptable in a -President-
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 01:32:04 guess the tweeter: --------------- "Protect yourself and your community from coronavirus with common sense precautions: wash your hands, stay home when sick and listen to the @CDCgov and local health authorities. Save the masks for health care workers. Let’s stay calm, listen to the experts, and follow the science." ----------------- "Mini Mike Bloomberg will now FIRE Tim O’Brien, and all of the fools and truly dumb people who got him into this MESS. This has been the worst, and most embarrassing, experience of his life...and now on to Sleepy Joe!" ============== if you guessed the first one, then you already had heard it... if you failed to guess the second one then you aren't paying much attention to the absurdity under which we are living
jergul large member	Thu Mar 05 01:50:33 Guess the twitter would be a neat thread concept as the election approaches. Bloomberg reportedly has contracts with the staff through November. His gameplan was never to exit impacting on the political process. Superpac get out the vote and trash trump mode from now? Though to be fair, trump trashes himself. Troll Trump might be a better term.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 02:12:16 most recent non-super-short tweet by the Dem candidates: -------- " Good news — I just voted to pass emergency Coronavirus funding which passed with strong bipartisan support. It will provide $8.2B toward testing, masks, hygiene equipment for first responders, care providers, tele-health access and more. #CoronaAlert #Covid_19 #Coronavirus " ---------- " I stand with @UNITEHERE in calling on @Starbucks to demand that @HMSHost create an environment at their stores where workers can live with dignity, fair treatment and fair pay. [link to boston globe article about Starbucks] " ---------- " To everyone who has placed your faith in our campaign thus far, thank you. Your support means the world to me — and I hope I make you proud. I will do everything I can to bring this country together and restore the soul of our nation. " ---------- " Trickle down economics has been a failure. We need to build an economy from the grassroots up. [video of rally comments] " ---------- (none sound in tone remotely like Trump, as Trump is a child & unable to sound like an adult) Trump's latest is a video of him on Hannity talking about the Dems weaponizing the coronavirus (while he just lied today that Obama slowed testing) there is nothing similar about Trump to mature adults... view Pelosi (top D in line of succession), or Obama, or even Pence's twitter, or whomever... find the constant stream of childish insults & bullshit on anyone else's twitter... even Ivanka manages an adult twitter... compare hers to Don Sr or Don Jr (although she is still garbage as a person)
jergul large member	Thu Mar 05 03:31:38 I glanced through Obama's recent tweets. Its like he is from a universe were Trump was smothered in infancy. Zero mention of GREPAS (Greatest President of all time).
jergul large member	Thu Mar 05 03:32:27 See Gröfaz if reference was unclear.
Dukhat Member	Thu Mar 05 03:40:29 The insanity is due to white evangelicals supporting Trump no matter what. They are by their nature religious so they don't believe in science and trusting of leaders. 85% turnout, 80% support. The GOP is literally a cult.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 11:56:01 " .@GOPLeader Kevin McCarthy informed me that I was 20 for 20 on Tuesday with respect to my Endorsement of candidates. Sadly, I didn’t get that information from the Fake News Media. They don’t report those things, or the far more than Dems cumulative votes, despite no opposition! " ~ child why in fucks hell would media make a story out of Trumps score card on congressional primaries... i don't even see him celebrating anyone's wins other than his own 'amazing' primary wins, so he obviously didn't care about any of them "or the far more than Dems cumulative votes, despite no opposition" i'll just assume that's a lie... a typical thing he'd lie about, or he's talking about deep red states, so meaningless ================ "Schumer has brought great danger to the steps of the United States Supreme Court!" ~ fraud ...obviously
Habebe Member	Thu Mar 05 12:13:25 TW, IDK most states. Deep red is likley. However, He is getting record/near record votes for an uncontested primary. ( well technically like 4 guys are running) Colorado He got 600k votes, more than Biden, Bloomberg and Sanders combined ( which was just shy of 600k) but in a heavy blue leaning swing state thats impressive considering these people went out to vote soley to show enthusiasm.
jergul large member	Thu Mar 05 12:32:35 The DNC primary had 724k votes to the GOPs 600k. Or about the same margin the GOP lost in 2016, Trump is a loser. Sad!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 12:37:30 the little ticker that comes up in google shows only 80% of votes in for Colorado, plus: Bernie Sanders 36.1% 282,462 Joe Biden 23.6% 184,262 Michael Bloomberg 20.5% 160,240 Elizabeth Warren 17.3% 135,013 Donald Trump 92.5% 599,816 282+184+160+135 = 761 (without warren it's still over 600, but not sure why excluding her would make sense) & i don't know what other congress primaries Coloradans might have cared about
Habebe Member	Thu Mar 05 13:34:39 Jergul, Your numbers are off. He, Perhaps the tally jas gone up since i looled last. Regardless, considering there is nothing riding on Trumps primary and he did no campaigning. The top three candidates got 25k votes in a deep blue SS. Then figure ( estimate) that 85% of Sanders supporters will vote for Biden, that leaves a nice chunk that will not. Its an enthusiasm gap, if Trump can pull that off without trying, its impressive. Not lock, but impressive.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 13:38:46 how is he not trying? he's holding cheer-my-lies rallies every couple days
Habebe Member	Thu Mar 05 13:39:09 He=tw. Auto correct.
Habebe Member	Thu Mar 05 13:39:46 He, Not in Colorado afaik.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 13:45:58 he was in Colorado for a rally Feb 20th
Habebe Member	Thu Mar 05 13:48:24 Oh. Well, less impressive than.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 15:41:22 more shocking new info to ignore (i wanted to trim it down, but it's constant shocking info...): President Trump’s company charged the Secret Service $157,000 more than was previously known — billing taxpayers for rooms at his clubs at rates far higher than his company has claimed, according to a new trove of receipts and billing documents released by the Secret Service. Many of the new receipts were obtained by the watchdog group Public Citizen, which spent three years battling the Secret Service over a public-records request from January 2017. When added to dozens of charges already reported by The Washington Post, the new documents show that Trump’s company has charged the Secret Service more than $628,000 since he took office in 2017. The payments show Trump has an unprecedented — and still partially hidden — business relationship with his own government. The full scope of that relationship is still unknown because the publicly available records are largely from 2017 and 2018, leaving huge gaps in the data. The new documents include bills from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., showing charges for 177 additional nightly room rentals in 2017, 2018 and 2019. The rate was $396.15 per night per room, the receipts show. In Bedminster, N.J., the new receipts also show that a rental arrangement that began in summer 2017 — where Trump’s club charged the Secret Service $17,000 per month to rent a cottage near the president’s — continued in summer 2018 and for at least part of summer 2019. That rate is unusually high for homes in the area, according to local rental listings. Trump’s son Eric Trump, who is helping to run the Trump Organization while his father is in the White House, suggested in an interview last year with Yahoo Finance that the company charges a very low rate to federal employees accompanying the president. AD “If my father travels, they stay at our properties for free — meaning, like, cost for housekeeping,” said Eric Trump, the company’s executive vice president. Later in the interview, he said, “We charge them, like, 50 bucks.” [What President Trump’s company charges the Secret Service] In response to questions from The Post about the Secret Service payments, Eric Trump has said the company charges the Secret Service “at cost” but declined to provide more details. The rate charged to the Secret Service at Mar-a-Lago was more than double what the club charged another government customer, a visiting official from the Department of Veterans Affairs, according to VA records. Asked about the spending, the Secret Service responded with a brief statement. “In the execution of our protective mission, the Secret Service balances operational security with judicious allocation of resources,” a spokeswoman said. The White House declined to comment. Donald Trump still owns his company but says he has given day-to-day control to his eldest sons. The Secret Service accompanies the president and his family members wherever they go, and while on protective duty its agents are exempt from federal limits on hotel room spending. But there appears to be no requirement that presidents must charge the Secret Service. In fact, most recent presidents and vice presidents have allowed the Secret Service to use space on their properties free, according to their spokesmen or presidential library staff. Before Trump, the one recent exception had been then-Vice President Joe Biden, who charged the Secret Service $2,200 a month to rent a cottage at his home in Delaware. A Biden spokesman said that was a fair market rate. Biden’s payments were formalized in a federal contract and listed in public databases of federal spending. The Secret Service’s payments to Trump’s companies have been made through federal credit cards, not formal contracts. They are not listed in public databases. The Post and watchdog groups including Public Citizen have assembled some details of the Secret Service’s spending at Trump properties through public-records requests, one receipt at a time. The documents reviewed by The Post so far have included charges for more than 590 nights in rooms at Trump properties. At Mar-a-Lago, the rate for the Secret Service started at $650 per night, according to people who have seen unredacted versions of the receipts from early 2017 viewed by The Post. The rate then fell to $396.15 per night by fall 2017, other receipts show. At Bedminster, the monthly cottage rent worked out to $566.64 per night. The Post has not yet found any instance where a Trump property charged the Secret Service $50 per night for a room or any rate under $100 per night. Public Citizen submitted the public-records request with the Secret Service on Jan. 6, 2017 — before Trump took office. They asked for records related to the cost of Secret Service agents accompanying Trump on trips to his private homes. After three years of legal wrangling, the Secret Service last month sent Public Citizen 60 pounds of documents, the group said. The Secret Service had produced thousands of pages of receipts, mostly related to Trump’s visits to two properties — Mar-a-Lago and Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster — where he has spent a combined 219 days of his presidency. The receipts were largely from 2017 and 2018. Trump has spent 355 days — 30 percent of his presidency so far — visiting his own properties, according to a Washington Post tally. Robert Weissman, the president of Public Citizen, said the group was happy to get the documents — but dismayed that most of them were so old. “That is not how the process is supposed to work,” Weissman said. “Responding in 2020 with information from 2017 and 2018 is not okay.” The Secret Service said in a statement that it adheres to all rules governing public-records requests. Some of the documents were for bills from the clubs. Around Christmas 2017, for instance, the Secret Service paid for 57 nights in Mar-a-Lago’s guest rooms, for a total bill of $22,580. On many bills from Mar-a-Lago, the $396.15 nightly rate for these rooms was listed as “Room Rate at Cost.” The Trump Organization has not explained how it calculates that cost or why that figure differs so widely from Eric Trump’s public claim that the cost was “like 50 bucks.” Hotel industry experts say that the cost of housekeeping for a luxury hotel room is typically $40 to $50 per night. Could the cost be as high as $396.15 at Mar-a-Lago? “No. That’s not possible,” Diego Bufquin, a professor at the University of Central Florida’s Rosen College of Hospitality Management told The Post this month. “Let’s say that you use the best shampoos, the best soaps, the best conditioners, the best coffee,” Bufquin said. “At the end of the day you may have something approaching $100, if you have the top products in the world in your guest room. . . . I’ve never seen variable costs per room sold at $400.” Experts said that cleaning a room typically takes a housekeeper a half-hour and noted that — according to documents filed with the Labor Department — the starting salary for housekeepers at Mar-a-Lago is $11.17 per hour. In a recent interview with a Fox News podcast, Eric Trump called a prior Post story on Secret Service payments to the Trump Organization “disgusting” and said that the company does not make a profit on these payments. “I joke all the time that I would like nothing more than to never have another person from the government stay at one of our properties because it displaces a true paying guest,” he said. Eric Trump did not respond to questions from The Post asking him to elaborate on his remarks in the interview. It is difficult to estimate what Mar-a-Lago charges its nongovernment customers, as the club does not publish its room rates. As a private club, the rooms are open only to guests of members, and even members are told to call and ask for price quotes. But another receipt makes clear that $396.15 is not the lowest the club’s rates can go. In April 2018, the chief of staff at the Department of Veterans Affairs, Peter O’Rourke, stayed overnight at Mar-a-Lago, according to a hotel bill obtained by ProPublica. At the time, ProPublica reported, O’Rourke was visiting the club to meet with a Mar-a-Lago member and two associates who were unofficially advising the department. O’Rourke was charged only $195. That is the maximum rate a non-Secret Service government employee was permitted to spend on a hotel in the Palm Beach area under federal rules. O’Rourke has since left VA and did not respond to requests for comment. The Secret Service happened to be renting four rooms on the same night, other receipts show. Mar-a-Lago charged them $396.15 each — more than double O’Rourke’s rate. In Bedminster, the receipts show that — as in 2017 — the club charged $17,000 a month for the “Sarazen Cottage.” The monthly arrangement meant the Trump Organization company got paid by taxpayers, even when Donald Trump wasn’t at the club — or even in the country. On June 12, 2018, for instance, Trump was in Singapore for a summit with North Korea’s Kim Jong Un. Even with the president was 9,500 miles away, the Secret Service still paid rent on the cottage in New Jersey. A former government official with direct knowledge of Secret Service operations told The Post that because equipment was stored in the cottage, it could not be rented to other guests. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity to preserve relationships in the administration. http://www...a-b014-4fafa866bb81_story.html Eric Trump is a fucking liar (not that shocking) $396.15 a night is 'at cost'... one non-secret service guy was 'only' charged $195 a night which coincidentally is the maximum he's allowed to pay... but lucky for the grifter family, secret service has no limits
Habebe Member	Thu Mar 05 16:50:13 So, readers digest version. How much say yearly is it costing and how much does it differ from say GWB/Obama? Ballpark figures.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 16:57:26 seems they've uncovered $628,000 so far... with plenty still unknown as compared to zero for Obama & Bush i imagine, as not sure where they'd be charging anyone there's this snippet: "But there appears to be no requirement that presidents must charge the Secret Service. In fact, most recent presidents and vice presidents have allowed the Secret Service to use space on their properties free, according to their spokesmen or presidential library staff. Before Trump, the one recent exception had been then-Vice President Joe Biden, who charged the Secret Service $2,200 a month to rent a cottage at his home in Delaware. A Biden spokesman said that was a fair market rate. Biden’s payments were formalized in a federal contract and listed in public databases of federal spending. " whereas Trump charging $17,000 a month for a cottage at Bedminister which article notes: "that rate is unusually high for homes in the area, according to local rental listings"
Habebe Member	Thu Mar 05 17:27:43 That doesn't really seem like much. Especially since Trump doesn't even collect a pay check.
Habebe Member	Thu Mar 05 17:30:48 I tried to find his Secret service expenses in total. Aan the best I got is that Congress alots a $120 million/year for his/families safety.That eas the headline, didnt read the article yet.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 17:34:00 it's not like it's the only money he's soaking in off his presidency... he's been renting garbage space to himself in Trump Tower since 2015 as another jackpot, plus all the spies who've joined Mar-a-Lago which is like $200,000 to join... and all his shills rent & hangout at his hotel in Washington... & Saudis rent out space they don't even use... anyway, any complaint for piece of shit Eric Trump telling the public they are letting secret service stay for free or 'at cost'? or is constant lying about everything from this family just the accepted norm? recall Trump offered to have the G-7 at Doral 'at cost'... apparently 'at cost' is whatever they decide to charge. Then -after- canceling the idea he claimed he would've done it for free, & the moron brigade believed it i'm sure... and i'm sure he'll repeat that lie when the G7 happens.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 17:36:45 "Congress alots a $120 million/year for his/families safety" well there will be HEAPS more expense when you add in all the foreign travel of his garbage kids & all foreign travel this article is just what Trump is charging Secret Service (& not complete)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 17:37:24 (& -his- foreign travel)
Habebe Member	Thu Mar 05 19:11:03 I mean, all presidents rent space on the tax payer dime, the only one still alive that's k I md of frugal about it is Jimmy Carter. HW did, GWB, Clinton and Obama all still get millions in security and office expenses on top of pensions. At least Trump donates his salary.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 19:51:23 are you claiming they all soak secret service for hundreds of thousands in profits? (even though article suggests it's zero) this is not expenses... this is money into Trump pockets and just because he's a 'billionaire' doesn't mean he wouldn't be doing this to get those profits... he has 9 figure debt... his net worth is mostly wrapped up in real estate he nickel and dimes even charities that use his properties
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 21:00:44 " New York (CNN) - Facebook (FB) said Thursday it will remove some ads run by President Donald Trump's re-election campaign that it says ran afoul of its policies to "prevent confusion around the official US census." Facebook had come under fire for allowing the Trump campaign to run ads this week on its platform asking people to "respond now" to an "Official Congressional District Census." "This survey is ESSENTIAL to our team's 2020 campaign strategy. We need Patriotic Americans like YOU to respond to this census, so we can develop a winning strategy for YOUR STATE," some of the ads read. The questions on the survey include asking users about their views of President Trump as well as their age, name, and contact information. The survey also asked what news outlets they read most, and if they "think Nancy Pelosi and the Radical Left are putting their personal anti-Trump agenda ahead of what's best for the American people." " there are mailers like this too... totally disgusting... I'll bet 'census' never in the title of shit like this before deliberately misleading as is the Trump way
Habebe Member	Thu Mar 05 21:29:08 Profits? No, but Obama's trip on a yacht to the French Polynesia isnt cheap as regards to US taxpayers. However, he shouldn't be hindered in living his life, and as an ex potus he requires and deserves such protection.I also support of SS for top figure candidates. All modern.potus cost us a lot of.money, except Jimmy Carter.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 21:37:48 I'm not focused on the cost (although most likely much higher for Trump with his kids going around the globe to promote their fraud towers and kill rare animals), I'm focused on the profits... he goes to his properties nearly every weekend and gouges the fuck out of his secret service protection, when he could charge nothing (or minimally, actual 'at cost'). Plus, stop lying to the public about EVERYTHING, you filth fraud family.
Habebe Member	Thu Mar 05 21:41:53 Even 600k isn't a lot. Then consider that he donates his 400k/year salary back to different parts Of the government.
Habebe Member	Thu Mar 05 21:43:41 If he does "profit" 600k while donating 1.6 million, who cares. Also even at most oit of that 600k he probably sees very little of any.
Habebe Member	Thu Mar 05 21:44:26 I mean, his particular issue just seema like your nitpicking.
Habebe Member	Thu Mar 05 21:47:22 This*
jergul large member	Thu Mar 05 21:58:12 Can you point me to the Congressional authorisation allowing Trump to donate earmarked funds? Or in any way document that Trump has in fact transferred any of his wages to the Federal Treasury. Not to nitpick, but I had huge trouble with that when I donated all of my paychecks the US government.
jergul large member	Thu Mar 05 21:59:20 We know he is lying if he is saying the money is going to xxxx project in other words. Why would you then assume it was going anywhere at all?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 22:03:25 600k isn't the full amount and that's only off secret service as to his 400k salary, if just 2 spies per year have joined Mar-a-lago that more than covers it... I think we can safely assume Israel, Saudi Arabia, China and Russia minimally taking advantage... and why wouldn't they? it's like a pass into the West Wing two days a week... he openly discusses classified info and makes calls just sitting in the public dining room, plus you can get a tour of Air Force One and a photo of yourself with the nuclear football... anyway, what figure would it have to rise to to bother you? I'm sure we'll get fuller grift reports after the Dem convention and the main race begins
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 05 22:24:43 ... and obviously doesn't have to be just the spies, also have lobbyists, diplomats, ass-nuzzling R congressmen, or just any wannabe Trumpian frauds (like the My Pillow guy... he could be up to something...) I'm confident the number has exceeded 8
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 06 13:17:03 so Trump canceled visit to CDC w/ the White House saying it was because he didn't want to get in the way of efforts... then Trump said it was because they thought someone in CDC was infected... now that's been cleared up & he's going again i suspect Trump actually was telling the truth for a change... so if Trump not lying at least the White House will lie, so we can constantly have no faith whatsoever (and of course he'll be back in Mar-a-Lago later to cash in on his entourage)
Habebe Member	Fri Mar 06 13:21:40 Jergul, http://www...ent-trump-salary-donation/amp/
Habebe Member	Fri Mar 06 13:23:42 http://www...r/promise/1341/take-no-salary/
Habebe Member	Fri Mar 06 13:24:35 So while he may claim it goesnto one thing or another. Congress wont allow that and puts it in a general fund.
jergul large member	Fri Mar 06 13:29:06 We do not actually know that it has gone to the general fund. All we know is that it did not go where Trump claimed it went. I call BS until Trump can show us the receipts. Because his word is worth nothing. Like I said, I have the same issues as I always donate my paychecks to the US government too.
Habebe Member	Fri Mar 06 13:34:43 I mean, we dont actually know that Norway doesn't drown babies, I mean I call BS until we have constant video feed of all babies and water sources... i mean how can I trust you, for all I know you drown babies.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 06 14:05:33 let's face it, it would not be shocking if he wasn't donating anything claims by him and White House officials are meaningless as completely proven many times (including today about CDC) and images of checks don't mean they were cashed and he lied about charity donations in the past (although i'm not accusing him of it here)
jergul large member	Fri Mar 06 14:09:35 I am not asking Trump to prove a negative Habebe. He merely needs to show the receipts. But hopefully freedom of information will give us the full details on the eve of the election. Then you can say "how does it matter that he did not donate before. He says he is doing it tomorrow and I trust him".
jergul large member	Fri Mar 06 14:11:08 tw Why would Trump make a donation if simply saying he made a donation achieves the same goal. Anyway, we know his actual claims are fraudulent. He has most certainly not donated to specific causes in the federal government.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 06 14:42:16 i would assume reporters have done some checking but who knows, like i said it would not be hard to believe but as of yet no evidence i know of there's plenty to work with w/ this ridiculously unfit moron child fraud liar w/o going off just speculation
Paramount Member	Fri Mar 06 14:59:58 Trump campaign sues CNN over ‘false and defamatory’ statements, seeks millions in damages http://www...ry-statements-millions-damages I guess people will now sue Trump and Fox News for all the false and defamatory statements that they have made?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 06 15:24:00 "Trump’s legal team is seeking a trial by jury and punitive damages in the “millions of dollars” as a result." may as well sue for anything... get Trump jurors & you win... if you lose, it's just campaign donation money from fools wasted so who cares
Rugian Member	Fri Mar 06 15:29:37 The MSM multi-year campaign to convince the world that there was a Trump-Russia conspiracy misled millions of voters and arguably cost the GOP the House in 2018. Putting such blatant peddlers of misinformation out of business should be a top priority for the campaign.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 06 16:13:31 they aren't suing for that (as the stories were accurate), they are suing for one line of an opinion piece
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 06 16:36:54 while at the CDC learning nothing, campaign-hat-wearing Trump lied that anyone who needs a coronavirus test can get one... and says the tests are all perfect, like the Ukraine transcript... "this was not as perfect as that, but pretty good" have i noted he's mentally-ill child? i guess now the word 'perfect' will always trigger a Ukraine reference, as 'rocket' triggers a North Korea reference
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 06 16:39:02 ...and the color red on maps means Republican... and no sign of joking when he said it...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 06 17:02:05 here's video of ^it if you want to watch the moron surrounded by adults giving 'information' for some reason: http://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1236055907102011393 i'm confident plenty of other dumb & false comments by him there, as usual
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 06 17:52:21 here he is restating the lie, directly after true info given... REDFIELD: We’ve now shipped out… enough to test 75,000 people at the public health labs now. TRUMP: Anybody who wants a test can get a test. http://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1236072301885562880 also in that thread of clips is: TRUMP: "I like this stuff. I really get it… every one of these doctors said, ‘how do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability." and him asking the Fox News reporter about how his ratings were at his town hall last night we are so lucky to have this man leading our nation...
Habebe Member	Fri Mar 06 19:01:58 Trump is also during the NYT and the Washington post. I believe for similar issues.
Habebe Member	Fri Mar 06 19:19:26 From where exactly wouldnypu want thw reciept?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 06 21:03:18 yeah pretty sure it's over single lines in opinion pieces of the other places too... Fox News better hope it fails as making false claims on opinion shows is their whole business model
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 06 21:05:40 "I am pleased to announce that Congressman Mark Meadows will become White House Chief of Staff. I have long known and worked with Mark, and the relationship is a very good one" ~ shit that's one of his four capos (Nunes, Jordan, Meadows, Gaetz)... probably could add some more after all the ass-kissing during impeachment
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 06 21:58:46 some of Trump's trademark empathy http://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1235987985088368640 maybe the kid can get a thumbs up photo w/ smiling Trump & Melanie later like the mass-shooting orphan baby got
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Mar 07 23:18:06 "We have now learned for sure that the Democrats don’t want anything to do with Crazy Bernie. Rigged? First @amyklobuchar & @PeteButtigieg quit the race & come out for Sleepy Joe BEFORE Super Tuesday. Pocahontas says NO & quits race AFTER ELECTION, thereby depriving Bernie of at.. .....least 5 States & the Nomination. Did the DNC & Dems tell Elizabeth Warren to wait? If so, they were deadly, the race would have been over, & Bernie would have won. Dirty double dealing? Nobody knows for sure, & history will be the judge. But I say, here we go AGAIN, Bernie! " ~ asshole nobody knows for sure... and no evidence to support it... and nothing nefarious about it... but why not rampantly speculate to stir up anger?... deliberately causing division w/ lies at every opportunity is what the presidency is all about
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Mar 08 17:25:02 Trump to Skip Annual Bipartisan St. Patrick's Day Luncheon garbage pile's spokesman: “Since the speaker has chosen to tear this nation apart with her actions and her rhetoric, the President will not participate in moments where she so often chooses to drive discord and disunity” yeah, sounds just like her... hmm... who is it that makes every single event a partisan display? can't quite recall
jergul large member	Sun Mar 08 17:29:37 Trump is actually a notorious germaphobe. It will be amusing to see how that plays out. I think this tidbit explains skipping the Luncheon. Will he go full hitler in his bunker? Who knows. We shall see.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Mar 08 23:55:52 while he -is- a germaphobe, i have no doubt it's about Pelosi as the Speaker is the host of event... he is definitely petty enough to refuse to do anything w/ her and if he slows down his rally schedule, i would bet only as worried the crowds wouldn't be as big rather than fear of getting virus himself i'm sure in private he's constantly coating himself in Purell (or its cheapest knock-off if he's paying himself)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 09 12:20:13 "The Obama/Biden Administration is the most corrupt Administration in the history of our Country!" ~ the 'prez' he said that today for some reason that boy ain't right
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 09 13:40:53 Fact check: Donald Trump made 115 false claims in the last two weeks of February <extremely lengthy article> http://www...lse-claims-february/index.html not normal not acceptable
Habebe Member	Mon Mar 09 15:08:55 I wonder what the words spoken/lie would be. I meam je tends to talk more than most presidents.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 09 15:36:57 i can say w/ 100% certainty he is lying WAY more often than any other president (& probably any human)
Habebe Member	Mon Mar 09 16:22:17 Yeah, but when you exclude exaggerations and you do you as a % of his talking what does tgebpicture look like? Probably not so far out there.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 09 16:30:25 it is far out there also exaggerations shouldn't be dismissed or excluded... if he does it sooooo much, how do you ever know when to believe him? also... him talking much more is still bad, even if anyone ever did lie as much as he does (which they didn't), as it means he's spreading more lies per second in two ways he's way more likely to lie than anyone else and speaks more often both bad
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 09 16:32:56 for some stupid reason Trump is going to join briefing today
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 09 17:38:31 Trump says they're planning a payroll tax cut & some socialist handouts for the industries hit by this
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 09 17:52:22 Trump says the economic proposals will be major & very dramatic... & fled the room w/o talking about the coronavirus or taking questions, so i guess they found a way for him to participate w/o headlines of him contradicting the experts... just don't let him talk about it
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 09 22:12:55 here's what Fox is putting out into the world http://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1237167642412187648 summary: 'we need to take politics out of this & stop the hate, you fucking Dems & liberal media w/ your coronavirus impeachment scam that's destroying the markets just to harm Dear Leader Trump' a great effort in taking politics out of it & stopping hate
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Mar 09 22:29:18 now if i may tank the markets & blame Trump more, i'd like to note at the briefing, Pence urged the media to get out some printed info he held up on keeping safe is it on Trump's twitter 5 hrs later? nope (it's on Pence's... as if anyone follows Pence... been there 3 hrs, they could've just done a retweet of Pence, but nope) Trump has multiple tweets a day telling the public his administration is doing a great job, but i think i recall maybe 1 total w/ advice... & probably was a tweet/retweet by his staff
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 10 00:19:46 fantastic, Trump tweeted out that Trish Regan clip above so unifying
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 10 13:13:53 " There is another Russia, Russia, Russia meeting today. It is headed up by corrupt politician Adam “Shifty” Schiff, so I wouldn’t expect too much! @DHS_Wolf " ~ traitor child that's the President mocking that members of congress are receiving a briefing on election security today so... totally normal to crazy people i guess... sane people: your response should be 'wtf?!' calibrate yourself accordingly
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 10 13:21:41 " Wow! @foxandfriends blew away the competition of Morning Joke (which did very poorly) on MSDNC (Another Comcast sleaze production), and @CNN’s New Day, in the Morning Television Ratings. A total blowout, but that’s what you get when you treat “Trump” fairly! " ~ mentally-ill child ratings ratings ratings ratings also... Fox & Friends treats “Trump” "fairly"... yeah
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 10 13:25:25 (full disclosure: someone finally did retweet Pence for him, within last few hours... so 15+ hrs late was after those above tweets & lots of other nonsense... obviously was not a priority of his, & i'm sure he had nothing to do w/ it)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 10 16:37:14 "If you like automobiles, how can you vote for a Democrat who all want to get rid of cars, as quickly as possible, especially if they are powered by gasoline. Remember also, no more than one car per family. I, on the other hand, have new plants being built all over Michigan, Plus!" ~ brain-damaged Individual #1 i guess that'll be dismissed as a joke?... even though no indication of it & there will definitely be cultists who trust it & he definitely doesn't mean it as one
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 10 16:52:35 let's imagine Biden claimed Trump wants to legalize grabbing any women by the pussy, taking charity money for personal use, and hiring undocumented immigrant workers at hotels & golf courses. would Fox have a problem w/ that?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 10 17:22:33 Trump was talking about that TOTAL LIE one-car policy back in March 2019 (if not earlier)... i guess it was so funny, he just kept going with it... surely it's not his typical liar self making up total bullshit & repeating it forever as usual obviously no Fox News viewer could possibly believe it was true & knows he's 'exaggerating' (plus he's been lying about being responsible for factories since he took office... or 'joking')
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 10 18:27:32 One of my favorite was "Obama was the founder of ISIS, he founded ISIS"
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 10 18:35:39 your favorite bullshit?
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 10 20:09:40 I find it absolutely hilarious and think Trump should have it made into an animated tv movie.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 10 21:23:32 if you learned the things you thought were jokes were never meant as jokes, would your view of the mentally-ill fraud child change? " Conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt sparred with Donald Trump on his radio program Thursday morning, pressing the Republican presidential nominee on his claim that President Barack Obama was "the founder of ISIS." "Last night you said the president was the founder of ISIS," Hewitt said. "I know what you meant. You meant that he created the vacuum, he lost the peace." "No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump replied. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton." Hewitt pressed Trump, explaining that Obama has not been "sympathetic" to the terrorist organization, "hates them," and is "trying to kill them." "I don't care," Trump said. "He was the founder. His — the way he got out of Iraq was that — that was the founding of ISIS, OK?" The New York businessman added again that he would characterize Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee, as the "cofounder." He had previously referred to her as the founder of the group. "Let me ask you, do you like that?" Trump asked Hewitt. Hewitt, not amused, replied: "I don't." "I think I would say they created, they lost the peace. They created the Libyan vacuum, they created the vacuum into which ISIS came, but they didn't create ISIS," the radio host said. "That's what I would say." "Well, I disagree," Trump said. The Republican presidential nominee, mirroring Hewitt's argument, contended that Obama's policies allowed ISIS to form. "Therefore, he was the founder of ISIS," Trump said. An exasperated Hewitt responded by saying he'd "just use different language to communicate" the message. " Not. Joking. his typical used-car salesman fraud branding by twisting and simplifying reality (as he can only think in simple concepts... ask yourself why Trump answered "No" to Hugh's initial characterization)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 10 21:27:15 the link to ^that article http://www...witt-obama-founder-isis-2016-8 I don't know if the audio is available of that radio program, but it's obvious he's not doing comedy, I have no doubts
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 10 21:37:04 a joker would say "YES" to any of Hugh's attempts to help Trump and toss in a "I was just kidding" NOT continually disagree with Hugh non-crazy people will notice this
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 10 21:51:40 Honestly it goes like this, I'm getting favorable judges, he isnt taking my guns, rolling back regulations, I like his FP.Regardless of any stunt he pulls, he is accomplishing avorable things. If he entered press meetings on a donkey dressed as Hillary Clinton I would laugh and be content... And let's be honest the above is not out of the realm of plausibility.
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 10 21:59:23 To put it another way, shouldnt give all of that up because he is entertaining amd eccentric? Let me ask you this. If you had a president that passed quality universal healthcare, national gun background checks, minimum wage incrrases, balanced the budget with a tax on banks and loadednthe courts with favorable judges would you care if said potus dressed like Liberace and was a.follower of Zoroastrianism and a flat earth?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 10 22:00:07 are you enjoying the skyrocketing deficit? the constant lies to your face? the undermining of faith in courts, judges, intel agencies, media? (i don't care if you had low faith in any/all before, he's lowering it further -with 100% self-interest lies-) the cozying up to dictators? (he trusts basically all of them w/o question) while insulting traditional allies as they don't pamper/praise him enough any generic Republican would get you the same judges, the same guns, the same desire to cut regulations
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 10 22:05:45 how about on healthcare... seems a top issue for many voters, he promised to repeal/replace... too much to expect for the President to know a single thing about it? just completely empty used-car salesman claims of better/cheaper healthcare & of always protect pre-existing conditions (even though he's actively supporting a court case that would end it) & lies that he saved those provisions he is pathetic garbage
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